Re: [HOT] And the mapping has started in Bangladesh!
Thanks Jorieke and Pete for all your hard work in today's training session. Happy to be part of this Missing Map and HOT initiative. The volunteers from OSM Bangladesh Community who got training today are also motivated. Some more volunteers are also willing to join with us, I will bring them in monday. I would like to thank to them who are volunteering remotely in this project in Bangladesh. I believe that jointly with the global communities our Bangladesh community will map the whole country in near future. You can see some photos of today's training I have uploaded in OpenStreetMaps Bangladesh fb group: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.824086224316790type=1 Ahasan . Ahasanul Hoque *Contact: *hoque.aha...@gmail.com; ahasan...@yahoo.com ahasan...@gmail.com | Web: *ahasanulhoque.com* http://ahasanulhoque.com/ *Skype: *ahasan4u | *Linkedin: **http://tinyurl.com/njg3xsp http://tinyurl.com/njg3xsp * Please, Consider the Environment before Printing this Mail !!! On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Jorieke Vyncke jorieke.vyn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi HOT! A message out of Bangladesh, Pete and I are just back at the hotel after a very good first real mapping day! In the morning we did a presentation followed by a lot of explanations and after a little Field Paper exercise around Eastern University in the Dhanmundi area. In the afternoon, we talked about humanitarian mapping and went to Hazaribagh to really start mapping! So yes, this is really getting on! At this moment we are checking the already mapped data on OSM and will we create soon our Field Papers for tomorrow. Then installing the everyday updated osm file on OsmAnd on the 8 smartphones we have here (thank you Blake, Ben, Pierre, Michael, Claire! Btw. if you want to join this club behind the scenes, please ping me!) and put a grid of the FieldPapers as overlay on OsmAnd so we exactly can check where we are on the Fieldpaper during the mapping. So yes we are using what you mapped! It is even a major help to have stuff on the map! So it would be great if you could map a little more for us… The* most important* now is to have *a rough validation* of http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/833#task/51 to really kick out the biggest mess. Pleas start doing this in the North Eastern part, because this is the place we are going to map on Monday. Please keep also contributing to this task http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/838 ! And the other too, but that one is *less a priority * http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/831 By the way, Pete just put some pictures of today on twitter J https://twitter.com/pedrito1414/status/556477213453742080 https://twitter.com/pedrito1414/status/55647734402048 Our best greetings! Jorieke ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
On devasted areas (by wars or natural catasptrophes): Hi Jeremy, Pierre, Blake and mappers around, I've been mapping around since Baga massacre have been reported, images on OSM look very good enough in many areas of Northern Nigeria and Cameroun to trace buildings or, at least, road network, alternatively using both sources of images from Bing and Mapbox on iD (sure, better if can get more hi-res images for the hole area). Makes one glad to read people looking for helping to improve mapping in such regions. Thinking in devasted areas tagging, wouldn't it fit to map the real situation if in demolished buildings it were just added a tag like demolished=yes? It's not hard to find those devasted areas and buildings by comparing the images in OSM with recent publicly released satellite images. Guess it would be a great help for humanitarian efforts related to destruction and population displaced (I think also on tasks of Gaza, tsunamis, earthquakes and similars situations). In what Kevin Bullock said, is it confirmed that such satellite images of devastation from Digital Globe released on newspapers, like by Amnesty (https://adam.amnesty.org/asset-bank/action/search?attribute_603=Nigeria+Satellite+Images+January+2015), are free to use to map on OSM by manual comparision? By the way, to represent reality and help the efforts of identification by people using the map, what about if OSM renderize buildings tagged demolished=yes to represent better that they actualy are demolished, perhaps with only outline, or dotted, not shaded? (Anyway, remarking they are different from standing buldings). Sorry if bad english. What do you think? Cheers, Sérgio ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
Hello Sérgio, It's not hard to find those devasted areas and buildings by comparing the images in OSM with recent publicly released satellite images. Guess it would be a great help for humanitarian efforts related to destruction and population displaced (I think also on tasks of Gaza, tsunamis, earthquakes and similars situations). In what Kevin Bullock said, is it confirmed that such satellite images of devastation from Digital Globe released on newspapers, like by Amnesty (https://adam.amnesty.org/asset-bank/action/search?attribute_603=Nigeria+Satellite+Images+January+2015), are free to use to map on OSM by manual comparision? if you look at the images provided in the link from your mail and select View Details then you can read the agreement that these images were specifically licensed to amnesty international for their press release. This means that we cannot use them. By the way, to represent reality and help the efforts of identification by people using the map, what about if OSM renderize buildings tagged demolished=yes to represent better that they actualy are demolished, perhaps with only outline, or dotted, not shaded? (Anyway, remarking they are different from standing buldings). I recall that such tagging schemes were applied for the typhoon mapping in the Philippines, see e.g. the instructions of http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/392, I am not sure if the damage tag has been approved as a general tagging style though. -- /Michael (osm:michael63) / ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] And the mapping has started in Bangladesh!
Hi HOT! A message out of Bangladesh, Pete and I are just back at the hotel after a very good first real mapping day! In the morning we did a presentation followed by a lot of explanations and after a little Field Paper exercise around Eastern University in the Dhanmundi area. In the afternoon, we talked about humanitarian mapping and went to Hazaribagh to really start mapping! So yes, this is really getting on! At this moment we are checking the already mapped data on OSM and will we create soon our Field Papers for tomorrow. Then installing the everyday updated osm file on OsmAnd on the 8 smartphones we have here (thank you Blake, Ben, Pierre, Michael, Claire! Btw. if you want to join this club behind the scenes, please ping me!) and put a grid of the FieldPapers as overlay on OsmAnd so we exactly can check where we are on the Fieldpaper during the mapping. So yes we are using what you mapped! It is even a major help to have stuff on the map! So it would be great if you could map a little more for us… The* most important* now is to have *a rough validation* of http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/833#task/51 to really kick out the biggest mess. Pleas start doing this in the North Eastern part, because this is the place we are going to map on Monday. Please keep also contributing to this task http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/838 ! And the other too, but that one is *less a priority * http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/831 By the way, Pete just put some pictures of today on twitter J https://twitter.com/pedrito1414/status/556477213453742080 https://twitter.com/pedrito1414/status/55647734402048 Our best greetings! Jorieke ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
On 1/17/2015 3:36 PM, S Volk wrote: On devasted areas (by wars or natural catasptrophes): Hi Jeremy, Pierre, Blake and mappers around, I've been mapping around since Baga massacre have been reported, images on OSM look very good enough in many areas of Northern Nigeria and Cameroun to trace buildings or, at least, road network, alternatively using both sources of images from Bing and Mapbox on iD (sure, better if can get more hi-res images for the hole area). This is great Sérgio, that is really going to help. I started looking at it as well. Big road network mapping is probably best done just as we are doing it outside of a Tasking Manager project. It will make any future Tasking Manager projects go much better if those roads are well mapped. It's not hard to find those devasted areas and buildings by comparing the images in OSM with recent publicly released satellite images. Guess it would be a great help for humanitarian efforts related to destruction and population displaced (I think also on tasks of Gaza, tsunamis, earthquakes and similars situations). The good news is that according to Amnesty International, dedicated humanitarian groups can already use those images. The only issue is that our mapping is somewhat complicated because we are creating another resource that has users besides humanitarian orgs, namely the OSM database. And here is another set of images from Human Rights Watch using land coverage comparison from the Spot satellites to show terrible fire devastation as well in some of the villages, 90% destroyed in some areas: http://multimedia.hrw.org/distribute/cxiueadfsb In what Kevin Bullock said, is it confirmed that such satellite images of devastation from Digital Globe released on newspapers, like by Amnesty (https://adam.amnesty.org/asset-bank/action/search?attribute_603=Nigeria+Satellite+Images+January+2015), are free to use to map on OSM by manual comparision? I understand exactly what you are saying. Can we just look at the imagery for example directly on the Amnesty International site and then look at our screen with Bing/Mapbox imagery and draw the areas by looking at landmarks like buildings and trees to mark the devastated areas. I feel the same way you do, that seems like it should be totally fine. Unfortunately, the answer is we are not supposed to do that either unless we have an explicit license to use the imagery for HOT mapping. It is interpreted as just the same as loading it up as a layer in JOSM and tracing, but instead of loading it up in JOSM we are loading it up in our heads and then tracing it and creating a derivative work from those AI images that we do not have explicit permission to do that with. We will get that updated January 2015 imagery eventually, but it will just take a bit longer. We want to make sure we follow exactly what a license allows us to do or prevents us from doing. In the mean time, that imagery is already licensed and being used by the pure NGOs like AI, Human Rights Watch and probably others, so that is great news and typical of the great work DigitalGlobe does around the world, it will filter down to us eventually through the established channels. Sorry if bad english. You speak great english, sorry I don't speak anything else. Cheers, Blake ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
Sérgio and all, There is a tagging scheme for damage, described here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Damaged_buildings_crisis_mapping And there is rendering of damaged/destroyed building in the Humanitarian Tiles, well demonstrated here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/11.2451/124.9934 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/11.2451/124.9934layers=H layers=H the buildings with either orange or red borders (damaged/destroyed). =Russ From: S Volk [mailto:svo...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 7:37 AM To: hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ? On devasted areas (by wars or natural catasptrophes): Hi Jeremy, Pierre, Blake and mappers around, I've been mapping around since Baga massacre have been reported, images on OSM look very good enough in many areas of Northern Nigeria and Cameroun to trace buildings or, at least, road network, alternatively using both sources of images from Bing and Mapbox on iD (sure, better if can get more hi-res images for the hole area). Makes one glad to read people looking for helping to improve mapping in such regions. Thinking in devasted areas tagging, wouldn't it fit to map the real situation if in demolished buildings it were just added a tag like demolished=yes? It's not hard to find those devasted areas and buildings by comparing the images in OSM with recent publicly released satellite images. Guess it would be a great help for humanitarian efforts related to destruction and population displaced (I think also on tasks of Gaza, tsunamis, earthquakes and similars situations). In what Kevin Bullock said, is it confirmed that such satellite images of devastation from Digital Globe released on newspapers, like by Amnesty (https://adam.amnesty.org/asset-bank/action/search?attribute_603=Nigeria+Sat ellite+Images+January+2015), are free to use to map on OSM by manual comparision? By the way, to represent reality and help the efforts of identification by people using the map, what about if OSM renderize buildings tagged demolished=yes to represent better that they actualy are demolished, perhaps with only outline, or dotted, not shaded? (Anyway, remarking they are different from standing buldings). Sorry if bad english. What do you think? Cheers, Sérgio ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
Thank you Michael, Blake, and Russell. I understand, wait for the availability of images of DG in OSM for identification of devastated buildings. Good to know that there was already this tag building=damaged/collapsed (and sad), it renders very informatively and solve it in just one tagging.Cheers, Sérgio. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
