Re: [Hornlist] Your opinions please
This one is very interesting...I've pasted an article from the Sunday Detroit News/Free Press on this very type of scam. Take time to read it. I would very politely tell the alleged agent where he can go and what he can do with his bogus cashier's check. When I first saw Julio's 28d on ebay, I thought why is this guy being so picky about his method of payment. It quickly sank in on Sunday morning reading the paper with my cup of coffee, that maybe Julio was really protecting himself from this new type of con artist (seriously, no pun intended). I have sold a horn through Hornplayer, and thankfully, I did not have this kind of problems. The buyer was one of us here on the list, I also bought my Alex from one of our colleagues. http://www.detnews.com/2003/technology/0312/07/a01-343718.htm Walt Lewis Lake St.Clair Symphony Orchestra, (St. Clair Shores, Mi) Grosse Pointe Symphony Orchestra (Grosse Pointe, Mi) Warren Concert Band, (Warren, Mi) Warren Cultural Commission At 10:39 AM 12/8/03 -0500, you wrote: The way the scam works is like this: The guy says he'll have a friend or agent pick up the horn from you (to save expensive international shipping costs) at the same time the friend or agent will present payment to you in the form of a certified check drawn on a USA bank. Sounds OK, right? The weenie is that the scam buyer will tell you he owes some money to the friend or agent who's picking up the horn, so the cashier's check will be for more than the price of your horn. The scam buyer asks you to pay the difference to the friend or agent, in cash. You may feel queazy about that, dealing with strangers all, but you're getting a cashier's check, so reluctantly you go ahead. So you hand over your horn the cash in exchange for the cashier's check. You start feeling better when your bank accepts the cashier's check hands you a cash total covering the price of your horn plus that extra amount you paid to the stranger who picked up your horn. Just when you start to relegate the whole transaction to history, you receive a notice from your bank informing you the cashier's check was bogus thus you owe the bank the total amount of the bogus check. Your horn is gone. The extra cash is gone. The strangers are gone. Plus, there's nothing you can do. I'd say PayPal or cash is the only way to go. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. At 10:19 AM 12/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: I've recently listed my Elkhart 8d on Hornplayer.net. This morning I received this response: Hello, I'm interested in making a purchase of your musical instrument found on the posted ads on www.hornplayer.net .I'm a broker,based in Italy and I have a client interested in your musical instrument, please tell me the final price you want for it and if it's still available.Please let me know if payment by check is ok. Please reply urgent Regards! They havn't even seen a photo. What are your thoughts? Are the cultural differences such that this letter only seems stupid? Or does this broker think that I'm stupid? I'm considering telling them I will only accept paypal. Please let me know what you think! Thanks, Charles __ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/welewis%40myexcel.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.547 / Virus Database: 340 - Release Date: 12/2/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.547 / Virus Database: 340 - Release Date: 12/2/03 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Your opinions please
I've recently listed my Elkhart 8d on Hornplayer.net. This morning I received this response: Hello, I'm interested in making a purchase of your musical instrument found on the posted ads on www.hornplayer.net .I'm a broker,based in Italy and I have a client interested in your musical instrument, please tell me the final price you want for it and if it's still available.Please let me know if payment by check is ok. Please reply urgent Regards! They havn't even seen a photo. What are your thoughts? Are the cultural differences such that this letter only seems stupid? Or does this broker think that I'm stupid? I'm considering telling them I will only accept paypal. Please let me know what you think! Thanks, Charles ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Your opinions please
The way the scam works is like this: The guy says he'll have a friend or agent pick up the horn from you (to save expensive international shipping costs) at the same time the friend or agent will present payment to you in the form of a certified check drawn on a USA bank. Sounds OK, right? The weenie is that the scam buyer will tell you he owes some money to the friend or agent who's picking up the horn, so the cashier's check will be for more than the price of your horn. The scam buyer asks you to pay the difference to the friend or agent, in cash. You may feel queazy about that, dealing with strangers all, but you're getting a cashier's check, so reluctantly you go ahead. So you hand over your horn the cash in exchange for the cashier's check. You start feeling better when your bank accepts the cashier's check hands you a cash total covering the price of your horn plus that extra amount you paid to the stranger who picked up your horn. Just when you start to relegate the whole transaction to history, you receive a notice from your bank informing you the cashier's check was bogus thus you owe the bank the total amount of the bogus check. Your horn is gone. The extra cash is gone. The strangers are gone. Plus, there's nothing you can do. I'd say PayPal or cash is the only way to go. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. At 10:19 AM 12/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: I've recently listed my Elkhart 8d on Hornplayer.net. This morning I received this response: Hello, I'm interested in making a purchase of your musical instrument found on the posted ads on www.hornplayer.net .I'm a broker,based in Italy and I have a client interested in your musical instrument, please tell me the final price you want for it and if it's still available.Please let me know if payment by check is ok. Please reply urgent Regards! They havn't even seen a photo. What are your thoughts? Are the cultural differences such that this letter only seems stupid? Or does this broker think that I'm stupid? I'm considering telling them I will only accept paypal. Please let me know what you think! Thanks, Charles __ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Your opinions please
At 10:19 AM -0500 12/8/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm considering telling them I will only accept paypal. Please let me know what you think! Hi, Charles - Doesn't matter how the guy pays. Just make sure that cleared funds are in you hands before you ship the horn. Carlberg Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO From the US - 011-52-473-731-0179 Cell. from the US - 011-52-473-560-8020 Cel. local - 044-473-560-8020 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Your opinions please
In a message dated 12/8/2003 10:20:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm considering telling them I will only accept paypal. Please let me know what you think! Note, too, that PayPal does not necessarily protect you as a seller in an international transaction. Check out their Seller Protection policy. Perhaps an escrow account would be a good idea. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Your opinions please
There are some strange figures operating out of hotel rooms now in Italy. A lot of them are coming from recently opened up former communist Balkan countries plus Bulgaria Rumania. They do all kind of criminal actions, special internet fraud. We received a TV story about that recently here in Germany, including a strong warning. These people change their operating place frequently. Beware of dealing with them. Real brokers would reveal their identity give you their address. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Cole Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:39 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Your opinions please The way the scam works is like this: The guy says he'll have a friend or agent pick up the horn from you (to save expensive international shipping costs) at the same time the friend or agent will present payment to you in the form of a certified check drawn on a USA bank. Sounds OK, right? The weenie is that the scam buyer will tell you he owes some money to the friend or agent who's picking up the horn, so the cashier's check will be for more than the price of your horn. The scam buyer asks you to pay the difference to the friend or agent, in cash. You may feel queazy about that, dealing with strangers all, but you're getting a cashier's check, so reluctantly you go ahead. So you hand over your horn the cash in exchange for the cashier's check. You start feeling better when your bank accepts the cashier's check hands you a cash total covering the price of your horn plus that extra amount you paid to the stranger who picked up your horn. Just when you start to relegate the whole transaction to history, you receive a notice from your bank informing you the cashier's check was bogus thus you owe the bank the total amount of the bogus check. Your horn is gone. The extra cash is gone. The strangers are gone. Plus, there's nothing you can do. I'd say PayPal or cash is the only way to go. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. At 10:19 AM 12/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: I've recently listed my Elkhart 8d on Hornplayer.net. This morning I received this response: Hello, I'm interested in making a purchase of your musical instrument found on the posted ads on www.hornplayer.net .I'm a broker,based in Italy and I have a client interested in your musical instrument, please tell me the final price you want for it and if it's still available.Please let me know if payment by check is ok. Please reply urgent Regards! They havn't even seen a photo. What are your thoughts? Are the cultural differences such that this letter only seems stupid? Or does this broker think that I'm stupid? I'm considering telling them I will only accept paypal. Please let me know what you think! Thanks, Charles __ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Your opinions please
Hello all, Charles, I do believe that this is another Con (not Conn no pun intended). I too have a horn for sale on Hornplayer.net. Mine is the Walter Mönnig Descant. I received the same email from an Andreea C. [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Do what I've done, block the sender from getting through to your email. It's also important to highlight that Hornplayer.net. has recently had a malicious attempt by a hacker to gain access to members passwords and user ID's via bogus emails. This can be confirmed by Robin Moffatt. He has addressed this problem so the threat is no more. As previously discussed, if someone wants to purchase your horn by cheque only, and offers to get the horn picked up, leave well alone. Regards, Brian (alias Koala Bear) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Your opinions please I've recently listed my Elkhart 8d on Hornplayer.net. This morning I received this response: Hello, I'm interested in making a purchase of your musical instrument found on the posted ads on www.hornplayer.net .I'm a broker,based in Italy and I have a client interested in your musical instrument, please tell me the final price you want for it and if it's still available.Please let me know if payment by check is ok. Please reply urgent Regards! They havn't even seen a photo. What are your thoughts? Are the cultural differences such that this letter only seems stupid? Or does this broker think that I'm stupid? I'm considering telling them I will only accept paypal. Please let me know what you think! Thanks, Charles ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/koalabea%40btinternet.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
