Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Mhairi O'Hara mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org wrote: Hey Severin, I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status, after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being able to map non-validated tasks. I would also propose for a future Gsoc (or kindly ask MapBox people to think about an enhancement) something detecting in Id that objects tagged as buildings are not squared, because I would say 90% crappy edits come from this Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers' could guide the beginners here too. It has been discussed for a long time, it is likely documented in github, would be good to check with Pierre G about possible developments about this I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will be able to assist. Cheers, Mhairi On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced through the Activation. If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road network vs the rest). Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: NIck and I made this wikipage about it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish the job. Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and - clean everything with the validator - add mssing objects - improve the data consistency (especially the road network) - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network, according to the agreed scheme) Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please do. I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure we develop appropriate tools to support such activations. Pierre -- *De :* Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH! Hi, We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an experienced mapper privileges status who would be required to have access to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts? Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org wrote: Fellow mappers, Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a critical issue. However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof, and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain from contributing. Heather already started drafting training support. When we circulate the tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link to local community's group for newbies to find help. People also wanted to create screencast for specific tasks. As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually couldn't
Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators
At each intensive activation, we restart these discussions. We also have made such propositions before. But no consensus. Yes we have to progress on this and continue to develop such organizational aspects outside of the emergency period. I dont have time to discuss more on this at this time. Too many subjects at the same time :) Pierre De : Mhairi O'Hara mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org À : Activation WG activat...@hotosm.org Cc : hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 mai 2015 8h37 Objet : Re: [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators Hey Severin, I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status, after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being able to map non-validated tasks. Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers' could guide the beginners here too. I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will be able to assist. Cheers, Mhairi On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced through the Activation. If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road network vs the rest). Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: NIck and I made this wikipage about it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish the job. Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and - clean everything with the validator - add mssing objects - improve the data consistency (especially the road network) - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network, according to the agreed scheme) Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please do. I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure we develop appropriate tools to support such activations. Pierre De : Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com À : hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04 Objet : Re: [HOT] AAGH! Hi, We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an experienced mapper privileges status who would be required to have access to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts? Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org wrote: Fellow mappers, Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a critical issue. However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof, and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain from contributing. Heather already started drafting training support. When we circulate the tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link to local community's group for newbies to find help. People also wanted to create screencast for specific tasks. As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time
Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators
Hey Katja, Thanks for your experiences as a newcomer. Your insight is highly beneficial to improving the process for mappers that are starting out and contributing to the activations. Welcome to the OpenStreetMap community! Kind regards, Mhairi On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Katja Ulbert m...@katja-ulbert.de wrote: Hi there, as a newbie I think the idea of a HOT chatroom would be great! Although I read the beginners guide to JOSM it apparently didn´t cover everything. It would accelerate my work very much to get quick answers to my questions (unfortunately in my area there are no mappathons yet), instead of looking at tiles that are already marked as validated to get inspiration from what I see there or go through all the mailinglist posts to see if it has already been mentioned there. Best regards, Katja Am 01/05/15 um 14:37 schrieb Mhairi O'Hara: Hey Severin, I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status, after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being able to map non-validated tasks. Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers' could guide the beginners here too. I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will be able to assist. Cheers, Mhairi On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced through the Activation. If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road network vs the rest). Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: NIck and I made this wikipage about it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish the job. Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and - clean everything with the validator - add mssing objects - improve the data consistency (especially the road network) - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network, according to the agreed scheme) Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please do. I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure we develop appropriate tools to support such activations. Pierre -- *De :* Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH! Hi, We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an experienced mapper privileges status who would be required to have access to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts? Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org wrote: Fellow mappers, Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a critical issue. However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof, and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell
Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators
Not to worry Pierre! Duly noted. I will keep notes of everything so that we can discuss this after the activation period. And thanks for the additional information and comments Severin. I am taking these into account in a rough google docs document. I will add more suggestions, as I go through the rest of the e-mails that have come in during the current activation: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1O2jkoeHGnhEV1eN8aJDVctdfpWtDiodAUGiSTZmulEAauthuser=0 Please feel free to dumb ideas and suggestions, which I will organise and present at the next Activation WG meeting for further discussion. Cheers, Mhairi On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:53 AM, 'Pierre Béland' via Activation Working Group activat...@hotosm.org wrote: At each intensive activation, we restart these discussions. We also have made such propositions before. But no consensus. Yes we have to progress on this and continue to develop such organizational aspects outside of the emergency period. I dont have time to discuss more on this at this time. Too many subjects at the same time :) Pierre -- *De :* Mhairi O'Hara mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org *À :* Activation WG activat...@hotosm.org *Cc :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 8h37 *Objet :* Re: [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators Hey Severin, I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status, after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being able to map non-validated tasks. Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers' could guide the beginners here too. I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will be able to assist. Cheers, Mhairi On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced through the Activation. If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road network vs the rest). Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: NIck and I made this wikipage about it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish the job. Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and - clean everything with the validator - add mssing objects - improve the data consistency (especially the road network) - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network, according to the agreed scheme) Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please do. I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure we develop appropriate tools to support such activations. Pierre -- *De :* Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH! Hi, We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an experienced mapper privileges status who would be required to have access to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task (as they should supposedly do).
Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Mhairi O'Hara mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org wrote: Hey Severin, I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status, after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being able to map non-validated tasks. I would also propose for a future Gsoc (or kindly ask MapBox people to think about an enhancement) something detecting in Id that objects tagged as buildings are not squared, because I would say 90% crappy edits come from this Just created this issue on GitHub: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2624 Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers' could guide the beginners here too. It has been discussed for a long time, it is likely documented in github, would be good to check with Pierre G about possible developments about this I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will be able to assist. Cheers, Mhairi On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced through the Activation. If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road network vs the rest). Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: NIck and I made this wikipage about it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish the job. Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and - clean everything with the validator - add mssing objects - improve the data consistency (especially the road network) - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network, according to the agreed scheme) Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please do. I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure we develop appropriate tools to support such activations. Pierre -- *De :* Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH! Hi, We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an experienced mapper privileges status who would be required to have access to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts? Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org wrote: Fellow mappers, Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a critical issue. However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof, and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain from contributing. Heather already started drafting training support. When we circulate the tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link to local community's group for newbies to find help. People also wanted to create
Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators
If only the HOT Summit wasn't happening during an activation :( On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:53 AM Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: At each intensive activation, we restart these discussions. We also have made such propositions before. But no consensus. Yes we have to progress on this and continue to develop such organizational aspects outside of the emergency period. I dont have time to discuss more on this at this time. Too many subjects at the same time :) Pierre -- *De :* Mhairi O'Hara mhairi.oh...@hotosm.org *À :* Activation WG activat...@hotosm.org *Cc :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 1 mai 2015 8h37 *Objet :* Re: [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators Hey Severin, I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status, after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being able to map non-validated tasks. Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers' could guide the beginners here too. I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will be able to assist. Cheers, Mhairi On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced through the Activation. If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road network vs the rest). Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: NIck and I made this wikipage about it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish the job. Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and - clean everything with the validator - add mssing objects - improve the data consistency (especially the road network) - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network, according to the agreed scheme) Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please do. I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure we develop appropriate tools to support such activations. Pierre -- *De :* Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH! Hi, We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an experienced mapper privileges status who would be required to have access to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts? Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org wrote: Fellow mappers, Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a critical issue. However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof, and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain from contributing. Heather already started drafting training support. When we circulate
Re: [HOT] [activation hotosm] Nepal validation of edits: looking for a pool of Über Validators
Hey Severin, I like the idea of creating a 'experienced mapper' status who can validate/invalidate steps, and also promote other mappers to this status, after they have validated much of their work and can vouch for their mapping abilities and consistency, while the beginners start out only being able to map non-validated tasks. Cristiano had a great idea during the sprint of possibly including a chat room tab on the TM project, where beginners can ask mapping questions specific to the project. It would be great if the 'experienced mappers' could guide the beginners here too. I am taking note of all the suggestions for improvements to the Activation process, so that we can bring them up at the next possible Activation WG meeting and see everyones thoughts on the enhancements and tools that will be able to assist. Cheers, Mhairi On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Following this discussion, the Activation team feels that having an extra step of validation than the one embedded in each TM job would be a great asset to ensure a better quality and consistency for the OSM data produced through the Activation. If cleaning data or making it more consistent thrills you (it is actually the case for me) and you already have a large experience of it, please send an email to the activation email (copied) to likely access future TM jobs with large areas of data to validate, maybe related on two folds (road network vs the rest). Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com wrote: NIck and I made this wikipage about it: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish the job. Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and - clean everything with the validator - add mssing objects - improve the data consistency (especially the road network) - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network, according to the agreed scheme) Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please do. I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure we develop appropriate tools to support such activations. Pierre -- *De :* Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org hot@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAGH! Hi, We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an experienced mapper privileges status who would be required to have access to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts? Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao cl...@clkao.org wrote: Fellow mappers, Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a critical issue. However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof, and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain from contributing. Heather already started drafting training support. When we circulate the tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link to local community's group for newbies to find help. People also wanted to create screencast for specific tasks. As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) for some common critics, so people won't be scared away because they are to participate in a project others criticize: - Are the maps actually being used? - If this is used in critical mission, what happens when it's wrong or incomplete? - What's the point for tracing from pre-disaster imagery? Personally I am awkwardly glad that Naysayers outside our community switched from No one is going to use your stuff, you
