Re: [HOT] Mapping Moranças in Guinea Bissau

[Donal Hunt]

There does not appear to be much documentation around the concept of
moranças. In OSM, it's normal to propose a method for mapping this data and
requesting review of the proposal. See
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process

The only other comment I have at this time is whether there are any
concerns around data protection / security given the ability to identify
groups of individuals. If I was doing this in Ireland, I would not add
surnames to residential houses even if the data was available / permissions
was granted.

Specifically, on the tagging question. landuse=residential; morança=yes;
name= does seem a reasonable approach. You may also want to look at
place=neighbourhood or boundary=administrative (the latter does have an
entry for Guinea but not Guinea Bissau). A review of tags already in use
for the country may help identify a good approach.

Regards

Donal

On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 at 15:16, mbranco2  wrote:

> Dear List,
>
> I'm involved in a project with an Italian high school (IIS A.Avogadro,
> Turin) mapping N'Tchangue area in Guinea Bissau.
> After completing the related HOT project (#7151), we're going to add
> detatils to the Map (schools, health center, water wells...) having this
> informations from a NGO (Abalalite) which works there.
> Abalalite is giving us information (the name) also about moranças,
> settlements of family clans (they range since 2 to 30 houses).
> As you can see in picture [1], moranças are very close each other, all
> together they form the hamlet/village named T'Changue.
>
> We'd like to know your opinion how is the best way to map moranças:
> - setting the name tag directly on landuse=residential area (maybe adding
> a "morança=yes" tag? It seems to me it's a specificity, to be areas
>  inhabited by family clans)
> - adding the name to place=isolated_dwelling/hamlet tag (not sure it's a
> good idea to put so many hamlets so close each other; also, all together
> they are a village...)
> - or ... ?
>
> Thank you for your opinion,
> Marco (mbranco2)
>
> [1]
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/N%27tchangue_Moran%C3%A7as.jpg
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Re: [HOT] damage as a tag - not docu,

[Donal Hunt]

I would agree with the view that such statuses should be managed outside of
the OSM datastore. Organisations with interest of doing this may already be
using products that rely on GIS data from various sources.

For those designing apps, they can track things like damage, repairs, etc
and tie that meta data to a OSM node / way / relation ID.

Is there an existing policy regarding data types that should not be added
to OSM but tracked separately? Are there tools to support teams needing to
so this?

Donal

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020, 10:06 Russell Deffner, 
wrote:

> Just a quick note; HOT does not formally do damage tagging, mainly because
> no tagging schema exists. In the past, members of HOT tried various tagging
> but results for remote damage assessment were poor.
>
> I personally would be glad to see a community driven tagging schema
> developed but if not we (HOT) will need to document what we come up with
> for usage in disaster response and recovery.
>
> One glaring issue has been that typically the tags persist much longer
> than the damage.
>
> =Russ
>
> > On Feb 6, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > It looks like HOT is using the tag 'damage' for something. It is not
> documented as to what it means. Further is this information kept current or
> just added and forgotten? In at least one case the tag goes back to 2011.
> >
> >
> > When will HOT start to document what tags they are using, and what they
> are used for on the OSM wiki? This is not good behavior for HOT in OSM.
> >
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Re: [HOT] HOT Tech Announcements

[Donal Hunt]

Joining via email works for external users. Not clear if that is as a
result of changes by the HOT admins or that different ACLs are at play.



On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 14:24, Donal Hunt  wrote:

> Note: Regarding the google group - HOT likely have the index of mailing
> list restricted (common for most organisations) so external users will not
> be able to subscribe directly via the web interface (I suspect email may
> result in the same deadend but I haven't validated the ACLs there). This is
> likely why email addresses were being gathered through a form - they need
> to be manually add to the group by the group owner / moderator. Purely a
> case of a design decision Google have made around their G Suite product. :/
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 06:33, Felix Delattre 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Jiri,
>>
>>
>> On October 15, 2019 10:59:27 PM GMT+02:00, Jiri Vlasak <
>> jiri.huba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >I feel
>> >sorry, but I am not interested in contributing to something closed,
>> >without
>> >public history.
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback!
>>
>> The Tasking Manager is free and open (source) and its development is
>> completely transparent, with a public history and actively seeking
>> collaboration through Github.
>>
>> Of course everybody is free to decide, whether to follow the invitation
>> to the TM groups or not! It is unfortunate that it doesn't fulfill your
>> criteria. I can understand your concerns and probably it is best for you to
>> participate through our Github repository, you seem to be well familiar
>> with and everything is kept in a public history.
>>
>> The groups are an additional offer for people who don't feel very
>> comfortable with Github and still want to give us input. It is an
>> opportunity for us to connect with the users of the TM. We also figured out
>> that sometimes it is good to talk in person, or over voice and video (we
>> also don't record these meetings).
>>
>> Best,
>> Felix
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Re: [HOT] HOT Tech Announcements

[Donal Hunt]

Note: Regarding the google group - HOT likely have the index of mailing
list restricted (common for most organisations) so external users will not
be able to subscribe directly via the web interface (I suspect email may
result in the same deadend but I haven't validated the ACLs there). This is
likely why email addresses were being gathered through a form - they need
to be manually add to the group by the group owner / moderator. Purely a
case of a design decision Google have made around their G Suite product. :/




On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 06:33, Felix Delattre 
wrote:

> Dear Jiri,
>
>
> On October 15, 2019 10:59:27 PM GMT+02:00, Jiri Vlasak <
> jiri.huba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I feel
> >sorry, but I am not interested in contributing to something closed,
> >without
> >public history.
>
> Thanks for the feedback!
>
> The Tasking Manager is free and open (source) and its development is
> completely transparent, with a public history and actively seeking
> collaboration through Github.
>
> Of course everybody is free to decide, whether to follow the invitation to
> the TM groups or not! It is unfortunate that it doesn't fulfill your
> criteria. I can understand your concerns and probably it is best for you to
> participate through our Github repository, you seem to be well familiar
> with and everything is kept in a public history.
>
> The groups are an additional offer for people who don't feel very
> comfortable with Github and still want to give us input. It is an
> opportunity for us to connect with the users of the TM. We also figured out
> that sometimes it is good to talk in person, or over voice and video (we
> also don't record these meetings).
>
> Best,
> Felix
>
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Re: [HOT] Tracking vehicle movements

[Donal Hunt]

I would echo Laurent's words. Deploy the solution that you need and figure
out the funding issues. Doing something like SMS-based reporting or
emailing data around the place will just move the cost burden elsewhere, be
more brittle and probably not get you what you want at the end of the day.

The initial problem statement seems to focus on how to verify the trust
that is being put in the partner undertaking the work. There are many many
ways to do that and technology is not always the answer. It would be
interesting to understand what other options have been identified and why
GPS-tracking has been decided on as the most effective means of delivering
the end result. If the GPS data being collected is also making it's way
back into the OSM ecosystem, that value should not be discounted.

Kind regards

Donal

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 21:19, Laurent Savaete  wrote:

> Hey Jorieke,
>
> What your question describes sounds like fleet management. I just found
> https://www.traccar.org/ which looks pretty well maintained (88
> contributors on github, latest code update only a few hours ago), is
> open-source and seems to provide exactly what you're after, without having
> to reinvent the wheel.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Laurent
>
>
> On 09/01/2019 19:22, John Whelan wrote:
>
> In Windows you can use a script to copy the files, compress them and send
> them.
>
> Android should have something equivalent.  If not Microsoft Visual Studio
> 2017 can build something that will run on android.
>
> We seem to be forever seeing requests from students to write software for
> OSM and HOT as a project.
>
> This one is a natural.
>
> Enabling GPS tracking is heavy on a battery life but you can buy power
> packs quite cheaply to extend the life.  I wouldn't connect it to the car
> battery, the voltage fluctuates to much and it will shorten the smartphone
> life down.
>
> So basically you want a program that will grab the GPS tracks every x
> minutes and compress them.  Technically zip is fine but the problem with
> zips is they can carry malware so use something else and gmail won't accept
> them anyway.
>
> Then it should just email these back to the server.  There should be an
> API to allow the software to write to something like Gmail on the
> smartphone.
>
> When gmail finds a connection it will send the messages home.  No fingers
> needed other than to connect to Wifi for gmail.  This one is the simplest.
>
> https://developers.google.com/gmail/api/guides/sending has got the basics.
>
> The other way is to use the signal that the phone uses to connect to the
> mast.  There are 140 / 160 characters at the end of the packet which are
> unused.  This is the basis of SMS text messaging.  In Europe, North America
> phone plans often come with unlimited SMS text messaging, Africa maybe
> different.  The advantage is you can collect the data in real time.  The
> disadvantage is the store and forward method of email is a bit more robust.
>
> There are SMS APIs that will run on a smartphone but my impression is
> these vary according to the phone so an SMS based solution that ran on any
> phone might be more difficult to build but someone who knows more about SMS
> might be in a better position to sort something out.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> Jorieke Vyncke wrote on 2019-01-09 10:48 AM:
>
> Thanks a lot for all your suggestions!
> I suppose easy to use is core, so options with manually copying traces is
> probably not the best solution.
> However I will forward all your suggestions to Last, and will leave it up
> to him to decide what is the best option for them on the ground!
>
> If there are more ideas, they still welcome :)
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Jorieke
>
> Op wo 9 jan. 2019 om 14:26 schreef Pierre Béland :
>
>> Hi Jorieke
>>
>> There are small vehicule gps logger, some very precise reading various
>> satellite networks. I tried a Columbus. It did work very well but could not
>> replace the battery.
>>
>> Search simply for vehicule gps logger. This Ebay link show various
>> models, some with an USB connection and / or sim card.
>> https://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_nkw=vehicle+gps+data+logger
>>
>> regard
>>
>>
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [HOT] Anyone in Dublin?

[Donal Hunt]

I'm based down in Cork these days unfortunately. Let me see if there is
anyone in the OSM / volunteer communities I'm part of that might be able to
attend / support.

Should I send them direct to you Rebecca?

Donal

On 8 Mar 2018 22:03, "Rebecca Firth"  wrote:

Hi there,

Is anyone in Dublin, and fancies helping out with a mapathon, and
potentially doing a press interview? It would be next Thursday 15th March
10:30-1pm - let me know!

Thanks,

Rebecca

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Re: [HOT] Progression, Re: Mapping buildings with new mappers at a maperthon

[Donal Hunt]

Thanks for the reminder Rupert!

We did find that the participants found the videos from the beneficiaries
that exist for some projects both insightful and powerful for the audience
(we did get feedback that they could be shorter / more focused but actually
getting the first-hand insight of how the mapping work was helping /
contributing to getting results locally made a difference in my opinion).

So +1 to having a 1-minute video that can be shown to participants at
mapathons. Ideally created by leaders on the ground in the affected
location but I feel that HOT personnel / volunteers familiar with the
project and the region of the world could also supplement it where it's not
feasible to have that direct connection.

Regards

Donal

On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Rupert Allan 
wrote:

> Forgive typos. The sun is bright here on my screen.
> R
>
> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Rupert Allan 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> On this subject, I know this retention thing is much discussed at London
>> Missing Maps/OSM events, and Ralph is a key point of contact there. I have
>> spent much time thinking about it, and as a field operator I beleive that
>> connecting remote mappers with the field. This is something we started with
>> the WAMM2017 project, and we have a WhatsApp (the go-to local cal platform)
>> group to which I can add members.
>>
>> Afterall, the ultimate magic of Humanitarian OpenStreetMap is that
>> 'donors' can connect with 'beneficiaries', working shoulder to shoulder in
>> a literally transparent virtual workspace, where no cash is exchanged which
>> can muddy the philanthropic ideal.
>>
>> I wish we had a coordinator for this connectivity, and I try to build the
>> capacity into all of our projects. Currently in Uganda (Sudanese refugee
>> settlements), my chosen focal point for this kind of connection is Deo
>> Kiggudde, whom I am trying to capacitate in the global connectivity of our
>> community support network. I am convinced that communication of realities
>> of the field is one of the keys to retention. Impact of remote mapping is
>> clear through these relationships.
>>
>> Couple that with the type of local OSM community members (aspirational,
>> bright, tech-savvy), and their interest in self-improvement as well as
>> community improvement, and you have a good formula. It just needs
>> implementing. Rebecca Firth, who does an amazing job globally, and I will
>> try my best to keep connecting people in relationships more locally as I
>> set up more intercultural/interactional WhatsApp groups.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rupert
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Bjoern Hassler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear friends,
>>>
>>> Not in direct response to John, but on a tangent.
>>>
>>> Do people who organise mapathons have a sense of how many people come
>>> again vs. those who only come once? Do you have specific strategies to
>>> encourage people to come back?
>>>
>>> Do you have a plan for progression moving people onto JOSM, or as John
>>> suggests starting some/all on JOSM? Then moving people to validation?
>>>
>>> Would be interested to hear!
>>> Bjoern
>>>
>>> On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 at 00:20, john whelan  wrote:
>>>
 I'm not a great person for maperthons, the last one I attended could
 have gone a little smoother, there was a time delay before mapping.  They
 were mapping buildings and highways and although they were mapping for some
 time no tiles were completed.

 Recently there was another one locally which I drifted down to and I
 did the patter.  I took two laptops with JOSM preinstalled and set them up.

 As new mappers came in I just asked them to sit down at the laptops and
 start mapping with the building tool.  Then we set up their laptops with
 JOSM and they continued on their own machines installing JOSM, I think one
 needed to download JAVA and I had JOSM an a DVD.  They then continued
 mapping.  We had them mapping their first building within minutes.  The big
 delay was setting up an OSM account and logging into the task manager.

 12-15 people registered we had six mappers eventually, four were new to
 JOSM.  They mapped buildings quite quickly and I guarantee all were square,
 all were correctly tagged and none were more than six inches out of place.
 Most were spot on in Bing.  Tiles were completed and not just ones without
 buildings in them we deliberately pointed them to tiles that had a fair
 number of buildings in them.

 As they mapped they became more adventurous in drawing two squares on
 an L shaped building and joining them together.  We knew that one section
 was a caravan park so the mapper explored the tags and found
 building=static_caravan and was delighted to find they could select all the
 static_caravans and retag them all at once.

 One new mapper was a teacher so since we had a very experienced iD
 mapper there after she had been mapping in J

Re: [HOT] Progression, Re: Mapping buildings with new mappers at a maperthon

[Donal Hunt]

I can share my experience with running events at my previous employer (a
large multinational) as part of their CSR efforts…

We ran a number of events over a few months and did indeed have some repeat
attendees (I didn't get round to validating the numbers but the data was
there I believe). Since the majority of people had never touched OSM or any
GIS tools before most people needed to learn what to do (we used a slide
deck with examples that we adjusted based on feedback at each session) and
then start mapping (baby steps).

The sessions were setup in what I would consider an ultra-social setup. One
of the benefits was that people from different teams got to meet and
interact outside of normal day-to-day activities. Having individuals that
had already attended a session was super helpful for covering off the
simple questions that new contributors always have. We actively  encouraged
people to first ask others on their table and then ask the leaders of the
event.

This was super helpful because it frees up the leaders to be able to
check-in with each table / group and verify that their quality was
acceptable and address any issues that were cropping up. If we saw a trend
(e.g. people struggling with particular types of buildings) we would stop
the mapathon, grab everyone's attention, cover the specific issue on the
big presentation screen and then let everyone got back to their task.

The intent before I left was to have most events be focused on new /
irregular contributors while running the odd event for people who had a
deep interest in contributing at a higher level. This would have covered
things like using JOSM, validating your work as you go, validating others'
work, etc.

Worth noting that our primary KPI was engagement (rather than anything
mapping related) though that could change over time once the effort was
more established internally at the company. So we also did some 45-minute
mapswipe events (setup and start-up time is tiny) which attracted both
casual contributors and regulars. For others looking to attract continued
engagement over the long-term, running short map-swipe events is a great
way for people to get a taste of how their contributions help (we used to
highlight the different types of mapping contributions as part of the
presentation at the start of each session).

My sense of things is that if you got 1 person who contributed at the
highest level for every 100 event attendees, you would be doing well. For
HOT, it may be worth gathering some data from various groups to see if that
ratio varies based on the group type (corporate events vs opendata events
vs charity events,etc). I suspect that having a regular schedule for events
probably plays a factor too.

Hope the insight is useful.

Donal

On 18 Nov 2017 08:40, "Bjoern Hassler"  wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> Not in direct response to John, but on a tangent.
>
> Do people who organise mapathons have a sense of how many people come
> again vs. those who only come once? Do you have specific strategies to
> encourage people to come back?
>
> Do you have a plan for progression moving people onto JOSM, or as John
> suggests starting some/all on JOSM? Then moving people to validation?
>
> Would be interested to hear!
> Bjoern
>
> On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 at 00:20, john whelan  wrote:
>
>> I'm not a great person for maperthons, the last one I attended could have
>> gone a little smoother, there was a time delay before mapping.  They were
>> mapping buildings and highways and although they were mapping for some time
>> no tiles were completed.
>>
>> Recently there was another one locally which I drifted down to and I did
>> the patter.  I took two laptops with JOSM preinstalled and set them up.
>>
>> As new mappers came in I just asked them to sit down at the laptops and
>> start mapping with the building tool.  Then we set up their laptops with
>> JOSM and they continued on their own machines installing JOSM, I think one
>> needed to download JAVA and I had JOSM an a DVD.  They then continued
>> mapping.  We had them mapping their first building within minutes.  The big
>> delay was setting up an OSM account and logging into the task manager.
>>
>> 12-15 people registered we had six mappers eventually, four were new to
>> JOSM.  They mapped buildings quite quickly and I guarantee all were square,
>> all were correctly tagged and none were more than six inches out of place.
>> Most were spot on in Bing.  Tiles were completed and not just ones without
>> buildings in them we deliberately pointed them to tiles that had a fair
>> number of buildings in them.
>>
>> As they mapped they became more adventurous in drawing two squares on an
>> L shaped building and joining them together.  We knew that one section was
>> a caravan park so the mapper explored the tags and found
>> building=static_caravan and was delighted to find they could select all the
>> static_caravans and retag them all at once.
>>
>> One new mapper was a teacher so since we had 

Re: [HOT] Funding opportunity - social entrepreneurs

[Donal Hunt]

Here is the correct link: https://www.changemakers.com/creatingsharedvalue

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Milo van der Linden 
wrote:

> The link is not working, can you please provide a correct one?
>
>
> 2017-10-02 13:18 GMT+02:00 Rebecca Firth :
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > The Nestle Creating Shared Value Prize is seeking global applications
> from
> > social and private enterprises and non-governmental organizations (NGOs)
> > solving issues in nutrition, water or rural development. The prize is for
> > social entrepreneurs looking for avenues to scaling their ventures. The
> > competition seeks to support and accelerate the growth of initiatives
> > solving significant issues in water, nutrition and rural development. To
> be
> > eligible for the prize, applicants should have a proven concept tested
> > through a pilot or small-scale enterprise, have the potential to scale
> and
> > be replicated in other communities, aims to make a social impact
> improving
> > nutrition, enhancing rural development and access to clean water or water
> > management, plus a viable business model.
> >
> >
> > The deadline is Oct 31st. Happy to support reviewing any proposals if
> > useful. You can apply at: www.changemakers.com/creativesharedvalue, or
> > nominate businesses and social enterprises by emailing
> csvpr...@ashoka.org
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rebecca
> >
> >
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Re: [HOT] iD news: v2.4.0 released

[Donal Hunt]

I'm huge fan of this feature. Getting changes reviewed is a great way for
educating and training people. Maybe someday we'll have readability for
different countries / regions and/or categories of edits.

Can't wait to start using it.

Donal

On 26 Aug 2017 14:15, "Bryan Housel"  wrote:

> OSMCha will show if a user has requested a review (though I’m not sure if
> they have pushed the new version yet that does this).
>
> We’re also planning to add it to our bots in slack and IRC that monitor
> edits in the US.
>
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2017, at 8:44 AM, john whelan  wrote:
>
> >`review_requested=yes`
>
> So how would this be picked up?
>
> Thanks John
>
> On 26 August 2017 at 01:46, Bryan Housel  wrote:
>
>> *iD v2.4.0* was released August 25, 2017 and is now available for
>> editing on openstreetmap.org
>>
>> 📣  *A few highlights from the release:*
>>
>> *NEW Esri World Imagery layer:*
>> Esri has made their World Imagery Service available for OSM use!
>> Read more here:  https://blogs.esri.com/esri/a
>> rcgis/2017/08/24/world-imagery-in-osm/
>>
>> *NEW fields on the save screen:*
>>• Added a checkbox for mappers to request for someone to review their
>> edits.
>>• Added a Source field to allow users to add multiple sources.
>>• Added a Hashtags field to allow users to add multiple event hashtags.
>> - Hashtags can also be set via the API from a Task Manager or Q/A app.
>> - Hashtags are automatically extracted from the `comment` field.
>>
>> *NEW changeset tags for improved changeset analysis*
>>• `review_requested=yes`  (“yes” if the user has checked the box)
>>• `source=*`  (semicolon delimited, e.g. “survey;gps")
>>• `hashtags=*`  (semicolon delimited, e.g. “#MissingMaps;#Tanzania”)
>>• `changesets_count=*`  (number of edits the user has made, will be “0”
>> for someone making their first edit)
>>
>>   Walkthrough tags, will be set only if a user has made <100 edits:
>>• `ideditor:walkthrough_started=yes`  (“yes” if the user started the
>> walkthrough)
>>• `ideditor:walkthrough_progress=*`  (semicolon delimited, e.g. "
>> welcome;navigation;point;area”)
>>• `ideditor:walkthrough_started=yes`  (“yes” if the user completed
>> all walkthrough sections)
>>
>> *Performance:*
>>• iD can now schedule deferred work in modern browsers with
>> requestIdleCallback, (contributed by Kushan Joshi).
>> This means big speedups in parsing, loading data from OSM, and rendering.
>>
>> *Presets:*
>>• Added presets for many theme park attractions (contributed by Willie
>> Marcel)
>>• Added preset for `amenity=shower` (contributed by JamesKingdom)
>>• Added preset `emergency=life_ring` (contributed by JamesKingdom)
>>• Added presets and icons for railway mapping Buffer Stop, Derailer,
>> Milestone, Signal, Switch, Train Wash (contributed by JamesKingdom)
>>
>> ...and more!
>>
>>
>> *Changelog:*
>>https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#240
>>
>> *Twitter:*
>>v2.4.0 + new save screen:  https://twitter.com/bhousel/s
>> tatus/901280750540132352
>>Esri World Imagery announcement: https://twitter.
>> com/geogangster/status/901194478622433280
>>
>> Follow me on Twitter https://twitter.com/bhousel for more iD news and
>> sneak peaks.
>>
>>
>> Thanks! 🙇
>> Bryan
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Re: [HOT] Open Data and OSM

[Donal Hunt]

Here are a couple of links:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/License/Use_Cases
http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Contributor_Terms
https://opendatacommons.org/

Donal

On 6 Jul 2017 17:07, "john whelan"  wrote:

> I'm seeing some interest in different levels of government in Africa and
> others in enriching OSM with their data.
>
> Is there somewhere that discusses things like Open Data licenses etc.
>
> Thanks John
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Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Cambridge - suggestions for a live link for remote attendees

[Donal Hunt]

I have a fair amount of experience with video-conferencing...

Have a think of a few things first though because adding "remote"
participants completely changes the dynamic of the event!!!

   - *Do you want remote participants to just be able to see the
   presentations and what's happening in the room?*

   If so, go down the streaming route because that simplifies things
   greatly. Something like YouTube Live is great for this and is relatively
   well supported on every platform (one of the issues with Skype). Something
   like http://www.opencast.org/software would cover the FOSS requirement
   if needed.

   - *Do you want all participants to be able to engage?*

   if yes, you want a video-conference system. https://jitsi.org/ seems to
   tick the box from a FOSS perspective but I've never used it. There is also
   Apache OpenMeetings which I've heard about but never used. I do have a lot
   of familiarity with Google's hangouts product and it's very solid...

If you do go down the video-conference route, make sure you have 2-3 people
managing the technical side of it. 1 person to manage the local event
location and 1-2 people to support remote participants. Also test a LOT!!
At least 2-3 times before the event. Ensure people are connected 15-20mins
before hand (they can mute their video / audio once connected). Have seen a
lot of video-conference events fail to work because of the lack of testing
/ last-minute changes / complications.

Also - set expectations with everyone (both locally and remote) about how
to engage / raise issues / etc... People are not generally used to this
dynamic and there is nothing worse than having one remote person with a
broken headset disrupting the whole event!!

Good luck with the event!

Donal

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Stephen Penson <
stephen.pen...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
> After the success of June's event, our next Cambridge Mapathon will be
> held Thursday 13th July 6pm-8:30pm BST.
>
>
> As Bjoern mentioned last month,  any validators who are willing to support
> the event either in person or remotely are more than welcome to join us!
>
> https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/missing-maps-july-mapathon-
> cambridge-tickets-35507467792
>
>
> In the past we have used Skype to team up with remote attendees, but we
> were wondering whether anyone knows of any FOSS conference software we can
> use to set up a remote attendees link?
>
>
> A member of our volunteer team has received a request about the
> possibility of linking up with other company offices for the July Mapathon
> so an alternative to Skype would be useful.
>
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
> Steve
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Re: [HOT] Mapathon stats analysis

[Donal Hunt]

*[I don't speak for the team (I'm just a volunteer contributor to missing
maps) so someone with more context may chime in with better info...]*

I'm not familiar with the implementation of the leaderboard at all. Someone
from the HOTOSM web team probably knows. Or you can file a feature request
here I think: https://github.com/MissingMaps/missingmaps.github.io/issues

For the features specific to the tasking manager, I suspect that filing
them here  (
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues) is the right thing
to do. That way one of the regular maintainers or a volunteer developer can
see the priority of the feature being developed and contribute to it being
implemented.

For the stats related requests, I suspect something probably exists already
within the OSM community / ecosystem that could be tweaked for your needs.
I don't have enough context right now to suggest something (maybe in the
future).

Regards

Donal

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Bjoern Hassler  wrote:

> Dear Jan, dear Donal, dear friends,
>
> Is there an instance of https://github.com/tgrippa/
> Mapathon_HOT_OSM_WhatWeMapped running somewhere?
>
> This is great: http://www.missingmaps.org/leaderboards/#/HASHTAG, though
> there's some discrepancy between the data it shows and what I can see from
> the overpass api directly and from http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/. How
> does the leaderboards tool collect the information?
>
> Ideally, what I would like is:
> - all users who contributed to tasking managers under id #1234 (from
> date/time-date/time), including incomplete tasks
> - all users who contributed to the bbox of project #1234  (from
> date/time-date/time)
> - all users who used hashtag in a variety of spellings (#hashtag |
> #Hashtag | etc)  (from date/time-date/time)
> (- all users who attended a mapathon see below)
>
> Ideally as GET parameters or similar, i.e.
> http://someservice/?project=1234|1235|1236&includeincompletetasks=yes&
> includeprojectareas=yes&hastag=hashtag|hashtag2&
> hastagcasesensitive=no&start=...&end=...
>
> which would return a list of users, with projects contributed to and how
> that fact was determined (via project id1/2/3, project area for project
> id1/2/3 or hashtag1, hashtag2, etc), plus number of contributions per user
> in different categories (nodes, ways, way[building], way[highway]), plus
> (one can but dream!) the age of their OSM account and total changesets.
>
> Clearly there is redundancy in the query - but that's on purpose. It would
> e.g. find people who are mapping in an area, but not working through the
> task manager.
>
> It would also be amazing if on the tasking manager, people can register
> their attendance at a mapathon. E.g. as you go to project page it says: "A
> mapathon for this project is in progress. Click here if you are
> participating in this mapathon in person or remotely."
>
> (E.g. In terms of the query, add includeattendeelist=yes
> http://someservice/?&includeattendeelist=yes )
>
> If you had such an attendee list tool, maybe you could even put in your
> name and table number. Then we'd immediately know who is there, and could
> start looking at their edits, and support them. I sometimes wander round a
> mapathon trying to find a user who needs a bit of extra support.
>
> Having said all of this, I'd be very happy to help build such tools, but
> would prefer to do this as part of a small team!
> Bjoern
>
>
> On 16 June 2017 at 14:09, Jan Martinec  wrote:
>
>> Dne 16.6.2017 v 14:13 Bjoern Hassler napsal(a):
>>
>>> Dear friends,
>>>
>>>
>>> What tools do we normally use to get statistics on a mapathon?
>>>
>>> Clearly the tasking manager provides contributors to the task in the
>>> 'stats'
>>> section, and also I can run overpass to look for changes made by those
>>> users.
>>>
>>> I don't think it's possible to get changesets by #hashtag? You'd have to
>>> use the
>>> main API to get all change sets for the period of the event, and then
>>> select the
>>> ones that have the right hashtag(s)?
>>>
>>> Does anybody have some tools they could point me to?
>>>
>>> (Something like this http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-changesets
>>> would be
>>> great, if it listed the changesets and users...)
>>>
>>> Many thanks!
>>> Bjoern
>>>
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>>
>> would this be useful? I think it provides a numerical output as well as
>> pretty pictures:
>> https://github.com/tgrippa/Mapathon_HOT_OSM_WhatWeMapped
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
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Re: [HOT] Mapathon stats analysis

[Donal Hunt]

We've used the Leaderboard tool for a few mapathons...
http://www.missingmaps.org/leaderboards/#/HASHTAG
We usually advertise a hashtag for people to add to their changesets and
can then track it on the board. if you have multiple groups, locations you
can generate some competition too (will track multiple hashtags).

d.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Bjoern Hassler  wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> What tools do we normally use to get statistics on a mapathon?
>
> Clearly the tasking manager provides contributors to the task in the
> 'stats' section, and also I can run overpass to look for changes made by
> those users.
>
> I don't think it's possible to get changesets by #hashtag? You'd have to
> use the main API to get all change sets for the period of the event, and
> then select the ones that have the right hashtag(s)?
>
> Does anybody have some tools they could point me to?
>
> (Something like this http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-changesets would
> be great, if it listed the changesets and users...)
>
> Many thanks!
> Bjoern
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Re: [HOT] please take me off of your mailing list

[Donal Hunt]

Hi Roel,

An email requesting you to confirm your subscription removal has been sent
to you.
Follow the instructions (reply to the email or click the link) and you'll
get no further emails.

All the best!

Donal

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Roel Pacheco 
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> please take me off of your mailing list
>
> Thank You
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Re: [HOT] enabling remote Josm on tasks.hotosm.org/

[Donal Hunt]

I'm guessing you may need to provide more information (e.g. versions of the
software, browser version, OS, etc).

I set this up on Linux & Chrome a while back and it just worked (which was
quite unexpected since Linux is usually more tedious for this type of
thing).

Answers may be available in the archive of newb...@openstreetmap.org (see
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/newbies) or by posting on that
list.

Good luck with getting it working.

Donal

On 30 Apr 2017 12:11 pm, "Bill"  wrote:

> I have been mapping with iD for a week.
>
> I looked at Josm instructions and videos today. I downloaded Josm.
>
> I cannot get Josm to work remotely with tasks.hotosm.org/ .
>
> I enabled remote control through Josm preferences.
>
> I looked at some answers online.
>
> I tried
>
> 
> 6
> 
>
> If the problem is NoScript then you can to allow the request through the
> ABE blocker rules as follows:
>
> 1) Open the NoScripts options dialog,
> 2) Goto the Advanced pane then the ABE sub-pane
> 3) Change the SYSTEM rule to read:
>
> Site http://127.0.0.1:8111
> Accept from *.openstreetmap.org
> Deny
>
> Site LOCAL
> Accept from LOCAL
> Deny
>
>
> from https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/2208/how-do-i-
> enable-the-remote-control-in-josm
>
> Still get "Josm remote control did not respond"  error message.
>
> Not sure what else to try.
>
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Re: [HOT] Broken (multi)polygon cleanup

[Donal Hunt]

Re: http://area.jochentopf.com/fixing.html#spikes-buildings
I looked at one of
the issues flagged (e.g. http://maproulette.org/map/2498/2186222) and don't
really understand what the "spike" problem is. Are there examples of how to
identify the issue? Are these issues only fixable in JOSM or can one use ID?

Re: http://maproulette.org/ui/admin/list/379/Challenge/tasks/2499
Error: Forbidden: User [1466] does not have access to this project [379]

Thanks!

d.

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Jochen Topf  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I just posted a new Maproulette challenge for fixing one particular case
> of broken polygons: Building ways with "spikes". Details are at
> http://area.jochentopf.com/fixing.html#spikes-buildings .
>
> Because there is a large number of those in HOT areas, I have split
> those off into their own challenge
> (http://maproulette.org/ui/admin/list/379/Challenge/tasks/2499).
> Would be great to get some help fixing those from the HOT community.
>
> Jochen
>
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 04:06:05PM +0100, Jochen Topf wrote:
> > Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 16:06:05 +0100
> > From: Jochen Topf 
> > To: hot@openstreetmap.org
> > Subject: [HOT] Broken (multi)polygon cleanup
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > There are many broken (multi)polygon geometries in OSM data leading to
> > all sorts of problems. I have started an effort to get this cleaned up.
> > You can read more about this at http://area.jochentopf.com/ .
> >
> > This effort has been running for about a month now and we can already see
> > some good results. See https://github.com/osmlab/
> fixing-polygons-in-osm/issues/15
> > for some news about what's been happening.
> >
> > I am writing to the HOT list today, because a not-so-small part of the
> > problems come from HOT mappers. For instance, looking at one particular
> > problem here (spikes in closed ways), I am seeing about 5800 errors, of
> > which about 1600 are in areas covered by the HOT tasking manager. (Of
> > couse not all of these have been done in the course of HOT mapping, but
> > probably most of them.)
> >
> > I am reaching out to some of the regional OSM communities and also to
> > HOT, because I want to a) ask for the help of all the communities in OSM
> > to fix those errors and b) generally raise awareness, so those problems
> > can be minimized in the future.
> >
> > Please go to the web sites linked above and read up on what the problems
> > are and how we are fixing them. I also want to offer my help in
> > preparing special data extracts or Maproulette challenges etc. to help
> > the HOT community participate in the cleaning up effort in a way that
> > makes sense to you. I could, for instance, put those 1600 errors
> > mentioned above in a special Maproulette challenge, if that would be a
> > good way for HOT mappers to work on them.
> >
> > Tell me what you think. I appreciate any feedback.
> >
> > Jochen
> > --
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Re: [HOT] weeklyOSM #352 11/04/2017-17/04/2017

[Donal Hunt]

The week's update appears to be in Portuguese. Can someone take a look and
correct (i tried clicking on the link to the GB version but it was still in
Portuguese)?

Thanks!

On 21 Apr 2017 3:32 pm, "weeklyteam"  wrote:

> The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 352,
> is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all
> things happening in the openstreetmap world:
>
> http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/9007/
>
> Enjoy!
>
> weeklyOSM?
> who?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages
> where?: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-
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Re: [HOT] How to save 'empty' squares?

[Donal Hunt]

Surely you just add a comment saying "no relevant features" and mark it
done?

Donal

On 9 Apr 2017 1:15 pm, "Sandy Olkowski"  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Sorry to post this question generally but I'm not sure who to ask. When
> mapping a square that has no relevant features, how should we save the
> work?
>
> I've been adding a generic point and then notating: "No buildings visible.
> Point added in order to save changes."
>
> Is there a better method?
>
> Thank you,
> Sandy
>
>
>
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> Postdoctoral Scholar, Department of Plant Pathology
> Quantitative Biology and Epidemiology Lab
> University of California, Davis
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Re: [HOT] Optimal NAS tech specifications to serve imagery tiles

[Donal Hunt]

It's not cheap ($60,000) per their press pack:
https://www.ideas-box.org/images/idbGeneral_Eng_2014.11.pdf

This is why I specifically mentioned partnering...

d.

On 23 March 2017 at 14:57, Pierre Béland  wrote:

> Donal Hunt wrote
>
> *> *It occurs to me that partnering with a team like Ideas Box (see
> https://www.ideas-box.org/
> <https://www.ideas-box.org/index.php/en/the-ideas-box/discover-the-ideas-box>)
> may be the way to go here...
>
> What is the cost of such equipment + softwares ?
>
>
> Pierre
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Re: [HOT] Optimal NAS tech specifications to serve imagery tiles

[Donal Hunt]

It occurs to me that partnering with a team like Ideas Box (see
https://www.ideas-box.org/
)
may be the way to go here... If the HOT tool-chain could be pre-installed /
integrated it would make the deployment of such kits more beneficial in the
longer run (deployed at the start of a disaster and then continues to
deliver value to the community over time due to the availability of
knowledge, etc).

Obviously, the deployment is a lot heavier than a simple NAS but it's
likely you want a robust solution that is well tested in most scenarios.

All the best!

Donal

On 22 March 2017 at 18:35, Denis Carriere  wrote:

> POSM does host imagery with the new OpenDroneMap module. You can add a
>> tiff and it will be served as a TMS. You an also add any MBTile archive
>> (bing) and have that served as well. POSM is designed to take an AOI, use
>> collected imagery, host field papers, and have support for mobile data
>> surveys all offline.
>
>
> Thanks for sharing Dale!
>
> I never knew that POSM was capable of this, I will definitely need to dive
> into this one of these days.
>
> Cheers,
>
> *~~*
> *Denis Carriere*
> *GIS Software & Systems Specialist*
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Re: [HOT] Using TMS imagery in 2571 and 2572

[Donal Hunt]

In ID, you can click on the layer icon and then enter the following as a
custom layer:

http://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/digitalglobe.n6ngnadl/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoiZGlnaXRhbGdsb2JlIiwiYSI6ImNpbncxNzE4OTE1dm51a2x5dzlkMXI0eHUifQ.TPHGd-IakYZGSP1ja3WTbQ

Note: copy the text (not the URL) because the '{' and '}' will be escaped.
Also, ID assumes the zoom field is specified as {zoom}, not {z}.

Hope that helps...  (and yes! Any time I've seem custom imagery, it's been
loaded as part of the project. you may also need to factor in alignment
issues).

d.


On 12 March 2017 at 12:54, john whelan  wrote:

> These are both high priority projects but Bing coverage is not as good as
> it could be.
>
> However there is imagery
> tms:http://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/digitalglobe.n6ngnadl/{z}/{
> x}/{y}.png?access_token=pk.eyJ1IjoiZGlnaXRhbGdsb2JlIiwiYSI6I
> mNpbncxNzE4OTE1dm51a2x5dzlkMXI0eHUifQ.TPHGd-IakYZGSP1ja3WTbQ
>
> I know how to use it in JOSM but could someone add a pointer to how to use
> it in iD and perhaps even in simple steps for JOSM?
>
> I think it is possible to set the project up so it loads TMS imagery
> automatically but I
> suspect for these projects this may not happen.
>
> Thanks John
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Re: [HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 85, Issue 1

[Donal Hunt]

It was yesterday at 12PM EST. I think you can see the questions and answers
here

,
All the best!

Donal

On 1 March 2017 at 15:32, Soumya Dharmavaram  wrote:

> Hello Blake,
>
>
> I just checked the Twitter chat link. Is the event for today or did it
> conclude yesterday?
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> best wishes,
>
> Soumya
>
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>1. @DigitalGlobe #opendatachat on twitter today!
>(Blake Girardot HOT/OSM)
>2. Re: Leaving my Missing Maps job (Blake Girardot)
>3. Women mapping (Gertrude Hope)
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> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 15:29:23 +0100
> From: "Blake Girardot HOT/OSM" 
> To: HOT 
> Subject: [HOT] @DigitalGlobe #opendatachat on twitter today!
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> Dear Friends!
>
> If you ever wanted to talk to the folks who point satellites and share
> with them and hear from others the impact open data has on your
> volunteering, your work, your community, etc today is a great chance.
>
> 12:00 Noon EST
> 17:00 GMT
>
> DigitalGlobe who enable and enhance so much of our work with their
> satellite imagery, are hosting a "Twitter Chat" today about #opendata.
>
> And it is not just DG who will be there, the Director of the UN Office
> for Outer Space Affairs Simonetta Di Pippo will be there too! How cool
> is that?
>
> How can you participate?
>
> Well, that is a good question. I am a total twitter newbie, but I am
> told you just need to "follow" the twitter hashtag #opendatachat and
> then to ask a question or make a comment, you just tweet and include
> that hashtag at the end #opendatachat
>
> This link will let you "listen" in at least:
> https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%23opendatachat
>
> If you google "twitter chat" you will find lots of info and some
> applications that make being part of a twitter chat easier.
>
> I look forward to "seeing" you there and figuring out how to do this
> twitter chat thing along with you!
>
> Cheers
> Blake
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> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 16:09:55 +0100
> From: Blake Girardot 
> To: Pete Masters 
> Cc: "hot@openstreetmap.org" 
> Subject: Re: [HOT] Leaving my Missing Maps job
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> Hi Pete,
>
> Congrats on your success making mapping more a part of MSF's work and
> on the new gig!
>
> One of the very best things about volunteering with HOT and Missing
> Maps has been the opportunity to meet, hangout and work with you and
> through your efforts support MSF's incredible work.
>
> I am so glad that you will stay a part of the HOT community.
>
> Best wishes
> Blake
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Pete Masters
>  wrote:
>
> Hello all, I hope you are well...
>
> Apologies for using the mailing list to send a personal message, but I feel
> like (and hope) it isn't inappropriate.
>
> My time as coordinator for Missing Maps at MSF is coming to an end - last
> week I accepted a new position within MSF working on innovation process and
> how we better approach field problems and opportunities. I wanted to let
> this community know personally for a few different reasons
>
> Firstly, to say thanks for the education. It has been an absolute pleasure
> to work with such a varied bunch of dedicated, passionate and clever
> people.
> I have been an MSF fanboy for a long time and I am now a HOT and OSM fanboy
> too. My job over the past two and a half years has been to try, as much as
> possible, to find the overlaps and opportunities between these two (very
> different) organisations and communities. As I hope you have noticed, I
> have
> tried to connect the dots between what the HOT and Missing Maps community
> can do for MSF and the impact that that volunteering has on real people
> (both our staff in the field and our patients). What you probably don't
> know is that I also evangelise HOT / OSM within MSF - not just for the
> mapping, but for the principles of openness and teamwork and sharing that
> make mapping and collaborating on s

Re: [HOT] Feedback about the Tasking Manager

[Donal Hunt]

+1 on the validation comments. I'd be more than happy to validate but
didn't know how to get started (and I'm conscious that not being a
calibrated validator would cause much pain for the organisations relying on
the data).

Would be great if there was a way for bootstrapping validators so they can
come up to speed quickly (some sort of feedback loop from experienced
validators / project leads would be useful I think).

Donal

On 25 Feb 2017 9:28 am, "Ralf Stephan"  wrote:

> Very good. I support these suggestions.
>
> Regards,
>
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 9:43 AM Florian Niel 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> In December 2016 I found HOT by accident and started contributing. Now I
>> have seen some different types of projects and want to give feedback
>> about the tasking manager.
>>
>> 1) Information for new users:
>> I think it is really good. The system with the description and the
>> instrucions first is really helpful. Maybe some images of the most
>> common mistakes plus how it should be done in the instructions window
>> would help the not English speaking mappers to avoid mistakes.
>>
>> 2) Questions about a project
>> I wish there was a comment section for every project where anyone can
>> ask general questions. For example if I realize that same things are
>> being mapped differently, I coud ask how it should be done and everybody
>> would see the answer. Right now I can just send a personal note to the
>> project manager or ask the question in the square-comment-box. Both ways
>> are not helpful to other mappers as they cannot see it.
>> For the Aweil project this possibility exists as a separate website
>> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/JanBohmMSF/diary/40072) and has been
>> very helpful for me and other mappers.
>>
>> 3) Information for validators
>> I soon started validating easy projects after some weeks. I thought I
>> had seen enough and tried to do like the other validators. I did not
>> know about the wiki page for validation (I just found it today). It
>> would have been great if the tasking manager had showed me the link to
>> the wiki or other useful information for validators when I clicked the
>> "Review the work" button the first time.
>> Or even better, provide a second button next to the "Review the work"
>> button which says something like "Validation instructions" which directs
>> you to the validation wiki page (or something similar, but
>> project-specific). I think this would encourage more mappers to start
>> validating.
>>
>> Best,
>> Florian
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Re: [HOT] Matthew

[Donal Hunt]

It's often helpful when these type of things happen to address the
immediate issue (cleaning up) and the process and tooling issues that led
to the duplicates being created in the first place.
It's probably too long since the original effort but if there are actions
that could prevent a repeat occurrence in the future, calling them out
(here?) and ensuring they result in action being taken will help everyone
in the longer run.

e.g. could learning material for volunteers / mapathon leaders highlight
the behaviours that can lead to this situation more clearly? Are there
tooling changes that are needed to spot these during the submit process
(changes may have already been implemented through other efforts)?

Regards

Donal

On 22 February 2017 at 14:08, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM <
blake.girar...@hotosm.org> wrote:

> Dear Fred,
>
> Thank you for the feedback.
>
> It would help if you provided an actual area and not just an generic
> link to osmose.
>
> I did review all of NW Haiti for duplicate buildings which is what
> seems to be the biggest issue and out of 68,000 buildings over
> approximately 1500 sq/km found 470 duplicate buildings. ( graphic
> https://screenpresso.com/=2eYrd )
>
> Which is pretty good in my view, less than 0.7% error rate. Still it
> would be good to fix them, especially since it is pretty easy to fix.
>
> For an experienced mapper, it should take about 1 hour to fix them all.
>
> I fixed 100 of them in about 15 mins the slow way :)
>
> I would be happy to share my work flow for fixing them if that would
> help you at all.
>
> My only other comment is that if you are really interested in getting
> the errors corrected, being a bit more understanding and respectful of
> the volunteer mapper's efforts might motive people to dive in and
> help. Phrases like "clean up your mess" is not a good approach in my
> experience. "Hey, I found a lot of duplicate buildings, could we find
> a way to get them corrected?" would probably have generated a lot more
> volunteers to jump in and help.
>
> Cheers,
> Blake
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 6:39 AM, FredM  wrote:
> > We are in training with student from Universite Nouvelle Grande Anse
> > http://universitynouvellegrandanse.org/ and we are using drone et OSM.
> >
> > However, it is a lot of mistake done after the cyclone
> >
> > Have a look on osmose and check all  to see all duplicate building and
> other
> >
> > http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/
> >
> > Not so funny to start cleaning an OSM database when you start the
> mapping.
> >
> > All the best FredM
> >
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Re: [HOT] Bounding box not in iD Editor anymore

[Donal Hunt]

Can confirm. Have noticed that the bounding box doesn't always display.
Usually closing the tab and relaunching 1-2 times results in it appearing.
If logs / javascript console output is useful for tracking down the issue,
let me know and I'll share. :)

d.

On 6 February 2017 at 08:09, Rebecca Firth  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just to add in on this one, there are quite a lot of mapathons going on
> over the next few days, including a group of students in Botswana mapping
> from today for the next two weeks.
>
> @Bryan - I had noticed over the past few months that sometimes the pink
> box didn't load immediately when you loaded a square, and you needed to
> wait quite a while or reload the square to see it. Not sure if others had
> seen the same.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rebecca
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Bryan Housel 
> wrote:
>
>> That does look like a bug!   I will try to get a fix merged in by your
>> event Wednesday…
>>
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2017, at 2:41 PM, Orla McManus 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am unable to see the square bounding box in iD Editor when I lock and
>> open a task/grid square e.g.http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2477#task/58.
>> My understanding is that this bounding box enables the digitiser to ensure
>> that they are working only in their grid square so that they can mark it as
>> done in the Tasking Manager.
>>
>> Has this been removed with a recent update of iD Editor? Will this
>> functionality be added again?
>>
>> We have a mapathon organised for Wednesday with all beginners and it will
>> be much more difficult to coordinate our progress without this bounding box
>> in iD Editor.
>>
>> Thanks very much,
>> Orla
>>
>>
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Re: [HOT] Task Manager slowness

[Donal Hunt]

Excellent!! Will be happy to provide feedback on impact to the user
experience.

Thanks for the update!

Donal

On 3 Feb 2017 12:31 am, "Tyler Radford"  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> HOT is in the process of re-architecting some of our key services and how
> they are hosted, including the Tasking Manager.
>
> In the near-term (within the next week), we will be moving the Tasking
> Manager from it's current server to the AWS Cloud. This should alleviate
> some of the performance issues you've been seeing. More to come soon!
>
> Tyler
>
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> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Kretzer  wrote:
>
>>
>> Then again, I would have thought that 15% of one task always equal 15%,
>> no matter how big the tiles are ...  ;-)
>>
>> Personally I quite like small tiles, if they open up quickly. But as John
>> pointed out - waiting for those tiles to come up can take a lot of the
>> available time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 31.01.17 um 14:11 schrieb Jan Martinec
>>
>> > Ah, actually, it's progressing rather well, IMNSHO - but 15% out of
>> > thousands looks rather pitiful, compared to 100% out of 20 tasks ;)
>> >
>> > (This psychological effect is also an argument against huge projects,
>> but
>> > rather a minor one)
>> >
>> > Dne 31. 1. 2017 1:56 odp. napsal uživatel "Kretzer" :
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Yes, those Aweil projects with the large number of tiny, odd shaped
>> areas
>> > > are nearly unusable.
>> > > I guess that's the reason why #2419 for example is not geting on
>> > >
>> > > Shame, it's quite frustrating ... and I'd love a little after-lunch
>> > > mapping at work ...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. Januar 2017 um 11:56 Uhr
>> > > Von: "Pete Masters" 
>> > > An: "Donal Hunt" 
>> > > Cc: "hot@openstreetmap.org" 
>> > > Betreff: Re: [HOT] Task Manager slowness
>> > >
>> > > It's a good point, Jan... And one we've learnt from the current Aweil
>> > > projects...!
>> > >
>> > > P
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Donal Hunt > [mailto:
>> > > donal.h...@gmail.com]> wrote:
>> > > Can the process be moved to another server (I'm not familiar with the
>> > > deployment strategy so apologies if this is a dumb question)? Resource
>> > > starvation really shouldn't be an issue in 2017...
>> > >
>> > > Donal
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 31 Jan 2017 10:21 am, "Pierre GIRAUD" > [mailto:
>> > > pierre.gir...@gmail.com]> wrote:I'm sorry for that but this is not a
>> > > "Tasking Manager" issue. The fact
>> > > is that the application is installed on a server on which an other
>> > > process takes a lot of resources every 2 minutes for 30-40 seconds.
>> > > When this happens, other applications on this server are also slow.
>> > > You can check the HOT website and you'll see a bad behavior as well.
>> > >
>> > > Pierre
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Pete Masters
>> > > mailto:pedrito1...@googlemail.com]>
>> wrote:
>> > > > Still slow for me
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Pete
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 7:41 AM, Ralf Stephan > [mailto:
>> > > gtrw...@gmail.com]> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Thanks, that was quick!
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 8:15 AM Ralf Stephan > [mailto:
>> > > gtrw...@gmail.com]> wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Hello,
>> > > >>> The TM is quite sluggish for some days now at least. Can someone
>> please
>> > > >>> help?
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Regards,
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>

Re: [HOT] Task Manager slowness

[Donal Hunt]

Can the process be moved to another server (I'm not familiar with the
deployment strategy so apologies if this is a dumb question)? Resource
starvation really shouldn't be an issue in 2017...

Donal

On 31 Jan 2017 10:21 am, "Pierre GIRAUD"  wrote:

> I'm sorry for that but this is not a "Tasking Manager" issue. The fact
> is that the application is installed on a server on which an other
> process takes a lot of resources every 2 minutes for 30-40 seconds.
> When this happens, other applications on this server are also slow.
> You can check the HOT website and you'll see a bad behavior as well.
>
> Pierre
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Pete Masters
>  wrote:
> > Still slow for me
> >
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 7:41 AM, Ralf Stephan  wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks, that was quick!
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 8:15 AM Ralf Stephan  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>> The TM is quite sluggish for some days now at least. Can someone please
> >>> help?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>
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