RE: [Hornlist] Re: talent
Why do some very young kid (before school age) start to teach themselves in understanding numbers & basic math & (or) reading to the big SURPRISE of their parents This is not because of practice, practice & practice. We all have to live with the fact, that some people are born with better abilities than average. But, - I say this again - , they have to cultivate their abilities. e.g. some people (like myself) can stop playing for four weeks completely, but be back in full shape (except full endurance, off course) by a careful warm up of ten minutes. But these people have other things to practice like everybody else. But for the gifted, it is not like for the NOT gifted or talented, who have to "hammer-in" nearly everything by repeating & repeating & repeating it. Result: often those, who had hammered-in everything at best, become lost hopelessly, as soon as things change suddenly e.g. lost or forgotten mouthpiece be replaced, horn damaged by accident & have to play on another horn, music being replaced by a new edition with different lay-out, new conductor using different tempi, have to transpose a piece without a notice before, etc. The gifted is not occupied with fingering & (or) where to target a certain note & such can concentrate himself or herself on the interpretation better. The gifted or talented is not permanently occupied with targeting the pitches and can so concentrate himself or herself better on security. The list is endless. I hope, that the crowd understands this now, but I am sure, it will not accept it due to all these old arguments (immense drive & practice hard enough). We hear all these arguments by unsuccessful audition candidates plenty. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 7:19 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: talent Where was this study made ? Surely not in Europe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Cole Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:09 PM To: Christopher Earnest; The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: talent I can't give the citation (because I wasn't paying enough attention to write down the source of the information), but I recall reading over the past year or so that an academic study of virtuoso instrumental musicians & how they got that way discovered that their main defining characteristic -- more than innate ability, more than aptitude, more than raw talent however defined -- is an intense drive that compels them to practice, practice, practice. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. At 01:53 PM 11/19/2004, you wrote: >Scott wrote: >__ >If your definition of talent is that it is some sort of god-, >genetic- or race-given ability, then I resent the implications. > >If your definition of talent is 'ability derived from drive, >education, inspiration, experience, guts, risk-taking, love, spirit >and some measure of human normalness' then I might be inclined to >agree with you. >__ > > >But of course one needs both. > >Genes do mean something -- for example, they're why we aren't trees. > >But good genes without Kopprasch don't get one very far. > >BTW, what do you mean by "normal"? Sounds like it doesn't apply to horn >players, at any rate. > > >Chris Earnest ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: talent
Where was this study made ? Surely not in Europe. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Cole Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:09 PM To: Christopher Earnest; The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: talent I can't give the citation (because I wasn't paying enough attention to write down the source of the information), but I recall reading over the past year or so that an academic study of virtuoso instrumental musicians & how they got that way discovered that their main defining characteristic -- more than innate ability, more than aptitude, more than raw talent however defined -- is an intense drive that compels them to practice, practice, practice. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. At 01:53 PM 11/19/2004, you wrote: >Scott wrote: >__ >If your definition of talent is that it is some sort of god-, >genetic- or race-given ability, then I resent the implications. > >If your definition of talent is 'ability derived from drive, >education, inspiration, experience, guts, risk-taking, love, spirit >and some measure of human normalness' then I might be inclined to >agree with you. >__ > > >But of course one needs both. > >Genes do mean something -- for example, they're why we aren't trees. > >But good genes without Kopprasch don't get one very far. > >BTW, what do you mean by "normal"? Sounds like it doesn't apply to horn >players, at any rate. > > >Chris Earnest ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: talent
There are no real race differences, only cultural differences. However, abilities can be enhanced by selective breeding, as human history has demonstrated. There are certain cultures who place musical ability on a high enough level that genetic enhancement is inevitable. That may increase the percentage of a given population that has ability and talent, and increase the size of the bell shaped curve, but it is still the rare individual who is included in the high sigma group. I have had the good fortune to associate with many of these exceptional people. In general, their talent and ability are so natural to them that they just radiate joy and love of music, and use that to enhance the musical experience of those around them. They may appear gruff or have some annoying behaviors, but we instinctively treat them with a kind of reverence that makes them the high priests of our universal world of music. Individual behavior traits must never be equated to the whole essence of personality. With that criteria applied, we all fail. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: talent
I can't give the citation (because I wasn't paying enough attention to write down the source of the information), but I recall reading over the past year or so that an academic study of virtuoso instrumental musicians & how they got that way discovered that their main defining characteristic -- more than innate ability, more than aptitude, more than raw talent however defined -- is an intense drive that compels them to practice, practice, practice. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. At 01:53 PM 11/19/2004, you wrote: Scott wrote: __ If your definition of talent is that it is some sort of god-, genetic- or race-given ability, then I resent the implications. If your definition of talent is 'ability derived from drive, education, inspiration, experience, guts, risk-taking, love, spirit and some measure of human normalness' then I might be inclined to agree with you. __ But of course one needs both. Genes do mean something -- for example, they're why we aren't trees. But good genes without Kopprasch don't get one very far. BTW, what do you mean by "normal"? Sounds like it doesn't apply to horn players, at any rate. Chris Earnest ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org