Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

[Jo]

If you want a building squared at 45 degrees in JOSM, for some reason, you
can start with a closed way with 8 nodes, then use the circle tool.

Or you can press 'a' twice, allowing you to add the next part of a way at
15 degree angle intervals. It's possible to create really nice geometric
shapes using this method.

One has to know the tool one is working with.

When people insist on working with iD, it's necessary to tell them (over
and over again) about the importance of doing the extra step of squaring
the rectangular buildings. For one thing, it makes using JOSM's extrude
tool easier, if it's needed to improve the building.

I understand that, as a validator, it's extremely tedious to square all
those buildings, even when using the todo plugin and pressing ]q]q]q]q]q]
hundreds of times. You could invalidate the tiles which contain mostly
unsquared buildings. Or you could just leave them alone, post a remark to
the user and validate the tile anyway. Better that than becoming burned out
as a validator.

I've been trying to get people to understand how much work it is to
validate their tiles, when buildings are not squared by creating
screencasts and posting a link to it in the comment field. This was rather
effective, but it still is rather time consuming and there are always new
users coming in, which, for some reason, were not trained with JOSM the
power tool, but with iD instead.

Anyway, those screencasts were also meant as a way to show people the
advantages of using JOSM, but I don't know if I have been very successful
at getting them to start using it. It's hard to make people switch to
something new, which is why I'll be teaching only JOSM, this Saturday (also
because I don't know iD all that well, ofc). I failed to follow up, as I
moved on to other projects that gave me more satisfaction (as a validator).

Polyglot

2016-04-14 4:15 GMT+02:00 Suzan Reed :

> How about showing people how to map a building and square it right at the
> beginning of mapping? It’s all one motion for me.
>
> Just a suggestion!
>
> Suzan
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Clifford Snow 
> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:52 PM, john whelan 
> wrote:
> Seeing 200 unsquared buildings by one mapper on a tile makes me think they
> weren't using JOSM and the building-tool.  I could be wrong, the same
> mapper also left behind three area=yes squares that just happened to be the
> same as a building image.  Again it is perfectly possible to do this in
> JOSM to draw such a shape and tag it area=yes, though why anyone with JOSM
> and the building_tool plugin would do such a thing I can't imagine.
>
> I'm asking a pragmatic question given that I'm seeing so many unsquared
> buildings when validating is it essential they be squared?  and if so how
> do we get squared buildings?
>
> From my experience with hosting Missing Maps and HOT mapathons many of the
> mappers are first time contributors. We try to get them mapping as quickly
> as possible. After a period of time we introduce new techniques, such as
> squaring buildings and copy paste. The behavior you observed may be the
> lack of training. If its possible to find out if the mapper attended an
> event and if so who organized it to give gentle constructive feedback to
> the host. (Hopefully it wasn't one of ours)
>
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Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

[Suzan Reed]

How about showing people how to map a building and square it right at the 
beginning of mapping? It’s all one motion for me. 

Just a suggestion! 

Suzan 


On Apr 13, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Clifford Snow  wrote:


On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:52 PM, john whelan  wrote:
Seeing 200 unsquared buildings by one mapper on a tile makes me think they 
weren't using JOSM and the building-tool.  I could be wrong, the same mapper 
also left behind three area=yes squares that just happened to be the same as a 
building image.  Again it is perfectly possible to do this in JOSM to draw such 
a shape and tag it area=yes, though why anyone with JOSM and the building_tool 
plugin would do such a thing I can't imagine.

I'm asking a pragmatic question given that I'm seeing so many unsquared 
buildings when validating is it essential they be squared?  and if so how do we 
get squared buildings?

From my experience with hosting Missing Maps and HOT mapathons many of the 
mappers are first time contributors. We try to get them mapping as quickly as 
possible. After a period of time we introduce new techniques, such as squaring 
buildings and copy paste. The behavior you observed may be the lack of 
training. If its possible to find out if the mapper attended an event and if so 
who organized it to give gentle constructive feedback to the host. (Hopefully 
it wasn't one of ours)

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Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

[Clifford Snow]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:52 PM, john whelan  wrote:

> Seeing 200 unsquared buildings by one mapper on a tile makes me think they
> weren't using JOSM and the building-tool.  I could be wrong, the same
> mapper also left behind three area=yes squares that just happened to be the
> same as a building image.  Again it is perfectly possible to do this in
> JOSM to draw such a shape and tag it area=yes, though why anyone with JOSM
> and the building_tool plugin would do such a thing I can't imagine.
>
> I'm asking a pragmatic question given that I'm seeing so many unsquared
> buildings when validating is it essential they be squared?  and if so how
> do we get squared buildings?
>

>From my experience with hosting Missing Maps and HOT mapathons many of the
mappers are first time contributors. We try to get them mapping as quickly
as possible. After a period of time we introduce new techniques, such as
squaring buildings and copy paste. The behavior you observed may be the
lack of training. If its possible to find out if the mapper attended an
event and if so who organized it to give gentle constructive feedback to
the host. (Hopefully it wasn't one of ours)

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Re: [HOT] Tagging highways in semi-urban areas in Malawi

[Suzan Reed]

I do a fair amount of mapping in Africa, and I would map those as 
highway=unclassified. Vehicles can drive roads 2 m or so in a 4 x 4 or a 
motorcycle-truck. Many wider roads there have huge ruts and they are drivable. 
Look on Youtube for examples of driving in that part of Africa and the kinds of 
vehicles used and how they are modified. 

Also, a residential area in parts of Africa may have fields between and be 
scattered, but people still consider themselves part of a Residential Area. I 
look at the larger area and then decide. It can be helpful to tag a Residential 
Area as then people might get more aid than if they are single residences. 

Knowing something of the culture and the way people live in a certain place can 
be helpful. Google images and Youtube videos for more information on where you 
are mapping. What would be a path where I live would be a major road in other 
places in the world. 

In iD the tag is now highway=Minor Road/Unclassified. In JOSM it’s still 
highway=unclassified. Looks different in both, too. 

HTH

Cheers! 

Suzan 


On Apr 13, 2016, at 3:55 PM, john whelan  wrote:

If you look at the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa 
my understanding is if you can drive a 4x4 down it its at least a 
highway=unclassified and you'd be surprised where I can drive a 4x4.

Definitely not a track, and I'm not quite sure that I agree with your 
definition of less than 2 m wide is a always a path.  Is it the wet season or 
dry season when the image was taken?

Having said that provided something is there then I think the locals on the 
ground will eventually retag the highways to something more meaningful.

Cheerio John

On 13 April 2016 at 18:45, Martin Hibbert  wrote:
Could you take a look at 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=17/-9.91903/33.89645 (part of 
http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1641 Malawi).
I wouldn't describe the area as residential as the buildings are too scattered 
and there are cultivated fields in between.

You will see there are some obvious highway=unclassified (wide roads linking 
areas of population). Also some obvious highway=path (less than 2m wide) 
between groups of buildings. 

But I am unsure how best to tag the smaller highways (2m wide or more, and so 
accessible for a vehicle) between some of these groups of buildings. Presumably 
not highway=track, as we are told that is for access to farmland.

Would highway=service be sensible?

What do others do? 

Thanks
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Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

[john whelan]

I accept that buildings can be squared in iD.  I'm at the rear of the horse
if you like, I'm just looking at the results.  I try to stay away from
validating projects with buildings because it would appear that many of the
maperthon mappers are not squaring their buildings.

Seeing 200 unsquared buildings by one mapper on a tile makes me think they
weren't using JOSM and the building-tool.  I could be wrong, the same
mapper also left behind three area=yes squares that just happened to be the
same as a building image.  Again it is perfectly possible to do this in
JOSM to draw such a shape and tag it area=yes, though why anyone with JOSM
and the building_tool plugin would do such a thing I can't imagine.

I'm asking a pragmatic question given that I'm seeing so many unsquared
buildings when validating is it essential they be squared?  and if so how
do we get squared buildings?

Cheerio John

On 13 April 2016 at 19:42, Clifford Snow  wrote:

>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:09 PM, john whelan 
> wrote:
>
>> If it absolutely essential fine but if not can we just accept some
>> slanting buildings when iD has been used?  and if they're really essential
>> can we set the mappers up with a decent tool such as JOSM and the building
>> tool plugin?
>
>
> John,
> You can square a building in iD. In my opinion it does a better job than
> JOSM. JOSM is limited to 90 degree angles, where iD can do 45 degree
> angles.
>
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Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

[Clifford Snow]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:09 PM, john whelan  wrote:

> If it absolutely essential fine but if not can we just accept some
> slanting buildings when iD has been used?  and if they're really essential
> can we set the mappers up with a decent tool such as JOSM and the building
> tool plugin?


John,
You can square a building in iD. In my opinion it does a better job than
JOSM. JOSM is limited to 90 degree angles, where iD can do 45 degree
angles.

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[HOT] Squared buildings

[john whelan]

How essential are they?

They're fairly easy to square in JOSM with q or to drop in correctly with
the building_tool plug in but I'm seeing perhaps 30% of buildings not
squared on some projects and to be honest by the time I've inspected the
image and sorted it out I could have mapped the building from scratch with
JOSM's building tool plugin.

If it absolutely essential fine but if not can we just accept some slanting
buildings when iD has been used?  and if they're really essential can we
set the mappers up with a decent tool such as JOSM and the building tool
plugin?

There is a temptation when validating to select buildings with nodes less
than 7 then just hit q.  You lose a bit of accuracy on the imagery but you
do get square buildings of approximately the right size in the right
place.  Would that be considered an acceptable method of working?

I seem to recall recently someone mentioning a bootable USB stick than had
a version of UNIX and JAVA and JOSM on it.  Could we mass produce these for
Building maperthons?

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Re: [HOT] Tagging highways in semi-urban areas in Malawi

[john whelan]

If you look at the wiki
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa my understanding is
if you can drive a 4x4 down it its at least a highway=unclassified and
you'd be surprised where I can drive a 4x4.

Definitely not a track, and I'm not quite sure that I agree with your
definition of less than 2 m wide is a always a path.  Is it the wet season
or dry season when the image was taken?

Having said that provided something is there then I think the locals on the
ground will eventually retag the highways to something more meaningful.

Cheerio John

On 13 April 2016 at 18:45, Martin Hibbert  wrote:

> Could you take a look at
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=17/-9.91903/33.89645 (part of
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1641 Malawi).
> I wouldn't describe the area as residential as the buildings are too
> scattered and there are cultivated fields in between.
>
> You will see there are some obvious highway=unclassified (wide roads
> linking areas of population). Also some obvious highway=path (less than 2m
> wide) between groups of buildings.
>
> But I am unsure how best to tag the smaller highways (2m wide or more, and
> so accessible for a vehicle) between some of these groups of buildings.
> Presumably not highway=track, as we are told that is for access to farmland.
>
> Would highway=service be sensible?
>
> What do others do?
>
> Thanks
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Re: [HOT] 200 mappers need validators this Saturday

[john whelan]

I've been validating on 1669 a project that is roads only, there was a
second project was buildings only in the same area and I've just come
across something like fifty double mapped buildings.  In the normal event
I'd just choose a mapper name of the two and zap them but these seem very
mixed.  Some buildings are double mapped, some either one or the other plus
there are a mixture of mapper names as well.   I suspect someone has opened
a tile then mapped for more than two hours continued to map and a second
mapper has picked up the tile.  Anyway its taking longer to clean up and
validate, more to the point its wasting mapper resources.

A general suggestion to all maperthon organisers please can you get
everyone to save and close their tile after an hour or so then reopen it to
avoid this problem.

Thanks John

On 13 April 2016 at 15:20, joost schouppe  wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> The task is basically identical to the other Swaziland tasks (check e.g.
> 1576). Focus is mapping all buildings.
>
> So major challenges will probably be having straight corners and not
> having area=yes only polygons.
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[HOT] Tagging highways in semi-urban areas in Malawi

[Martin Hibbert]

Could you take a look at 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=17/-9.91903/33.89645 (part of 
http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1641 Malawi).
I wouldn't describe the area as residential as the buildings are too 
scattered and there are cultivated fields in between.


You will see there are some obvious highway=unclassified (wide roads 
linking areas of population). Also some obvious highway=path (less than 
2m wide) between groups of buildings.


But I am unsure how best to tag the smaller highways (2m wide or more, 
and so accessible for a vehicle) between some of these groups of 
buildings. Presumably not highway=track, as we are told that is for 
access to farmland.


Would highway=service be sensible?

What do others do?

Thanks
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Re: [HOT] 200 mappers need validators this Saturday

[joost schouppe]

Hi John,

The task is basically identical to the other Swaziland tasks (check e.g.
1576). Focus is mapping all buildings.

So major challenges will probably be having straight corners and not having
area=yes only polygons.
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Re: [HOT] 200 mappers need validators this Saturday

[john whelan]

What are you mapping?  1774 doesn't seem to be available to take a look at
and I like to look at the project before deciding whether to validate or
not.

Thanks

Cheerio John

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>
> As some of you may already know, we're having quite the mapathon in
> Belgium this Saturday. At seven universities simultaneously, we'll be
> working on the upcoming buildings task for Swaziland, number 1774.
>
> Experienced mappers will give the mapping introduction, two of them are
> even HOT members. And we will hand out prints [1]. But of course, mappers
> can still go wrong and speedy intervention would be extremely useful.
>
> We'll try and set up a common IRC channel during the event, we will post
> that in this thread.
>
> The event will start at 10 am CET and mapping should last till about 4 pm.
>
>
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Re: [HOT] 200 mappers need validators this Saturday

[joost schouppe]

Minor update: I uploaded the instruction documents to wikisend (which
allows account-less download):

 http://wikisend.com/download/728856/instructions.zip
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[HOT] 200 mappers need validators this Saturday

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

As some of you may already know, we're having quite the mapathon in Belgium
this Saturday. At seven universities simultaneously, we'll be working on
the upcoming buildings task for Swaziland, number 1774.

Experienced mappers will give the mapping introduction, two of them are
even HOT members. And we will hand out prints [1]. But of course, mappers
can still go wrong and speedy intervention would be extremely useful.

We'll try and set up a common IRC channel during the event, we will post
that in this thread.

The event will start at 10 am CET and mapping should last till about 4 pm.


1: The "instructions" documents in this folder:
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Re: [HOT] 7M Earthquake in Myanmar

[Chad Blevins]

Here is a link to the USGS PAGER alert.




On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Henning Bolz  wrote:

> Current Information from GFZ:
> http://geofon.gfz-potsdam.de/eqinfo/event.php?from=rss=gfz2016hhgj
>
> F-E Region:  
> *Myanmar-India
> Border Region* [image: Mw Beach Ball]
> 
> Time: *2016-04-13 13:55:17.8 UTC*
> Magnitude: *6.9 (Mw)*
> Epicenter: *94.83°E  23.08°N*
> Depth: *136 km*
> Status: *M - manually revised*
>
>
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 13. April 2016 um 17:28 Uhr
> *Von:* "Pratik Gautam" 
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> *Betreff:* [HOT] 7M Earthquake in Myanmar
> Hi HOT,
>
> There was a 7M earthquake in Myanmar an hour ago. The shaking was felt
> here in Kathmandu too. Any updates on the situation in Myanmar and
> surrounding?
>
> Thanks
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Re: [HOT] 7M Earthquake in Myanmar

[Henning Bolz]

Current Information from GFZ: http://geofon.gfz-potsdam.de/eqinfo/event.php?from=rss=gfz2016hhgj

 



	
		
			F-E Region:
			Myanmar-India Border Region
			
			
			
		
		
			Time:
			2016-04-13 13:55:17.8 UTC
		
		
			Magnitude:
			6.9 (Mw)
		
		
			Epicenter:
			94.83°E  23.08°N
		
		
			Depth:
			136 km
		
		
			Status:
			M - manually revised
		
	



 
 

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. April 2016 um 17:28 Uhr
Von: "Pratik Gautam" 
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Betreff: [HOT] 7M Earthquake in Myanmar


Hi HOT,
 

There was a 7M earthquake in Myanmar an hour ago. The shaking was felt here in Kathmandu too. Any updates on the situation in Myanmar and surrounding?

 

Thanks


 
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Re: [HOT] 7M Earthquake in Myanmar

[Russell Deffner]

Hi Pratik,

Thank you for the heads-up; I’ll tune-in and spark-up the conversation with the 
HOT Activation working group.

 

Anyone with more information (especially local) please feel free to email 
activat...@hotosm.org

=Russ

 

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  http://hotosm.org

 

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Hi HOT,

 

There was a 7M earthquake in Myanmar an hour ago. The shaking was felt here in 
Kathmandu too. Any updates on the situation in Myanmar and surrounding?

 

Thanks

 

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Re: [HOT] 7M Earthquake in Myanmar

[Ahasanul Hoque]

Hi Pratik,
We felt tremor here in Dhaka too and got panicked. So far, no damage
reported.

Take care

Ahasan

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, Pratik Gautam  wrote:

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>
> There was a 7M earthquake in Myanmar an hour ago. The shaking was felt
> here in Kathmandu too. Any updates on the situation in Myanmar and
> surrounding?
>
> Thanks
>
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[HOT] 7M Earthquake in Myanmar

[Pratik Gautam]

Hi HOT,

There was a 7M earthquake in Myanmar an hour ago. The shaking was felt here
in Kathmandu too. Any updates on the situation in Myanmar and surrounding?

Thanks

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Re: [HOT] Mapping party in Barcelona

[Rafael Avila Coya]

Hi:

Sorry for replying late. I am in RDC now and yesterday evening internet 
wasn't working at all.


It's a real pity that, unless a miracle, I won't be able to be in 
Barcelona. I have my return ticket for that date exactly (arriving next 
day), although it's possible that I have to stay here a week more or so. 
What I pity, as I would be extremely happy to help in Barcelona!!! (and 
meet Jo!!).


Cheers, and if you need any help I can give, just tell me and I will see 
what I can do,


Rafael.

On 12/04/16 14:24, Pete Masters wrote:

Apologies It's on the 28th April and at the


  Universitat Pompeu Fabra 


Eventbrite will be out tomorrow and I will share it here...

Jo, I'll get back to you offlist shortly

Cheers,

Pete

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Nick Allen > wrote:

Hi Pete,

It's probably in the message and I've missed it,  but do you have
the date please?

Regards

Nick (OSM=Tallguy)
my phone is responsible for any spelling mistakes!

On 12 Apr 2016 10:06, "Pete Masters" > wrote:

Hi all, just a quick one...

MSF Spain are hosting their first Missing Maps mapping party in
a few weeks in Barcelona and they'd like to invite the local HOT
/ OSM community to come.

If any of you guys are in or near Barcelona and fancy coming, or
have contacts who you think might be interested, please email me
and I'll put you in touch

This is an exciting time for MSF, HOT and OSM collaboration. As
well as MSF Spain, MSF France are now running events with
CartONG, and MSF Belgium are currently partnering with OSM
Belgium and HOT on hosting their first event in June.

I'd like to express our thanks to the HOT and OSM communities
for the excellent work they are doing to help MSF in their
operational work! It really is much appreciated If you have
any feedback for us, please do let me know.

Cheers,

Pete

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