Re: [HOT] HOT is now on LinkedIn
Thanks for this discussion. I'm back online and now living in Doha, Qatar! Mark, thanks again for setting up Linked in. I am a huge fan of the potential of volunteer.linkedin.com. While it is not a tool for everyone, I firmly believe that HOT as a global community can and should use it as an engagement avenue. This is important on a few fronts: 1. Outreach: What if many more professionals learned about HOT and decided to contribute? Reaching new professionals to engage in any number of HOT activities as found mentioned on the mailing list and/or the task manager. 2. Give Thanks: In some parts of the world, it is important that community be a 'professional' or 'work-related' recognition. Many people carry a list of credentials, memberships and community involvement as part of their job search. Linked in opens up this avenue. Some of the professional organizations/communities that I engage in on Linked in include: Ushahidi, Open Knowledge, ICANN NCUC, Cisco, Carleton University, Agile People Manifesto, Community Managers, Crisis Emergency and Disaster Recovery Professionals, NANOG, Open Government Canada, Tech Change Alumni and Friends, and VGI Crowdsourcing Geo data...etc. As mentioned I now live in the Arabian Peninsula. It is my understanding that credentials and professional referrals are key to any time of engagement. That and, of course, in person introductions. So, I think that Linked In can prove to be very advantageous to the goals of HOT globally. Thank you Heather Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com Twitter: HeatherLeson Blog: textontechs.com On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Russell Deffner russell.deff...@hotosm.org wrote: Good day everyone, First, let me say that I have had the pleasure of meeting and getting to know Paul a bit and completely respect him and the work he does for OpenStreetMap. Paul, thank you for the clarifications. I only mentioned your official role because it seemed to me from your original post, regarding the trademark issue, that you were not recognizing the history and working relationship of the two organizations. Maybe I can state my main point more clearly: this mailing list is not a very good platform to discuss sensitive legal matters because you’ll get replies from folks like me who have no authority to enter into those negotiations. Just as you probably wouldn’t approach other ‘chapters’ on their talk lists. Kind regards, =Russ (speaking on my own accord and not in my role with HOT) *From:* Paul Norman [mailto:penor...@mac.com] *Sent:* Thursday, February 12, 2015 10:52 PM *To:* hot@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* Re: [HOT] HOT is now on LinkedIn On 2/12/2015 10:00 AM, Russell Deffner wrote: I know Paul is a freshman OSMF Board Member, but I hope he knows that HOT (US Inc) has been actively engaged and willing to participate in such documentation/agreement as the Local (and Thematic) Chapter Agreements, Corporate Partnerships, etc. I was not writing in my role as a board member but in a personal capacity. The most current information that I could find was from the August 2014 OSMF Board Meeting Minutes which said in regards to the LCA, and I quote: “The plan is to move that agreement to the OSMF web site and add small FAQ, then invite larger existing chapters to enter negotiations. Short list right now: Italy, France, Japan, US, HOT plus probably a few others.” As a secretary I am handling local chapter applications. The current status of LC applications is that I have put out a couple of small public calls for interested organizations to apply to become chapters, but have not yet reached out to others as I'd prefer to keep the number of applicants at one time to a manageable number. The use of trademarks is allowed under the LCA – which according to that last documented statement of the OSMF, HOT is recognized and in negotiation. HOT US Inc has not applied to become a chapter and are not in negotiation. Being recognized as a chapter would occur after the application is completed and accepted, which would be longer. If HOT US Inc or anyone else is interested in becoming a local chapter, the information to start the process is at http://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/FAQ#Applying_to_become_a_local_chapter . It actually seems to be more of a problem for non-registered entities to use OSM trademarks because the LCA requires the chapter to submit articles of incorporation and bylaws. Unfortunately in the US – not-for-profit or non-profit organizations *are* companies, basically there is no incorporated entity that is not technically a company under US law. The question of a trademark policy has been referred to the WGs, but it could allow use by non-registered entities ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list
Re: [HOT] huts.
Mapping for TM#898 Prefecture of Kambia, I see a lot of these housing. We have to carefully look at the map to find isolated hamlets with sometimes less then 10 huts or houses. As Rod said, there can be a mix of houses and millet granary. What is important at this stage is to circle all these residential areas plus add roads connecting to the residential areas. This is to facilitate humanitarian organizations logistic planning to visit these areas and support the population spread on this territory. Pierre De : Rod Bera r...@goarem.org À : hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 16 février 2015 14h43 Objet : Re: [HOT] huts. Hi Daniel, depends on what kind of hut you're talking about. Most of these are permanent housing. Some (they tend to be smaller) are granaries. Try googling images with west african hut and millet granary to make yourself an idea. Rod On 16/02/15 20:09, Daniel Specht wrote: Oops -- didn't mean to send that last one. Question about huts -- in West Africa there are a lot of huts, sometimes just out in the forest with no rectangular buildings or clearings nearby. Are these for storage? Temporary housing? Dan Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:55:45 -0500 From: john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com To: hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: [HOT] Validation Message-ID: caj-ex1f3+n6dhh62xnjnazs-p-q8hlmlx77bvd_+zu78sr5...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mapping in Africa from satellite images I find I'm adding perhaps half a dozen settlements when I validate, they're quite quick and easy to do. Some are huts and are not quite so easy to spot. Question at what point should I invalidate? The question arises when perhaps I've added a dozen settlements and half a dozen highways, I'm fairly experienced so fairly comfortable the work is OK after I've added in the validation but there is the question that I've added a dozen settlements and no one else will be validating. I'm looking more for pragmatic answers more than anything else, there is a concern that if I invalidate a tile it may demotivate a mapper and at the moment we have a lot of tiles to map. Thanks Cheerio John -- Dan ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Rod Béra, MCF Géomatique/ Lecturer, Geomatics et SIG pour l'Environnement /and Environmental GIS Agrocampus-Ouest|65 r.Saint-Brieuc|CS84215|35042 Rennes cedex|France +33 (0) 223 48 5553 - roderic.b...@agrocampus-ouest.fr ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Call for HOT Photos
DON'T send them to this mailing list please! Send them directly to Cristiano, or we'll drown ;) 2015-02-16 17:39 GMT+00:00 Cristiano Giovando cristiano.giova...@hotosm.org: Well, the subject says it all :) ...we need your best shots of HOT activities around the world. These are needed for slideshows on the HOT Summit Website and can be maps, photos of field work, maphatons, events, and or any other graphics that tells the story. Please send them to me as high resolution files or links if they are already posted somewhere. Make sure to state any use license as well. Thank you! Cristiano -- Cristiano Giovando Technical Project Manager Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team cristiano.giova...@hotosm.org http://hot.openstreetmap.org ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] huts.
Oops -- didn't mean to send that last one. Question about huts -- in West Africa there are a lot of huts, sometimes just out in the forest with no rectangular buildings or clearings nearby. Are these for storage? Temporary housing? Dan Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:55:45 -0500 From: john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com To: hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: [HOT] Validation Message-ID: caj-ex1f3+n6dhh62xnjnazs-p-q8hlmlx77bvd_+zu78sr5...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mapping in Africa from satellite images I find I'm adding perhaps half a dozen settlements when I validate, they're quite quick and easy to do. Some are huts and are not quite so easy to spot. Question at what point should I invalidate? The question arises when perhaps I've added a dozen settlements and half a dozen highways, I'm fairly experienced so fairly comfortable the work is OK after I've added in the validation but there is the question that I've added a dozen settlements and no one else will be validating. I'm looking more for pragmatic answers more than anything else, there is a concern that if I invalidate a tile it may demotivate a mapper and at the moment we have a lot of tiles to map. Thanks Cheerio John -- Dan ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Validation
2. Maybe reverse what we have now: No mail gets sent when something is invalidated and mail gets sent when something is validated. I don't know how many people come back to map if their task square gets invalidated anyway, especially if it is weeks or months later so we might not be gaining anything by sending the invalidated notice and just discouraging people. I think we would gain a lot more if people got notices of the good job they did instead. And then we wouldn't feel bad to invalidate a task square so it can get the attention it needs and we can move on to validate more tasks. That might be a good simple start, just stop sending the 'invalidated' notices. Your point about no more notifications of invalidated tiles is quite thought provoking Blake. My first instinct would be to disagree because I like to know when my tiles get invalidated. It can happen that some reviewers ask for more mapping than the instructions (in particular important buildings vs all buildings). Any time the instructions are unclear it is getting worse. Some personal examples: http:// http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/751#task/154tasks.hotosm.org http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/751#task/154/project/751#task/154 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/751#task/154 http:// http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/765#task/163tasks.hotosm.org http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/765#task/163/project/765#task/163 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/765#task/163 http:// http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/767#task/261tasks.hotosm.org http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/767#task/261/project/767#task/261 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/767#task/261 http:// http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/767#task/207tasks.hotosm.org http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/767#task/207/project/767#task/207 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/767#task/207 Anyway any default behavior for notifications could be overridden by specific @-mentions from any comments/validation/invalidation. Notification for validated is positive feedback. Notification for invalidated is negative feedback, but comment is compulsory. Notification for invalidated with comment (automatic or @-mention) is constructive feedback. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] huts
John Whelan mentioned huts -- Dan ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] huts.
Hi Daniel, depends on what kind of hut you're talking about. Most of these are permanent housing. Some (they tend to be smaller) are granaries. Try googling images with west african hut and millet granary to make yourself an idea. Rod On 16/02/15 20:09, Daniel Specht wrote: Oops -- didn't mean to send that last one. Question about huts -- in West Africa there are a lot of huts, sometimes just out in the forest with no rectangular buildings or clearings nearby. Are these for storage? Temporary housing? Dan Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:55:45 -0500 From: john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com To: hot@openstreetmap.org mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org mailto:hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: [HOT] Validation Message-ID: caj-ex1f3+n6dhh62xnjnazs-p-q8hlmlx77bvd_+zu78sr5...@mail.gmail.com mailto:caj-ex1f3%2bn6dhh62xnjnazs-p-q8hlmlx77bvd_%2bzu78sr5...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mapping in Africa from satellite images I find I'm adding perhaps half a dozen settlements when I validate, they're quite quick and easy to do. Some are huts and are not quite so easy to spot. Question at what point should I invalidate? The question arises when perhaps I've added a dozen settlements and half a dozen highways, I'm fairly experienced so fairly comfortable the work is OK after I've added in the validation but there is the question that I've added a dozen settlements and no one else will be validating. I'm looking more for pragmatic answers more than anything else, there is a concern that if I invalidate a tile it may demotivate a mapper and at the moment we have a lot of tiles to map. Thanks Cheerio John -- Dan ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Rod Béra, MCF Géomatique/ Lecturer, Geomatics et SIG pour l'Environnement /and Environmental GIS Agrocampus-Ouest|65 r.Saint-Brieuc|CS84215|35042 Rennes cedex|France +33 (0) 223 48 5553 - roderic.b...@agrocampus-ouest.fr ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Validation
If some people want a deeper dive into Tasking Manager, here are a few pointers to the GitHub repository for improvements and bug tracking system. Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, Blake althio, Good practical advice. I think it is important to remember that there are humans on either side of the validation. There have been times when I added a few features and then validated, other times I start adding and realize that quite a bit had been missed and then I'm kind of stuck and just finish it off. Hopefully I'm not leaving a similar trail for others to clean up. A suggestion for the HOT Tasking Manager Stats page would be to add the number of tiles an individual mapper Validates. As John says we have a lot of tiles to map. Map on Emmor (Palolo) On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:59 AM, althio althio.fo...@gmail.com wrote: My personal views is that statuses done/validated/invalidated should be related to progress and quality of the current state of mapping. We should not use that to give feedback or give implicitly a notation to previous mappers. Use comments (with @-mentions) for feedback. A notation of mappers is a very complex and different problem. Pragmatic / Real situation answers Empty tile or most work not done: invalidated, short comment. A bit of work left to do ie. a few missing elements or tagging errors. I would do corrections to bring the mapping standard up to required level, I would add detailed comment to provide feedback or guidance. If I am confident enough with the previous work and my minor edits, I validate since the tile is now OK. Otherwise I leave it to another reviewer. In between? It depends on the mood and available time obviously and the limits between cases are fuzzy. If I have too little time or it is too much corrections I would go for the comments only with @-mentions, most of the time with no further validation/invalidation. If I avoid invalidation I hope the comment is enough for track record and bring attention to previous and potential mappers. This is taking care of community over quality and I appreciate that opinions may differ. john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Question at what point should I invalidate? The question arises when perhaps I've added a dozen settlements and half a dozen highways, I'm fairly experienced so fairly comfortable the work is OK after I've added in the validation but there is the question that I've added a dozen settlements and no one else will be validating. I'm looking more for pragmatic answers more than anything else, there is a concern that if I invalidate a tile it may demotivate a mapper and at the moment we have a lot of tiles to map. Thanks Cheerio John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] building=hut task 892
My background is fifty years of playing with computers including very large databases. I spent my first ten years in assembler when I'd add up all the instruction times to optimise the code. When I see a hut being drawn as a circle I think it terms of the amount of data storage needed compared to a single point or even a square building and there are a lot of huts in Africa. Note to Blake, as long as they don't get overlooked I'm happy and content. Thanks John On 16 February 2015 at 20:17, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: John, Yes these objects will be found if a building tag is added. If you want to try adding some, it can be done easily. With JOSM, we can create easily a circle form. This can be used for a reservoir, a roundabout, etc. - You add two points not connected to each other representing the diameter of the hut. - From the Tool menu you select Create a circle. - You add the building tag. You can then copy / paste to add other buildings around. Pierre -- *De :* john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Lundi 16 février 2015 19h03 *Objet :* [HOT] building=hut task 892 Dumb question will these be found? What is the recommended way to map them? I quite like the idea rather than drawing a building shape. Found whilst validating. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] building=hut task 892
Hi John, I'm willing to be corrected, but I think we're currently going with building=yes for all shapes of building. Reading through that particular project instructions, it doesn't look as if buildings need to be traced at the moment, just residential boundaries. The problem comes when you find one or two buildings which you think are some kind of farm building, when you're only option is to trace the building outline, and if you can find a road or definite farm area, tag appropriately. I don't know if this would help, but this is the section on LearnOSM about buildings http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/remote/#buildings-compounds-amp-barriers Regards Nick Nick Volunteer 'Tallguy' for https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy Treasurer, website Bonus Ball admin for http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk) On 17 February 2015 at 00:03, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Dumb question will these be found? What is the recommended way to map them? I quite like the idea rather than drawing a building shape. Found whilst validating. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] building=hut task 892
Dumb question will these be found? What is the recommended way to map them? I quite like the idea rather than drawing a building shape. Found whilst validating. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] building=hut task 892
John, Yes these objects will be found if a building tag is added. If you want to try adding some, it can be done easily. With JOSM, we can create easily a circle form. This can be used for a reservoir, a roundabout, etc. - You add two points not connected to each other representing the diameter of the hut. - From the Tool menu you select Create a circle. - You add the building tag. You can then copy / paste to add other buildings around. Pierre De : john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com À : hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Lundi 16 février 2015 19h03 Objet : [HOT] building=hut task 892 Dumb question will these be found? What is the recommended way to map them? I quite like the idea rather than drawing a building shape. Found whilst validating. Thanks John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Validation
So it sounds like by validating we are giving some positive feedback and makes it seem that the mapping efforts aren't for naught and ideally we should be in a position to validate within a day or two of the mapping to keep a bit of motivation up. I have noticed that in the stats we say xyz has done twenty three tiles but in reality each tile has been worked on by three or four different people in some ways xyz has only signed off on it. Anyway I'd better go and validate a few more on the tasks I'm working on. Thanks John On 16 February 2015 at 00:55, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, It is a difficult question you ask as I feel the same way you and Nick do, I really don't want to invalidate squares to avoid discouraging people. I tend to almost never invalidate a square unless it is obvious that someone clicked done thinking that meant they were just done looking at it. So, depending on how much mapping there is to do I usually: Just do the mapping if it is less than 15 mins worth and make sure to let the person who marked it done thank you for the mapping, there was a bit more to do so I finished it up. I will also often just map it even if it is longer than 15 mins but I end up validating a lot less if that is the case on a lot of squares. Unlock a task square and then just directly message the person and ask them if they could map a bit more. I only do this if we are talking a square completed in the past day or two. Unlock the task square and find another one to hopefully validate quicker if my time is limited. I know this is a terrible solution. There are probably some programmatic things to improve the situation that could be done: 1. Dialog box on marking Done that asks Are you sure you have mapped everything in the 'Entities to map' field? 2. Maybe reverse what we have now: No mail gets sent when something is invalidated and mail gets sent when something is validated. I don't know how many people come back to map if their task square gets invalidated anyway, especially if it is weeks or months later so we might not be gaining anything by sending the invalidated notice and just discouraging people. I think we would gain a lot more if people got notices of the good job they did instead. And then we wouldn't feel bad to invalidate a task square so it can get the attention it needs and we can move on to validate more tasks. That might be a good simple start, just stop sending the 'invalidated' notices. Thank you for bringing it up, the validation process is tricky and subtle. Cheers, Blake On 2/16/2015 12:55 AM, john whelan wrote: Mapping in Africa from satellite images I find I'm adding perhaps half a dozen settlements when I validate, they're quite quick and easy to do. Some are huts and are not quite so easy to spot. Question at what point should I invalidate? The question arises when perhaps I've added a dozen settlements and half a dozen highways, I'm fairly experienced so fairly comfortable the work is OK after I've added in the validation but there is the question that I've added a dozen settlements and no one else will be validating. I'm looking more for pragmatic answers more than anything else, there is a concern that if I invalidate a tile it may demotivate a mapper and at the moment we have a lot of tiles to map. Thanks Cheerio John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Validation
My personal views is that statuses done/validated/invalidated should be related to progress and quality of the current state of mapping. We should not use that to give feedback or give implicitly a notation to previous mappers. Use comments (with @-mentions) for feedback. A notation of mappers is a very complex and different problem. Pragmatic / Real situation answers Empty tile or most work not done: invalidated, short comment. A bit of work left to do ie. a few missing elements or tagging errors. I would do corrections to bring the mapping standard up to required level, I would add detailed comment to provide feedback or guidance. If I am confident enough with the previous work and my minor edits, I validate since the tile is now OK. Otherwise I leave it to another reviewer. In between? It depends on the mood and available time obviously and the limits between cases are fuzzy. If I have too little time or it is too much corrections I would go for the comments only with @-mentions, most of the time with no further validation/invalidation. If I avoid invalidation I hope the comment is enough for track record and bring attention to previous and potential mappers. This is taking care of community over quality and I appreciate that opinions may differ. john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Question at what point should I invalidate? The question arises when perhaps I've added a dozen settlements and half a dozen highways, I'm fairly experienced so fairly comfortable the work is OK after I've added in the validation but there is the question that I've added a dozen settlements and no one else will be validating. I'm looking more for pragmatic answers more than anything else, there is a concern that if I invalidate a tile it may demotivate a mapper and at the moment we have a lot of tiles to map. Thanks Cheerio John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Fwd: huts.
An example of this is #892 - Ebola Outbreak, Guinea, Kindia Prefecture, Road network and settlements, task 77. Lots of the residential areas have only these barely visible round things. Dan -- Forwarded message -- From: Daniel Specht danspe...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:09 AM Subject: huts. To: HOT@openstreetmap.org Oops -- didn't mean to send that last one. Question about huts -- in West Africa there are a lot of huts, sometimes just out in the forest with no rectangular buildings or clearings nearby. Are these for storage? Temporary housing? Dan Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:55:45 -0500 From: john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com To: hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: [HOT] Validation Message-ID: caj-ex1f3+n6dhh62xnjnazs-p-q8hlmlx77bvd_+zu78sr5...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mapping in Africa from satellite images I find I'm adding perhaps half a dozen settlements when I validate, they're quite quick and easy to do. Some are huts and are not quite so easy to spot. Question at what point should I invalidate? The question arises when perhaps I've added a dozen settlements and half a dozen highways, I'm fairly experienced so fairly comfortable the work is OK after I've added in the validation but there is the question that I've added a dozen settlements and no one else will be validating. I'm looking more for pragmatic answers more than anything else, there is a concern that if I invalidate a tile it may demotivate a mapper and at the moment we have a lot of tiles to map. Thanks Cheerio John -- Dan -- Dan ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Fwd: huts.
I strongly suspect they are huts that people live in. Cheerio John On 16 February 2015 at 21:09, Daniel Specht danspe...@gmail.com wrote: An example of this is #892 - Ebola Outbreak, Guinea, Kindia Prefecture, Road network and settlements, task 77. Lots of the residential areas have only these barely visible round things. Dan -- Forwarded message -- From: Daniel Specht danspe...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:09 AM Subject: huts. To: HOT@openstreetmap.org Oops -- didn't mean to send that last one. Question about huts -- in West Africa there are a lot of huts, sometimes just out in the forest with no rectangular buildings or clearings nearby. Are these for storage? Temporary housing? Dan Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 18:55:45 -0500 From: john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com To: hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: [HOT] Validation Message-ID: caj-ex1f3+n6dhh62xnjnazs-p-q8hlmlx77bvd_+zu78sr5...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mapping in Africa from satellite images I find I'm adding perhaps half a dozen settlements when I validate, they're quite quick and easy to do. Some are huts and are not quite so easy to spot. Question at what point should I invalidate? The question arises when perhaps I've added a dozen settlements and half a dozen highways, I'm fairly experienced so fairly comfortable the work is OK after I've added in the validation but there is the question that I've added a dozen settlements and no one else will be validating. I'm looking more for pragmatic answers more than anything else, there is a concern that if I invalidate a tile it may demotivate a mapper and at the moment we have a lot of tiles to map. Thanks Cheerio John -- Dan -- Dan ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Validation
Nick, Blake althio, Good practical advice. I think it is important to remember that there are humans on either side of the validation. There have been times when I added a few features and then validated, other times I start adding and realize that quite a bit had been missed and then I'm kind of stuck and just finish it off. Hopefully I'm not leaving a similar trail for others to clean up. A suggestion for the HOT Tasking Manager Stats page would be to add the number of tiles an individual mapper Validates. As John says we have a lot of tiles to map. Map on Emmor (Palolo) On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:59 AM, althio althio.fo...@gmail.com wrote: My personal views is that statuses done/validated/invalidated should be related to progress and quality of the current state of mapping. We should not use that to give feedback or give implicitly a notation to previous mappers. Use comments (with @-mentions) for feedback. A notation of mappers is a very complex and different problem. Pragmatic / Real situation answers Empty tile or most work not done: invalidated, short comment. A bit of work left to do ie. a few missing elements or tagging errors. I would do corrections to bring the mapping standard up to required level, I would add detailed comment to provide feedback or guidance. If I am confident enough with the previous work and my minor edits, I validate since the tile is now OK. Otherwise I leave it to another reviewer. In between? It depends on the mood and available time obviously and the limits between cases are fuzzy. If I have too little time or it is too much corrections I would go for the comments only with @-mentions, most of the time with no further validation/invalidation. If I avoid invalidation I hope the comment is enough for track record and bring attention to previous and potential mappers. This is taking care of community over quality and I appreciate that opinions may differ. john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Question at what point should I invalidate? The question arises when perhaps I've added a dozen settlements and half a dozen highways, I'm fairly experienced so fairly comfortable the work is OK after I've added in the validation but there is the question that I've added a dozen settlements and no one else will be validating. I'm looking more for pragmatic answers more than anything else, there is a concern that if I invalidate a tile it may demotivate a mapper and at the moment we have a lot of tiles to map. Thanks Cheerio John ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
