[hugin-ptx] Re: GUI overhaul

[Naked Robot]

hi,

1) agree with jim. replace "beginner" with "simple". and probably 
"advanced" for the second mode, and don't have 3 modes.

2) the one most annoying thing about Hugin is still there: when I 
automatically align the images, it also does photometric correction, and 
then I don't know how to turn it off. With this new design i *really* don't 
know how to turn it off - beginner or advanced, whatever.



On Saturday, May 5, 2012 8:22:04 PM UTC+2, T. Modes wrote:
>
> Hi group, 
>
> I overhauled the GUI of Hugin. I've taken some ideas from some 
> discussions on the list and also some own ideas. The main goal was to 
> reduce the complexity for beginners, but keep the full flexibility for 
> advanced users. For beginners only a reduce set of features is shown. 
> But the advanced user can activate it when needed. 
> Also the lens tab was removed. The functions moved to the images tab. 
> The images tab is now the main tab. The optimizer master switches has 
> also been moved to the images tab. When optimizer master switches are 
> selected, the optimizer and photometric optimizer tab are hidden. This 
> result in a cleaner interface (when using the master switches the 
> listboxes below had no function, there occupied only a lot of space). 
> And most of the work can done on the images tab. (Input + Optimisation 
> on images tab; output on stitcher tab). 
>
> When needing the advanced optimizer then set the optimizer to custom, 
> then the optimizer tab is shown. Also the optimizer tabs have been 
> extended. Beside customizing the optimize vector you can also change 
> image variables directly on these tabs (no need to switch to images/ 
> lenses tab any more ;-) ). 
>
> I committed the code to an own branch gui_overhaul (not yet to the 
> default branch). I did some testing and hope that it works. But there 
> can be some bugs left. Please test and give feedback. Maybe we can 
> improve it further. 
> If there are no objection, then it could go into default branch. 
>
> Thomas 
>

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: GUI overhaul

[Yuv]

On Tuesday, May 15, 2012 6:58:02 AM UTC-4, Jim Watters wrote:
>
>  On 2012-05-14 7:45 PM, Margaret Wong wrote: 
>
>  Personally I think of the Assistant as 'beginner', and anything to do 
>> with bracketing or XYZ mosaics as 'expert', i.e. things that should be well 
>> hidden unless you go looking for them.  Everything else in the GUI is 
>> relevant to tweaking stuff that happens behind the scenes of the Assistant. 
>>
>>   
> As a relative beginner I do bracketing and mosaics and did those nearly 
> from day one.  It took me ages to realise that an XYZ mosaic wasn't a pano 
> in  strict terms.
>  
>
> As an Expert in shooting and stitching panoramas I would prefer to see a 
> simple GUI unless I want to use some of advanced technique.
>
> This was why I suggested the name Simple instead of Beginner. The idea is 
> to show as few controls that are necessary to do the most common simple 
> stitching.
>
> If a user wants to use an advanced shooting technique, like not keep the 
> camera rotated around the NPP then they will need the Advanced mode to 
> stitch those images together.
>

I agree with both Margaret and Jim.  The current terminology reflects an 
inward view that has nothing to do with the level of proficiency of the 
user -- neither in terms of computing nor in terms of photography.  It 
draws an arbitrary line in the sand.  Why should XYZ be considered more 
advanced than bracketing?  only because it requires more parameters?  was 
added later?  Added technological complexity?

The current UI simplification is great from an expert perspective and I 
fully agree with Jim's view and support his terminology.  The 
beginner/advanced/expert terminology is misleading.  A real beginner is 
somebody who does not know the strict terms (to paraphrase Margaret) yet.  
For a beginner it does not matter whether the stitch was achieved with 
ypr/XYZ/morph-to-fit (BTW, good stuff, Bruno!) and whether visual 
uniformity was achieved with bracketing/exposure correction/blending.  
Without detracting from the current UI, which I find is a significant 
improvement, the terminology is not very helpful for beginners.

What would help beginners are assistants; e.g. code that detects bracketed 
shooting and asks the user if they want to switch those features of the UI 
on (and even offers some guidance, maybe even automation); or code that 
detects bad geometrical alignment which could be improved with XYZ and asks 
the user if they want to activate that feature of the UI.  The manual 
switch implemented now is good for experts.

I repeat: the new GUI is good progress, but don't raise expectations it 
can't meet by giving the impression that the simple UI is for beginners.  
Even if the new GUI is an improvement for (almost) everybody, it adds more 
to experts than to beginners.

Yuv

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: GUI overhaul

[Bruno Postle]

On Wed 16-May-2012 at 11:05 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote:


Sorry, I was not clear, I did not mean tabs down the side (I think 
you meant something like vertical :-/ ) I meant tabs within tabs. 
In the images tab, on the left a single column list of image 
names, and in the right part of the images tab add a sub-tab which 
would allow to choose the set of colums.


This is more-or-less how the current version of the gui_overhaul 
looks, though rather than a secondary set of tabs there are 'radio 
button widgets' for the various 'views' of columns.


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[hugin-ptx] Re: Panorama Viewer For Android

[Bart van Andel]

Hi Jorge,

I'm not sure why you haven't thought of this, but Flickr really is a good 
source if you need images to experiment with, for instance by searching for 
"equirectangular" (these are spherical images) [0].
Equirectangular images can be converted to cubic faces using e.g. Panotools 
Script [1]. For instructions see [2] (which mentions an older version but 
it still works the same).

Good luck and be sure to post back whenever you have a viewable result.

[0] http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=equirectangular
[1] http://search.cpan.org/~bpostle/Panotools-Script-0.26/
[2] 
http://vinayhacks.blogspot.com/2010/11/converting-equirectangular-panorama-to.html

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On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:05:25 AM UTC+2, Jorge Luis Iten Júnior wrote:
>
> Hi all, 
>
> Like I told you before, I am working at a panorama viewer for Android. 
> What I need now, is just a repository or web site where I can found 
> the images to project. I need cubic and spherycal images. 
>
> On 22 mar, 12:47, luca vascon  wrote: 
> > Good! 
> > Open Source too? 
> > 
> > Il giorno 21 marzo 2012 22:44, Jorge Luis Iten Júnior 
> > ha scritto: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > It's gonna be free, it is my final paper in the university. 
> > 
> > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:18 PM, kfj <_...@yahoo.com> wrote: 
> > 
> > >> On 20 Mrz., 14:54, Jorge Luis Iten Júnior  
> wrote: 
> > >> > The intetion is to devolop a viewer with Android SDK 2.3.3 and 
> OpenGL ES 
> > >> > 1.0. 
> > 
> > >> So, is it going to be free software or commercial? 
> > 
> > >> Kay 
> [snip]
> > 
> > -- 
> > Luca Vascon. 
> > 
> > www.nuovostudio.itwww.officinepanottiche.com

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: GUI overhaul

[Frederic Da Vitoria]

2012/5/16 Gnome Nomad 

> On 05/13/2012 09:04 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote:
>
>> 2012/5/14 Gnome Nomad mailto:gnomeno...@gmail.com
>> >>
>>
>>On 05/10/2012 02:01 AM, kfj wrote:
>>
>>On 9 Mai, 21:25, Bruno Postle>>  wrote:
>>
>>In the existing GUI there is the Images tab and there is the
>>Camera
>>and Lens tab, which is actually another two tabs.  They each
>>show a
>>different set of image parameters, but some image parameters
>>are not
>>shown at all, the 'filename' appears in both tabs, but not
>>in the
>>Crop or Mask tab - This is all pretty random and shows the
>>incremental way it was built.
>>
>>
>>I often wondered if all of this couldn't be placed in one
>>window. How?
>>By displaying it in a fashion which is often used for tabular data
>>displays: You start out with a standard set of columns, and by
>>right-
>>clicking on the row with the column headers you get a context
>> window
>>allowing you to add/remove columns. Augment that with
>>left-clicking on
>>column headers to sort by this column, and you have a standard
>>interface many computer-literate people would feel instantly at
>> home
>>with. This would leave it to the user to choose what they want
>>to see/
>>can accomodate on their screen. I wouldn't even be surprised if the
>>appropriate widget type existed already in wxwidgets.
>>
>>
>>I think user would get overwhelmed with columns and sideways
>>scrolling ... prefer having separate tabs with focused functionality.
>>
>>
>> What about something in between: a column for image names, and at it's
>> right the tabs. Maybe the user could even create his own user tab where
>> he would put whatever column combination suits his needs. I don't know
>> if such a design is easily implementable with the design tools used for
>> Hugin, though.
>>
>
> Well, if it makes sense to have image names on a tab, putting them in a
> column would be fine. I like the tabs across the top, personally, not down
> the side. Of course, that could a user configurable option.
>

First, what I am thinking may be completely wrong, I am on Windows, so I
did not see the new GUI.

Sorry, I was not clear, I did not mean tabs down the side (I think you
meant something like vertical :-/ ) I meant tabs within tabs. In the images
tab, on the left a single column list of image names, and in the right part
of the images tab add a sub-tab which would allow to choose the set of
colums. Either Camera and Lens sub-tabs or Camera, Lens and User (the user
could decide his columns in this last tab) When the user selects one (or
several) image name(s), the row(s) would be select in all the sub-tabs.
This way, the user could select on scroll to any image and easily switch
the different column sets.

I hope I am making myself clearer. If I don't, I'll try to draw a mock-up.

OTOH, a tab within a tab may be not quite user-friendly. For example, which
tab set should the Ctrl+Tab shortcut control?

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: GUI overhaul

[Gnome Nomad]

On 05/13/2012 09:04 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote:

2012/5/14 Gnome Nomad mailto:gnomeno...@gmail.com>>

On 05/10/2012 02:01 AM, kfj wrote:

On 9 Mai, 21:25, Bruno Postlemailto:br...@postle.net>>  wrote:


In the existing GUI there is the Images tab and there is the
Camera
and Lens tab, which is actually another two tabs.  They each
show a
different set of image parameters, but some image parameters
are not
shown at all, the 'filename' appears in both tabs, but not
in the
Crop or Mask tab - This is all pretty random and shows the
incremental way it was built.


I often wondered if all of this couldn't be placed in one
window. How?
By displaying it in a fashion which is often used for tabular data
displays: You start out with a standard set of columns, and by
right-
clicking on the row with the column headers you get a context window
allowing you to add/remove columns. Augment that with
left-clicking on
column headers to sort by this column, and you have a standard
interface many computer-literate people would feel instantly at home
with. This would leave it to the user to choose what they want
to see/
can accomodate on their screen. I wouldn't even be surprised if the
appropriate widget type existed already in wxwidgets.


I think user would get overwhelmed with columns and sideways
scrolling ... prefer having separate tabs with focused functionality.


What about something in between: a column for image names, and at it's
right the tabs. Maybe the user could even create his own user tab where
he would put whatever column combination suits his needs. I don't know
if such a design is easily implementable with the design tools used for
Hugin, though.


Well, if it makes sense to have image names on a tab, putting them in a 
column would be fine. I like the tabs across the top, personally, not 
down the side. Of course, that could a user configurable option.


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