Re: [HOT] Mailing List Code of Conduct

[Clifford Snow]

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 7:45 AM Can Unen  wrote:

> Hello everybody, I'm writing to carry a conversation in HOTOSM membership
> lists to here, hoping to kick-off a discussion and maybe reach a consensus.
>
> A couple of days ago Mikel had asked about the governing code of conduct
> for this mailing list, and the initial thought was to assume the HOT CoC
>  should be it. But the thing is,
> this list is operated and maintained by OSMF, and the Community CoC Draft
> 
> and OSMF Communication Guidelines
>  seem
> to cover the mailing list as well, but they seem to be outdated, and
> unmaintained for some time.
>
> Do you think a CoC need to be adopted in the mailing list, and how?
>
> In such case, would a consensus in the list be sufficient for this, or
> should there be a decision from the OSMF board?
>

Can,
I'm on the US Chapter's CoC committee. The Chapter formally adopted a CoC
this year. US centric mailing list moderators were invited to opt in to
having their lists covered by the CoC. If you look at wiki [1] you can see
which lists are covered by a CoC with a link back to the CoC.

I would encourage HOT to do something similar. It does not need approval
from OSMF. Especially since OSMF only has etiquette guidelines with no
means to handle complaints.

Best,
Clifford


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[HOT] Hurricane Michael Tasks for the Florida Panhandle

[Clifford Snow]

For all those interested in helping efforts in the Florida Panhandle, I
have three tasks on the US Chapter's Tasking Manager:

   - Task 85 - Bay County FL Roads
   - Task 87 Franklin County MS Building Import
   - Task 90 Bay County FL Building and Address Import.

Just head over to https://tasks.openstreetmap.us/ and pick a task. I'll be
around most of this weekend to answer any questions.

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Re: [HOT] Leaving my Missing Maps job

[Clifford Snow]

Pete,
Thanks for all your efforts to make Missing Maps a great resource and
congratulations on your new job.

Best,
Clifford Snow

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Pete Masters <pedrito1...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

> Hello all, I hope you are well...
>
> Apologies for using the mailing list to send a personal message, but I
> feel like (and hope) it isn't inappropriate.
>
> My time as coordinator for Missing Maps at MSF is coming to an end - last
> week I accepted a new position within MSF working on innovation process and
> how we better approach field problems and opportunities. I wanted to let
> this community know personally for a few different reasons
>
> Firstly, to say thanks for the education. It has been an absolute pleasure
> to work with such a varied bunch of dedicated, passionate and clever
> people. I have been an MSF fanboy for a long time and I am now a HOT and
> OSM fanboy too. My job over the past two and a half years has been to try,
> as much as possible, to find the overlaps and opportunities between these
> two (very different) organisations and communities. As I hope you have
> noticed, I have tried to connect the dots between what the HOT and Missing
> Maps community can do for MSF and the impact that that volunteering has on
> real people (both our staff in the field and our patients).  What you
> probably don't know is that I also evangelise HOT / OSM within MSF - not
> just for the mapping, but for the principles of openness and teamwork and
> sharing that make mapping and collaborating on such a scale possible.
>
> Secondly, because you should know that what you have accomplished during
> this past two and a half years through HOT activations and Missing Maps
> projects is pretty unprecedented in MSF. Operational people and medical
> people within MSF now *expect* to be able to rely on Missing Maps and HOT
> to deliver data for decision making in the places we work. The quality of
> your work and the dedication you show (often at very short notice) has
> taken the project from a suspiciously viewed, disruptive, unorthodox and
> often misunderstood project in MSF into a tool that the people delivering
> aid on the ground value and want. That's huge.
>
> Thirdly, I appreciate that there are massive challenges ahead. Discussion
> started by Fred on validation is high up that list. As is the scale of the
> supply and demand from organisations like MSF. As is how we leverage the
> data these organisations are collecting on the ground as part of their
> day-to-day to enrich the OSM database (but including how we do that in a
> resposible and sustainable way). I have no doubt that together we (I fully
> intend to stay a part of the HOT community despite the change in day job)
> can address these challenges and whatever comes after. I would like to
> offer this opportunity to feed back to me any thoughts you may have on the
> future of Missing Maps and MSF or any other feedback you may have.
>
> Lastly, there is going to be a very cool job available at MSF UK. Not an
> easy job by any means (the phrase jack of all trades doesn't do it
> justice), but a massively fulfilling one. Knowing the talent available
> amongst you, I'd strongly encourage you to take a look when the job is
> advertised.
>
> That's it really. It's not goodbye by any means and I look forward to
> continuing these discussions beyond the end of my MSF Missing Maps job...
> Apologies for the lack of brevity!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pete
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Re: [HOT] A project that needs validators and very experienced mappers

[Clifford Snow]

I passed the request along to a local Costa Rica Mapper. Sure be nice if we
could get some cloud free imagery. I've drive some of the area in the task
area, but not that familiar.

Clifford

On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Blake Girardot  wrote:

> I created a project that is all about validation.
>
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2352
>
> It is for the road network of the most affected areas from Tropical Storm
> Otto.
>
> The local osm community has asked us to help in some way to improve
> their map data as soon as possible. They are GIS skilled folks who
> know how to use osm data in real life.
>
> We need validators to basically do road network validation + some
> major road (tertiary and above) filling in.
>
> Disaster response folks are using another source for their geographic
> data in that area. But as I said, there is an experienced, skilled osm
> community in Costa Rica that are working to get OSM data wider
> exposure so said it is worth it to them to still do a project like
> this to improve the OSM data in the most affected region..
>
> This sort of project is also one that goes well with routing
> applications, fixing the low hanging fruit or really easy road fixes
> has a great impact on the usability of OSM routing in disaster areas.
> We have talked about seeing how we might make projects like this more
> standard pre-disaster phase for weather related disasters.
>
> It also gives validators a great over view of an area that might be
> coming up more as other building-only type projects so can identify
> issues the project creator missed early, if any.
>
> Please, if you are a validtor, let us see what we can do with this
> project and your feedback is encouraged.
>
> So lets see what validators, experienced josm users and the road
> mapping enthusiasts can do here!
>
> Validators: I know this takes away from validating new users mapping,
> which is a critical part of your work, but if you could find a few
> minutes to just validate the road data in one task square (they are
> big) I think it would really help Costa Rica OSM and OSM in general.
>
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2352
>
> Validators can get support for this project in HOT IRC or the HOT
> Slack linked below.
>
> Regards,
> Blake
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Re: [HOT] Fwd: [OSM-talk] local community builders, unite?

[Clifford Snow]

Heather,
Did you intend to provide a link to an articale on Local Communities?

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Heather Leson 
wrote:

> HI, this article on Local Communities may be of interest
>
> heather
>
> Heather Leson
> heatherle...@gmail.com
> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson
> Blog: textontechs.com
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: joost schouppe 
> Date: Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:40 AM
> Subject: [OSM-talk] local community builders, unite?
> To: Talk Openstreetmap 
>
>
> Hi,
>
> It took me a while, but based on all the input we got for the Local
> Communities Panel at State of the Map Brussels, I wrote a diary [1] entry
> on building local mapping communities. I focused on the stuff the people
> who couldn't make it to SotM contributed.
>
> It has two main subjects:
> - sharing what has (or hasn't) worked for us
> - stuff that the global community could really help us with
>
> Even though I got some positive feedback at the diary page and on twitter
> [2], I'm afraid something like this will have very little impact unless we
> follow up on it.
>
> At the Local Chapters congress during SotM Brussels, it was quite clear
> that a lot of people did have the energy to keep stuff like this visible.
> But where are you now? How can we keep working together?
>
> For the sharing experience part, I suppose we should build in the wiki.
> For the needed features, I think we need to be able to make some
> propositions as some sort of group. And for that, we'd need some kind of
> channel. Any suggestions?
>
>
>
>
> [1]: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/diary/39876
> [2]: https://twitter.com/pascal_n/status/798214962879471616
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Re: [HOT] How AI applied to HighRes Satellite Imagery can help OSM Mappers?

[Clifford Snow]

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Laura O'Grady  wrote:

> This is the link [1] to the presentation from Facebook at SOTM that I'm
> referring to. For some reason it's not in the YT videos [2] from the
> conference.
>

Unfortunately Facebook did not give us permission to record their talk.

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Re: [HOT] scrolling round the map in JOSM on a Mac

[Clifford Snow]

Two finger drag also works.

But the number 1 solution - Use a Mouse...

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Mike Thompson  wrote:

> It's been awhile, but I think this works:
> http://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/mac/how-right-click-on-mac-3610351/
>
> (hold down the ctrl key and click)
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM, john whelan 
> wrote:
>
>> There's no right hand mouse button apparently so how do people do it?
>>
>> Thanks John
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Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

[Clifford Snow]

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 3:16 PM, john whelan  wrote:

> So your suggestion on how to deal with the existing poorly mapped
> buildings would be?


1. Determine the cause(s) of the poorly mapped buildings. Do we need more
helpers in MM mapathons? The last one I did, we had a number of new
mappers. Those of us helping were stretched just answering questions. Not
being able to spend time going over people work. And yes - we did teach
squaring buildings. We also recommended people bring a mouse to the
session. One of our team brought extra for people to use and I even lent
mine out. Drawing features without a mouse is difficult. We've even
suggested to Red Cross that they have a bag of mice to lend during MM
events.

2. Validation - either invalidate or fix.

Step 1 is the preferable route but if people are working on their own or
the turnout makes one on one assistance impossible, then it should be fixed
in the validation step.

Best,
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Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

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On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Dale Kunce  wrote:

> I agree with Mike. This is part training, which I think we all strive to
> do a good job on. I know all the Missing Maps one stress the need to square
> buildings. It's frustrating to watch new mappers try and square stuff to
> not have it work. Simply saying they weren't trained enough is not a good
> enough answer and is short sighted for the vast majority of new mappers.


+1

My old quality training would indicate that we have a system problem.


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Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

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On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:52 PM, john whelan  wrote:

> Seeing 200 unsquared buildings by one mapper on a tile makes me think they
> weren't using JOSM and the building-tool.  I could be wrong, the same
> mapper also left behind three area=yes squares that just happened to be the
> same as a building image.  Again it is perfectly possible to do this in
> JOSM to draw such a shape and tag it area=yes, though why anyone with JOSM
> and the building_tool plugin would do such a thing I can't imagine.
>
> I'm asking a pragmatic question given that I'm seeing so many unsquared
> buildings when validating is it essential they be squared?  and if so how
> do we get squared buildings?
>

>From my experience with hosting Missing Maps and HOT mapathons many of the
mappers are first time contributors. We try to get them mapping as quickly
as possible. After a period of time we introduce new techniques, such as
squaring buildings and copy paste. The behavior you observed may be the
lack of training. If its possible to find out if the mapper attended an
event and if so who organized it to give gentle constructive feedback to
the host. (Hopefully it wasn't one of ours)

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Re: [HOT] Squared buildings

[Clifford Snow]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:09 PM, john whelan  wrote:

> If it absolutely essential fine but if not can we just accept some
> slanting buildings when iD has been used?  and if they're really essential
> can we set the mappers up with a decent tool such as JOSM and the building
> tool plugin?


John,
You can square a building in iD. In my opinion it does a better job than
JOSM. JOSM is limited to 90 degree angles, where iD can do 45 degree
angles.

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Re: [HOT] Mapathon - Newspaper Article

[Clifford Snow]

Nice!

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Mike Thompson  wrote:

> The local newspaper in Laramie Wyoming (U.S.) did a story on the mapathon
> we held there last week:
>
>
> http://www.laramieboomerang.com/news/local_news/volunteers-create-maps-online-to-aid-disaster-relief/article_a253eb5a-ea65-11e5-8efc-0f795123a1f7.html
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Re: [HOT] survey to evaluate the effectiveness of using OSM

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On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Rieger, Courtney  wrote:

>
> Have you used OpenStreetMap before?
>
> Yes  No   I’m not sure
>
> In your opinion, is OpenStreetMap easy to use?
>
> Yes  No   I’m not sure
>
> In your opinion, is OpenStreetMap engaging?
>
> Yes  No   I’m not sure
>
> Do you think OpenStreetMap is an effective tool for you to participate in
> mapping your community?
>
> Yes  No   I’m not sure
>
> Do you think having a map of Fernie showing your house together with
> possible flooding events is a good tool for communicating the hazard of
> floods?
>
> Yes  No   I’m not sure
>
>
> Any input would be very valuable thank you!
>

I assume that the survey will go out after they used OSM's editor. I that
case I'd change the scale to 1-5. For the question "In your opinion, is OSM
easy to use?" 1 = Not at all easy to 5 = Extremely easy to use.

The second thing I'd recommend is to figure out how you plan to use the
information. For example, if people rate easy to use a 1, Not at all easy,
what will you do with the information. A follow up question might be
helpful to figure out why they feel that way. Poor internet would be a
different fix than not understanding the UI.

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Re: [HOT] Accra Metropolitan Assembly GIS Data Release for OSM, Help

[Clifford Snow]

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com
wrote:

 After the recent floods in Accra, seems it might speed up the release of
 Accra GIS data (including, street names, house numbers, etc) under open
 license for import into OSM and use by the general public by the Accra
 Metropolitan Assembly (AMA). Thanks to the World Bank.

 Why am I sending this message?

 I know HOT well as I am a member myself. Kindly advice us on what and what
 to do. Who to talk to here.

 Currently the OSM community in Ghana is not say big , even though some
 natives map they don't know about communities and HOT. That was one reason
 I decided to start OpenStreetMap Ghana[1] to bring mappers together. I was
 able to connect with few active mappers thanks to changeset history and OSM
 messages we're doing our very best.


If you are considering importing the data check out the import guidelines
[1] found on the wiki. Basically the guidelines are there to insure we only
import data that is properly licensed, is suitable for import, the local
community is in agreement, and the tags being imported are appropriate. Use
the import guidelines to build the import wiki page and then announce the
import on the import mailing list.

One of the more import aspects in any import is to have the community
behind it. Plus you can use the import as a tools to build your community.
The community can also check the validity of the data. Just because it is
from an official source doesn't mean it is perfect. Most likely there
will be errors.

Looking forward to seeing your import announced on the import list.

Good luck,
Clifford

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Re: [HOT] step by step recipe for iD bug reporting

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On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com
wrote:

   That sounds like we're getting closer to a solution, and
 putting it under Instructions makes sense. It would be even
 better if there were a button, labeled Report a Problem somewhere
 in the Tasking Manager. (something for the future)
 I would just write a draft Problem Report myself, but
 I don't know what those who would fix a problem would need to
 know, except the obvious stuff:

 User Name:
 Date:
 Time (with your time zone):
 Task Number:
  (Actually there are two, the big task and the little square
 they were working on. Too bad we can't capture this automatically)
 Operating system (?):
 Computer brand (?):


Charlotte,
Are we talking about two types of problems. One is an iD bug another is a
problem with either the Tasking Manager or a task? For the TM related, we
could ask for an enhancement to TM to allow people to submit TM bugs. For
iD related issues, capturing the iD version and operating system should be
do able. It is already captured on the changeset.

For JOSM bugs, creating a new issue is more complex. If I remember
correctly, the user has to capture some system/java info to attach to the
report.

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Re: [HOT] step by step recipe for iD bug reporting (was: Problems saving in ID)

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On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Carl von Einem c...@einem.net wrote:

 1. on the upper left is a search bar (Search GitHub): type 'iD' and
 click enter on your keyboard

 2. in the list of search results click on openstreetmap/iD (should be
 the first item)

 3. click on Issues (navigation bar on the right)


At this point search to see if the bug has already been reported by adding
key words in the filter text box and hit enter. If no open issues are
found, then proceed to step 4. Otherwise enter any relevant information
into the existing issue.


 4. click on New issue (green button)

 5. choose a good title and write your problem description

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Re: [HOT] step by step recipe for iD bug reporting

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On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com
wrote:

   Right. It should be clarified.
  Problem with iD or JSOM
 As for what else is needed, that is up to those who know how to
 fix either. Maybe the button above should lead to two choices: iD or
 JOSM, at which point the appropriate questionnaire appears.
 Does JOSM include a way to report issues? To my knowledge, iD
 does not. Clearly they need to be separate.


JOSM bugs are reported on the josm.openstreetmap.de website. One the main
JOSM page are the instructions:

Found a bug? | Have an idea? | Make a suggestion?

http://josm.openstreetmap.de/#Bugs

   - Please report any bug found: Create a new ticket
  http://josm.openstreetmap.de/newticket using the Report Bug
  http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Action/ReportBug entry in
  the main menu Help http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Menu/Help.
  Alternatively, the same function is available under About
  http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Action/About and Show status
  report
  http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Action/ShowStatusReport.
  - Discuss ideas and suggestions also in the bug tracker
  http://josm.openstreetmap.de/newticket, on the ​josm-dev
  https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev mailing list, or
  on the ​#josm IRC channel.

JOSM is sold as an advanced editor which might give the impress that
someone steps up from iD to JSOM. From what I've seen on HOT, for some
tasks it is the preferred editor which means that new mappers are using
JOSM. If they come from an open source, ie linux, background I don't see
any real roadblocks to creating bug reports. But for the vast majority it
is somewhat intimidating. One solution is to report the bug on the Tasking
Manager for the task owner to verify. If it is a bug, the task owner
reports the bug on the josm website. That allows the owner to triage the
reports to make sure that they weed out user/training issues.

I'm inclined to suggest modifying the TM interface to include these issues.
What does everyone else think?

Clifford

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Re: [HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?

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On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 3:55 PM, kusala nine kusa...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I noticed one of these too in the region of Gorkha. Maybe someone has bulk
 uploaded hospital locations and some are incorrect or imprecise. I deleted
 one when doing #1024 as it was in the middle of nowhere... Maybe worth
 extracting and validating them as a one-off job. I seem to remember seeing
 an email thread about unverified hospital locations but can't find it
 now anyone else know?


There was a shapefile with health facilities of Nepal. Many of the nodes
were in the middle of no where. So were nearby health facilities already in
OSM but many were not. I recommended not importing the data. I also believe
that there was questionable license associated with the file. I'm unable to
find the data and may have deleted it already.

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Re: [HOT] Date of a mapped feature?

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On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Chris Braun braun...@gmail.com wrote:

 Am I the only one who believes this issue is very important and should be
 dealt with?
 Maybe it's more a mid/long term issue: while we can guess that everything
 which is mapped today in Nepal is very recent because of the effort and
 wide participation triggered following the earthquake, if another
 catastrophe happens in a few years in the same region and the mapping
 effort restarts, rescue teams will have no clue to know whether what they
 see on the map dates back from the post 2015 earthquake or was mapped
 following the second catastrophe. This is a real problem, no? And of course
 this does not only apply for Nepal.

 At least if would be good to systematically tag the date of the imagery
 when it is known (Bing), and maybe try to find some strategy to give an
 estimate date (base on changesets for instance) for other imagery where the
 exact date is unknown.

 What do you (experienced users of OSM) think of this?


Chris,
It is not as simple as what is the date of the image since different zoom
levels can and often do have different dates. I may be at different zoom
levels when adding in a feature. Sometimes getting up close helps, while
other times stepping back helps. All while adding the same feature. That
isn't so say that it may not be helpful.

Knowing the image source date is really helpful. As I said above, different
zoom levels can be from different dates. When adding a feature, you
obviously want the most current, but if one of the images is from MapBox
you have no idea of when the image was taken. One solution is to do an on
site survey to figure out what it looks like today.

I would suggest submitting an enhancement request to the iD, Potlatch and
JOSM developers asking them to capture the data. That may involve capturing
dates for each zoom level. You would also need to ask MapBox to have their
supplier include that information on the raster tile.

It seems like a worthwhile effort. I'd be interested in what others think.

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Re: [HOT] map hackathon at SFSU

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On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote:

 We are looking to host a mapping hackathon at San Francisco State
 University in the next few days for the #NepalEarthquake effort. I am
 fairly new to OSM, so I'm looking for people who can help us in
 running the training sessions and actual mapping/tagging. We can
 provide space, computers, students, and also pull people from the
 local Nepalese community.


I would try to connect with an existing OSM Meetup group. You can find all
the OSM meetups at htto://openstreetmap.meetup.com - you could Maptime
groups.

FYI - we are holding a similar event tonight on UW campus in Seattle. Joint
venture of Maptime and OSM Seattle.

Good luck,
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Re: [HOT] Date of a mapped feature?

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On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Chris Braun braun...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have experience in GIS and RS but am quite new in OSM so sorry for the
 newbie question.
 Basically I would like to know if and how one can know when a feature was
 mapped on the OSM map. Or rather what was the date of the imagery that was
 used to map a specific feature. Since the OSM map is used by rescue teams,
 I would find this information quite critical to assess whether a feature
 may still exist or not, but I don't understand how this can be learnt from
 the map. There does not seem to be a systematic tag for the date of the
 image, or an automatic way to associate to a feature the date of the
 imagery that was used to map it (or the most recent imagery that is still
 showing this feature), but maybe I am missing something. Or maybe this can
 be learnt from the history section?


I don't believe we capture imagery creation date in the OSM changeset. Bing
image tiles do contain a date (right click on the background image in JOSM)
but MapBox images last I checked do not. Since we don't capture that data
at best you can do is look at the date of the changeset and the Bing image
date.

Clifford


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Re: [HOT] open geology map

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Living in an earthquake area, I understand and appreciate the need for
geological maps. The problem is in the complexity of geological data. Using
OSM as a base layer over which geological data is displayed is a very easy
way to see if residents and office buildings are in danger zones. I've
contemplated a similar solution to map potential landslide areas. I think
these features belong in another database. If we focus on mapping
structures, roads, landuse, basically thing we can see, it will improve the
use of geological overlays.

BTW - some faults can be mapped since they are visible from aerial imagery.

Clifford

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Hazel hl...@srcf.net wrote:

 Dear All,

 Can we again discuss putting geological data into OSM? Specifically, I'd
 like a recommended way to tag fault lines and surface geology polygons.

 This e-mail assumes the reader knows nothing of geology, apologies to
 everyone else.

 First, the usecase: geological data saves lives in natural disasters, it
 is useful for common activities like agriculture, and it is interesting in
 its own right. It can also be usefully collected by amateurs.

 I am not suggesting that OSM should produce disaster risk maps, or
 recommendations for farmers. I am saying OSM could collect the data that
 would allow experts to quickly and easily make these things.

 Using OSM contours, they can work out areas of flood risk and tsunami
 escape routes. Using contours and and basic geological information, they
 can work out areas of landslide risk (landslides kill more people than
 volcanoes or floods or earthquakes, but they kill a few dozen at a time).
 If we map faults, they'll know more about where earthquakes are likely to
 happen (you know the photos of roads after earthquakes, offset by a few
 centimeters? The fault is the plane where the offset happens, and
 earthquakes use the same faults over and over again). If you map areas of
 shallow bedrock vs. unconsolidated sediment, you know which areas may
 suffer soil liquifaction in an earthquake.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_liquefaction soil liquifaction

 Technical infodump:

 To make a geological map, you map areas with similar surface rock or
 sediment2. You describe them (anything from field IDs like greenish rock
 #2 to detailed technical descriptions) and give them proper names (e.g.
 the Tunbridge Wells Sand Formation).

 Having mapped the boundaries between different rock types, you can also
 trace faults and the line of folds in the rocks. These all obviously exist
 in 3-D, but are usually represented on 2-D maps. Just mapping the 2-D trace
 is enough for many purposes.

 OPTIONAL EXTRA 3-D info:
 If you want to add more information about the third dimension to a two-D
 map, there are conventions for that. You specify a line (along the axis of
 the fold, or on the steepest line down the fault plane or boundary plane).
 You map the direction of this line. Then you measure the angle between the
 line and the horizontal, and write in on the map (next to standard symbols:
 for a plane, a T-shape, and for a fold axis, an X with two or three of the
 lines turned into arrows pointing in the two or three downhill directions).

 Plane:
 http://web.arc.losrios.edu/~borougt/StrikeAndDip.jpg

 Fold:
 http://bc.outcrop.org/images/structural/press4e/figure-11-16b.jpg

 Planes on either side of a fold:
 http://courses.missouristate.edu/EMantei/creative/GeoStruct/strkdip.jpg

 This is actually fairly easy to explain in 3-D, but not in 2-D, and I
 don't know of a good video. We could make one.
 END OPTIONAL EXTRA


 Example:
 Let's look at the Weald area of the UK, since it is well-mapped.

 Read:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weald#Geology

 Terms:
 Lower Cretaceous and Upper Jurassic describe age (lower means older)
 rocks, chalk and sandstone describe rock type
 sands and clays describe sediment type
 Purbeck Beds, Ashdown Sand Formation and so on are proper names of
 groups of rocks/sediments. These names are hierachical, like taxons, and
 are in databases (for the Chalk Group that forms the White Cliffs of Dover:
 http://www.bgs.ac.uk/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?pub=CK).

 The cross-section may help make the 2-d map make sense.

 To see how faults and folds (synclines/synforms, that sag, and
 anticlines/antiforms, that hog) are mapped as lines, see this map:
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Geologic_map_SE_
 England_%26_Channel_EN.svg
 (just gives rock ages, not type).

 Faults are usually much more obvious on small-scale maps than they are on
 this map.

 For sediments, there exist multiple soil classifications, with mappings
 between them, and OSM could support them all, but the classes we have
 (sand, gravel...) would be enough to start with.
 Examples:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Soil_Classification
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USDA_soil_taxonomy
 etc.

 QGIS is increasingly used for geological mapping, so it works increasingly
 well with many other geological 

Re: [HOT] Installing JOSM on Mac OS

[Clifford Snow]

On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 9:32 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:

 I did a post here talking about an idiot guide to JOSM and then got asked
 about Mac OS and installing it.  Any suggestions other than the JOSM web
 site and the Mac OS links?


I have run a number of introduction to JOSM sessions. I ask people to
install JOSM prior to the workshop to help manage time. I provide links to
josm.openstreetmap.de. So far the only problem I recall, is problems
installing on Windows 7-8. What kind of problems are you having with JOSM
on Mac? I have JOSM running on both Mac OSX and Linux.

Clifford

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Re: [HOT] missing maps.org down?

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On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Christian Ledermann 
christian.lederm...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.missingmaps.org


It is down for me, but according to http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ it
is up.


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[HOT] Hot Mapping Event in Seattle

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We are hosting a HOT mapping event in Seattle on Sunday, December 7th.
Details in the link below. Please spread the word.

http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Seattle/events/217864772/

Thanks,
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Re: [HOT] Validating TM2 - a send message button?

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I think getting a message about editing errors is a valid quality process.
I suppose that you could allow the editor to opt out, or even opt in to
messages as well as confirmation that the edit was validated.

Clifford
On Aug 29, 2014 9:47 AM, Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi,

 I was recently involved in teaching a large group of new mappers, and
 close to the end of the session I repeated to them how to find the squares
 they have mapped, click on them, and see the comments that the validator
 had left. At the end of the session I was approached by representatives of
 both the British Red Cross  Medecins Sans Frontier who each commented that
 it seemed like a long process, and couldn't it be automated so that a
 message is automatically sent to the mapper concerned. At the time, I
 replied that the many hundreds of very good mappers would not want a
 pestering email every time one of their hundreds of squares was validated.

 However, on further reflection I am having second thoughts, but don't know
 if;

 a/. there is something already in the pipeline, 
 b/. what other HOTties have in the way of ideas about this.

 I should explain that I see validation as both a quality control feature,
 and a training aid. Rather than invalidate, I will frequently validate a
 square if it only involves work I can complete in a few minutes, and I will
 leave a message in the square something like 'Click on this link to see
 screenshots showing the before  after:
 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8mtspy7pfu4o0ve/AADSV7Z-ZGG0kCWatPqUdnLYa?dl=0
 I've joined the paths together  added the round huts that were present -
 screenshot shows one of them  they are tagged building=hut. etc..'
 In this case it would obviously be good if there was an option within the
 Tasking manager that allowed me to send this as a message to the mapper
 concerned rather than leave it to chance as to whether it is ever seen. If
 this feature was implemented I would suggest that it was a tick box that
 the validator would have to select with the text similar to 'Tick this box
 if you require your comments to be sent as part of a message to the mapper
 concerned'.

 The ticking of the box  then confirming with the validate button would
 cause a message (email or OSM messaging system) with a preformed text such
 as
 _

 Title=HOT Validators feedback, square @@@

 Hi  thanks for mapping for the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team,

 A validator has recently validated square @@ which you
 marked as complete on @@date@@  has asked that the following comments
 are passed on to you;

 *Click on this link to see screenshots showing the before  after: 
 **https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8mtspy7pfu4o0ve/AADSV7Z-ZGG0kCWatPqUdnLYa?dl=0
 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8mtspy7pfu4o0ve/AADSV7Z-ZGG0kCWatPqUdnLYa?dl=0**
 I've joined the paths together  added the round huts that were present -
 screenshot shows one of them  they are tagged building=hut. etc..*

 Please take these comments in the positive way they were intended. The
 Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team would like to see you map many more squares
  the comments are only intended to keep the mapping standards high.

 Keep up the good work, and thanks again for mapping for HOT.

 This is an automated message.
 _

 There was a genuine interest from members of BRC  MSF when asking me
 about this, and there was an offer to help with the coding as well.
 Personally something like this would save me a lot of time - I'm currently
 trying to validate the work of about 60 new mappers and anything which
 speeds up the process would really help.

 I'd welcome some discussion on this.

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 http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasu...@6thswanleyscouts.org.uk)

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[HOT] Tasking Manager2

[Clifford Snow]

I'd like to give a short update on Tasking Manager 2 to our 10th
Anniversary Celebration in Seattle. Can someone give me a short description
on the latest v2.4.0, update on the following enhancements?

Difficulty can be set for each task
Priority areas can be defined for a project
Users are informed when a task they worked on is invalidated
Project tasks can be exported to GeoJSON

Thanks,
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[HOT] OpenStreetMap 10th Anniversary Event in Seattle

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OpenStreetMap Seattle invites you to the Tenth Anniversary of OpenStreetMap
Celebration, August 9th at Tableau Software in Seattle's Fremont
neighborhood. Join us to help celebrate OpenStreetMap's Birthday Event.
Signup for the event at
http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Seattle/events/186048572/

OpenStreetMap Seattle invites you to submit a presentation proposal for a
presentation, a panel discussion or a session of lightning talks for the
event. We are seeking presentations on mapping and creating maps for
mappers of all experience levels. Below is a suggested list of potential
topics participants would like to see. All submissions are welcome.
Proposals are due by July 25th, 2014.

POI - especially unique features
roads
relationships

turn restrictions

coastlines

highways, .i.e I5

bus data

multipolygons

addressing
boundaries
traffic circles
Using drones to map
Georeferencing images from aerial imagery
Quality tools

Submit your proposal to cliff...@snowandsnow.us and include a title, short
description, and time required.


We are looking for additional sponsors to help offset the cost of the
event, including food and drinks for the participants. Contact me at
cliff...@snowandsnow.us if interested.

Clifford Snow

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Re: [HOT] North Nigeria - eHealth Africa data imports

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Looking at parts of Nigeria there are numerous unmapped areas. So good
opportunity to vastly improve Nigeria. What sort of data is available in
the import? What other sources are available?

Clifford

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Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] Advices on OSM mobile applications for IPhone and Ipad handy for field work in humanitarian contexts

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On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.comwrote:

 GoMap!! is a really good app even for editing.


+1 GoMap!! is the best editor for OSM. I only wish I had an iOS device!


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