[HOT] Video that Best Represents Our Work?

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

Is there a video you think best represents our work? Most videos seem to
focus on one project or are a talk at a conference. Do we have anything
that is less specific?

Thanks,

-Kate

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[HOT] Video that Best Represents Our Work?

[Benson Funk Wilder]

Thanks for the kind words, Dale and Blake.  We're glad the MapGive
 videos are useful but definitely recognize the
limitations - chief among them that the content is currently limited to iD
editing.  For those who haven't seen them there are three videos overall -
the motivational/inspirational/propagandistic "Why Map" video, and the two
training videos on editing with iD and using the TM.

We do have plans (hopefully within the year) to update the training videos
to reflect any changes in iD and OSMTMv2.  We have somewhat less firm plans
to create additional content at this point, but we want everything we
create to flow back into a common repository without duplication,
complementing LearnOSM, Teach OSM, and the other resources out there.
Looking forward to having more conversations about this, starting with
CrisisMappers in a couple weeks.

Cheers,
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Re: [HOT] Video that Best Represents Our Work?

[john whelan]

Talking of videos are there any training videos about what HOT expects?

The reason I ask is that although we break down to give tasks can we break
it down even more.  ie teach someone to do a simple task of map a building
using high resolution satellite imagery, sounds dumb but map one in JOSM, q
it to square it, tag it building=yes, select, c move the mouse to
another v, adjust the four corners, q again etc.

The concept is we can teach people to map buildings on You-tube, its simple
and has value.

Another would teach people how to recognise a road and to tag it or
highway=path.

We may need expertise to map things like water bodies, rivers, streams and
forests but buildings and footpaths in Africa are probably 80% of what
needs to be mapped and you don't need a degree in GIS to do this.  Let's
delegate what we can.

Cheerio John

On 20 October 2014 15:55, Kate Chapman  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Is there a video you think best represents our work? Most videos seem to
> focus on one project or are a talk at a conference. Do we have anything
> that is less specific?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Kate
>
> --
> Kate Chapman
> Executive Director
> email: kate.chap...@hotosm.org
> U.S. mobile: +1 703 673 8834
> Indonesian mobile: +62 82123068370
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Re: [HOT] Video that Best Represents Our Work?

[Emir Hartato]

Hi John.
What Kate asking about is video that can represent HOT activities in
general.

But about the training:
HOT in Indonesia create a series of training video based on LearnOSM.org
material: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRqMbcsT9ummMvByc1BlsDQ

We are going to add English subtitles using Closed Caption feature on
YouTube. We also have the video transcript if anyone wants to translate it
into other language. Replacing original audio into other language also
possible (dubbing)

I don't know about specific video about how to draw buildings (especially
in Africa), maybe someone interested to make one? :)



*Kind Regards,Emir Hartato*


On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:59 AM, john whelan  wrote:

> Talking of videos are there any training videos about what HOT expects?
>
> The reason I ask is that although we break down to give tasks can we break
> it down even more.  ie teach someone to do a simple task of map a building
> using high resolution satellite imagery, sounds dumb but map one in JOSM, q
> it to square it, tag it building=yes, select, c move the mouse to
> another v, adjust the four corners, q again etc.
>
> The concept is we can teach people to map buildings on You-tube, its
> simple and has value.
>
> Another would teach people how to recognise a road and to tag it or
> highway=path.
>
> We may need expertise to map things like water bodies, rivers, streams and
> forests but buildings and footpaths in Africa are probably 80% of what
> needs to be mapped and you don't need a degree in GIS to do this.  Let's
> delegate what we can.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 20 October 2014 15:55, Kate Chapman  wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Is there a video you think best represents our work? Most videos seem to
>> focus on one project or are a talk at a conference. Do we have anything
>> that is less specific?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Kate
>>
>> --
>> Kate Chapman
>> Executive Director
>> email: kate.chap...@hotosm.org
>> U.S. mobile: +1 703 673 8834
>> Indonesian mobile: +62 82123068370
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Re: [HOT] Video that Best Represents Our Work?

[Kate Chapman]

Hi John,

There are a few videos out there, but I don't know of too many recent ones.
You are right a simple screencast showing how to map a building for example
would be really helpful. I made some videos in 2010 about mapping from
imagery in Haiti and people really enjoyed them.

Having updated ones would be great.

Best,

-Kate

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 5:59 PM, john whelan  wrote:

> Talking of videos are there any training videos about what HOT expects?
>
> The reason I ask is that although we break down to give tasks can we break
> it down even more.  ie teach someone to do a simple task of map a building
> using high resolution satellite imagery, sounds dumb but map one in JOSM, q
> it to square it, tag it building=yes, select, c move the mouse to
> another v, adjust the four corners, q again etc.
>
> The concept is we can teach people to map buildings on You-tube, its
> simple and has value.
>
> Another would teach people how to recognise a road and to tag it or
> highway=path.
>
> We may need expertise to map things like water bodies, rivers, streams and
> forests but buildings and footpaths in Africa are probably 80% of what
> needs to be mapped and you don't need a degree in GIS to do this.  Let's
> delegate what we can.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 20 October 2014 15:55, Kate Chapman  wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Is there a video you think best represents our work? Most videos seem to
>> focus on one project or are a talk at a conference. Do we have anything
>> that is less specific?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Kate
>>
>> --
>> Kate Chapman
>> Executive Director
>> email: kate.chap...@hotosm.org
>> U.S. mobile: +1 703 673 8834
>> Indonesian mobile: +62 82123068370
>>
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Re: [HOT] Video that Best Represents Our Work?

[john whelan]

So the fantasy would be a simple screen cast video using something like HOT
task 690 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/690 since it uses the high
resolution satellite imagery, Kevin Bullock's presentation
http://vimeo.com/91880883 covers why this type is best to work from, the
interesting bit starts 5 mins in to the presentation, locally there have
been some clean up issues with lower resolution satellite imagery and
mentioning the use of the JOSM building plug in as mentioned by Tom Taylor
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JkiL8wlvJqdVMgGxKXPzF22YzQ-S08Q31zZQna9CTMk/edit

To come back to the original topic I think you need an overview, starting
perhaps with a couple of interviews from two or three AID agencies about
why the OSM maps are important to them and how they are used.  Then flip to
the sources of data which are made free to use such as DigitalGlobe, UN
place names, and finally a few mappers putting it altogether.  Given that
the maps are useful perhaps Unicef or someone might have some resources for
this?  Or the BBC?

Cheerio John

On 21 October 2014 01:42, Kate Chapman  wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> There are a few videos out there, but I don't know of too many recent
> ones. You are right a simple screencast showing how to map a building for
> example would be really helpful. I made some videos in 2010 about mapping
> from imagery in Haiti and people really enjoyed them.
>
> Having updated ones would be great.
>
> Best,
>
> -Kate
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 5:59 PM, john whelan 
> wrote:
>
>> Talking of videos are there any training videos about what HOT expects?
>>
>> The reason I ask is that although we break down to give tasks can we
>> break it down even more.  ie teach someone to do a simple task of map a
>> building using high resolution satellite imagery, sounds dumb but map one
>> in JOSM, q it to square it, tag it building=yes, select, c move the
>> mouse to another v, adjust the four corners, q again etc.
>>
>> The concept is we can teach people to map buildings on You-tube, its
>> simple and has value.
>>
>> Another would teach people how to recognise a road and to tag it or
>> highway=path.
>>
>> We may need expertise to map things like water bodies, rivers, streams
>> and forests but buildings and footpaths in Africa are probably 80% of what
>> needs to be mapped and you don't need a degree in GIS to do this.  Let's
>> delegate what we can.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 20 October 2014 15:55, Kate Chapman  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Is there a video you think best represents our work? Most videos seem to
>>> focus on one project or are a talk at a conference. Do we have anything
>>> that is less specific?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> -Kate
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kate Chapman
>>> Executive Director
>>> email: kate.chap...@hotosm.org
>>> U.S. mobile: +1 703 673 8834
>>> Indonesian mobile: +62 82123068370
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>
>
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Re: [HOT] Video that Best Represents Our Work?

[Blake Girardot]

I intend to re-do this how-to I made in answer to a question on this 
list a little while back:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=042TbopS7HM

It was done without much preparation and to answer some specific 
questions so it needs some adjustments (and I make a mistake in mapping 
if you look closely), but I think it is close to what you are talking 
about for a quick description of mapping buildings.


It also uses iD as that is what the person who asked the question used 
and it is what most new mappers will be using.


There should be one like it for JOSM as well which I will do.

I will also do a second one about roads in each editor.

Regards,
Blake





On 10/21/2014 7:58 AM, john whelan wrote:

So the fantasy would be a simple screen cast video using something like
HOT task 690 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/690 since it uses the high
resolution satellite imagery, Kevin Bullock's presentation
http://vimeo.com/91880883 covers why this type is best to work from, the
interesting bit starts 5 mins in to the presentation, locally there have
been some clean up issues with lower resolution satellite imagery and
mentioning the use of the JOSM building plug in as mentioned by Tom
Taylor
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JkiL8wlvJqdVMgGxKXPzF22YzQ-S08Q31zZQna9CTMk/edit

To come back to the original topic I think you need an overview,
starting perhaps with a couple of interviews from two or three AID
agencies about why the OSM maps are important to them and how they are
used.  Then flip to the sources of data which are made free to use such
as DigitalGlobe, UN place names, and finally a few mappers putting it
altogether.  Given that the maps are useful perhaps Unicef or someone
might have some resources for this?  Or the BBC?

Cheerio John

On 21 October 2014 01:42, Kate Chapman mailto:kate.chap...@hotosm.org>> wrote:

Hi John,

There are a few videos out there, but I don't know of too many
recent ones. You are right a simple screencast showing how to map a
building for example would be really helpful. I made some videos in
2010 about mapping from imagery in Haiti and people really enjoyed
them.

Having updated ones would be great.

Best,

-Kate

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 5:59 PM, john whelan mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Talking of videos are there any training videos about what HOT
expects?

The reason I ask is that although we break down to give tasks
can we break it down even more.  ie teach someone to do a simple
task of map a building using high resolution satellite imagery,
sounds dumb but map one in JOSM, q it to square it, tag it
building=yes, select, c move the mouse to another v,
adjust the four corners, q again etc.

The concept is we can teach people to map buildings on You-tube,
its simple and has value.

Another would teach people how to recognise a road and to tag it
or highway=path.

We may need expertise to map things like water bodies, rivers,
streams and forests but buildings and footpaths in Africa are
probably 80% of what needs to be mapped and you don't need a
degree in GIS to do this.  Let's delegate what we can.

Cheerio John

On 20 October 2014 15:55, Kate Chapman mailto:kate.chap...@hotosm.org>> wrote:

Hi All,

Is there a video you think best represents our work? Most
videos seem to focus on one project or are a talk at a
conference. Do we have anything that is less specific?

Thanks,

-Kate

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Executive Director
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U.S. mobile: +1 703 673 8834
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Re: [HOT] Video that Best Represents Our Work?

[Pierre Béland]

Last year on the learning WG, we discussed about making videos tutorials but it 
did not go further.
 
This discussion on video tutorials brings in a few questions. 

For buildings, the best practice is to use JOSM. We should first make videos 
for JOSM and I dont think that we should favor people using ID for example 
until a building plugin is provided. 

In videos, it is important that Texts on the menu bar be readable.

A Text section that describes action, key pressed for a specific function, 
facilitates learning. For example :
- shortkey s Select features
- shortkey a Draw nodes and lines
- shortkey b Buildings
- shortkey x Surface making

I have seen various Tutorials with a detailed Table of contents and short 
videos for each task, a few minutes maximum. I think that this is the best 
approach. I wonder how verbose we should be.

A platform that facilitates translations should be used.

 
Pierre 




 De : Blake Girardot 
À : john whelan  
Cc : "hot@openstreetmap.org"  
Envoyé le : Mardi 21 octobre 2014 8h12
Objet : Re: [HOT] Video that Best Represents Our Work?
 

I intend to re-do this how-to I made in answer to a question on this 
list a little while back:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=042TbopS7HM

It was done without much preparation and to answer some specific 
questions so it needs some adjustments (and I make a mistake in mapping 
if you look closely), but I think it is close to what you are talking 
about for a quick description of mapping buildings.

It also uses iD as that is what the person who asked the question used 
and it is what most new mappers will be using.

There should be one like it for JOSM as well which I will do.

I will also do a second one about roads in each editor.

Regards,
Blake





On 10/21/2014 7:58 AM, john whelan wrote:
> So the fantasy would be a simple screen cast video using something like
> HOT task 690 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/690 since it uses the high
> resolution satellite imagery, Kevin Bullock's presentation
> http://vimeo.com/91880883 covers why this type is best to work from, the
> interesting bit starts 5 mins in to the presentation, locally there have
> been some clean up issues with lower resolution satellite imagery and
> mentioning the use of the JOSM building plug in as mentioned by Tom
> Taylor
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JkiL8wlvJqdVMgGxKXPzF22YzQ-S08Q31zZQna9CTMk/edit
>
> To come back to the original topic I think you need an overview,
> starting perhaps with a couple of interviews from two or three AID
> agencies about why the OSM maps are important to them and how they are
> used.  Then flip to the sources of data which are made free to use such
> as DigitalGlobe, UN place names, and finally a few mappers putting it
> altogether.  Given that the maps are useful perhaps Unicef or someone
> might have some resources for this?  Or the BBC?
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 21 October 2014 01:42, Kate Chapman  <mailto:kate.chap...@hotosm.org>> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> There are a few videos out there, but I don't know of too many
> recent ones. You are right a simple screencast showing how to map a
> building for example would be really helpful. I made some videos in
> 2010 about mapping from imagery in Haiti and people really enjoyed
> them.
>
> Having updated ones would be great.
>
> Best,
>
> -Kate
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 5:59 PM, john whelan  <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Talking of videos are there any training videos about what HOT
> expects?
>
> The reason I ask is that although we break down to give tasks
> can we break it down even more.  ie teach someone to do a simple
> task of map a building using high resolution satellite imagery,
> sounds dumb but map one in JOSM, q it to square it, tag it
> building=yes, select, c move the mouse to another v,
> adjust the four corners, q again etc.
>
> The concept is we can teach people to map buildings on You-tube,
> its simple and has value.
>
> Another would teach people how to recognise a road and to tag it
> or highway=path.
>
> We may need expertise to map things like water bodies, rivers,
> streams and forests but buildings and footpaths in Africa are
> probably 80% of what needs to be mapped and you don't need a
> degree in GIS to do this.  Let's delegate what we can.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 20 October 2014 15:55, Kate Chapman  <mailto:kate.chap...@hotosm.org>> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Is there a video you think best represents our work? Most
>   

Re: [HOT] Video that Best Represents Our Work?

[Dale Kunce]

MapGive is already done a lot of this, rather well I might add. Can't we
support them and suggest new videos to create.

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Pierre Béland  wrote:

> Last year on the learning WG, we discussed about making videos tutorials
> but it did not go further.
>
> This discussion on video tutorials brings in a few questions.
>
> For buildings, the best practice is to use JOSM. We should first make
> videos for JOSM and I dont think that we should favor people using ID for
> example until a building plugin is provided.
>
> In videos, it is important that Texts on the menu bar be readable.
>
> A Text section that describes action, key pressed for a specific function,
> facilitates learning. For example :
> - shortkey s Select features
> - shortkey a Draw nodes and lines
> - shortkey b Buildings
> - shortkey x Surface making
>
> I have seen various Tutorials with a detailed Table of contents and short
> videos for each task, a few minutes maximum. I think that this is the best
> approach. I wonder how verbose we should be.
>
> A platform that facilitates translations should be used.
>
> Pierre
>
>   --
>  *De :* Blake Girardot 
> *À :* john whelan 
> *Cc :* "hot@openstreetmap.org" 
> *Envoyé le :* Mardi 21 octobre 2014 8h12
> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Video that Best Represents Our Work?
>
> I intend to re-do this how-to I made in answer to a question on this
> list a little while back:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=042TbopS7HM
>
> It was done without much preparation and to answer some specific
> questions so it needs some adjustments (and I make a mistake in mapping
> if you look closely), but I think it is close to what you are talking
> about for a quick description of mapping buildings.
>
> It also uses iD as that is what the person who asked the question used
> and it is what most new mappers will be using.
>
> There should be one like it for JOSM as well which I will do.
>
> I will also do a second one about roads in each editor.
>
> Regards,
> Blake
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/21/2014 7:58 AM, john whelan wrote:
> > So the fantasy would be a simple screen cast video using something like
> > HOT task 690 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/690 since it uses the high
> > resolution satellite imagery, Kevin Bullock's presentation
> > http://vimeo.com/91880883 covers why this type is best to work from, the
> > interesting bit starts 5 mins in to the presentation, locally there have
> > been some clean up issues with lower resolution satellite imagery and
> > mentioning the use of the JOSM building plug in as mentioned by Tom
> > Taylor
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JkiL8wlvJqdVMgGxKXPzF22YzQ-S08Q31zZQna9CTMk/edit
> >
> > To come back to the original topic I think you need an overview,
> > starting perhaps with a couple of interviews from two or three AID
> > agencies about why the OSM maps are important to them and how they are
> > used.  Then flip to the sources of data which are made free to use such
> > as DigitalGlobe, UN place names, and finally a few mappers putting it
> > altogether.  Given that the maps are useful perhaps Unicef or someone
> > might have some resources for this?  Or the BBC?
> >
> > Cheerio John
> >
> > On 21 October 2014 01:42, Kate Chapman  > <mailto:kate.chap...@hotosm.org>> wrote:
> >
> >Hi John,
> >
> >There are a few videos out there, but I don't know of too many
> >recent ones. You are right a simple screencast showing how to map a
> >building for example would be really helpful. I made some videos in
> >2010 about mapping from imagery in Haiti and people really enjoyed
> >them.
> >
> >Having updated ones would be great.
> >
> >Best,
> >
> >-Kate
> >
> >On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 5:59 PM, john whelan  ><mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >Talking of videos are there any training videos about what HOT
> >expects?
> >
> >The reason I ask is that although we break down to give tasks
> >can we break it down even more.  ie teach someone to do a simple
> >task of map a building using high resolution satellite imagery,
> >sounds dumb but map one in JOSM, q it to square it, tag it
> >building=yes, select, c move the mouse to another v,
> >adjust the four corners, q again etc.
> >
> >The concept is we can teach people to map buildings on You-tube,
> >its simple and has value.
&g

Re: [HOT] Video that Best Represents Our Work?

[Blake Girardot]

Hi Dale,

I agree 100% that MapGive has done excellent work. The only videos they 
have done are these that I know of:


http://mapgive.state.gov/learn-to-map/

And that is the main link I give out when posting on forums or any other 
outreach I do. It is how I got started mapping and still think that page 
is the best place for people to quickly get a straight forward, careful 
and well done introduction to HOT mapping.


Do you know anyone at MapGive? Because, yes, they do excellent work and 
if they would be willing to make a few videos that are a little more 
advanced and specific to mapping buildings and roads that would be 
spectacular.


Please let me know and I will contact them and talk with them about it 
if that is ok.


Best wishes,
Blake



On 10/21/2014 11:15 AM, Dale Kunce wrote:

MapGive is already done a lot of this, rather well I might add. Can't we
support them and suggest new videos to create.

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Pierre Béland mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr>> wrote:

Last year on the learning WG, we discussed about making videos
tutorials but it did not go further.

This discussion on video tutorials brings in a few questions.

For buildings, the best practice is to use JOSM. We should first
make videos for JOSM and I dont think that we should favor people
using ID for example until a building plugin is provided.

In videos, it is important that Texts on the menu bar be readable.

A Text section that describes action, key pressed for a specific
function, facilitates learning. For example :
- shortkey s Select features
- shortkey a Draw nodes and lines
- shortkey b Buildings
- shortkey x Surface making

I have seen various Tutorials with a detailed Table of contents and
short videos for each task, a few minutes maximum. I think that this
is the best approach. I wonder how verbose we should be.

A platform that facilitates translations should be used.
Pierre


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I intend to re-do this how-to I made in answer to a question on this
list a little while back:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=042TbopS7HM

It was done without much preparation and to answer some specific
questions so it needs some adjustments (and I make a mistake in mapping
if you look closely), but I think it is close to what you are talking
about for a quick description of mapping buildings.

It also uses iD as that is what the person who asked the question used
and it is what most new mappers will be using.

There should be one like it for JOSM as well which I will do.

I will also do a second one about roads in each editor.

Regards,
Blake





On 10/21/2014 7:58 AM, john whelan wrote:
 > So the fantasy would be a simple screen cast video using
something like
 > HOT task 690 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/690
<http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/690>since it uses the high
 > resolution satellite imagery, Kevin Bullock's presentation
 > http://vimeo.com/91880883 <http://vimeo.com/91880883>covers why
this type is best to work from, the
 > interesting bit starts 5 mins in to the presentation, locally
there have
 > been some clean up issues with lower resolution satellite imagery and
 > mentioning the use of the JOSM building plug in as mentioned by Tom
 > Taylor
 >

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JkiL8wlvJqdVMgGxKXPzF22YzQ-S08Q31zZQna9CTMk/edit
 >
 > To come back to the original topic I think you need an overview,
 > starting perhaps with a couple of interviews from two or three AID
 > agencies about why the OSM maps are important to them and how
they are
 > used.  Then flip to the sources of data which are made free to
use such
 > as DigitalGlobe, UN place names, and finally a few mappers putting it
 > altogether.  Given that the maps are useful perhaps Unicef or someone
 > might have some resources for this?  Or the BBC?
 >
 > Cheerio John
 >
 > On 21 October 2014 01:42, Kate Chapman mailto:kate.chap...@hotosm.org>
 > <mailto:kate.chap...@hotosm.org
<mailto:kate.chap...@hotosm.org>>> wrote:
 >
 >Hi John,
 >
 >There are a few videos out there, but I don't know of too many
 >recent ones. You are right a simple screencast showing how to
map a
 >building for example would be re

Re: [HOT] Video that Best Represents Our Work?

[Blake Girardot]

On 10/21/2014 10:19 AM, Pierre Béland wrote:


For buildings, the best practice is to use JOSM. We should first make
videos for JOSM and I dont think that we should favor people using ID
for example until a building plugin is provided.


Hi Pierre,

I agree with you 100%, but I feel that reality is most new mappers use 
iD and new mappers need support materials the most.


Done correctly iD can do the same job JOSM can for W. Africa building 
mapping. It is a tiny bit more work, but not that bad.


The main thing is getting new mappers doing high quality mapping as 
quickly as possible in whatever editor they want to use. If they are 
doing the sort of mapping that JOSM makes easier but using iD I do not 
think it matters at all they are using iD.


Having done a few informal tutorials, both text and video for HOT 
mapping, every time I did only JOSM, I got a couple of emails asking for 
the same thing in iD so now I focus on iD first and JOSM second.


Cheers,
Blake

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Re: [HOT] Video that Best Represents Our Work?

[Dale Kunce]

Blake I also forgot to mention that I think your video you did is great.

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Blake Girardot 
wrote:

>
>
> On 10/21/2014 10:19 AM, Pierre Béland wrote:
>
>  For buildings, the best practice is to use JOSM. We should first make
>> videos for JOSM and I dont think that we should favor people using ID
>> for example until a building plugin is provided.
>>
>
> Hi Pierre,
>
> I agree with you 100%, but I feel that reality is most new mappers use iD
> and new mappers need support materials the most.
>
> Done correctly iD can do the same job JOSM can for W. Africa building
> mapping. It is a tiny bit more work, but not that bad.
>
> The main thing is getting new mappers doing high quality mapping as
> quickly as possible in whatever editor they want to use. If they are doing
> the sort of mapping that JOSM makes easier but using iD I do not think it
> matters at all they are using iD.
>
> Having done a few informal tutorials, both text and video for HOT mapping,
> every time I did only JOSM, I got a couple of emails asking for the same
> thing in iD so now I focus on iD first and JOSM second.
>
> Cheers,
> Blake
>
>
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Re: [HOT] Video that Best Represents Our Work?

[Ray Kiddy]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:12:44 -0400
Blake Girardot  wrote:

> I intend to re-do this how-to I made in answer to a question on this 
> list a little while back:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=042TbopS7HM
> 
> It was done without much preparation and to answer some specific 
> questions so it needs some adjustments (and I make a mistake in
> mapping if you look closely), but I think it is close to what you are
> talking about for a quick description of mapping buildings.
> 
> It also uses iD as that is what the person who asked the question
> used and it is what most new mappers will be using.
> 
> There should be one like it for JOSM as well which I will do.
> 
> I will also do a second one about roads in each editor.
> 
> Regards,
> Blake


This video is really great. I went to a presentation in Oakland CA
last week where I was introduced to HOT and my first thought when doing
something at home was "... there has to be a video that explains some
of this ..." and here it is.

Any hints on how to fix this thing with iD? One clicks on Line or Shape
and there is a __huge__ tooltip which completely gets in the way of
using the pointer. It goes away eventually but, wow. Bothersome to say
the least.

Well, I grabbed a copy of the source for iD on github. We will see.

Or, perhaps I have too much experience with other mapping tools and am
already hitting the "OMG I have to learn JOSM" point in my mapping
career. I imagine most people hit that wall and most get past it.

I am going to try to use iD for a while and see if I can find more
videos like Blake's. And as I figure things out, I might record some
myself. Onwards and upwards and all that.

cheers - ray


> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/21/2014 7:58 AM, john whelan wrote:
> > So the fantasy would be a simple screen cast video using something
> > like HOT task 690 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/690 since it uses
> > the high resolution satellite imagery, Kevin Bullock's presentation
> > http://vimeo.com/91880883 covers why this type is best to work
> > from, the interesting bit starts 5 mins in to the presentation,
> > locally there have been some clean up issues with lower resolution
> > satellite imagery and mentioning the use of the JOSM building plug
> > in as mentioned by Tom Taylor
> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JkiL8wlvJqdVMgGxKXPzF22YzQ-S08Q31zZQna9CTMk/edit
> >
> > To come back to the original topic I think you need an overview,
> > starting perhaps with a couple of interviews from two or three AID
> > agencies about why the OSM maps are important to them and how they
> > are used.  Then flip to the sources of data which are made free to
> > use such as DigitalGlobe, UN place names, and finally a few mappers
> > putting it altogether.  Given that the maps are useful perhaps
> > Unicef or someone might have some resources for this?  Or the BBC?
> >
> > Cheerio John
> >
> > On 21 October 2014 01:42, Kate Chapman  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > There are a few videos out there, but I don't know of too many
> > recent ones. You are right a simple screencast showing how to
> > map a building for example would be really helpful. I made some
> > videos in 2010 about mapping from imagery in Haiti and people
> > really enjoyed them.
> >
> > Having updated ones would be great.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > -Kate
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 5:59 PM, john whelan
> > mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Talking of videos are there any training videos about what
> > HOT expects?
> >
> > The reason I ask is that although we break down to give
> > tasks can we break it down even more.  ie teach someone to do a
> > simple task of map a building using high resolution satellite
> > imagery, sounds dumb but map one in JOSM, q it to square it, tag it
> > building=yes, select, c move the mouse to another
> > v, adjust the four corners, q again etc.
> >
> > The concept is we can teach people to map buildings on
> > You-tube, its simple and has value.
> >
> > Another would teach people how to recognise a road and to
> > tag it or highway=path.
> >
> > We may need expertise to map things like water bodies,
> > rivers, streams and forests but buildings and footpaths in Africa
> > are probably 80% of what needs to be mapped and you don't need a
> > degree in GIS to do this.  Let's delegate what we can.
> >
> > Cheerio John
> >
> > On 20 October 2014 15:55, Kate Chapman
> > mailto:kate.chap...@hotosm.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Is there a video you think best represents our work?
> > Most videos seem to focus on one project or are a talk at a
> > conference. Do we have anything that is less specific?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Kate
> >
> > --
> > Kate Chapman
> > Executive Director
> > email: kate.chap...@hotosm.org 
> >   

Re: [HOT] Video that Best Represents Our Work?

[Blake Girardot]

Hi Ray,

Thank you for the kind words.

My only comment is that learning JOSM will be much easier than you think.

The nice thing about JOSM is that you do not need to learn very much at 
all to get started using it effectively.


http://learnosm.org/en/beginner/start-josm/ is a great learning site for 
JOSM.


It will make all your mapping easier and quicker so for sure any effort 
spent learning it will pay off a lot later.


Then as you go forward, if you need more functionality you can explore 
JOSM more, it is very configurable and extensible.


One thing is to get the "buildings_tools" plugin installed right away. 
This is the demonstration video for the plug in and it shows quickly how 
to install it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEQo4Jm-aPY


As always, just ask if you have any questions.

Best wishes,
Blake


On 10/22/2014 5:19 PM, Ray Kiddy wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:12:44 -0400
Blake Girardot  wrote:


I intend to re-do this how-to I made in answer to a question on this
list a little while back:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=042TbopS7HM

It was done without much preparation and to answer some specific
questions so it needs some adjustments (and I make a mistake in
mapping if you look closely), but I think it is close to what you are
talking about for a quick description of mapping buildings.

It also uses iD as that is what the person who asked the question
used and it is what most new mappers will be using.

There should be one like it for JOSM as well which I will do.

I will also do a second one about roads in each editor.

Regards,
Blake



This video is really great. I went to a presentation in Oakland CA
last week where I was introduced to HOT and my first thought when doing
something at home was "... there has to be a video that explains some
of this ..." and here it is.

Any hints on how to fix this thing with iD? One clicks on Line or Shape
and there is a __huge__ tooltip which completely gets in the way of
using the pointer. It goes away eventually but, wow. Bothersome to say
the least.

Well, I grabbed a copy of the source for iD on github. We will see.

Or, perhaps I have too much experience with other mapping tools and am
already hitting the "OMG I have to learn JOSM" point in my mapping
career. I imagine most people hit that wall and most get past it.

I am going to try to use iD for a while and see if I can find more
videos like Blake's. And as I figure things out, I might record some
myself. Onwards and upwards and all that.

cheers - ray







On 10/21/2014 7:58 AM, john whelan wrote:

So the fantasy would be a simple screen cast video using something
like HOT task 690 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/690 since it uses
the high resolution satellite imagery, Kevin Bullock's presentation
http://vimeo.com/91880883 covers why this type is best to work
from, the interesting bit starts 5 mins in to the presentation,
locally there have been some clean up issues with lower resolution
satellite imagery and mentioning the use of the JOSM building plug
in as mentioned by Tom Taylor
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JkiL8wlvJqdVMgGxKXPzF22YzQ-S08Q31zZQna9CTMk/edit

To come back to the original topic I think you need an overview,
starting perhaps with a couple of interviews from two or three AID
agencies about why the OSM maps are important to them and how they
are used.  Then flip to the sources of data which are made free to
use such as DigitalGlobe, UN place names, and finally a few mappers
putting it altogether.  Given that the maps are useful perhaps
Unicef or someone might have some resources for this?  Or the BBC?

Cheerio John

On 21 October 2014 01:42, Kate Chapmanmailto:kate.chap...@hotosm.org>>  wrote:

 Hi John,

 There are a few videos out there, but I don't know of too many
 recent ones. You are right a simple screencast showing how to
map a building for example would be really helpful. I made some
videos in 2010 about mapping from imagery in Haiti and people
really enjoyed them.

 Having updated ones would be great.

 Best,

 -Kate

 On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 5:59 PM, john whelan
mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>>  wrote:

 Talking of videos are there any training videos about what
HOT expects?

 The reason I ask is that although we break down to give
tasks can we break it down even more.  ie teach someone to do a
simple task of map a building using high resolution satellite
imagery, sounds dumb but map one in JOSM, q it to square it, tag it
 building=yes, select,c move the mouse to another
v, adjust the four corners, q again etc.

 The concept is we can teach people to map buildings on
You-tube, its simple and has value.

 Another would teach people how to recognise a road and to
tag it or highway=path.

 We may need expertise to map things like water bodies,
rivers, streams and forests but buildings and footpaths in Africa
are probably 80% of what needs to be mapped and you don't need a