Re: [HOT] Questions regarding Missing Maps Mapping Party in the Netherlands
You can make a case for both, but if bandwidth or Internet connection is an issue then I understand iD is more sensitive to this so JOSM might be more appropriate and if you have more experienced mappers present to assist they will almost certainly be more familiar with JOSM. Raspberry Pi ain't the most powerful single card computer out there but at 4.5 million and counting the processes and documentation available mean it is often the computer of choice for some applications. For beginners in HOT we are essentially trying to spend as little time as possible teaching them and getting as much useful mapping out of them as we can. So teach them something simple like mapping a building in a tool that is well known to any experienced mappers we happen to have available makes a lot of sense. If you have a group of mappers for HOT mapping then teaching them to map a building in JOSM is quick and simple with the JOSM building tool whilst iD defaults to area=yes when mapping buildings and I've corrected several hundred of these already. area=yes doesn't render very well as a building so we've essentially wasted the beginner's mappers time. HOT mapping often seems to involve mapping lots of buildings, very few tags as working from imagery it is difficult to spot shops etc. It's boring and repetitive to say the least after the first thousand or so. To keep people going some feedback would be useful, tags on a few buildings or street names would help the feeling that you aren't working in isolation and no one will ever look at the map you are creating. The work in Bangladesh has shown that getting information from walking papers into OSM to enrich the tags is not as quick or simple as it could be. Perhaps we need some sort of standard device with OSMAND on it to add POI information easily for HOT mapping. If you are trying to introduce them to OSM and not be overwhelmed then iD may well be the best choice. If you are trying to map buildings within a certain time frame with inexperienced mappers then JOSM building tool plugin leaves less room for errors and is more likely to produce usable output for HOT. Note these are different objectives. Cheerio John On 5 February 2015 at 16:40, Paul Norman wrote: > On 2/3/2015 11:59 PM, Willy Bakker wrote: > >> >> Firstly, which editor would you recommend for beginners? In Berlin during >> the Open Knowledge Festival I attended a HOT workshop where the iD editor >> was used; at the mapping party in Antwerp in december they used JOSM. Which >> one is the best for beginners? >> > > Assuming that the computers are capable of running both JOSM and iD, I > would recommend iD for beginners. I mainly use JOSM myself, but find myself > using iD more for some edits. > > iD's presets make it significantly easier for mappers to tag objects > appropriately as the raw tags are abstracted from them. JOSM's presets do > not do this as well, still being focused on the raw tags. iD should have > everything needed for a normal mapping workflow, while JOSM presents many > tools useless to most mappers. > > Stepping through the built-in tutorial will get most people up to speed > for what they need to know to start mapping, and gives you a starting point > for your workshop. > > > > ___ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Questions regarding Missing Maps Mapping Party in the Netherlands
On 2/3/2015 11:59 PM, Willy Bakker wrote: Firstly, which editor would you recommend for beginners? In Berlin during the Open Knowledge Festival I attended a HOT workshop where the iD editor was used; at the mapping party in Antwerp in december they used JOSM. Which one is the best for beginners? Assuming that the computers are capable of running both JOSM and iD, I would recommend iD for beginners. I mainly use JOSM myself, but find myself using iD more for some edits. iD's presets make it significantly easier for mappers to tag objects appropriately as the raw tags are abstracted from them. JOSM's presets do not do this as well, still being focused on the raw tags. iD should have everything needed for a normal mapping workflow, while JOSM presents many tools useless to most mappers. Stepping through the built-in tutorial will get most people up to speed for what they need to know to start mapping, and gives you a starting point for your workshop. ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Questions regarding Missing Maps Mapping Party in the Netherlands
Thank you very much for your feedback! We really appreciate it. I'll keep you posted on our final decision for an editor. Willy > Op 5 feb. 2015 om 00:07 heeft Pierre Béland het volgende > geschreven: > > JOSM is the editor used by the majority of contributors and skilled skilled > contributors are more familiar with it. They probably dont know ID very well > and this will reduce their capacity to support the new contributors. The > objective is not to produce a maximum of edits but to start on good bases, to > make people confident they understand the principles and will be able to > contribute later while back at home. > > We observe a lot of errors made by the beginners. It would be important also > during the day to look back to the edits and suggest corrections, assure that > everybody understand the basic principles of the mapping, how to make precise > and accurate mapping with the relevant tags. > > For the software installation, what could simply be done in preparation of > Mapathons is to send short instructions for JOSM installation > - assure that you have java 7 installed > - download JOSM > The url https://josm.openstreetmap.de/download/josm.jnlp > is recommended for all OS. > > At the beginning of the session there might be a few contributors that will > need support. This should normally be fixed rapidly. Using a projector, it is > then possbile to show how to install plugins such as Buildings and > UtilsPlugin2 while the skilled contributors support others. > > > Pierre > > De : Milo van der Linden > À : Jan van Bekkum > Cc : hot > Envoyé le : Mercredi 4 février 2015 15h24 > Objet : Re: [HOT] Questions regarding Missing Maps Mapping Party in the > Netherlands > > Why go through the trouble of installing? People are doing remote tasks and > have no gpx files, field papers or geotagged photos. Because then I would > certainly advise josm. > I think time is valuable. If you have 10 computers and spend 5 minutes per > install, you lost an hour of a half day event.. > > > On Feb 4, 2015 8:37 PM, "Jan van Bekkum" wrote: > Can't you ask participants to install JOSM before they arrive? > > On Wed Feb 04 2015 at 8:21:56 PM Jorieke Vyncke > wrote: > Hello Willy, > > Just some of my thoughts: > > In Antwerp we used JOSM because we had loads of time. It takes maybe a little > longer to install JOSM, but teaching and learning how to map is on the same > level. You only have more mapping possibilities with JOSM... On the > installation, when everybody is arriving at the mapathon and setting up his > computer, you can let the participants already install JOSM and make them > create a login before the 'real training' starts. > > If you are not sure about the stability of the internet connection it might > also be better to use JOSM, because for ID you need all the time a stable > internet connection. > > Further; are people bringing their own laptops or not? If you are planning to > work on fixed computers it might be better to work with ID, because in a lot > of universities, companies, etc. there are restrictions in installing JOSM or > other software on their computers. So if you plan to work with JOSM on fixed > computers it might be good check and to install JOSM already on every > computer of the room. If you plan to work with ID, you shouldn't have any > problems. > > But one of the main important things is: what is your favourite mapping > editor? Because this editor you probably can explain the best. Besides you, > as teacher, you also need some 'helpers' who can stand behind the mappers who > are trying to follow what you are explaining. In my opinion it's the best to > have at least 1 person behind 6 or 7 participants, to guide them in the > mapping. So these people also need to master ID or JOSM. > > Please inform me about what you decided, so we can share some more advice > with you > > And for the validation, I absolutely follow Dan. :-) > > Groetjes, Jorieke > > 2015-02-04 9:30 GMT+01:00 Dan S : > Hi, > > I'd recommend using iD for beginners - and actually, I'd recommend > using iD if this is your first time organising a mapping party, > because if you use JOSM you will be submerged in annoying problems > installing JOSM on people's computers and that's no fun! It can be > done but it helps to have more experience. > > For validating, I'd say any mapper who can use JOSM and has been > involved in a couple of HOT tasks in the past. It's definitely a good > idea of yours to validate as soon as possible, and get feedback > straight
Re: [HOT] Questions regarding Missing Maps Mapping Party in the Netherlands
JOSM can be ran from anywhere, as long as java is installed. So there is a risk that you need to install java during the mappathon. On Feb 4, 2015 11:48 PM, "john whelan" wrote: > I seem to recall that JOSM can be run from a USB stick. > > Cheerio John > > On 4 February 2015 at 15:24, Milo van der Linden > wrote: > >> Why go through the trouble of installing? People are doing remote tasks >> and have no gpx files, field papers or geotagged photos. Because then I >> would certainly advise josm. >> >> I think time is valuable. If you have 10 computers and spend 5 minutes >> per install, you lost an hour of a half day event.. >> On Feb 4, 2015 8:37 PM, "Jan van Bekkum" wrote: >> >>> Can't you ask participants to install JOSM before they arrive? >>> >>> On Wed Feb 04 2015 at 8:21:56 PM Jorieke Vyncke < >>> jorieke.vyn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hello Willy, Just some of my thoughts: In Antwerp we used JOSM because we had loads of time. It takes maybe a little longer to install JOSM, but teaching and learning how to map is on the same level. You only have more mapping possibilities with JOSM... On the installation, when everybody is arriving at the mapathon and setting up his computer, you can let the participants already install JOSM and make them create a login before the 'real training' starts. If you are not sure about the stability of the internet connection it might also be better to use JOSM, because for ID you need all the time a stable internet connection. Further; are people bringing their own laptops or not? If you are planning to work on fixed computers it might be better to work with ID, because in a lot of universities, companies, etc. there are restrictions in installing JOSM or other software on their computers. So if you plan to work with JOSM on fixed computers it might be good check and to install JOSM already on every computer of the room. If you plan to work with ID, you shouldn't have any problems. But one of the main important things is: what is your favourite mapping editor? Because this editor you probably can explain the best. Besides you, as teacher, you also need some 'helpers' who can stand behind the mappers who are trying to follow what you are explaining. In my opinion it's the best to have at least 1 person behind 6 or 7 participants, to guide them in the mapping. So these people also need to master ID or JOSM. Please inform me about what you decided, so we can share some more advice with you And for the validation, I absolutely follow Dan. :-) Groetjes, Jorieke 2015-02-04 9:30 GMT+01:00 Dan S : > Hi, > > I'd recommend using iD for beginners - and actually, I'd recommend > using iD if this is your first time organising a mapping party, > because if you use JOSM you will be submerged in annoying problems > installing JOSM on people's computers and that's no fun! It can be > done but it helps to have more experience. > > For validating, I'd say any mapper who can use JOSM and has been > involved in a couple of HOT tasks in the past. It's definitely a good > idea of yours to validate as soon as possible, and get feedback > straight back to the people you're working with. > > Have fun! > > Best > Dan > > > 2015-02-04 7:59 GMT+00:00 Willy Bakker : > > Hi, > > > > In the Netherlands we are organizing a Missing Maps Mapping Party > the 14th > > of february. > > I'd really like your feedback on two questions we have: > > > > Firstly, which editor would you recommend for beginners? In Berlin > during > > the Open Knowledge Festival I attended a HOT workshop where the iD > editor > > was used; at the mapping party in Antwerp in december they used > JOSM. Which > > one is the best for beginners? > > > > Secondly, we think it is important that tasks that are done are > validated as > > soon as possible. Because of that we would like to 'appoint' an > experienced > > mapper at the mapping party to validate the done tasks. But what are > the > > requirements for this person? Can any experienced mapper validate > tasks? > > > > Regards, > > > > Willy Bakker > > > > ___ > > HOT mailing list > > HOT@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > ___ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >>> ___ >>>
Re: [HOT] Questions regarding Missing Maps Mapping Party in the Netherlands
JOSM is the editor used by the majority of contributors and skilled skilled contributors are more familiar with it. They probably dont know ID very well and this will reduce their capacity to support the new contributors. The objective is not to produce a maximum of edits but to start on good bases, to make people confident they understand the principles and will be able to contribute later while back at home. We observe a lot of errors made by the beginners. It would be important also during the day to look back to the edits and suggest corrections, assure that everybody understand the basic principles of the mapping, how to make precise and accurate mapping with the relevant tags. For the software installation, what could simply be done in preparation of Mapathons is to send short instructions for JOSM installation - assure that you have java 7 installed- download JOSM > The url https://josm.openstreetmap.de/download/josm.jnlp is recommended for all OS. At the beginning of the session there might be a few contributors that will need support. This should normally be fixed rapidly. Using a projector, it is then possbile to show how to install plugins such as Buildings and UtilsPlugin2 while the skilled contributors support others. Pierre De : Milo van der Linden À : Jan van Bekkum Cc : hot Envoyé le : Mercredi 4 février 2015 15h24 Objet : Re: [HOT] Questions regarding Missing Maps Mapping Party in the Netherlands Why go through the trouble of installing? People are doing remote tasks and have no gpx files, field papers or geotagged photos. Because then I would certainly advise josm.I think time is valuable. If you have 10 computers and spend 5 minutes per install, you lost an hour of a half day event.. On Feb 4, 2015 8:37 PM, "Jan van Bekkum" wrote: Can't you ask participants to install JOSM before they arrive? On Wed Feb 04 2015 at 8:21:56 PM Jorieke Vyncke wrote: Hello Willy, Just some of my thoughts: In Antwerp we used JOSM because we had loads of time. It takes maybe a little longer to install JOSM, but teaching and learning how to map is on the same level. You only have more mapping possibilities with JOSM... On the installation, when everybody is arriving at the mapathon and setting up his computer, you can let the participants already install JOSM and make them create a login before the 'real training' starts. If you are not sure about the stability of the internet connection it might also be better to use JOSM, because for ID you need all the time a stable internet connection. Further; are people bringing their own laptops or not? If you are planning to work on fixed computers it might be better to work with ID, because in a lot of universities, companies, etc. there are restrictions in installing JOSM or other software on their computers. So if you plan to work with JOSM on fixed computers it might be good check and to install JOSM already on every computer of the room. If you plan to work with ID, you shouldn't have any problems. But one of the main important things is: what is your favourite mapping editor? Because this editor you probably can explain the best. Besides you, as teacher, you also need some 'helpers' who can stand behind the mappers who are trying to follow what you are explaining. In my opinion it's the best to have at least 1 person behind 6 or 7 participants, to guide them in the mapping. So these people also need to master ID or JOSM. Please inform me about what you decided, so we can share some more advice with you And for the validation, I absolutely follow Dan. :-) Groetjes, Jorieke 2015-02-04 9:30 GMT+01:00 Dan S : Hi, I'd recommend using iD for beginners - and actually, I'd recommend using iD if this is your first time organising a mapping party, because if you use JOSM you will be submerged in annoying problems installing JOSM on people's computers and that's no fun! It can be done but it helps to have more experience. For validating, I'd say any mapper who can use JOSM and has been involved in a couple of HOT tasks in the past. It's definitely a good idea of yours to validate as soon as possible, and get feedback straight back to the people you're working with. Have fun! Best Dan 2015-02-04 7:59 GMT+00:00 Willy Bakker : > Hi, > > In the Netherlands we are organizing a Missing Maps Mapping Party the 14th > of february. > I'd really like your feedback on two questions we have: > > Firstly, which editor would you recommend for beginners? In Berlin during > the Open Knowledge Festival I attended a HOT workshop where the iD editor > was used; at the mapping party in Antwerp in december they used JOSM. Which > one is the best for beginners? > > Secondly, we think it is important that tasks that are done are validated as > soon as possible. Because of that we would like
Re: [HOT] Questions regarding Missing Maps Mapping Party in the Netherlands
I seem to recall that JOSM can be run from a USB stick. Cheerio John On 4 February 2015 at 15:24, Milo van der Linden wrote: > Why go through the trouble of installing? People are doing remote tasks > and have no gpx files, field papers or geotagged photos. Because then I > would certainly advise josm. > > I think time is valuable. If you have 10 computers and spend 5 minutes per > install, you lost an hour of a half day event.. > On Feb 4, 2015 8:37 PM, "Jan van Bekkum" wrote: > >> Can't you ask participants to install JOSM before they arrive? >> >> On Wed Feb 04 2015 at 8:21:56 PM Jorieke Vyncke >> wrote: >> >>> Hello Willy, >>> >>> Just some of my thoughts: >>> >>> In Antwerp we used JOSM because we had loads of time. It takes maybe a >>> little longer to install JOSM, but teaching and learning how to map is on >>> the same level. You only have more mapping possibilities with JOSM... On >>> the installation, when everybody is arriving at the mapathon and setting up >>> his computer, you can let the participants already install JOSM and make >>> them create a login before the 'real training' starts. >>> >>> If you are not sure about the stability of the internet connection it >>> might also be better to use JOSM, because for ID you need all the time a >>> stable internet connection. >>> >>> Further; are people bringing their own laptops or not? If you are >>> planning to work on fixed computers it might be better to work with ID, >>> because in a lot of universities, companies, etc. there are restrictions in >>> installing JOSM or other software on their computers. So if you plan to >>> work with JOSM on fixed computers it might be good check and to install >>> JOSM already on every computer of the room. If you plan to work with ID, >>> you shouldn't have any problems. >>> >>> But one of the main important things is: what is your favourite mapping >>> editor? Because this editor you probably can explain the best. Besides you, >>> as teacher, you also need some 'helpers' who can stand behind the mappers >>> who are trying to follow what you are explaining. In my opinion it's the >>> best to have at least 1 person behind 6 or 7 participants, to guide them in >>> the mapping. So these people also need to master ID or JOSM. >>> >>> Please inform me about what you decided, so we can share some more >>> advice with you >>> >>> And for the validation, I absolutely follow Dan. :-) >>> >>> Groetjes, Jorieke >>> >>> 2015-02-04 9:30 GMT+01:00 Dan S : >>> Hi, I'd recommend using iD for beginners - and actually, I'd recommend using iD if this is your first time organising a mapping party, because if you use JOSM you will be submerged in annoying problems installing JOSM on people's computers and that's no fun! It can be done but it helps to have more experience. For validating, I'd say any mapper who can use JOSM and has been involved in a couple of HOT tasks in the past. It's definitely a good idea of yours to validate as soon as possible, and get feedback straight back to the people you're working with. Have fun! Best Dan 2015-02-04 7:59 GMT+00:00 Willy Bakker : > Hi, > > In the Netherlands we are organizing a Missing Maps Mapping Party the 14th > of february. > I'd really like your feedback on two questions we have: > > Firstly, which editor would you recommend for beginners? In Berlin during > the Open Knowledge Festival I attended a HOT workshop where the iD editor > was used; at the mapping party in Antwerp in december they used JOSM. Which > one is the best for beginners? > > Secondly, we think it is important that tasks that are done are validated as > soon as possible. Because of that we would like to 'appoint' an experienced > mapper at the mapping party to validate the done tasks. But what are the > requirements for this person? Can any experienced mapper validate tasks? > > Regards, > > Willy Bakker > > ___ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >>> ___ >>> HOT mailing list >>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >> >> ___ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> > ___ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://li
Re: [HOT] Questions regarding Missing Maps Mapping Party in the Netherlands
Why go through the trouble of installing? People are doing remote tasks and have no gpx files, field papers or geotagged photos. Because then I would certainly advise josm. I think time is valuable. If you have 10 computers and spend 5 minutes per install, you lost an hour of a half day event.. On Feb 4, 2015 8:37 PM, "Jan van Bekkum" wrote: > Can't you ask participants to install JOSM before they arrive? > > On Wed Feb 04 2015 at 8:21:56 PM Jorieke Vyncke > wrote: > >> Hello Willy, >> >> Just some of my thoughts: >> >> In Antwerp we used JOSM because we had loads of time. It takes maybe a >> little longer to install JOSM, but teaching and learning how to map is on >> the same level. You only have more mapping possibilities with JOSM... On >> the installation, when everybody is arriving at the mapathon and setting up >> his computer, you can let the participants already install JOSM and make >> them create a login before the 'real training' starts. >> >> If you are not sure about the stability of the internet connection it >> might also be better to use JOSM, because for ID you need all the time a >> stable internet connection. >> >> Further; are people bringing their own laptops or not? If you are >> planning to work on fixed computers it might be better to work with ID, >> because in a lot of universities, companies, etc. there are restrictions in >> installing JOSM or other software on their computers. So if you plan to >> work with JOSM on fixed computers it might be good check and to install >> JOSM already on every computer of the room. If you plan to work with ID, >> you shouldn't have any problems. >> >> But one of the main important things is: what is your favourite mapping >> editor? Because this editor you probably can explain the best. Besides you, >> as teacher, you also need some 'helpers' who can stand behind the mappers >> who are trying to follow what you are explaining. In my opinion it's the >> best to have at least 1 person behind 6 or 7 participants, to guide them in >> the mapping. So these people also need to master ID or JOSM. >> >> Please inform me about what you decided, so we can share some more advice >> with you >> >> And for the validation, I absolutely follow Dan. :-) >> >> Groetjes, Jorieke >> >> 2015-02-04 9:30 GMT+01:00 Dan S : >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'd recommend using iD for beginners - and actually, I'd recommend >>> using iD if this is your first time organising a mapping party, >>> because if you use JOSM you will be submerged in annoying problems >>> installing JOSM on people's computers and that's no fun! It can be >>> done but it helps to have more experience. >>> >>> For validating, I'd say any mapper who can use JOSM and has been >>> involved in a couple of HOT tasks in the past. It's definitely a good >>> idea of yours to validate as soon as possible, and get feedback >>> straight back to the people you're working with. >>> >>> Have fun! >>> >>> Best >>> Dan >>> >>> >>> 2015-02-04 7:59 GMT+00:00 Willy Bakker : >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > In the Netherlands we are organizing a Missing Maps Mapping Party the >>> 14th >>> > of february. >>> > I'd really like your feedback on two questions we have: >>> > >>> > Firstly, which editor would you recommend for beginners? In Berlin >>> during >>> > the Open Knowledge Festival I attended a HOT workshop where the iD >>> editor >>> > was used; at the mapping party in Antwerp in december they used JOSM. >>> Which >>> > one is the best for beginners? >>> > >>> > Secondly, we think it is important that tasks that are done are >>> validated as >>> > soon as possible. Because of that we would like to 'appoint' an >>> experienced >>> > mapper at the mapping party to validate the done tasks. But what are >>> the >>> > requirements for this person? Can any experienced mapper validate >>> tasks? >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > Willy Bakker >>> > >>> > ___ >>> > HOT mailing list >>> > HOT@openstreetmap.org >>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> > >>> >>> ___ >>> HOT mailing list >>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >> >> ___ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > > ___ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Questions regarding Missing Maps Mapping Party in the Netherlands
Can't you ask participants to install JOSM before they arrive? On Wed Feb 04 2015 at 8:21:56 PM Jorieke Vyncke wrote: > Hello Willy, > > Just some of my thoughts: > > In Antwerp we used JOSM because we had loads of time. It takes maybe a > little longer to install JOSM, but teaching and learning how to map is on > the same level. You only have more mapping possibilities with JOSM... On > the installation, when everybody is arriving at the mapathon and setting up > his computer, you can let the participants already install JOSM and make > them create a login before the 'real training' starts. > > If you are not sure about the stability of the internet connection it > might also be better to use JOSM, because for ID you need all the time a > stable internet connection. > > Further; are people bringing their own laptops or not? If you are planning > to work on fixed computers it might be better to work with ID, because in a > lot of universities, companies, etc. there are restrictions in installing > JOSM or other software on their computers. So if you plan to work with JOSM > on fixed computers it might be good check and to install JOSM already on > every computer of the room. If you plan to work with ID, you shouldn't have > any problems. > > But one of the main important things is: what is your favourite mapping > editor? Because this editor you probably can explain the best. Besides you, > as teacher, you also need some 'helpers' who can stand behind the mappers > who are trying to follow what you are explaining. In my opinion it's the > best to have at least 1 person behind 6 or 7 participants, to guide them in > the mapping. So these people also need to master ID or JOSM. > > Please inform me about what you decided, so we can share some more advice > with you > > And for the validation, I absolutely follow Dan. :-) > > Groetjes, Jorieke > > 2015-02-04 9:30 GMT+01:00 Dan S : > >> Hi, >> >> I'd recommend using iD for beginners - and actually, I'd recommend >> using iD if this is your first time organising a mapping party, >> because if you use JOSM you will be submerged in annoying problems >> installing JOSM on people's computers and that's no fun! It can be >> done but it helps to have more experience. >> >> For validating, I'd say any mapper who can use JOSM and has been >> involved in a couple of HOT tasks in the past. It's definitely a good >> idea of yours to validate as soon as possible, and get feedback >> straight back to the people you're working with. >> >> Have fun! >> >> Best >> Dan >> >> >> 2015-02-04 7:59 GMT+00:00 Willy Bakker : >> > Hi, >> > >> > In the Netherlands we are organizing a Missing Maps Mapping Party the >> 14th >> > of february. >> > I'd really like your feedback on two questions we have: >> > >> > Firstly, which editor would you recommend for beginners? In Berlin >> during >> > the Open Knowledge Festival I attended a HOT workshop where the iD >> editor >> > was used; at the mapping party in Antwerp in december they used JOSM. >> Which >> > one is the best for beginners? >> > >> > Secondly, we think it is important that tasks that are done are >> validated as >> > soon as possible. Because of that we would like to 'appoint' an >> experienced >> > mapper at the mapping party to validate the done tasks. But what are the >> > requirements for this person? Can any experienced mapper validate tasks? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Willy Bakker >> > >> > ___ >> > HOT mailing list >> > HOT@openstreetmap.org >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > >> >> ___ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > > ___ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Questions regarding Missing Maps Mapping Party in the Netherlands
Hello Willy, Just some of my thoughts: In Antwerp we used JOSM because we had loads of time. It takes maybe a little longer to install JOSM, but teaching and learning how to map is on the same level. You only have more mapping possibilities with JOSM... On the installation, when everybody is arriving at the mapathon and setting up his computer, you can let the participants already install JOSM and make them create a login before the 'real training' starts. If you are not sure about the stability of the internet connection it might also be better to use JOSM, because for ID you need all the time a stable internet connection. Further; are people bringing their own laptops or not? If you are planning to work on fixed computers it might be better to work with ID, because in a lot of universities, companies, etc. there are restrictions in installing JOSM or other software on their computers. So if you plan to work with JOSM on fixed computers it might be good check and to install JOSM already on every computer of the room. If you plan to work with ID, you shouldn't have any problems. But one of the main important things is: what is your favourite mapping editor? Because this editor you probably can explain the best. Besides you, as teacher, you also need some 'helpers' who can stand behind the mappers who are trying to follow what you are explaining. In my opinion it's the best to have at least 1 person behind 6 or 7 participants, to guide them in the mapping. So these people also need to master ID or JOSM. Please inform me about what you decided, so we can share some more advice with you And for the validation, I absolutely follow Dan. :-) Groetjes, Jorieke 2015-02-04 9:30 GMT+01:00 Dan S : > Hi, > > I'd recommend using iD for beginners - and actually, I'd recommend > using iD if this is your first time organising a mapping party, > because if you use JOSM you will be submerged in annoying problems > installing JOSM on people's computers and that's no fun! It can be > done but it helps to have more experience. > > For validating, I'd say any mapper who can use JOSM and has been > involved in a couple of HOT tasks in the past. It's definitely a good > idea of yours to validate as soon as possible, and get feedback > straight back to the people you're working with. > > Have fun! > > Best > Dan > > > 2015-02-04 7:59 GMT+00:00 Willy Bakker : > > Hi, > > > > In the Netherlands we are organizing a Missing Maps Mapping Party the > 14th > > of february. > > I'd really like your feedback on two questions we have: > > > > Firstly, which editor would you recommend for beginners? In Berlin during > > the Open Knowledge Festival I attended a HOT workshop where the iD editor > > was used; at the mapping party in Antwerp in december they used JOSM. > Which > > one is the best for beginners? > > > > Secondly, we think it is important that tasks that are done are > validated as > > soon as possible. Because of that we would like to 'appoint' an > experienced > > mapper at the mapping party to validate the done tasks. But what are the > > requirements for this person? Can any experienced mapper validate tasks? > > > > Regards, > > > > Willy Bakker > > > > ___ > > HOT mailing list > > HOT@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > ___ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Questions regarding Missing Maps Mapping Party in the Netherlands
Hi, I'd recommend using iD for beginners - and actually, I'd recommend using iD if this is your first time organising a mapping party, because if you use JOSM you will be submerged in annoying problems installing JOSM on people's computers and that's no fun! It can be done but it helps to have more experience. For validating, I'd say any mapper who can use JOSM and has been involved in a couple of HOT tasks in the past. It's definitely a good idea of yours to validate as soon as possible, and get feedback straight back to the people you're working with. Have fun! Best Dan 2015-02-04 7:59 GMT+00:00 Willy Bakker : > Hi, > > In the Netherlands we are organizing a Missing Maps Mapping Party the 14th > of february. > I'd really like your feedback on two questions we have: > > Firstly, which editor would you recommend for beginners? In Berlin during > the Open Knowledge Festival I attended a HOT workshop where the iD editor > was used; at the mapping party in Antwerp in december they used JOSM. Which > one is the best for beginners? > > Secondly, we think it is important that tasks that are done are validated as > soon as possible. Because of that we would like to 'appoint' an experienced > mapper at the mapping party to validate the done tasks. But what are the > requirements for this person? Can any experienced mapper validate tasks? > > Regards, > > Willy Bakker > > ___ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
Re: [HOT] Questions regarding Missing Maps Mapping Party in the Netherlands
The first question depends; do you want to do installation on all computers present? Or would you prefer to have people use there computer with minimal installation? In the last case, I would go for ID as it will limit the time needed to perform installations and will have you up and running faster. JOSM has it's strength in integration with GPX and geotagged photo's. But you do not need that on HOT tasks. Second question: Anyone can validate. It just takes a little common sense and is more of a peer review. 2015-02-04 8:59 GMT+01:00 Willy Bakker : > Hi, > > In the Netherlands we are organizing a Missing Maps Mapping Party the 14th > of february. > I'd really like your feedback on two questions we have: > > Firstly, which editor would you recommend for beginners? In Berlin during > the Open Knowledge Festival I attended a HOT workshop where the iD editor > was used; at the mapping party in Antwerp in december they used JOSM. Which > one is the best for beginners? > > Secondly, we think it is important that tasks that are done are validated as > soon as possible. Because of that we would like to 'appoint' an experienced > mapper at the mapping party to validate the done tasks. But what are the > requirements for this person? Can any experienced mapper validate tasks? > > Regards, > > Willy Bakker > > ___ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > -- Milo van der Linden dogodigi t: +31-6-16598808 ___ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
