Re: [Hornlist] Pichl Fuchs
David- The quartet by Pichl sounds like its from the series of music publications called Musica Antiqua Bohemica.?? It would be hard to find new, but its probably sitting in a college library somewhere. Pete Kansas City -Original Message- From: David Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]if To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 8:50 pm Subject: [Hornlist] Pichl Fuchs Two questions:? ? 1)? Anyone here know of sheet music for a quartet by Vaclav (Wenzel, Wenceslas) Pichl, for clarinet, oboe, horn, bassoon? I have it on a Czech recording: Quartets for various instruments, by the Kocian Quartet, on a CD that contains other quartets by G.F. Fuchs, J. Vent, and J Fiala. Can't find the music anywhere in cyberspace, including the free sources, such as the Royal Danish library.? ? 2)? Georg Friederich Fuchs (1752-1821), known on this list as the composer of a set of clever duets for horn and clarinet that have been passed around digitally, is also the composer of a set of quartets for 2 horns and 2 clarinets. It is listed in the Biblioteque Nationale de France online catalog: http://www.bnf.fr/ and it looks like it ought to be digitized and available for downloading, but perhaps not - I can't see how to do it. Help?? ? David Goldberg? ? ___? post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pmjilka%40aol.com? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pichl Fuchs
I resolved part of the mystery of Vaclav Wenzel Wenceslas Pichl yesterday after a long search in cyberspace. I'll detail my journey, as there may be useful information here. The liner notes in my Kocian Quartet CD say that the name on the Pichl quartet manuscript is not written clearly; that it could be the work of a German-born composer named Lickl, of which there were several. Then I surfed the internet for both, and I eventually stumbled on http://www.worldcat.org/ , which allows anyone to simultaneously search many libraries around the world - amazing. While there, I found a wind quartet by Johann Georg Lickl, named Cassazione. That is the name of the 1st movement on my Kocian CD. To make sure that this is the Pichl quartet, I visited Amazon.com, searched for Lickl and came up with a CD that contains what looked like the same thing. Amazon allows you to listen to sound samples - that confirmed it. Short story, the Wenzel Pichl wind quartet was composed by Johann Georg Lickl. Back to worldcat.org - this site will list all of the libraries that have the piece in their catalog. In this case, there are many. But a possible complicating factor is that there might be further confusion - between the Lickl-Pichl Cassazione, and one by Mozart for the same 4 winds. Mozart's name appears through the worldcat.org library hits, and in one case at least, appears the word forgery. So it ain't over yet. I don't remember the Mozart Cassazione. Amazon seems to be down just now(!) so I can't get a sound sample of the Mozart to compare with Lickl-Pichl. On a side note, I stumbled on another interesting website with lots of links: http://www.music.ucsb.edu/projects/csms/ , the Czech and Slovak Music Society. David Goldberg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pichl Fuchs
David, The Mozart/Lickl/Pichl Cassazione are all the same work. Some modern publishers list the work as being attributed to Mozart in the hopes of increasing sales. -Marc Cerri www.mjcerri.com -Original Message- From: David Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 2:13 pm Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Pichl Fuchs I resolved part of the mystery of Vaclav Wenzel Wenceslas Pichl yesterday after a long search in cyberspace. I'll detail my journey, as there may be useful information here. The liner notes in my Kocian Quartet CD say that the name on the Pichl quartet manuscript is not written clearly; that it could be the work of a German-born composer named Lickl, of which there were several. Then I surfed the internet for both, and I eventually stumbled on http://www.worldcat.org/ , which allows anyone to simultaneously search many libraries around the world - amazing. While there, I found a wind quartet by Johann Georg Lickl, named Cassazione. That is the name of the 1st movement on my Kocian CD. To make sure that this is the Pichl quartet, I visited Amazon.com, searched for Lickl and came up with a CD that contains what looked like the same thing. Amazon allows you to listen to sound samples - that confirmed it. Short story, the Wenzel Pichl wind quartet was composed by Johann Georg Lickl. Back to worldcat.org - this site will list all of the libraries that have the piece in their catalog. In this case, there are many. But a possible complicating factor is that there might be further confusion - between the Lickl-Pichl Cassazione, and one by Mozart for the same 4 winds. Mozart's name appears through the worldcat.org library hits, and in one case at least, appears the word forgery. So it ain't over yet. I don't remember the Mozart Cassazione. Amazon seems to be down just now(!) so I can't get a sound sample of the Mozart to compare with Lickl-Pichl. On a side note, I stumbled on another interesting website with lots of links: http://www.music.ucsb.edu/projects/csms/ , the Czech and Slovak Music Society. David Goldberg ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/marcer97%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pichl Fuchs
David, This is beautiful! Great work, thanks so much and Marc thank you as well Best Chris David Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/06/08 2:13 PM I resolved part of the mystery of Vaclav Wenzel Wenceslas Pichl yesterday after a long search in cyberspace. I'll detail my journey, as there may be useful information here. The liner notes in my Kocian Quartet CD say that the name on the Pichl quartet manuscript is not written clearly; that it could be the work of a German-born composer named Lickl, of which there were several. Then I surfed the internet for both, and I eventually stumbled on http://www.worldcat.org/ , which allows anyone to simultaneously search many libraries around the world - amazing. While there, I found a wind quartet by Johann Georg Lickl, named Cassazione. That is the name of the 1st movement on my Kocian CD. To make sure that this is the Pichl quartet, I visited Amazon.com, searched for Lickl and came up with a CD that contains what looked like the same thing. Amazon allows you to listen to sound samples - that confirmed it. Short story, the Wenzel Pichl wind quartet was composed by Johann Georg Lickl. Back to worldcat.org - this site will list all of the libraries that have the piece in their catalog. In this case, there are many. But a possible complicating factor is that there might be further confusion - between the Lickl-Pichl Cassazione, and one by Mozart for the same 4 winds. Mozart's name appears through the worldcat.org library hits, and in one case at least, appears the word forgery. So it ain't over yet. I don't remember the Mozart Cassazione. Amazon seems to be down just now(!) so I can't get a sound sample of the Mozart to compare with Lickl-Pichl. On a side note, I stumbled on another interesting website with lots of links: http://www.music.ucsb.edu/projects/csms/ , the Czech and Slovak Music Society. David Goldberg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cwilhjelm%40pascack.k12.nj.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Pichl Fuchs
Interesting, there is also another Lickl, Franz Lickl, who arranged Mozarts K407 Quintet for 2 clar, 2 hrs, 2 bns, where the original solo horn parts is split into two horns while the clarinets bassoons take over the string parts. This arrangement is available in new Finale setting. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Goldberg Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:14 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Pichl Fuchs I resolved part of the mystery of Vaclav Wenzel Wenceslas Pichl yesterday after a long search in cyberspace. I'll detail my journey, as there may be useful information here. The liner notes in my Kocian Quartet CD say that the name on the Pichl quartet manuscript is not written clearly; that it could be the work of a German-born composer named Lickl, of which there were several. Then I surfed the internet for both, and I eventually stumbled on http://www.worldcat.org/ , which allows anyone to simultaneously search many libraries around the world - amazing. While there, I found a wind quartet by Johann Georg Lickl, named Cassazione. That is the name of the 1st movement on my Kocian CD. To make sure that this is the Pichl quartet, I visited Amazon.com, searched for Lickl and came up with a CD that contains what looked like the same thing. Amazon allows you to listen to sound samples - that confirmed it. Short story, the Wenzel Pichl wind quartet was composed by Johann Georg Lickl. Back to worldcat.org - this site will list all of the libraries that have the piece in their catalog. In this case, there are many. But a possible complicating factor is that there might be further confusion - between the Lickl-Pichl Cassazione, and one by Mozart for the same 4 winds. Mozart's name appears through the worldcat.org library hits, and in one case at least, appears the word forgery. So it ain't over yet. I don't remember the Mozart Cassazione. Amazon seems to be down just now(!) so I can't get a sound sample of the Mozart to compare with Lickl-Pichl. On a side note, I stumbled on another interesting website with lots of links: http://www.music.ucsb.edu/projects/csms/ , the Czech and Slovak Music Society. David Goldberg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Pichl Fuchs- answer 2
Wenzel - Wentzel - Waceslav - Waceslas - Vaclav = all the same name. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Goldberg Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:14 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Pichl Fuchs I resolved part of the mystery of Vaclav Wenzel Wenceslas Pichl yesterday after a long search in cyberspace. I'll detail my journey, as there may be useful information here. The liner notes in my Kocian Quartet CD say that the name on the Pichl quartet manuscript is not written clearly; that it could be the work of a German-born composer named Lickl, of which there were several. Then I surfed the internet for both, and I eventually stumbled on http://www.worldcat.org/ , which allows anyone to simultaneously search many libraries around the world - amazing. While there, I found a wind quartet by Johann Georg Lickl, named Cassazione. That is the name of the 1st movement on my Kocian CD. To make sure that this is the Pichl quartet, I visited Amazon.com, searched for Lickl and came up with a CD that contains what looked like the same thing. Amazon allows you to listen to sound samples - that confirmed it. Short story, the Wenzel Pichl wind quartet was composed by Johann Georg Lickl. Back to worldcat.org - this site will list all of the libraries that have the piece in their catalog. In this case, there are many. But a possible complicating factor is that there might be further confusion - between the Lickl-Pichl Cassazione, and one by Mozart for the same 4 winds. Mozart's name appears through the worldcat.org library hits, and in one case at least, appears the word forgery. So it ain't over yet. I don't remember the Mozart Cassazione. Amazon seems to be down just now(!) so I can't get a sound sample of the Mozart to compare with Lickl-Pichl. On a side note, I stumbled on another interesting website with lots of links: http://www.music.ucsb.edu/projects/csms/ , the Czech and Slovak Music Society. David Goldberg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pichl Fuchs
The digitized national library can be accessed here: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ (recherche = search) A search on the Fuchs quartets unfortunately turns up empty. The digitization is still a work in progress, so maybe in a few years it'll be there? In the meanwhile, if you're interested in French baroque music there's already a wealth of old scores to be found. Michiel van der Linden, Bruges, Belgium 2008/6/4 David Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: .. 2) Georg Friederich Fuchs is also the composer of a set of quartets for 2 horns and 2 clarinets. It is listed in the Biblioteque Nationale de France online catalog: http://www.bnf.fr/ and it looks like it ought to be digitized and available for downloading, but perhaps not - I can't see how to do it. Help? David Goldberg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/corbasse%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Pichl Fuchs
Hello David, the Fuchs Duets are published by myself after revising them, so be protected by copyright (for the revision). Will ask my source about the Pichl quartet. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Goldberg Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:51 AM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Pichl Fuchs Two questions: 1) Anyone here know of sheet music for a quartet by Vaclav (Wenzel, Wenceslas) Pichl, for clarinet, oboe, horn, bassoon? I have it on a Czech recording: Quartets for various instruments, by the Kocian Quartet, on a CD that contains other quartets by G.F. Fuchs, J. Vent, and J Fiala. Can't find the music anywhere in cyberspace, including the free sources, such as the Royal Danish library. 2) Georg Friederich Fuchs (1752-1821), known on this list as the composer of a set of clever duets for horn and clarinet that have been passed around digitally, is also the composer of a set of quartets for 2 horns and 2 clarinets. It is listed in the Biblioteque Nationale de France online catalog: http://www.bnf.fr/ and it looks like it ought to be digitized and available for downloading, but perhaps not - I can't see how to do it. Help? David Goldberg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
