RE: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list.
Gary asked: Then what exactly is this mailing list for? From http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn, the section right at the top entitled About Horn: The purpose of the Horn Discussion Group is to provide a forum for electronic conversation about all things relating to the horn's playing technique, repertoire, ensembles, personalities, and so on. Sending a message to the list causes it to be distributed automatically to a subscribing membership of about 900 people worldwide. So questions get lots of answers, and issues get lots of responses. Like hornists themselves, the list is usually full of friendly banter and helpfulness with the occasional curmudgeon. All are welcome. Nota Bene: All popular reading email programs include _filters_. If a particular topic or a particular participant's postings, a particular subject, etc., bothers anyone to the point where they'd rather not read them, create a filter to delete those messages before you ever see them. Steve professional computer geek Freides ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list.
From: Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list. Nota Bene: All popular reading email programs include _filters_. If a particular topic or a particular participant's postings, a particular subject, etc., bothers anyone to the point where they'd rather not read them, create a filter to delete those messages before you ever see them. Based on his original complaint, I don't think he's concerned about seeing helpful messages himself. I think he's concerned about his *students* seeing them, and getting help without paying him for it. At least, that's the way the message came across. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list.
I'm dying to meet the first horn player who learns to play completely online. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Houston Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:43 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list. From: Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list. Nota Bene: All popular reading email programs include _filters_. If a particular topic or a particular participant's postings, a particular subject, etc., bothers anyone to the point where they'd rather not read them, create a filter to delete those messages before you ever see them. Based on his original complaint, I don't think he's concerned about seeing helpful messages himself. I think he's concerned about his *students* seeing them, and getting help without paying him for it. At least, that's the way the message came across. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pandolfi%40deerfield.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list
As a retired teacher, educator, administrator, what have you? There are lots of technical problems in providing any lessons on the internet. All we have are words and there are always major and minor differences in the understanding of words alone. I consider any help that I can provide is apt to be pretty short compared to an in-person lesson with a student here with a horn in hand. I think I can do much more in a real lesson and in less time when I have a student at hand with horn and problems that I can see and hear to work on. I've visited with a few people via email who decided they wanted a real lesson and have driven many miles to get here. I think they all left as satisfied clients. So I have no compunctions about offering what little I can to the list. There's a lot more that just can't be put into words in an email message. Seems to me that most teachers on the list would be in agreement. The written word fails to convey subtlety, nuance, inflection, and inference. CORdially, Mansur's Answers ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list
I can only respond in the current vernacular: LOL! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ray Sonja Crenshaw Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:09 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list I'm dying to meet the first horn player who learns to play completely online Yeah, what a hoot! I learned to play by listening to records, so the next generation of me will probably learn from the Internet. No musical knowledge needed, just a broadband-connected laptop sitting next to him in the orchestra: quick e-mail to Prof Pizka while counting rests in Mahler 1 *** Dearest Professor, Entshuldigen sie, bitte; was ist gemeint Schmettern? (please answer quickly as I've only 12 more bars to count before 'Ich muss speil') Signed, Ihre Dickkopf Student auf der Internet, Unsichtbar Brain Prn. Horn, Opera Of The Air *** ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pandolfi%40deerfield.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list.
I can see why you might find this annoying. You can certainly make the argument that since the professional makes his/her living teaching and performing, then seeking out free advice borders on bad ethics and even stealing in the sense you are depriving the professional of his/her source of income. It seems, at least in the US, there is a great effort to gain all you can for free or as close to free as possible. On the other hand, many professionals and other in the know do willingly offer the advice of their own free choice. Also, I would like to offer a defense of those who seek this advice. Even if you have a horn teacher or professor who is your primary interface for studying the horn, it is often quite useful to get a second opinion on a solution for your problem or quest for a better way because someone else may have a new idea or a different explanation that is just the answer you need to get you over your hurdle. That is what happened to me at A.I.R. Horns last weekend. I've had a problem in the low register which I have never been able to solve in a satisfying way despite years of horn lessons. When I demonstrated the problem to Charles Putnam of the American Horn Quartet, he offered a simple solution that fixed the problem completely. Why no one else, including myself, hadn't thought of it before, I can't explain, but there you go. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of matthew scheffelman Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:40 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list. While ADVICE can be provided to students and professionals of the horn on this list, it seems a member or two seem to ask questions that teachers make their living answering. It is fine to assume that you are teaching yourself, but it is quite annoying, from my perspective, to see question after question after question that normally one would ask a horn professor. Matthew Scheffelman Horn __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list.
Matthew, you dare something Are you trying to kill yourself ? Take on your flame proof suit. Be prepared for many unqualified preoccupied bashings. Hallelujah ! (comment: Matt, you are on the right side !) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of matthew scheffelman Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:40 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list. While ADVICE can be provided to students and professionals of the horn on this list, it seems a member or two seem to ask questions that teachers make their living answering. It is fine to assume that you are teaching yourself, but it is quite annoying, from my perspective, to see question after question after question that normally one would ask a horn professor. Matthew Scheffelman Horn __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list.
Matthew, That's why your keyboard has a delete buttonSome of us feel that we are here to assist those whom maybe are many miles or kilometers away from a competent teacher and want to ask for knowledge. Horn playing IS more than just making money with the damned thing Walt Lewis, Very proud horn teacher and not afraid to offer assistance when asked. At 10:40 AM 1/18/2005 -0800, you wrote: While ADVICE can be provided to students and professionals of the horn on this list, it seems a member or two seem to ask questions that teachers make their living answering. It is fine to assume that you are teaching yourself, but it is quite annoying, from my perspective, to see question after question after question that normally one would ask a horn professor. Matthew Scheffelman Horn __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wlewis9637%40wowway.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list.
Sorry for the bad grammar, but I got just a bit hot under the collar... I still stand by what I wrote Walt Lewis At 03:49 PM 1/18/2005 -0500, you wrote: Matthew, That's why your keyboard has a delete buttonSome of us feel that we are here to assist those whom maybe are many miles or kilometers away from a competent teacher and want to ask for knowledge. Horn playing IS more than just making money with the damned thing Walt Lewis, Very proud horn teacher and not afraid to offer assistance when asked. At 10:40 AM 1/18/2005 -0800, you wrote: While ADVICE can be provided to students and professionals of the horn on this list, it seems a member or two seem to ask questions that teachers make their living answering. It is fine to assume that you are teaching yourself, but it is quite annoying, from my perspective, to see question after question after question that normally one would ask a horn professor. Matthew Scheffelman Horn __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wlewis9637%40wowway.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wlewis9637%40wowway.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list.
Matt, Point well made, but then what about the individual who is playing the horn where there is no teacher of the horn available ? Back in the 1960's when I was growing up I lived in a small town in Arizona and the closest horn teacher was 185 miles away in Phoenix and the next closest was 300 miles away in Tucson. There was the Farkas book on the art of horn playing and some helpful teachers who had studied horn in brass methods class in college and that was it. Oh to have had the internet back then and this and the other list. Perhaps the situation has changed today and horn teachers proliferate everywhere, but I don't think that is the case. Again as someone else suggested, we have delete buttons to seperate the wheat from the chaff. With best wishes, Mark L. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list.
Hi, Then what exactly is this mailing list for? Gary --- matthew scheffelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While ADVICE can be provided to students and professionals of the horn on this list, it seems a member or two seem to ask questions that teachers make their living answering. It is fine to assume that you are teaching yourself, but it is quite annoying, from my perspective, to see question after question after question that normally one would ask a horn professor. Matthew Scheffelman Horn __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/beowulf_36%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list.
Not for a permanent teaching from scratch. But to answer individual questions to solve problems. Yes, to exchange views informations. Yes, to entertain each other. Yes, to have fun. Yes, to do some brain gymnastics. No, to be a substitute for paid lessons. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:10 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Lessons being taught on the Memphis list. Hi, Then what exactly is this mailing list for? Gary --- matthew scheffelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While ADVICE can be provided to students and professionals of the horn on this list, it seems a member or two seem to ask questions that teachers make their living answering. It is fine to assume that you are teaching yourself, but it is quite annoying, from my perspective, to see question after question after question that normally one would ask a horn professor. Matthew Scheffelman Horn __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/beowulf_36%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
