Re: [Hornlist] Konzertstuck descant
His name was Gottfried von Freiberg not Freiburg. Yes I know this recording also & could find out who played that recording. I will listen to it once again & tell you, who played first horn, later, as I can distinguish Velebas tone from Freibergs tone. The Dvorak New Worls with R.Berger is on Video. = > > There is also a Dvorak New World Symphony on video, where R.Berger uses > > a F-high F descant and, as far as I remember a Bruckner 4. But even he > > had problematic times (alcohol), but mastered it later. > > I have just bought a CD reissue of a Decca recording from the early 50's > of > the Dvorak New World. I used to have a copy of this on vinyl as a child > and > enjoyed it very much, hence my recent re-purchase. It is conducted by > Rafael > Kubelik, and would have been recorded during the time of von Freiburg and > Veleba. > > I was interested to hear in the solo after the 2nd time bar in the 1st > movement, the distinctive sound of an F alto horn. There is no doubt, I am > sure, as the solo is quite close miked, and of course the player also used > it in the last movement solo with the high B. > > All the rest of the part seemed to be on normal F horn. > > In my young days, before I played the horn myself, I never noticed this, > of > course. It is a great recording and all the horn playing is first rate, as > one would expect. > > Cheers, > > Graeme Evans > (Principal Horn, Melbourne Symphony Orchestra) > +61 3 9318 0690(H), +61 419 880371(B), +61 3 93180893(Fax) > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/gix3514%40gmx.at > -- H.P. +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More +++ Neu: Preissenkung für MMS und FreeMMS! http://www.gmx.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Konzertstuck descant
The mahler 7 video(vienna, berger, bernstein) is one of the most amazing displays of horn playing I have ever seen... anyone on the list who has not seen it should watch it. Hans Pizka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There is also a Dvorak New World Symphony on video, where R.Berger uses a F-high F descant and, as far as I remember a Bruckner 4. But even he had problematic times (alcohol), but mastered it later. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of c y Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:43 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Konzertstuck descant single hi f descant ...single F pumpen horn same thing :) Hans, I am sure you have the video with Berger playing beethoven 7 on a high F horn though? you know the one I speak of...same vintage as the mahler laser disc set Hans Pizka wrote: The Vienna Phil horn players play Beethoven no.7 on single F Pumpen Horns. They sound rich .believe me. This is THE HORN SOUND, not for all and everything, but for all the classic & romantic stuff. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/nafai23%40yahoo.com - Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Konzertstuck descant
> There is also a Dvorak New World Symphony on video, where R.Berger uses > a F-high F descant and, as far as I remember a Bruckner 4. But even he > had problematic times (alcohol), but mastered it later. I have just bought a CD reissue of a Decca recording from the early 50's of the Dvorak New World. I used to have a copy of this on vinyl as a child and enjoyed it very much, hence my recent re-purchase. It is conducted by Rafael Kubelik, and would have been recorded during the time of von Freiburg and Veleba. I was interested to hear in the solo after the 2nd time bar in the 1st movement, the distinctive sound of an F alto horn. There is no doubt, I am sure, as the solo is quite close miked, and of course the player also used it in the last movement solo with the high B. All the rest of the part seemed to be on normal F horn. In my young days, before I played the horn myself, I never noticed this, of course. It is a great recording and all the horn playing is first rate, as one would expect. Cheers, Graeme Evans (Principal Horn, Melbourne Symphony Orchestra) +61 3 9318 0690(H), +61 419 880371(B), +61 3 93180893(Fax) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Konzertstuck descant
Hello Paul, he was just curious, because R.Berger played an high F descant sometimes (on video), but this is a long time ago. Berger retired from first horn twenty years ago. Merry Christmas Hans > Sorry but I fail to get what this is about. > > Paul Mansur > > > On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 03:42 PM, c y wrote: > > > single hi f descant ...single F pumpen horn > > same thing :) > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/gix3514%40gmx.at > -- H.P. +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More +++ Neu: Preissenkung für MMS und FreeMMS! http://www.gmx.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Konzertstuck descant
There is also a Dvorak New World Symphony on video, where R.Berger uses a F-high F descant and, as far as I remember a Bruckner 4. But even he had problematic times (alcohol), but mastered it later. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of c y Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:43 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Konzertstuck descant single hi f descant ...single F pumpen horn same thing :) Hans, I am sure you have the video with Berger playing beethoven 7 on a high F horn though? you know the one I speak of...same vintage as the mahler laser disc set Hans Pizka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The Vienna Phil horn players play Beethoven no.7 on single F Pumpen Horns. They sound rich .believe me. This is THE HORN SOUND, not for all and everything, but for all the classic & romantic stuff. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Konzertstuck descant
Sorry but I fail to get what this is about. Paul Mansur On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 03:42 PM, c y wrote: single hi f descant ...single F pumpen horn same thing :) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Konzertstuck descant
single hi f descant ...single F pumpen horn same thing :) Hans, I am sure you have the video with Berger playing beethoven 7 on a high F horn though? you know the one I speak of...same vintage as the mahler laser disc set Hans Pizka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The Vienna Phil horn players play Beethoven no.7 on single F Pumpen Horns. They sound rich .believe me. This is THE HORN SOUND, not for all and everything, but for all the classic & romantic stuff. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Konzertstuck descant Now that I think of it, I heard Beethoven 7th done by an orchestra where both players used single hi f descants. I suppose they played very well but the only note you could actually hear was G# where the horn finally got long enough (2-3) to have some ring to it. Otherwise it was mostly swallowed up in the trumpet sound. It made the trumpets sound unusually bright as well since there wasn't the horn sound ringing an octave below them. -Steve Mumford ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/nafai23%40yahoo.com - Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Konzertstuck descant
I have a great recording of Beethoven no. 7 with the Vienna Phil... it's my favorite recording of that symphony without a doubt :) -William In a message dated 12/8/2003 11:55:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The Vienna Phil horn players play Beethoven no.7 on single F Pumpen > Horns. They sound rich .believe me. This is THE HORN SOUND, not > for all and everything, but for all the classic &romantic stuff. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Konzertstuck descant
The Vienna Phil horn players play Beethoven no.7 on single F Pumpen Horns. They sound rich .believe me. This is THE HORN SOUND, not for all and everything, but for all the classic & romantic stuff. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Konzertstuck descant Now that I think of it, I heard Beethoven 7th done by an orchestra where both players used single hi f descants. I suppose they played very well but the only note you could actually hear was G# where the horn finally got long enough (2-3) to have some ring to it. Otherwise it was mostly swallowed up in the trumpet sound. It made the trumpets sound unusually bright as well since there wasn't the horn sound ringing an octave below them. -Steve Mumford ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Konzertstuck descant
If the 1st horn isn't necessarily heard disctinctly, that's not necessarily a bad thing. A good amount of the part writing is done so that the first horn really merely has to float on top of others' sound. In fact, the first horn is the "softest" (I like to think the most blended) part of them all. The Philharmonia recording sounds like it's almost a 1st horn concerto from the way it was mixed and recording, but listen go say the CSO or Peter Damm's recording and the ensemble sound is vastly different. I think that is the more standard way of interpretation. Would you know of a recording where the 1st horn uses a standard double? I'd love to hear it. Chris --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 12/8/03 12:31:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, Hans Pizka > writes: > > > > MY 25-year-old GANTER DOUBLE HORN. A descant Bb/high-F does not help > > much. Just for the high d3 & e3 ? No, if you don't have these notes on > > the Bb-side, better not to try to play this piece. If one plays a lot on > > the F-side, even in op.86, - and it is possible, then the Bb-side (the > > "trigger") will help for the "extremes", but still the tone quality will > > be (nearly) the same - not with the pinching high F descant. > > > >I've heard the Konzertstuck lots of times where the 1st horn used a > descant and the other 3 used regular double horns and my impression has > always been > that you just can't hear the 1st horn very well in those situations. Too > short of a horn, the sound not as rich as the others so it gets swallowed up. > I > like the balance much better if the 1st player also uses a regular double. > By > the way, I did hear a tape of a performance where all 4 players used Bb hi f > descants. That was unusual. > Now that I think of it, I heard Beethoven 7th done by an orchestra where > both players used single hi f descants. I suppose they played very well but > the only note you could actually hear was G# where the horn finally got long > enough (2-3) to have some ring to it. Otherwise it was mostly swallowed up > in > the trumpet sound. It made the trumpets sound unusually bright as well since > > there wasn't the horn sound ringing an octave below them. > -Steve Mumford > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
