RE: [Hornlist] recital repertoire
Col. Arnald Gabriel not only conducts concerts without scores, but also rehearses without them, knowing everyone's parts well enough to be able to do so. This is not just for old standard repertoire pieces he's been conducting for 50 years, but also for new pieces. As he demonstrated at a rehearsal with our band one day, he loves telling stories. He was conducting a concert in a small town in Italy. After the concert, a little old lady came up to him and told him that he was a pretty good conductor, but that he could be better if he learned how to read music. Whether he does this to free his attention from the printed page thus enabling him to better connect with the band, or because it's part of his shtick I neither know nor care. As Hans said, what matters most is the result. John Baumgart -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hans Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 12:48 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] recital repertoire Hello Rebecca, world famous Wagner conductor late Hans Knappertsbusch had been asked why he were using the score when conducting while many other conductors did not use it. He responded: I CAN READ MUSIC. Off course, he & many other famous conductors could do all their pieces without the score, but they had the score there for security. I know all my solo pieces & most demanding operas by heart, but never played any piece (except Long Call) from memory during nearly full 50 years playing professionally as principal in top level orchestras or as soloist or recitalist, but I practised most solo pieces without the music when freshing up pieces, as soon as they were studied very well. Inform the relevant decision makers, that the heard RESULT would count & not the music sheet if used or not. Prof.Hans Pizka ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] recital repertoire
Margaret Dikel comments, as usual, sagely: > Giving departments an ultimatum never works. When you back them into a corner they usually come out fighting, and between you, me, and the door, you will not win. Put more generally, never, ever attempt a political power play against those who hold all the high cards. You'll always lose, if not the battle, then certainly the war. Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] recital repertoire
Margaret, why did you say "the Strauss will not be easy" ??? It is easy to remember & it is a quite easy piece with no special difficulties except the final very very relaxed written long held piano-pianissimo ab-g-ab-g - ab-g-ab-g - ab - ab -. Well, it is a bit tiring & full of romantic emotion. Otherwise you had good arguments how to deal with the recital requirements. Well, one thing comes to mind, when reading such requirements set up by a school, not by a high grade academy. They seem to frustrate a lot of young talents, so no wonder these fail at real auditions as young professionals. I give the gauntlet to the teachers, as they cowardly cannot or will not oppose such stupid & useless regulations set up by ignorant failed province soloists, who did not make it into the professional orchestra world & worse the administrators. Third, ask why you are being required so much memorization. You already have 2 pieces, the Strauss will not be easy, so why do they insist on Hindemith? Ask for an explanation. Might be they are looking at length of piece vs number of pieces. Carry a copy of the Hindemith with you so it can be reviewed by all. Do not go into this meeting alone. Again, where is your teacher and why is he/she not speaking on your behalf. Fourth, accept the final decision and move on. No one ever said you will get everything you want in life. You will graduate, you will get past this, and you will vow to never make your own students go through it. Step up to the challenge. If there is a problem, you will not be the first person who has had a memory slip mid-way through a piece, and you will certainly not be the most famous performer who has ever done this. Learn to handle adversity in a concert with grace and aplomb, a much harder experience to overcome. Margaret (okay, credentials. BM/Peformance, Boston Conservatory. Worked there for 6 years, then at MIT for 3, then at Worcester Polytechnic Institute for 4 before becoming an independent consultant. Yes, I still play, but I am not gigging. Just playing.) Margaret F. Dikel Horn / Librarian / Webmaster JCC Symphony Orchestra 11218 Ashley Drive Rockville MD 20852 301-881-0122 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jccso.org ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] recital repertoire
At 02:33 PM 2/3/2007 -0800, you wrote: Sorry for the double post. I am in desperate need of information. I have proposed a recital program to my department for my senior recital, which is about a year from now. They are starting to make a requirement that our recitals must be memorized, and so I have to petition to not memorize something. Here is the proposed program: sacred piece (less than 5 minutes, memorized) Mozart horn quintet (15-20 minutes, no repeats except in last movement, not memorized) Franz Strauss nocturne (5-6 minutes, memorized) Hindemith horn sonata (15-20 minutes, not memorized) The area where the friction lies is the Hindemith. My teacher does not want me to memorize it, but 2 of the 3 people making the decision want me to. One of the professors (who is not a horn player) claimed that the Hindemith is easy to memorize, and is not a hard piece. I have already informed the department that I won't play it unless I don't have to memorize it. I am also only a music education major, not a performance major. So my questions are as follows: Is this a legitimate college-level (music education) program? Should I be required to memorize this piece? Does anyone have any suggestions for a 20th century piece that would be easy to memorize? If the people responding to this can also supply their credentials in their responses, that would be helpful. Thanks. As a former college student, college administrator, and someone who has performed recitals, let me offer my opinion and some suggestions: First, what are the requirements for your recital as spelled out in the college's course catalog in effect the year you began your program of study? Seems to me the requirements, including memorization of pieces, should be spelled out there. (If you didn't know, the course catalog in effect the year you began your program of study is essentially a contract stating your requirements for completing your program, and any later changes to these requirements cannot be enforced upon you. Check with the college's Registrar for the statement of your required credits plus check the college library for a copy of that catalog.) I remember from my undergrad days that the MusEd majors were required to perform one piece from memory, while the Performance majors were not. However, we did 2 recitals to their 1. Second, why are *you* arguing with the committee when your teacher is "releasing" you from this requirement? Why isn't he/she speaking to them on your behalf and why isn't he/she being given the final say in your required program? Talk to your teacher, then talk to the department head one-on-one. Giving departments an ultimatum never works. When you back them into a corner they usually come out fighting, and between you, me, and the door, you will not win. Ask for help, don't go in demanding. Third, ask why you are being required so much memorization. You already have 2 pieces, the Strauss will not be easy, so why do they insist on Hindemith? Ask for an explanation. Might be they are looking at length of piece vs number of pieces. Carry a copy of the Hindemith with you so it can be reviewed by all. Do not go into this meeting alone. Again, where is your teacher and why is he/she not speaking on your behalf. Fourth, accept the final decision and move on. No one ever said you will get everything you want in life. You will graduate, you will get past this, and you will vow to never make your own students go through it. Step up to the challenge. If there is a problem, you will not be the first person who has had a memory slip mid-way through a piece, and you will certainly not be the most famous performer who has ever done this. Learn to handle adversity in a concert with grace and aplomb, a much harder experience to overcome. Margaret (okay, credentials. BM/Peformance, Boston Conservatory. Worked there for 6 years, then at MIT for 3, then at Worcester Polytechnic Institute for 4 before becoming an independent consultant. Yes, I still play, but I am not gigging. Just playing.) Margaret F. Dikel Horn / Librarian / Webmaster JCC Symphony Orchestra 11218 Ashley Drive Rockville MD 20852 301-881-0122 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jccso.org ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] recital repertoire
Hello Rebecca, world famous Wagner conductor late Hans Knappertsbusch had been asked why he were using the score when conducting while many other conductors did not use it. He responded: I CAN READ MUSIC. Off course, he & many other famous conductors could do all their pieces without the score, but they had the score there for security. I know all my solo pieces & most demanding operas by heart, but never played any piece (except Long Call) from memory during nearly full 50 years playing professionally as principal in top level orchestras or as soloist or recitalist, but I practised most solo pieces without the music when freshing up pieces, as soon as they were studied very well. Inform the relevant decision makers, that the heard RESULT would count & not the music sheet if used or not. Prof.Hans Pizka -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rebecca ferris Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:33 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu; yahoo hornlist Subject: [Hornlist] recital repertoire Sorry for the double post. I am in desperate need of information. I have proposed a recital program to my department for my senior recital, which is about a year from now. They are starting to make a requirement that our recitals must be memorized, and so I have to petition to not memorize something. Here is the proposed program: sacred piece (less than 5 minutes, memorized) Mozart horn quintet (15-20 minutes, no repeats except in last movement, not memorized) Franz Strauss nocturne (5-6 minutes, memorized) Hindemith horn sonata (15-20 minutes, not memorized) The area where the friction lies is the Hindemith. My teacher does not want me to memorize it, but 2 of the 3 people making the decision want me to. One of the professors (who is not a horn player) claimed that the Hindemith is easy to memorize, and is not a hard piece. I have already informed the department that I won't play it unless I don't have to memorize it. I am also only a music education major, not a performance major. So my questions are as follows: Is this a legitimate college-level (music education) program? Should I be required to memorize this piece? Does anyone have any suggestions for a 20th century piece that would be easy to memorize? If the people responding to this can also supply their credentials in their responses, that would be helpful. Thanks. -Rebecca - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] recital repertoire
In a message dated 2/3/2007 5:34:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So my questions are as follows: Is this a legitimate college-level (music education) program? << Yes. IMO, it's more than enough. >> Should I be required to memorize this piece? << No >> Does anyone have any suggestions for a 20th century piece that would be easy to memorize? << Not really. I think it is ridiculous that you have to memorize anything at all. Ask that so-called professor that if he/she is so smart, then why ain't they rich?" >> Good luck, Rebecca. Kendall Betts _www.horncamp.org_ (http://www.horncamp.org) _www.lawsonhorns.com_ (http://www.lawsonhorns.com) Rebecca's full inquiry: << Sorry for the double post. I am in desperate need of information. I have proposed a recital program to my department for my senior recital, which is about a year from now. They are starting to make a requirement that our recitals must be memorized, and so I have to petition to not memorize something. Here is the proposed program: sacred piece (less than 5 minutes, memorized) Mozart horn quintet (15-20 minutes, no repeats except in last movement, not memorized) Franz Strauss nocturne (5-6 minutes, memorized) Hindemith horn sonata (15-20 minutes, not memorized) The area where the friction lies is the Hindemith. My teacher does not want me to memorize it, but 2 of the 3 people making the decision want me to. One of the professors (who is not a horn player) claimed that the Hindemith is easy to memorize, and is not a hard piece. I have already informed the department that I won't play it unless I don't have to memorize it. I am also only a music education major, not a performance major. So my questions are as follows: Is this a legitimate college-level (music education) program? Should I be required to memorize this piece? Does anyone have any suggestions for a 20th century piece that would be easy to memorize? If the people responding to this can also supply their credentials in their responses, that would be helpful. Thanks. -Rebecca >> ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
