Re: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
Hi Pierre, I definetly agree that it needs to evaluate if it's pertinent and the security to map damages. So I was focusing on basic mapping (residential and ways) in the time I have available. Also many refugees may have fleed to around. All that region around still needs basic mapping, many, many human settlements and their accesses in the images. Thanks, Regards, Sérgio Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 01:32:58 + From: pierz...@yahoo.fr To: svo...@hotmail.com; hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ? Hi Sergio Priority of HOT is to make the Basemap and support the humanitarian organizations that operate in the various countries. We occasionnally did some Damage evaluation, but need more thought about the Tagging schema. While BaseMap is our priority, there might be some emergencies where we are asked to collaborate to Damage evaluation. For every of these events, we have to discuss among us and carefully evaluate if it pertinent to do so. For our community to participate to damage evaluation in arm conflicts might be problematic both for the security of the humanitarians in the field and for our relations between the humanitarian organizations that operate in the field. These actions have to be evaluated very carefully.. Methodology is a distinct aspect and I will open a ticket to discuss about it. As it was discussed while we started the Haiyan Activation, we had to operate quickly in the emergency and established a temporary schema to be revised later. regard Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
Hi Sergio Priority of HOT is to make the Basemap and support the humanitarian organizations that operate in the various countries. We occasionnally did some Damage evaluation, but need more thought about the Tagging schema. While BaseMap is our priority, there might be some emergencies where we are asked to collaborate to Damage evaluation. For every of these events, we have to discuss among us and carefully evaluate if it pertinent to do so. For our community to participate to damage evaluation in arm conflicts might be problematic both for the security of the humanitarians in the field and for our relations between the humanitarian organizations that operate in the field. These actions have to be evaluated very carefully.. Methodology is a distinct aspect and I will open a ticket to discuss about it. As it was discussed while we started the Haiyan Activation, we had to operate quickly in the emergency and established a temporary schema to be revised later. regard Pierre ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
Hi Rod,
I agree that that the tagging schema needs to be modified to conserve the
building key values.
But we shouId concentrate on the BaseMap. I suggest to those that want to help
to assure that minimal infrastructure is provided for this area (ie. road
network, village outbound boundaries - landuse=residential and village names.
You can look at Bing or MapBox imagery to map as much as possible.
Pierre
De : Rod Bera r...@goarem.org
À : hot@openstreetmap.org
Envoyé le : Lundi 19 janvier 2015 8h32
Objet : Re: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
Hi all,
The situation there will likely evolve. More destructions, more informal
settlements from refugees, and (hopefully) ultimately rebuilding when things
settle.
1.
There might be an interest in keeping track of all these changes, and this can
be done by looking at feature history or diffs on the OSM database between 2
dates.
Are there easy means of doing so? (overpass newer queries may be limited
from that respect).
2.
Aside from this, we can't be sure a change on-site is immediately followed by
a change in the database (it can take time before we notice a house has been
destroyed). Therefore a history tag could be added any time we have this
information.
3.
Third, with tags for damaged or destroyed buildings, I feel there should be a
deeper thinking. there is a habit putting things this way, e.g.
building=damaged.
I am not convinced this is the best possible practice.
3.1.
Whether the building used to be building=hospital or building=warehouse... is
an information that remains important even when it is destroyed or damaged. But
the aforementioned practice wipes this information out.
3.2.
many people quickly search for buildings (building=*) with the idea they host
people. But if no further attention is paid to those damaged/destroyed building
(some may afford people in, some not), they might draw false conclusions (seek
to bring relief to deserted areas...). We should at least communicate on the
use of building=destroyed.
However, to address points 3.1 and 3.2 I would rather suggest we avoid
construction/destruction state as values of tag building. This should rather
come with a separate tag like e.g. condition (or state_of_repair, etc.). We
could then make a difference between a [building=hospital; condition=destroyed]
and a [building=warehouse; condition=destroyed].
your opinion?
Best regards,
Rod
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Thank you Michael, Blake, and Russell. I understand, wait for the availability
of images of DG in OSM for identification of devastated buildings. Good to know
that there was already this tag building=damaged/collapsed (and sad), it
renders very informatively and solve it in just one tagging. Cheers, Sérgio.
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Re: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
Hi all, The situation there will likely evolve. More destructions, more informal settlements from refugees, and (hopefully) ultimately rebuilding when things settle. 1. There might be an interest in keeping track of all these changes, and this can be done by looking at feature history or diffs on the OSM database between 2 dates. Are there easy means of doing so? (overpass newer queries may be limited from that respect). 2. Aside from this, we can't be sure a change on-site is immediately followed by a change in the database (it can take time before we notice a house has been destroyed). Therefore a history tag could be added any time we have this information. 3. Third, with tags for damaged or destroyed buildings, I feel there should be a deeper thinking. there is a habit putting things this way, e.g. building=damaged. I am not convinced this is the best possible practice. 3.1. Whether the building used to be building=hospital or building=warehouse... is an information that remains important even when it is destroyed or damaged. But the aforementioned practice wipes this information out. 3.2. many people quickly search for buildings (building=*) with the idea they host people. But if no further attention is paid to those damaged/destroyed building (some may afford people in, some not), they might draw false conclusions (seek to bring relief to deserted areas...). We should at least communicate on the use of building=destroyed. However, to address points 3.1 and 3.2 I would rather suggest we avoid construction/destruction state as values of tag building. This should rather come with a separate tag like e.g. condition (or state_of_repair, etc.). We could then make a difference between a [building=hospital; condition=destroyed] and a [building=warehouse; condition=destroyed]. your opinion? Best regards, Rod On 17/01/15 18:46, S Volk wrote: Thank you Michael, Blake, and Russell. I understand, wait for the availability of images of DG in OSM for identification of devastated buildings. Good to know that there was already this tag building=damaged/collapsed (and sad), it renders very informatively and solve it in just one tagging. Cheers, Sérgio. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Rod Béra, MCF Géomatique/ Lecturer, Geomatics et SIG pour l'Environnement /and Environmental GIS Agrocampus-Ouest|65 r.Saint-Brieuc|CS84215|35042 Rennes cedex|France +33 (0) 223 48 5553 - roderic.b...@agrocampus-ouest.fr ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
On devasted areas (by wars or natural catasptrophes): Hi Jeremy, Pierre, Blake and mappers around, I've been mapping around since Baga massacre have been reported, images on OSM look very good enough in many areas of Northern Nigeria and Cameroun to trace buildings or, at least, road network, alternatively using both sources of images from Bing and Mapbox on iD (sure, better if can get more hi-res images for the hole area). Makes one glad to read people looking for helping to improve mapping in such regions. Thinking in devasted areas tagging, wouldn't it fit to map the real situation if in demolished buildings it were just added a tag like demolished=yes? It's not hard to find those devasted areas and buildings by comparing the images in OSM with recent publicly released satellite images. Guess it would be a great help for humanitarian efforts related to destruction and population displaced (I think also on tasks of Gaza, tsunamis, earthquakes and similars situations). In what Kevin Bullock said, is it confirmed that such satellite images of devastation from Digital Globe released on newspapers, like by Amnesty (https://adam.amnesty.org/asset-bank/action/search?attribute_603=Nigeria+Satellite+Images+January+2015), are free to use to map on OSM by manual comparision? By the way, to represent reality and help the efforts of identification by people using the map, what about if OSM renderize buildings tagged demolished=yes to represent better that they actualy are demolished, perhaps with only outline, or dotted, not shaded? (Anyway, remarking they are different from standing buldings). Sorry if bad english. What do you think? Cheers, Sérgio ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
Hello Sérgio, It's not hard to find those devasted areas and buildings by comparing the images in OSM with recent publicly released satellite images. Guess it would be a great help for humanitarian efforts related to destruction and population displaced (I think also on tasks of Gaza, tsunamis, earthquakes and similars situations). In what Kevin Bullock said, is it confirmed that such satellite images of devastation from Digital Globe released on newspapers, like by Amnesty (https://adam.amnesty.org/asset-bank/action/search?attribute_603=Nigeria+Satellite+Images+January+2015), are free to use to map on OSM by manual comparision? if you look at the images provided in the link from your mail and select View Details then you can read the agreement that these images were specifically licensed to amnesty international for their press release. This means that we cannot use them. By the way, to represent reality and help the efforts of identification by people using the map, what about if OSM renderize buildings tagged demolished=yes to represent better that they actualy are demolished, perhaps with only outline, or dotted, not shaded? (Anyway, remarking they are different from standing buldings). I recall that such tagging schemes were applied for the typhoon mapping in the Philippines, see e.g. the instructions of http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/392, I am not sure if the damage tag has been approved as a general tagging style though. -- /Michael (osm:michael63) / ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
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On 1/17/2015 3:36 PM, S Volk wrote: On devasted areas (by wars or natural catasptrophes): Hi Jeremy, Pierre, Blake and mappers around, I've been mapping around since Baga massacre have been reported, images on OSM look very good enough in many areas of Northern Nigeria and Cameroun to trace buildings or, at least, road network, alternatively using both sources of images from Bing and Mapbox on iD (sure, better if can get more hi-res images for the hole area). This is great Sérgio, that is really going to help. I started looking at it as well. Big road network mapping is probably best done just as we are doing it outside of a Tasking Manager project. It will make any future Tasking Manager projects go much better if those roads are well mapped. It's not hard to find those devasted areas and buildings by comparing the images in OSM with recent publicly released satellite images. Guess it would be a great help for humanitarian efforts related to destruction and population displaced (I think also on tasks of Gaza, tsunamis, earthquakes and similars situations). The good news is that according to Amnesty International, dedicated humanitarian groups can already use those images. The only issue is that our mapping is somewhat complicated because we are creating another resource that has users besides humanitarian orgs, namely the OSM database. And here is another set of images from Human Rights Watch using land coverage comparison from the Spot satellites to show terrible fire devastation as well in some of the villages, 90% destroyed in some areas: http://multimedia.hrw.org/distribute/cxiueadfsb In what Kevin Bullock said, is it confirmed that such satellite images of devastation from Digital Globe released on newspapers, like by Amnesty (https://adam.amnesty.org/asset-bank/action/search?attribute_603=Nigeria+Satellite+Images+January+2015), are free to use to map on OSM by manual comparision? I understand exactly what you are saying. Can we just look at the imagery for example directly on the Amnesty International site and then look at our screen with Bing/Mapbox imagery and draw the areas by looking at landmarks like buildings and trees to mark the devastated areas. I feel the same way you do, that seems like it should be totally fine. Unfortunately, the answer is we are not supposed to do that either unless we have an explicit license to use the imagery for HOT mapping. It is interpreted as just the same as loading it up as a layer in JOSM and tracing, but instead of loading it up in JOSM we are loading it up in our heads and then tracing it and creating a derivative work from those AI images that we do not have explicit permission to do that with. We will get that updated January 2015 imagery eventually, but it will just take a bit longer. We want to make sure we follow exactly what a license allows us to do or prevents us from doing. In the mean time, that imagery is already licensed and being used by the pure NGOs like AI, Human Rights Watch and probably others, so that is great news and typical of the great work DigitalGlobe does around the world, it will filter down to us eventually through the established channels. Sorry if bad english. You speak great english, sorry I don't speak anything else. Cheers, Blake ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
Sérgio and all, There is a tagging scheme for damage, described here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Damaged_buildings_crisis_mapping And there is rendering of damaged/destroyed building in the Humanitarian Tiles, well demonstrated here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/11.2451/124.9934 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/11.2451/124.9934layers=H layers=H the buildings with either orange or red borders (damaged/destroyed). =Russ From: S Volk [mailto:svo...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 7:37 AM To: hot@openstreetmap.org Subject: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ? On devasted areas (by wars or natural catasptrophes): Hi Jeremy, Pierre, Blake and mappers around, I've been mapping around since Baga massacre have been reported, images on OSM look very good enough in many areas of Northern Nigeria and Cameroun to trace buildings or, at least, road network, alternatively using both sources of images from Bing and Mapbox on iD (sure, better if can get more hi-res images for the hole area). Makes one glad to read people looking for helping to improve mapping in such regions. Thinking in devasted areas tagging, wouldn't it fit to map the real situation if in demolished buildings it were just added a tag like demolished=yes? It's not hard to find those devasted areas and buildings by comparing the images in OSM with recent publicly released satellite images. Guess it would be a great help for humanitarian efforts related to destruction and population displaced (I think also on tasks of Gaza, tsunamis, earthquakes and similars situations). In what Kevin Bullock said, is it confirmed that such satellite images of devastation from Digital Globe released on newspapers, like by Amnesty (https://adam.amnesty.org/asset-bank/action/search?attribute_603=Nigeria+Sat ellite+Images+January+2015), are free to use to map on OSM by manual comparision? By the way, to represent reality and help the efforts of identification by people using the map, what about if OSM renderize buildings tagged demolished=yes to represent better that they actualy are demolished, perhaps with only outline, or dotted, not shaded? (Anyway, remarking they are different from standing buldings). Sorry if bad english. What do you think? Cheers, Sérgio ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
Thank you Michael, Blake, and Russell. I understand, wait for the availability of images of DG in OSM for identification of devastated buildings. Good to know that there was already this tag building=damaged/collapsed (and sad), it renders very informatively and solve it in just one tagging.Cheers, Sérgio. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
Hi everyone, Thanks for your contributions ! After carefully reading you, I assume that as long as there isn’t any specific need expressed by NGOs on the field, the most urgent task would be to complete the road network. As indicated by Rafael, we might start by the existing tasks and set up a new task for Borno, Yobe and Adamawa states. Is that correct ? Best, Jeremy 2015-01-15 21:44 GMT+01:00 Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com: Hi Jeremy, I support the idea and project. I will dedicate my time in mapping this to help my West African neighbor. Blake, am interested. Will contact you off list. Regards. On 01/15/2015 07:15 PM, Jorieke Vyncke wrote: Don't have time to help out now with this, but I like the idea! Just a small remark : recently we got high resolution imagery for whole Cameroon from DigitalGlobe. And in the far north along the border with Nigera they face the same problems http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/11341289/Boko-Haram-push-across-border-to-attack-Cameroon-army.html, and Nigerian refugees are coming too... So it might be an idea to start over there? I now a bunch of ngo's are working in the far north, like French Red Cross, GIZ and Unicef. Good luck! Jorieke 2015-01-15 23:03 GMT+06:00 Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com: Hi Jeremy, I support the project idea and am glad to help with creating, documenting and managing projects in the Tasking Manger (which is not the hardest part of a project like this) for whomever would like to manage the overall project. The first step would be to work out the licensing issues with the imagery and it needs to be put on a TMS server so we can use it in iD and JOSM. We have a process for imagery that I am not familiar with except that I know requests always exceed availability in terms of imagery available, hosting and bandwidth to make it available and people power to get it it all arraigned. It seems like the availability is taken care of, not by Amnesty International, but by their imagery provider, DigitalGlobe who is very generous with our HOT mapping needs is my understanding, so I think they are receptive to licensing for our use but would have to specifically grant us permission to use the imagery they provided to AI as it does not look to me like AI's current usage rights would allow us to use it. Plus we would need the georeferenced hi-res source imagery that AI is not providing. Then the hosting issue. But the whole process is something even a fairly new HOT community member can give a try if you (or anyone) is interested. It will just take a bit longer as you will have to learn the process as well as go through it :) If you (or anyone) is interested, I am happy to help, I want to learn the process myself anyway. Just contact me off list and let me know. And of course, this is just my opinion and understanding, I could be missing something totally. Cheers, Blake On 1/15/2015 12:06 PM, Jeremy G wrote: Hi, After the attacks of Boko Haram in Northern Nigeria this january, a similar reaction as in Gaza (mapping before/after with the help of appropriate aerial images) could be appropriate to help build a precise evaluation of the damages. As a fairly new/unexperienced HOT contributor, I couldn't find any indication of such a project. Is it on track already, or is it planned ? Some aerial images released from Amnesty International : https://adam.amnesty.org/asset-bank/action/search?attribute_603=Nigeria+Satellite+Images+January+2015 Best, Jeremy ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing listHOT@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- - Enock Wikipedian | twitter: @Enock4seth Sent via Mozilla Thunderbird ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
Hello Jeremy, Henning and all; First, before getting to your main point; I do not believe we can use that imagery for OSM tracing without first obtaining permission from Amnesty International. The Imagery Asset Details shows the imagery is copyright DigitalGlobe with an agreement that it “Can be distributed to external organisations by AI for human rights work.” – i.e. AI must expressly distribute it to us. Regarding the question of if there is a planned project for this – not that I am aware of. Not to discourage the idea, but one of the biggest deciding factors for HOT to make this an Activation is what the anticipated impact of devoting our resources will have. In other words, is there a response on the ground that needs better maps; in this case it’s probably mostly a Nigerian government response, so I’m not sure they would even use OSM if we made the suggestion. That’s why you’ll find a lot of our Activations originate from our relationships with partner organizations, i.e. we hear from Red Cross/Red Crescent or World Health Organization (as examples) that they’ll be sending people in the field and don’t have good maps, so activating ahead of them can have a real impact on their ability to provide aid. That said, HOT tools are openly available to use for what we call “Humanitarian Mapping Projects”, which in theory anyone who is motivated to coordinate can just pick up and go. So if there is some local OSM community member or HOT community member who thinks there is enough of a benefit to dedicate his or her time, we encourage you to jump on it. As humanitarians I think we all welcome attempts to improve OSM anywhere there is crisis, natural or man-made, but as an organization we unfortunately have a finite amount of resources (mainly people). Sincerely, =Russ Russell Deffner mailto:russell.deff...@hotosm.org russell.deff...@hotosm.org Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT) http://hot.openstreetmap.org/ http://hot.openstreetmap.org/ From: Henning Bolz [mailto:heb...@web.de] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 4:48 AM To: Jeremy G; HOT openstreetmap Subject: Re: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ? Hi Jeremy, Hi all, i would also like to see such a task, be it only to spread information about this unfortunate conflict. Regards Henning(aka user hebolz) Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Januar 2015 um 12:06 Uhr Von: Jeremy G jeremy@gmail.com An: hot@openstreetmap.org Betreff: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ? Hi, After the attacks of Boko Haram in Northern Nigeria this january, a similar reaction as in Gaza (mapping before/after with the help of appropriate aerial images) could be appropriate to help build a precise evaluation of the damages. As a fairly new/unexperienced HOT contributor, I couldn't find any indication of such a project. Is it on track already, or is it planned ? Some aerial images released from Amnesty International : https://adam.amnesty.org/asset-bank/action/search?attribute_603=Nigeria+Satellite+Images+January+2015 Best, Jeremy ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
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Hi Jeremy, I support the project idea and am glad to help with creating, documenting and managing projects in the Tasking Manger (which is not the hardest part of a project like this) for whomever would like to manage the overall project. The first step would be to work out the licensing issues with the imagery and it needs to be put on a TMS server so we can use it in iD and JOSM. We have a process for imagery that I am not familiar with except that I know requests always exceed availability in terms of imagery available, hosting and bandwidth to make it available and people power to get it it all arraigned. It seems like the availability is taken care of, not by Amnesty International, but by their imagery provider, DigitalGlobe who is very generous with our HOT mapping needs is my understanding, so I think they are receptive to licensing for our use but would have to specifically grant us permission to use the imagery they provided to AI as it does not look to me like AI's current usage rights would allow us to use it. Plus we would need the georeferenced hi-res source imagery that AI is not providing. Then the hosting issue. But the whole process is something even a fairly new HOT community member can give a try if you (or anyone) is interested. It will just take a bit longer as you will have to learn the process as well as go through it :) If you (or anyone) is interested, I am happy to help, I want to learn the process myself anyway. Just contact me off list and let me know. And of course, this is just my opinion and understanding, I could be missing something totally. Cheers, Blake On 1/15/2015 12:06 PM, Jeremy G wrote: Hi, After the attacks of Boko Haram in Northern Nigeria this january, a similar reaction as in Gaza (mapping before/after with the help of appropriate aerial images) could be appropriate to help build a precise evaluation of the damages. As a fairly new/unexperienced HOT contributor, I couldn't find any indication of such a project. Is it on track already, or is it planned ? Some aerial images released from Amnesty International : https://adam.amnesty.org/asset-bank/action/search?attribute_603=Nigeria+Satellite+Images+January+2015 Best, Jeremy ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
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Hi Jeremy, I support the idea and project. I will dedicate my time in mapping this to help my West African neighbor. Blake, am interested. Will contact you off list. Regards. On 01/15/2015 07:15 PM, Jorieke Vyncke wrote: Don't have time to help out now with this, but I like the idea! Just a small remark : recently we got high resolution imagery for whole Cameroon from DigitalGlobe. And in the far north along the border with Nigera they face the same problems http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/11341289/Boko-Haram-push-across-border-to-attack-Cameroon-army.html, and Nigerian refugees are coming too... So it might be an idea to start over there? I now a bunch of ngo's are working in the far north, like French Red Cross, GIZ and Unicef. Good luck! Jorieke 2015-01-15 23:03 GMT+06:00 Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com mailto:bgirar...@gmail.com: Hi Jeremy, I support the project idea and am glad to help with creating, documenting and managing projects in the Tasking Manger (which is not the hardest part of a project like this) for whomever would like to manage the overall project. The first step would be to work out the licensing issues with the imagery and it needs to be put on a TMS server so we can use it in iD and JOSM. We have a process for imagery that I am not familiar with except that I know requests always exceed availability in terms of imagery available, hosting and bandwidth to make it available and people power to get it it all arraigned. It seems like the availability is taken care of, not by Amnesty International, but by their imagery provider, DigitalGlobe who is very generous with our HOT mapping needs is my understanding, so I think they are receptive to licensing for our use but would have to specifically grant us permission to use the imagery they provided to AI as it does not look to me like AI's current usage rights would allow us to use it. Plus we would need the georeferenced hi-res source imagery that AI is not providing. Then the hosting issue. But the whole process is something even a fairly new HOT community member can give a try if you (or anyone) is interested. It will just take a bit longer as you will have to learn the process as well as go through it :) If you (or anyone) is interested, I am happy to help, I want to learn the process myself anyway. Just contact me off list and let me know. And of course, this is just my opinion and understanding, I could be missing something totally. Cheers, Blake On 1/15/2015 12:06 PM, Jeremy G wrote: Hi, After the attacks of Boko Haram in Northern Nigeria this january, a similar reaction as in Gaza (mapping before/after with the help of appropriate aerial images) could be appropriate to help build a precise evaluation of the damages. As a fairly new/unexperienced HOT contributor, I couldn't find any indication of such a project. Is it on track already, or is it planned ? Some aerial images released from Amnesty International : https://adam.amnesty.org/asset-bank/action/search?attribute_603=Nigeria+Satellite+Images+January+2015 Best, Jeremy ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org mailto:HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- - Enock Wikipedian | twitter: @Enock4seth Sent via Mozilla Thunderbird ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
[HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
Hi, After the attacks of Boko Haram in Northern Nigeria this january, a similar reaction as in Gaza (mapping before/after with the help of appropriate aerial images) could be appropriate to help build a precise evaluation of the damages. As a fairly new/unexperienced HOT contributor, I couldn't find any indication of such a project. Is it on track already, or is it planned ? Some aerial images released from Amnesty International : https://adam.amnesty.org/asset-bank/action/search?attribute_603=Nigeria+Satellite+Images+January+2015 Best, Jeremy ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
Hi Jeremy, Hi all, i would also like to see such a task, be it only to spread information about this unfortunate conflict. Regards Henning (aka user hebolz) Gesendet:Donnerstag, 15. Januar 2015 um 12:06 Uhr Von:Jeremy G jeremy@gmail.com An:hot@openstreetmap.org Betreff:[HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ? Hi, After the attacks of Boko Haram in Northern Nigeria this january, a similar reaction as in Gaza (mapping before/after with the help of appropriate aerial images) could be appropriate to help build a precise evaluation of the damages. As a fairly new/unexperienced HOT contributor, I couldnt find any indication of such a project. Is it on track already, or is it planned ? Some aerial images released from Amnesty International : https://adam.amnesty.org/asset-bank/action/search?attribute_603=Nigeria+Satellite+Images+January+2015 Best, Jeremy ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
Don't have time to help out now with this, but I like the idea! Just a small remark : recently we got high resolution imagery for whole Cameroon from DigitalGlobe. And in the far north along the border with Nigera they face the same problems http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/11341289/Boko-Haram-push-across-border-to-attack-Cameroon-army.html, and Nigerian refugees are coming too... So it might be an idea to start over there? I now a bunch of ngo's are working in the far north, like French Red Cross, GIZ and Unicef. Good luck! Jorieke 2015-01-15 23:03 GMT+06:00 Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com: Hi Jeremy, I support the project idea and am glad to help with creating, documenting and managing projects in the Tasking Manger (which is not the hardest part of a project like this) for whomever would like to manage the overall project. The first step would be to work out the licensing issues with the imagery and it needs to be put on a TMS server so we can use it in iD and JOSM. We have a process for imagery that I am not familiar with except that I know requests always exceed availability in terms of imagery available, hosting and bandwidth to make it available and people power to get it it all arraigned. It seems like the availability is taken care of, not by Amnesty International, but by their imagery provider, DigitalGlobe who is very generous with our HOT mapping needs is my understanding, so I think they are receptive to licensing for our use but would have to specifically grant us permission to use the imagery they provided to AI as it does not look to me like AI's current usage rights would allow us to use it. Plus we would need the georeferenced hi-res source imagery that AI is not providing. Then the hosting issue. But the whole process is something even a fairly new HOT community member can give a try if you (or anyone) is interested. It will just take a bit longer as you will have to learn the process as well as go through it :) If you (or anyone) is interested, I am happy to help, I want to learn the process myself anyway. Just contact me off list and let me know. And of course, this is just my opinion and understanding, I could be missing something totally. Cheers, Blake On 1/15/2015 12:06 PM, Jeremy G wrote: Hi, After the attacks of Boko Haram in Northern Nigeria this january, a similar reaction as in Gaza (mapping before/after with the help of appropriate aerial images) could be appropriate to help build a precise evaluation of the damages. As a fairly new/unexperienced HOT contributor, I couldn't find any indication of such a project. Is it on track already, or is it planned ? Some aerial images released from Amnesty International : https://adam.amnesty.org/asset-bank/action/search?attribute_603=Nigeria+ Satellite+Images+January+2015 Best, Jeremy ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Mapping Northern Nigeria ?
Hi all: There has been an active mapping effort in North Nigeria since March last year, both mapping with imagery (mainly roads and streets) and data imports [1] from eHealth Africa [2] data. Data imported includes boundaries (at ward level - highest) for the 10 northernmost states, residential areas for all those states too, and health facilities and place nodes. TM jobs are the following: Kano state road network [3] Kano city streets and buildings [4] Kano state health facilities [5] Kano state town and city places [6] Bauchi state road network [7] (This one is actually being worked on by 8 eHealth staff) Bauchi state health facilies [8] Some of the TM jobs are still unfinished. The most affected states by this crisis are Borno, Yobe and Adamawa, but Kano receives many attacks too (recently, a blast in a mosque in central Kano city claimed the live of more than a hundred people. Other states, like Bauchi, aren't safe from attacks either. Apart from Kano (and partially Bauchi and Kaduna), the rest of the states are poorly mapped in terms of roads and mostly everything else. So I think that one of the most urgent jobs would be to map the road network, starting from the states more in need (I would start with Borno, followed by Yobe and Adamawa. If you are interested, I could also contact eHealth Africa for other data that might be interesting to import, like health facilities, place nodes and others (schools perhaps). As far as I am aware of, data collection in Borno and Yobe was very problematic, hard and risky, so it is much less complete than in other states, like Kano for example. They didn't work with Adamawa state (they only had boundaries data, at the LGA level). Most of North Nigeria has hires Bing imagery. I edited a uMap to show that [9]. eHealth Africa may have their own imagery too, and they might be willing to license its use too. Again, I could ask too. Cheers, Rafael Ávila Coya. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Nigeria#eHealth_Africa_Foundation_database_imports [2] http://ehealthafrica.org [3] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/474 [4] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/537 [5] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/566 [6] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/581 [7] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/635 [8] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/637 [9] http://umap.fluv.io/en/map/north-and-central-nigeria-bing-hires-imagery-cover_1580 2015-01-15 16:15 GMT-03:00 Jorieke Vyncke jorieke.vyn...@gmail.com: Don't have time to help out now with this, but I like the idea! Just a small remark : recently we got high resolution imagery for whole Cameroon from DigitalGlobe. And in the far north along the border with Nigera they face the same problems http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/11341289/Boko-Haram-push-across-border-to-attack-Cameroon-army.html, and Nigerian refugees are coming too... So it might be an idea to start over there? I now a bunch of ngo's are working in the far north, like French Red Cross, GIZ and Unicef. Good luck! Jorieke 2015-01-15 23:03 GMT+06:00 Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com: Hi Jeremy, I support the project idea and am glad to help with creating, documenting and managing projects in the Tasking Manger (which is not the hardest part of a project like this) for whomever would like to manage the overall project. The first step would be to work out the licensing issues with the imagery and it needs to be put on a TMS server so we can use it in iD and JOSM. We have a process for imagery that I am not familiar with except that I know requests always exceed availability in terms of imagery available, hosting and bandwidth to make it available and people power to get it it all arraigned. It seems like the availability is taken care of, not by Amnesty International, but by their imagery provider, DigitalGlobe who is very generous with our HOT mapping needs is my understanding, so I think they are receptive to licensing for our use but would have to specifically grant us permission to use the imagery they provided to AI as it does not look to me like AI's current usage rights would allow us to use it. Plus we would need the georeferenced hi-res source imagery that AI is not providing. Then the hosting issue. But the whole process is something even a fairly new HOT community member can give a try if you (or anyone) is interested. It will just take a bit longer as you will have to learn the process as well as go through it :) If you (or anyone) is interested, I am happy to help, I want to learn the process myself anyway. Just contact me off list and let me know. And of course, this is just my opinion and understanding, I could be missing something totally. Cheers, Blake On 1/15/2015 12:06 PM, Jeremy G wrote: Hi, After the attacks of Boko Haram in Northern Nigeria this january, a similar reaction as in Gaza (mapping before/after with the help of appropriate aerial images) could
