Re: [HOT] Database, OSM & HOT (Was: Request for information about common set of tags for HOT)

[Springfield Harrison]

Hello Blake,
Thanks for those references.  I understand the first one although it
does certainly appear daunting.
The problem I see is that the long list of attributes/keys/values that
are specified for inclusion in the shapefile can go out of date very
often as crowd-mappers or new projects invent new key/value tags. 
Having to manually inspect the "other_tags" field looks like a
bottleneck that could lead to unintended query results, most likely
overlooking items that have new keys.  This is a long list to keep
up to date and there are quite a few of them in your example:

attributes=name,type,aeroway,amenity,admin_level,barrier,boundary,building,craft,geological,historic,land_area,landuse,leisure,man_made,military,natural,office,place,shop,sport,tourism

Anyway, I understand what you're driving at but the process seems
to be overly complex and not given to reliable automation.
Has anyone created a GUI for this?  Your example for hand wiring all
these INI files looks tedious and easy to screw up.  I can see that
a query builder tool that presented all the keys and their values in pick
lists along with the relevant operators would boost the reliability and
ease the workload in creating these queries.
Thanks for
bearing with me again, Cheers . . . . . . . . Spring Harrison


At 22-05-2015 06:55 Friday, Blake Girardot wrote:
Hi Springfield,
Here is how I get useful thematic layers out OSM:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/How_To_Convert_osm_.pbf_files_to_Esri_Shapefiles

And here is an example files generated through what I would guess is a
similar process every 30 mins:

http://nepal.piensa.co/
Actually, I see they use a slightly different process with the same basic
method, and the same software for the conversion/extraction:

https://github.com/GFDRR/osm-extract
(feedback on my thematic layers is always welcome, we want to create the
most useful layers we can. Examples can be found in the wiki entry for
Vanuatu typhoon response)

cheers,
Blake

On 5/22/2015 8:26 AM, Springfield Harrison wrote:
Hello John,
Thanks for your patient explanation, I'm beginning to see that OSM is
a
very different flavour of GIS.  At the outset, my assumption was that
it
was entirely emergency oriented.  I was puzzled by the references to
hairdressers and gymnasiums but I guess they result from a different
process.
I do think that some emergency related features such as potential
helipads, powerline crossings, towers, cable cars, landslides,
glacial
lakes, emergency shelters and such like might be better left to
those
with experience with those types of features.  They wouldn't
necessarily
need to be experienced with OSM, just familiar with identifying
those
features.  I'm surprised that there is no process for identifying
and
directing the more highly qualified mappers.
I had intended to help with the helipad project but quickly became
discouraged with the less than adequate imagery and the weirdness of
leisure = common.  Merely verifying the leisure = common sites would
probably overlook lots of other qualified sites.  And how many sites
with this tag are actually sports fields as per the original
intention?
Then, mapping existing helipads marked with H in a circle, might be
redundant as such official sites would probably be already mapped by
a
national agency.  I would recommend that potential helipads be tagged
as
aeroway = helipads_potential, verified = no.  Proper assessment of
helipads requires an oblique, 3-D view.  I attempted to introduce
Google
Earth into the process but licensing fears put the kibosh on
that.
I found this surprising because Google Earth does have several other
products and does make a lot of noise about community and not for
profit
mapping without any references to licensing.  They appear to
actively
promote user generated files being placed into the public domain.  I
have spent some time attempting to talk to them about this but the
best
I could do was an e-mail.  Will advise.
Thanks again for your time on this, I'm sure you have larger fish to
fry, Cheers . . . . . . . . Spring Harrison




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Re: [HOT] tasks.hotosm.org bug report

[Scare!]

It might work then if the @ was URL-encoded into %40 .

Is there a way to edit or delete my most recent comment, without being able
to load the task page it was left on?  http://tasks.hotosm.org/user/Scare%21


This is indeed a bug that has been reported in the past for links
> containing the @ symbol (see
> https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/493). I will add
> your experience to the issue thread, though ideally we shouldn't link to
> copyrighted maps. Thanks for your notification!
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> Best,
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Re: [HOT] Database, OSM & HOT (Was: Request for information about common set of tags for HOT)

[Springfield Harrison]

At 22-05-2015 06:39 Friday, Andreas Goss
wrote:

I see that the open, flexible
nature of the tag approach has its merits > I suppose.  The enduring
mystery for me is how is this information used > in a query?  But
maybe I am barking up the wrong tree here, perhaps this > concept is
only used for labeling features, and querying to select the > data
subset is not a common task.
Hello Andreas,
Yes, probably.  But where did this key/value come from?  In my
look at the 366,017 records of a few days ago, I do not recall seeing any
tags like this.  Are they in fact emergency helipads by another
name?  Are they related to aeroway = helipad or leisure =
common?  What are the criteria for selecting them?  There
appear to be thousands.
Oops, now I see that they are not even in Nepal.  Does each project
have its own set of terminology?  Are we certain that some emergency
landing sites were not given different tags by different mappers as this
"flexibility" seems to be viewed as beneficial.
To me this just demonstrates the chaotic nature of the tagging scheme,
little consistency or documentation.  However, if it appears to work
then it works.

Thanks Andreas,
Cheers . . . . . . . . Spring


 You mean like this?

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Re: [HOT] newbie needs advice

[Springfield Harrison]

At 22-05-2015 01:06 Friday, cascafico wrote:

Springfield Harrison wrote >  As a 30+ year helicopter pilot, I did
have some concern with the very > skimpy helipad instructions.  In
high-altitude, rugged terrain there is > much more to locating
helipads than finding a 30 m flat square of ground. > Is there any
technical oversight by experienced pilots on this task? > I assume
that there are no current maps for this area, just the OSM edits? > I
did find some ASM 1950s mapping.  Is there nothing newer than that?

Hello cascafico,
That does sound like an interesting approach.  Not sure how well the
NIR data would identify suitable landing surfaces but it might be a good
start.  Some sense of the topography is important, the OSM imagery
is not really very good for that.
Thanks,
Cheers . . . . . . . . Spring Harrison

One of the first exercises
during remote sensing lessons is closely related to your concerns:
identify potential landing spots using digital terrain model and near
infra-red imagery. It's pretty simple. I wonder why some GIS people
didn't automate that, say conditional 10° slope, slope direction,
elevation<11.000 ft and scrub free land   ...maybe no NIR data
available? JOSM crowd should be aware of the 30 m DEM TMS available since
20150506 [1] before mapping potential landings... it's very useful, even
without vegetation data. [1]

http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/30-m-DEM-TMS-rendering-for-Nepal-td5843573.html
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Re: [HOT] tasks.hotosm.org bug report

[Ethan Nelson]

Hi there,
This is indeed a bug that has been reported in the past for links containing 
the @ symbol (see https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/493). I 
will add your experience to the issue thread, though ideally we shouldn't link 
to copyrighted maps. Thanks for your notification!
Best,Ethan aka FTA

From: openstreetmap@scare.ca
Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 18:13:11 -0500
To: hot@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [HOT] tasks.hotosm.org bug report

http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1018#task/3187 gives a popup saying "an error 
occurred" and doesn't display the task any more.  Doing an uncached reload, or 
logging out, doesn't help.  It's the same using Google Chrome or Firefox.  The 
last thing I did before it started doing that was enter a comment containing a 
Google Maps URL (unshortened).  I can still edit the area but the task manager 
is buggered.


Why did I leave a comment?  To ask if anyone could help resolve the following:
The Bing imagery shows one bridge in that 
area:http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id&#map=17/27.46759/84.87505

Mapbox doesn't show any, even at the closest available zoom.
On OpenStreetMap, someone has drawn two 
bridges:http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/27.46759/84.87505

Google Maps shows 
three:https://www.google.ca/maps/@27.467474,84.8742845,357m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
https://goo.gl/maps/dJqea





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Re: [HOT] geotagged photomaterial

[Suzan Reed]

Great work, Katja! 


On May 22, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Katja Ulbert wrote:

Hi all,

there is now a collection of geotagged and non-geotagged photo material, both 
post- and pre-earthquake

https://www.flickr.com/photos/katja-ulbert/collections/72157652845855988/

When you click on the photo, you can find latitude and longitude and/or GPS 
data in the description.

BeEst regards

Katja



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Re: [HOT] Fwd: Re: Problems saving in ID

[Suzan Reed]

Hi everyone! 

So I started working on the tutorial for Github, feeling enthusiastic, and 
quickly realized the workflow in Github delivers disasterous results. 

Once you login or sign up, which has to be done before you can report and 
issue, you are directed to a landing page that has nothing to do with 
OpenStreetMaps, and instead asks you to choose a plan and pay money. Yikes! 
What!?? How did I get here? How do I find a way to report my problem? 
(https://github.com/)

It took many clicks and searches that didn't produce anything at all relevant 
to end up no where. (I took screen shots.)

Finally! I clicked on the original link provided by Nick and althio, and I was 
at the right page and already signed in. Success! But not intuitive. (Also, 
signing in is not easy once you have an account as it asked me five different 
times to give a new username. What!?? I already have a username for Github! And 
now my past usernames are taken? Really?)

So this is my conclusion (I used to teach and lecture on Usability so I hope 
this is of some help): 
1. Either find another tool that's much easier to use
or
2. See if Github can be customized and "dumbed down" so it delivers the correct 
landing page for OpenStreetMaps, and further customize it by deleting a lot of 
the other buttons (fork etc.) that appear now. 
or the KISS, easy, user-friendly solution
3. Simply provide a web based email form, with instructions to the user to add 
their OS, browser, etc., that goes to the programming group and have them copy 
and paste into Github. (Happy to help format and write so it's easy to 
understand for the user.)

Bottom line: 
As it is, I don't think many non-IT/programming/scientific people are going to 
figure out how to report an issue. Therefore, programming isn't going to know 
there's an issue, and the non-tech user public will continue to have a really 
bad experience, say with iD not saving and oddball dialog boxes, and doubling 
or even tripling the number of buildings and roads on a tile through multiple 
saves that make the validator do a lot of extra work. Not good. 

~ Software that doesn't work makes OSM and HOT look bad. 
~ Easy solutions make OSM and HOT look good and the public user feel happy. 

I really did want to write the tutorial, but goodness, Github is a hot mess! 

I bow to the programmers who like it. 

Suzan 



On May 22, 2015, at 10:25 AM, Robert Banick wrote:

Hi Charlotte,

The intention of putting issue reporting there is to create information that’s 
*actionable* for the (primarily Mapbox) folks who maintain and develop iD. That 
way problems are automatically linked to solutions. As you can tell, I gently 
disagree with your assessment of github’s utility. I’m not a developer but I 
find it really useful for communicating to developers, who, after all, are the 
ones to fix things. 

That being said, could you maybe explain how Github is poor for reporting 
issues with iD? If you can maybe explain your frustrations further we can 
understand how to either better explain Github to new users *or* create new 
processes that better match your needs as a user. I’m not opposed to the latter 
but I would hope to give Github a shot instead of inventing yet another process.

Cheers,
Robert

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On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Charlotte Wolter  wrote:

Suzan,

You're not alone. Github was designed for people writing 
software. It is an absolutely terrible way to report issues with iD 
or anything else.
Why isn't there a page on the OSM web site with a simple 
form for reporting these issues?

Charlotte


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>Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 21:14:11 -0700
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[HOT] tasks.hotosm.org bug report

[Scare!]

http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1018#task/3187 gives a popup saying "an
error occurred" and doesn't display the task any more.  Doing an uncached
reload, or logging out, doesn't help.  It's the same using Google Chrome or
Firefox.  The last thing I did before it started doing that was enter a
comment containing a Google Maps URL (unshortened).  I can still edit the
area but the task manager is buggered.


Why did I leave a comment?  To ask if anyone could help resolve the
following:

The Bing imagery shows one bridge in that area:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id&#map=17/27.46759/84.87505

Mapbox doesn't show any, even at the closest available zoom.

On OpenStreetMap, someone has drawn two bridges:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/27.46759/84.87505

Google Maps shows three:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@27.467474,84.8742845,357m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
https://goo.gl/maps/dJqea
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Re: [HOT] Fwd: Re: Problems saving in ID

[Carl von Einem]

Hi Charlotte,

instead of forking a project when you have logged in to GitHub just 
locate the search bar and search for "iD". This should lead you to the 
openstreetmap/iD project. Click on that. Now look for a link "Issues". 
There you will see a list of already reported issues (bugs). Try the 
"Filter" search bar to find bug reports that cover your problem. If 
that's too complicated just press the "New issue" button and describe 
what has happened (preferably in a way so that developers can follow 
your procedure).


Since your signature says something about "techlady" I'm pretty sure 
you're open to some good background information:

Fork:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28software_development%29

And a story about GitHub on wired.com


Hope that helps,
Carl

Charlotte Wolter wrote on 22.05.15 20:37:

Robert et al,

Surely there are other ways to communicte with developers other than
Github. Is that the only thing they respond to? I don't think so.
Github has an odd-looking interface (to most people), and it's not
really clear how to use it, unless you are familiar with it, which, it
seems, you are. Also it has its own little language (what does "fork"
mean and what does it have to do with reporting a problem?).
However, most people do know how to fill out an online form when there
is a problem. Does Microsoft send me to Github when I have a problem
with Windows? Does my high-speed cable provider send me to Github when I
can't download? No, because no one would understand it. Guys, sometimes
the simpler solution is the best.
I think most developers can read a simple problem report and respond.
How they choose to work together to solve the issue is their business.
Probably they would use Github, because they are familiar with Github.
But don't send me there!

Charlotte


At 10:25 AM 5/22/2015, you wrote:

Hi Charlotte,

The intention of putting issue reporting there is to create
information that's *actionable* for the (primarily Mapbox) folks who
maintain and develop iD. That way problems are automatically linked to
solutions. As you can tell, I gently disagree with your assessment of
github's utility. I'm not a developer but I find it really useful for
communicating to developers, who, after all, are the ones to fix things.

That being said, could you maybe explain how Github is poor for
reporting issues with iD? If you can maybe explain your frustrations
further we can understand how to either better explain Github to new
users *or* create new processes that better match your needs as a
user. I’m not opposed to the latter but I would hope to give Github
a shot instead of inventing yet another process.

Cheers,
Robert

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On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Charlotte Wolter
mailto:techl...@techlady.com>> wrote:


Suzan,

You're not alone. Github was designed for people writing
software. It is an absolutely terrible way to report issues with iD
or anything else.
Why isn't there a page on the OSM web site with a simple
form for reporting these issues?

Charlotte


>Delivered-To: techl...@techlady.com
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>Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 21:14:11 -0700
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>X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085)
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>Subject: Re: [HOT] Problems saving in ID
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>Nick and all,
>
>Would someone be so kind as to add the information way below
>to the "issues" at the link Nick sent to me? I had a dickens of a
>time trying to provide the feedback at that link, and I thought I
>was pretty good with stuff like that.
>
>Suzan
>
>On May 21, 2015, at 1:31 AM, Nick Allen wrote: Hi,
>https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues Should be the place to
>report problems. Nick (OSM=Tallguy) Humanitarian OpenStreetMa

Re: [HOT] Fwd: Re: Problems saving in ID

[Charlotte Wolter]

Robert et al,

Surely there are other ways to 
communicte with developers other than Github. Is 
that the only thing they respond to? I don't think so.
Github has an odd-looking interface (to 
most people), and it's not really clear how to 
use it, unless you are familiar with it, which, 
it seems, you are. Also it has its own little 
language (what does "fork" mean and what does it 
have to do with reporting a problem?).
However, most people do know how to fill 
out an online form when there is a problem. Does 
Microsoft send me to Github when I have a problem 
with Windows? Does my high-speed cable provider 
send me to Github when I can't download? No, 
because no one would understand it. Guys, 
sometimes the simpler solution is the best.
I think most developers can read a 
simple problem report and respond. How they 
choose to work together to solve the issue is 
their business. Probably they would use Github, 
because they are familiar with Github. But don't send me there!


Charlotte


At 10:25 AM 5/22/2015, you wrote:

Hi Charlotte,

The intention of putting issue reporting there 
is to create information that's *actionable* for 
the (primarily Mapbox) folks who maintain and 
develop iD. That way problems are automatically 
linked to solutions. As you can tell, I gently 
disagree with your assessment of github's 
utility. I'm not a developer but I find it 
really useful for communicating to developers, 
who, after all, are the ones to fix things.


That being said, could you maybe explain how 
Github is poor for reporting issues with iD? If 
you can maybe explain your frustrations further 
we can understand how to either better explain 
Github to new users *or* create new processes 
that better match your needs as a user. I’m 
not opposed to the latter but I would hope to 
give Github a shot instead of inventing yet another process.


Cheers,
Robert

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On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Charlotte 
Wolter <techl...@techlady.com> wrote:


Suzan,

You're not alone. Github was designed for people writing
software. It is an absolutely terrible way to report issues with iD
or anything else.
Why isn't there a page on the OSM web site with a simple
form for reporting these issues?

Charlotte


>Delivered-To: techl...@techlady.com
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>Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 21:14:11 -0700
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>Subject: Re: [HOT] Problems saving in ID
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>a=g0IKWTOu3bTzVGJDUssA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10
>X-Cloudmark-Score: 0
>
>Nick and all,
>
>Would someone be so kind as to add the information way below
>to the "issues" at the link Nick sent to me? I had a dickens of a
>time trying to provide the feedback at that link, and I thought I
>was pretty good with stuff like that.
>
>Suzan
>
>On May 21, 2015, at 1:31 AM, Nick Allen wrote: Hi,
>https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues Should be the place to
>report problems. Nick (OSM=Tallguy) Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
>Member On 21 May 2015 09:25, "Suzan Reed" 
>wrote: For some time I've been having problems saving when using ID.
>I don't know who to report this to. Can someone direct me the person
>or people who can fix the ID editor? Or send the following to them?
>Suzan Here are the issues: 1. After Saving edits, unlocking the
>Task, and going to another Task, a dialog box appears with two icons
>that indicates past edits have not saved, and asks if I want to
>restore the edits and save them. When saved, I believe these over
>write the last Task, doubling the images. 2. Other times another
>dialog box appears: "Errors occured while trying to save Bad
>Gateway. The proxy server received an invalid response from an
>upstream server. Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at
>www.openstreetmap.org Port 80" (html tags have been removed for
>brevity.) When Saving after getting this kind of dialog box, the
>Save button has to be pressed several times. There can be long
>delays. Eventually the edits S

[HOT] geotagged photomaterial

[Katja Ulbert]

Hi all,

there is now a collection of geotagged and non-geotagged photo material, 
both post- and pre-earthquake


https://www.flickr.com/photos/katja-ulbert/collections/72157652845855988/

When you click on the photo, you can find latitude and longitude and/or 
GPS data in the description.


BeEst regards

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Re: [HOT] Fwd: Re: Problems saving in ID

[Robert Banick]

Hi Charlotte,




The intention of putting issue reporting there is to create information that’s 
*actionable* for the (primarily Mapbox) folks who maintain and develop iD. That 
way problems are automatically linked to solutions. As you can tell, I gently 
disagree with your assessment of github’s utility. I’m not a developer but I 
find it really useful for communicating to developers, who, after all, are the 
ones to fix things. 





That being said, could you maybe explain how Github is poor for reporting 
issues with iD? If you can maybe explain your frustrations further we can 
understand how to either better explain Github to new users *or* create new 
processes that better match your needs as a user. I’m not opposed to the latter 
but I would hope to give Github a shot instead of inventing yet another process.




Cheers,

Robert




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> Suzan,
>  You're not alone. Github was designed for people writing 
> software. It is an absolutely terrible way to report issues with iD 
> or anything else.
>  Why isn't there a page on the OSM web site with a simple 
> form for reporting these issues?
> Charlotte
>>Delivered-To: techl...@techlady.com
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>>Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 21:14:11 -0700
>>To: Nick Allen 
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>>Nick and all,
>>
>>Would someone be so kind as to add the information way below
>>to the "issues" at the link Nick sent to me? I had a dickens of a
>>time trying to provide the feedback at that link, and I thought I
>>was pretty good with stuff like that.
>>
>>Suzan
>>
>>On May 21, 2015, at 1:31 AM, Nick Allen wrote: Hi, 
>>https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues Should be the place to 
>>report problems. Nick (OSM=Tallguy) Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team 
>>Member On 21 May 2015 09:25, "Suzan Reed"  
>>wrote: For some time I've been having problems saving when using ID. 
>>I don't know who to report this to. Can someone direct me the person 
>>or people who can fix the ID editor? Or send the following to them? 
>>Suzan Here are the issues: 1. After Saving edits, unlocking the 
>>Task, and going to another Task, a dialog box appears with two icons 
>>that indicates past edits have not saved, and asks if I want to 
>>restore the edits and save them. When saved, I believe these over 
>>write the last Task, doubling the images. 2. Other times another 
>>dialog box appears: "Errors occured while trying to save Bad 
>>Gateway. The proxy server received an invalid response from an 
>>upstream server. Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at 
>>www.openstreetmap.org Port 80"  (html tags have been removed for 
>>brevity.) When Saving after getting this kind of dialog box, the 
>>Save button has to be pressed several times. There can be long 
>>delays. Eventually the edits Save and I get the dialog that shows 
>>they are being saved and the blue images in the left column appear. 
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Re: [HOT] Fwd: Re: Problems saving in ID

[Russell Deffner]

Charlotte (and all),

I would just re-assert something that Althio recently said.  This are great 
suggestions and questions, but you won't find a solution on the HOT mailing 
list.  I believe MapBox still organizes the development of iD and I think the 
OSMF has a working group/team handling the frontpage.

Thanks,
=Russ

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[HOT] Fwd: Re: Problems saving in ID

[Charlotte Wolter]

Suzan,

You're not alone. Github was designed for people writing 
software. It is an absolutely terrible way to report issues with iD 
or anything else.
Why isn't there a page on the OSM web site with a simple 
form for reporting these issues?


Charlotte



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Nick and all,

Would someone be so kind as to add the information way below
to the "issues" at the link Nick sent to me? I had a dickens of a
time trying to provide the feedback at that link, and I thought I
was pretty good with stuff like that.

Suzan

On May 21, 2015, at 1:31 AM, Nick Allen wrote: Hi, 
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues Should be the place to 
report problems. Nick (OSM=Tallguy) Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team 
Member On 21 May 2015 09:25, "Suzan Reed"  
wrote: For some time I've been having problems saving when using ID. 
I don't know who to report this to. Can someone direct me the person 
or people who can fix the ID editor? Or send the following to them? 
Suzan Here are the issues: 1. After Saving edits, unlocking the 
Task, and going to another Task, a dialog box appears with two icons 
that indicates past edits have not saved, and asks if I want to 
restore the edits and save them. When saved, I believe these over 
write the last Task, doubling the images. 2. Other times another 
dialog box appears: "Errors occured while trying to save Bad 
Gateway. The proxy server received an invalid response from an 
upstream server. Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at 
www.openstreetmap.org Port 80"  (html tags have been removed for 
brevity.) When Saving after getting this kind of dialog box, the 
Save button has to be pressed several times. There can be long 
delays. Eventually the edits Save and I get the dialog that shows 
they are being saved and the blue images in the left column appear. 
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[HOT] KLL Situation Room Report

[Nirab Pudasaini]

Hi all,

Here is our situation room report for today
http://kathmandulivinglabs.org/blog/nepal-earthquake-report-from-kll-situation-room-may-22/

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Re: [HOT] Nepal HOT Activity Analysis

[Tyler Radford]

Clifford - thanks also for sharing. You'll have to thank Ari as well. This
very much demonstrates the vital (and large) collective contribution that's
made when many individual mappers make a few edits each.

Tyler

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On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Suzan Reed  wrote:

>   Beautuful works and visually informative. Hope all the new people being
> surveyed get to see it!
>
> Suzan
>
> On May 21, 2015 10:34:34 PM Clifford Snow  wrote:
>
>> A friend, Ari Simmon, attend a joint OSM/Maptime Meetup to map Nepal in
>> Seattle. She since went on to product this awesome analysis graphic of the
>> work accomplished.
>>
>>
>> https://public.tableau.com/profile/arielle.ari.simmons6630#!/vizhome/NepalEarthquakeAstudyofOSMvolunteerimpacts/StoryThelongtailofOSMvolunteering
>>
>> Clifford
>> --
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Re: [HOT] State of The Map - France, 29/30/31 May 2015, Brest

[althio]

State of the Map - France, in 7 days!

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:State_of_the_Map_France_2015
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Programme_State_of_the_Map_2015.pdf
https://sotmfr15.eventbrite.fr/

Highlights for HOTties!

Saturday afternoon track : How OSM helps humanitarian action
- with 6 talks (from HOT, CartONG, EOF, OSM-FR, universities and
collaborations with OSM-Sénégal and OSM-Burkina Faso)
- a panel (not all of them White American Males ::joke::)

Sunday morning: free workshop and discussions
- proposed topics: crisis mapathons, preparedness mapping, training & beginners.


Cheers - althio



On 6 May 2015 at 10:57, althio  wrote:
> Hi HOTties,
>
> Please find here detailed information about this upcoming event:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_of_the_Map_France_2015
>
>> The french association OpenStreetMap France is organizing the third edition 
>> of State of the Map France. The event SOTM-FR 2015 will take place in Brest 
>> (Brittany), from May 29th to May 31st 2015.
>> Brest is large city with an important military harbour located at the far 
>> west end of France. Its universities (Université de Bretagne Occidentale) 
>> are opening their facilities for SOTM-FR and excellent conditions are 
>> expected for the conferences and workshops.
>> SOTM-FR is a major event in France and is the best opportunity to meet 
>> people contributing to and using OpenStreetMap, to share experiences, make 
>> contacts, plan projects, and so on.
>> This year the theme of the conference is : What usages for the OpenStreetMap 
>> ecosystem ?
>
> Please let me know (preferably off-list) if you intend to come, get
> involved or just happen to be close by.
>
> - althio
>
>
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Re: [HOT] Database, OSM & HOT (Was: Request for information about common set of tags for HOT)

[Blake Girardot]

Hi Springfield,

Here is how I get useful thematic layers out OSM:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot/How_To_Convert_osm_.pbf_files_to_Esri_Shapefiles

And here is an example files generated through what I would guess is a 
similar process every 30 mins:


http://nepal.piensa.co/

Actually, I see they use a slightly different process with the same 
basic method, and the same software for the conversion/extraction:


https://github.com/GFDRR/osm-extract

(feedback on my thematic layers is always welcome, we want to create the 
most useful layers we can. Examples can be found in the wiki entry for 
Vanuatu typhoon response)


cheers,
Blake



On 5/22/2015 8:26 AM, Springfield Harrison wrote:

Hello John,

Thanks for your patient explanation, I'm beginning to see that OSM is a
very different flavour of GIS.  At the outset, my assumption was that it
was entirely emergency oriented.  I was puzzled by the references to
hairdressers and gymnasiums but I guess they result from a different
process.

I do think that some emergency related features such as potential
helipads, powerline crossings, towers, cable cars, landslides, glacial
lakes, emergency shelters and such like might be better left to those
with experience with those types of features.  They wouldn't necessarily
need to be experienced with OSM, just familiar with identifying those
features.  I'm surprised that there is no process for identifying and
directing the more highly qualified mappers.

I had intended to help with the helipad project but quickly became
discouraged with the less than adequate imagery and the weirdness of
leisure = common.  Merely verifying the leisure = common sites would
probably overlook lots of other qualified sites.  And how many sites
with this tag are actually sports fields as per the original intention?
Then, mapping existing helipads marked with H in a circle, might be
redundant as such official sites would probably be already mapped by a
national agency.  I would recommend that potential helipads be tagged as
aeroway = helipads_potential, verified = no.  Proper assessment of
helipads requires an oblique, 3-D view.  I attempted to introduce Google
Earth into the process but licensing fears put the kibosh on that.

I found this surprising because Google Earth does have several other
products and does make a lot of noise about community and not for profit
mapping without any references to licensing.  They appear to actively
promote user generated files being placed into the public domain.  I
have spent some time attempting to talk to them about this but the best
I could do was an e-mail.  Will advise.

Thanks again for your time on this, I'm sure you have larger fish to
fry, Cheers . . . . . . . . Spring Harrison


At 20-05-2015 12:01 Wednesday, john whelan wrote:

OSM has a page of recommended tags,
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features. Sometimes these are
used sometimes not. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/ has information
on how common a tag is and is some times used to determine which tag
should be used. This is a bottom up approach rather than the top down
approach more usual in the business world.

For example many of the mappers locally are enthusiastic cyclists but
the recommended tags for cycle paths have been formulated in Europe,
in Canada we have some cycle paths / lanes that are used for cyclists
in summer and we dump snow on them in winter. There is a local
convention for how these are tagged.

With a conventional database you usually have a client in mind and
they have specific requirements. OSM doesn't. If someone wants to
map hairdressers that's fine as far as OSM is concerned they have
contributed to the map. Locally many tags were in OSM that wouldn't
render on conventional rendering systems, no one else used the tags
and the renderers just ignored them. Many mappers have their own
personal views about how something should be tagged and have no
interest in following any other suggestions at all. It is an issue.

HOT is much more structured, we actually have clients with
requirements in mind so we map to those as best we can. Â We have
recommended tags and to a much larger extent people follow them. We
do have a lot of new mappers who may not even know about the map
features page or find that reading through more than two lines of
instructions boring. Having a two step process with validation helps
as well. However we still rely on locals on the ground mappers for
more detail and as far as I'm concerned if they want to map video
games, hairdresser, gymnastics, karate, volleyball or football fields
that's fine, they might map something else of use whilst they are
mapping or introduce someone else who might map something more useful
to us.

What the agencies like is that we can map places very quickly which is
better than no maps. Also we are very cost effective, I was going to
say cheap but that has quality implications. They can add their own
specific tags without

Re: [HOT] Database, OSM & HOT (Was: Request for information about common set of tags for HOT)

[Andreas Goss]

I see that the open, flexible nature of the tag approach has its merits
I suppose.  The enduring mystery for me is how is this information used
in a query?  But maybe I am barking up the wrong tree here, perhaps this
concept is only used for labeling features, and querying to select the
data subset is not a common task.


You mean like this?
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9wZ

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Re: [HOT] newbie needs advice

[cascafico]

Springfield Harrison wrote
>  As a 30+ year helicopter pilot, I did have some concern with the very
> skimpy helipad instructions.  In high-altitude, rugged terrain there is
> much more to locating helipads than finding a 30 m flat square of ground. 
> Is there any technical oversight by experienced pilots on this task? 
> I assume that there are no current maps for this area, just the OSM edits? 
> I did find some ASM 1950s mapping.  Is there nothing newer than that?

One of the first exercises during remote sensing lessons is closely related
to your concerns: identify potential landing spots using digital terrain
model and near infra-red imagery. It's pretty simple. I wonder why some GIS
people didn't automate that, say conditional 10° slope, slope direction,
elevation<11.000 ft and scrub free land   ...maybe no NIR data available?

JOSM crowd should be aware of the 30 m DEM TMS available since 20150506 [1]
before mapping potential landings... it's very useful, even without
vegetation data.


[1]
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/30-m-DEM-TMS-rendering-for-Nepal-td5843573.html




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Re: [HOT] Problems saving in ID

[althio]

Susan,

I have a request for you... read on ;)

Try to follow these steps:

- go to https://github.com/
- "Sign up"
- go to https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues
- try some searches to find if your problem is already reported
- if yes, maybe add a comment on the relevant thread/ticket
- if not, "New issue", add a meaningful title, report the
bug/suggestion/idea with appropriate level of details

My request:
- Please follow the above outlined process
- Please write down your actual steps in more details if needed
- Please do take screenshots
- Please please please submit please "a tutorial to report an issue in
a GitHub project" that will be added to LearnOSM, please.

Cheers,

- althio


On 22 May 2015 at 06:14, Suzan Reed  wrote:
> Nick and all,
>
> Would someone be so kind as to add the information way below to the "issues" 
> at the link Nick sent to me? I had a dickens of a time trying to provide the 
> feedback at that link, and I thought I was pretty good with stuff like that.
>
> Suzan
>
>
> On May 21, 2015, at 1:31 AM, Nick Allen wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues
>
> Should be the place to report problems.
>
> Nick
> (OSM=Tallguy)
>
> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team Member
>
> On 21 May 2015 09:25, "Suzan Reed"  wrote:
>
> For some time I've been having problems saving when using ID.
>
> I don't know who to report this to. Can someone direct me the person or 
> people who can fix the ID editor? Or send the following to them?
>
> Suzan
>
> Here are the issues:
>
> 1. After Saving edits, unlocking the Task, and going to another Task, a 
> dialog box appears with two icons that indicates past edits have not saved, 
> and asks if I want to restore the edits and save them. When saved, I believe 
> these over write the last Task, doubling the images.
>
> 2. Other times another dialog box appears:
> "Errors occured while trying to save
> Bad Gateway. The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream 
> server.
> Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at www.openstreetmap.org Port 80"  (html tags 
> have been removed for brevity.)
>
> When Saving after getting this kind of dialog box, the Save button has to be 
> pressed several times. There can be long delays. Eventually the edits Save 
> and I get the dialog that shows they are being saved and the blue images in 
> the left column appear.
>
>
>
>
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