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Re: [HOT] Road classification system in Nepal

2015-04-28 Thread Brad Neuhauser

Thanks. Based on the feedback, I tried to clarify the wiki:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal/Roads#Highways_in_Rural_.26_Mountainous_Areas

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Arun Ganesh 
wrote:

> My vote for unpaved mountain roads between settlements is to be tagged
> highway=unclassified + surface=unpaved
>
> highway=track should be reserved for roads from settlements into
> agricultural land as it says in the wiki
>
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Re: [HOT] Road classification system in Nepal

2015-04-28 Thread Arun Ganesh

My vote for unpaved mountain roads between settlements is to be tagged
highway=unclassified + surface=unpaved

highway=track should be reserved for roads from settlements into
agricultural land as it says in the wiki



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Re: [HOT] Road classification system in Nepal

2015-04-28 Thread Brad Neuhauser

So, partly my question is about clarifying the consensus on the Roads page,
but it's also then making sure the correct info is included in the task
instructions.

Just noticed in the Local Roads section of the Nepal Roads page it says
unpaved but motorable roads should be highway=track. That's also what's in
the task instructions. Now a couple people say highway=unclassified would
be better. But the latter was only added to that page yesterday, so is that
the consensus? If so, it should be added or changed in the instructions.

In the section Pedestrian Paths, highway=path is mentioned for dirt (mainly
foot) paths, so I'm assuming that'd be best for the more narrow paths, such
as in the "good rural path" photo? highway=footway is only mentioned in the
context of paved paths on that page, yet, the suspension bridge tagging in
the instructions recommends using footway on those. And in the
instructions, the only suggested tag given for pedestrian paths is
highway=pedestrian. Again, it'd be good to clarify the tagging, then
clarify the instructions.

I'm not trying to be a pest about this, but I've seen the messages
complaining about new mappers. I get the frustration, but if there aren't
clear directions for these common cases, new mappers are left to do the
best they can (and possibly their own frustration), with sometimes messy
results. :)

Cheers, Brad

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:03 AM, althio  wrote:

> On 28 April 2015 at 11:46, Brad Neuhauser 
> wrote:
> > on the Nepal Roads page, there is a section on
> > Highways in Rural & Mountainous Areas which seems to imply that
> highway=path
> > is usually the correct tagging for these roads. Is this correct?
>
> highway=unclassified seems to be favored in
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal/Roads#Highways_in_Rural_.26_Mountainous_Areas
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Re: [HOT] Road classification system in Nepal

2015-04-28 Thread Pierre Béland

Hi Brad,
In the mountains areas, there are often only paths between villages, no roads.
It would help to look with elevation maps to understand the context.
The famous Nepal treks follow these paths. For example, there Langtang trail
where people are reported lost
today.http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1269089 I dont know the status of
the Annapurna trek as of the recent years, but it used to be only on paths, no
roads for more then 200 km.This link shows Chame on this Annapurna trek. Short
segment of roads are reported. We should evaluate if there are really roads
there for these short portions.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/28.5506/84.2717

If not certain about road status in rural areas, First asssure that cars can
circulate.

Where cars can circulate between villages I, would indicate
highway=unclassified. This still can be used by routing tools but has a lesser
priority.
Anyone to document specificities for Nepal?
Pierre

De : Brad Neuhauser
À : Robert Banick
Cc : Pierre Béland ; "HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap
Team)"
Envoyé le : Mardi 28 avril 2015 11h46
Objet : Re: [HOT] Road classification system in Nepal

Longtime OSMer, infrequent HOTtie here, I wanted to follow up with a question
on road tagging: on the Nepal Roads page, there is a section on Highways in
Rural & Mountainous Areas which seems to imply that highway=path is usually the
correct tagging for these roads. Is this correct?

Also, in rural areas, what is the "default" tag that people can use if they're
not sure how to classify a rural road/path? I haven't done a huge amount of
editing on these tasks, but I've seen highway=path, highway=track,
highway=road, highway=footpath, even highway=pedestrian used. I think the road
classifications in the task instructions are better suited for urban areas, and
more guidance for rural areas (where a lot of tracing activity is) would be
helpful.

Thanks!
Brad

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Robert Banick wrote:

Hi All,
Kathmandu Living Labs took the time to compile a really useful tagging guide
specific to Nepal.
There’s one specific tagging guide for roads here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal/Roads
There’s a more general Nepal tagging guide here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmYd3Y40Dfk8dGk4TzgtVmE5RExMVGNncEEzb2JtSHc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
I would strongly recommend following KLL’s guidelines wherever possible, they
put a lot of thought into crafting a tagging scheme specific to Nepal’s context.
And for those who don’t know, a galli is an alley. Very useful word in
Kathmandu :)
Best,Robert
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On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Pierre Béland wrote:

Arun
I also saw a lot of inconsistencies. You can try to contact directly Nama
Budathoki on this list and from Kathmandu living lab in Kathandu.
They have some difficulties and they might not be online.

If you cannot contact, I suggest that you start to revise.
regard
Pierre

De : Arun Ganesh
À : "HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team)"
Envoyé le : Lundi 27 avril 2015 5h49
Objet : [HOT] Road classification system in Nepal

There seems to be inconsistencies in how the roads are classified, with many
National Highways being marked as trunk, primary, secondary, tertiary and even
unclassified.
Based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal/Roads#Road_Classification and
my own experience with roads in India, the tagging should probably be more like
this:
Trunk National Highway (ref=H##): trunkFeeder Roads (ref=F##): primaryDistrict
Roads (ref=D##): secondary
used with appropriate surface=* tag
Can someone from the ground make any recommendations based on practical use?
There does not seem to be any comprehensive documentation of how the existing
tagging scheme came about and it looks quite messy.
The forum has some discussion about this with no clear consensus:
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=30221

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Re: [HOT] Road classification system in Nepal

2015-04-28 Thread althio

On 28 April 2015 at 11:46, Brad Neuhauser  wrote:
> on the Nepal Roads page, there is a section on
> Highways in Rural & Mountainous Areas which seems to imply that highway=path
> is usually the correct tagging for these roads. Is this correct?

highway=unclassified seems to be favored in
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal/Roads#Highways_in_Rural_.26_Mountainous_Areas

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Re: [HOT] Road classification system in Nepal

2015-04-28 Thread Brad Neuhauser

Longtime OSMer, infrequent HOTtie here, I wanted to follow up with a
question on road tagging: on the Nepal Roads page, there is a section on
Highways in Rural & Mountainous Areas which seems to imply that
highway=path is usually the correct tagging for these roads. Is this
correct?

Also, in rural areas, what is the "default" tag that people can use if
they're not sure how to classify a rural road/path? I haven't done a huge
amount of editing on these tasks, but I've seen highway=path,
highway=track, highway=road, highway=footpath, even highway=pedestrian
used. I think the road classifications in the task instructions are better
suited for urban areas, and more guidance for rural areas (where a lot of
tracing activity is) would be helpful.

Thanks!
Brad


On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Robert Banick  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Kathmandu Living Labs took the time to compile a really useful tagging
> guide specific to Nepal.
>
> There’s one specific tagging guide for roads here:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal/Roads
>
> There’s a more general Nepal tagging guide here:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmYd3Y40Dfk8dGk4TzgtVmE5RExMVGNncEEzb2JtSHc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
>
> I would strongly recommend following KLL’s guidelines wherever possible,
> they put a lot of thought into crafting a tagging scheme specific to
> Nepal’s context.
>
> And for those who don’t know, a galli is an alley. Very useful word in
> Kathmandu :)
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
> —
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>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Pierre Béland  wrote:
>
>> Arun
>>
>> I also saw a lot of inconsistencies. You can try to contact directly Nama
>> Budathoki on this list and from Kathmandu living lab in Kathandu.
>>
>> They have some difficulties and they might not be online.
>>
>> If you cannot contact, I suggest that you start to revise.
>>
>> regard
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>>  ------
>> *De :* Arun Ganesh 
>> *À :* "HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team)" 
>>
>> *Envoyé le :* Lundi 27 avril 2015 5h49
>> *Objet :* [HOT] Road classification system in Nepal
>>
>> There seems to be inconsistencies in how the roads are classified, with
>> many National Highways being marked as trunk, primary, secondary, tertiary
>> and even unclassified.
>>
>> Based on
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal/Roads#Road_Classification and
>> my own experience with roads in India, the tagging should probably be more
>> like this:
>>
>> Trunk National Highway (ref=H##): trunk
>> Feeder Roads (ref=F##): primary
>> District Roads (ref=D##): secondary
>>
>>  used with appropriate surface=* tag
>>
>> Can someone from the ground make any recommendations based on practical
>> use? There does not seem to be any comprehensive documentation of how the
>> existing tagging scheme came about and it looks quite messy.
>>
>> The forum has some discussion about this with no clear consensus:
>> http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=30221
>>
>>
>> --
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>> (planemad) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Planemad>
>>   <http://j.mp/ArunGanesh>
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Re: [HOT] Road classification system in Nepal

2015-04-27 Thread Pierre Béland

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  De : Robert Banick 
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Cc : Arun Ganesh ; "HOT@OSM (Humanitarian 
OpenStreetMap Team)"  
 Envoyé le : Lundi 27 avril 2015 8h59
 Objet : Re: [HOT] Road classification system in Nepal
   
Hi All,
Kathmandu Living Labs took the time to compile a really useful tagging guide 
specific to Nepal. 
There’s one specific tagging guide for roads here: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal/Roads
There’s a more general Nepal tagging guide here: 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmYd3Y40Dfk8dGk4TzgtVmE5RExMVGNncEEzb2JtSHc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
I would strongly recommend following KLL’s guidelines wherever possible, they 
put a lot of thought into crafting a tagging scheme specific to Nepal’s context.
And for those who don’t know, a galli is an alley. Very useful word in 
Kathmandu :)
Best,Robert
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On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Pierre Béland  wrote:

Arun
I also saw a lot of inconsistencies. You can try to contact directly Nama 
Budathoki on this list and from Kathmandu living lab in Kathandu.
They have some difficulties and they might not be online. 

If you cannot contact, I suggest that you start to revise.
regard 
 
Pierre 

De : Arun Ganesh 
À : "HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team)"  
Envoyé le : Lundi 27 avril 2015 5h49
Objet : [HOT] Road classification system in Nepal
  
There seems to be inconsistencies in how the roads are classified, with many 
National Highways being marked as trunk, primary, secondary, tertiary and even 
unclassified.
Based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal/Roads#Road_Classification and 
my own experience with roads in India, the tagging should probably be more like 
this:
Trunk National Highway (ref=H##): trunkFeeder Roads (ref=F##): primaryDistrict 
Roads (ref=D##): secondary
used with appropriate surface=* tag
Can someone from the ground make any recommendations based on practical use? 
There does not seem to be any comprehensive documentation of how the existing 
tagging scheme came about and it looks quite messy.
The forum has some discussion about this with no clear consensus: 
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=30221

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Re: [HOT] Road classification system in Nepal

2015-04-27 Thread Robert Banick

Hi All,




Kathmandu Living Labs took the time to compile a really useful tagging guide 
specific to Nepal. 




There’s one specific tagging guide for roads here: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal/Roads




There’s a more general Nepal tagging guide here: 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmYd3Y40Dfk8dGk4TzgtVmE5RExMVGNncEEzb2JtSHc&usp=drive_web#gid=0




I would strongly recommend following KLL’s guidelines wherever possible, they 
put a lot of thought into crafting a tagging scheme specific to Nepal’s context.




And for those who don’t know, a galli is an alley. Very useful word in 
Kathmandu :)




Best,

Robert


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On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Pierre Béland  wrote:

> Arun
> I also saw a lot of inconsistencies. You can try to contact directly Nama 
> Budathoki on this list and from Kathmandu living lab in Kathandu.
> They have some difficulties and they might not be online. 
> If you cannot contact, I suggest that you start to revise.
> regard 
>  
> Pierre 
>   De : Arun Ganesh 
>  À : "HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team)"  
>  Envoyé le : Lundi 27 avril 2015 5h49
>  Objet : [HOT] Road classification system in Nepal
>
> There seems to be inconsistencies in how the roads are classified, with many 
> National Highways being marked as trunk, primary, secondary, tertiary and 
> even unclassified.
> Based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal/Roads#Road_Classification 
> and my own experience with roads in India, the tagging should probably be 
> more like this:
> Trunk National Highway (ref=H##): trunkFeeder Roads (ref=F##): 
> primaryDistrict Roads (ref=D##): secondary
> used with appropriate surface=* tag
> Can someone from the ground make any recommendations based on practical use? 
> There does not seem to be any comprehensive documentation of how the existing 
> tagging scheme came about and it looks quite messy.
> The forum has some discussion about this with no clear consensus: 
> http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=30221
> -- 
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Re: [HOT] Road classification system in Nepal

2015-04-27 Thread Pierre Béland

Arun
I also saw a lot of inconsistencies. You can try to contact directly Nama 
Budathoki on this list and from Kathmandu living lab in Kathandu.
They have some difficulties and they might not be online. 

If you cannot contact, I suggest that you start to revise.
regard 
 
Pierre 

  De : Arun Ganesh 
 À : "HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team)"  
 Envoyé le : Lundi 27 avril 2015 5h49
 Objet : [HOT] Road classification system in Nepal
   
There seems to be inconsistencies in how the roads are classified, with many 
National Highways being marked as trunk, primary, secondary, tertiary and even 
unclassified.
Based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal/Roads#Road_Classification and 
my own experience with roads in India, the tagging should probably be more like 
this:
Trunk National Highway (ref=H##): trunkFeeder Roads (ref=F##): primaryDistrict 
Roads (ref=D##): secondary
used with appropriate surface=* tag
Can someone from the ground make any recommendations based on practical use? 
There does not seem to be any comprehensive documentation of how the existing 
tagging scheme came about and it looks quite messy.
The forum has some discussion about this with no clear consensus: 
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=30221

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[HOT] Road classification system in Nepal

2015-04-27 Thread Arun Ganesh

There seems to be inconsistencies in how the roads are classified, with
many National Highways being marked as trunk, primary, secondary, tertiary
and even unclassified.

Based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal/Roads#Road_Classification
and my own experience with roads in India, the tagging should probably be
more like this:

Trunk National Highway (ref=H##): trunk
Feeder Roads (ref=F##): primary
District Roads (ref=D##): secondary

used with appropriate surface=* tag

Can someone from the ground make any recommendations based on practical
use? There does not seem to be any comprehensive documentation of how the
existing tagging scheme came about and it looks quite messy.

The forum has some discussion about this with no clear consensus:
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=30221


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