Re: [hugin-ptx] 2011.0 Release Plan

2011-03-01 Thread Bruno Postle

On Mon 28-Feb-2011 at 19:36 -0500, Yuval Levy wrote:


I was going to say that we shouldn't be supporting anything older
than the current stable release, but if we continue releasing at
twice the rate of Ubuntu (and Fedora etc...) then there will always
be people using the two most recent releases.



There is plenty of evidence around that deviating from release early release
frequently is nearly lethal, including the recent experience of Gimp, our own
experience prior to 2009; the FreeBSD experience with 5.0 in 2000-2003.


Yes the fast release schedule has been a good thing, I just couldn't 
do the work to make it happen.  Releasing often gives contributors 
the chance to see their stuff get general distribution, but also 
works against half-finished stuff from being pushed into the trunk 
before it is ready.


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Re: [hugin-ptx] 2011.0 Release Plan

2011-02-28 Thread Yuval Levy
On February 28, 2011 04:54:37 pm Bruno Postle wrote:
 On Sun 27-Feb-2011 at 18:05 -0500, Yuval Levy wrote:
 Specific to the situation now:
 - default and 2011.0 are in active development
 - 2010.4 and 2010.2 are supported (i.e. we would issue a patched version
 if the need arises)
 - anything older than that is unsupported.
 
 Any opinions about this support policy?
 
 I was going to say that we shouldn't be supporting anything older
 than the current stable release, but if we continue releasing at
 twice the rate of Ubuntu (and Fedora etc...) then there will always
 be people using the two most recent releases.

I wish we can do twice the rate of Ubuntu, Fedora, etc.  Right now we are at 
1.5x, and we have more or less caught up to the features queue.

There is plenty of evidence around that deviating from release early release 
frequently is nearly lethal, including the recent experience of Gimp, our own 
experience prior to 2009; the FreeBSD experience with 5.0 in 2000-2003.

Yuv


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Re: [hugin-ptx] 2011.0 Release Plan

2011-02-27 Thread Yuval Levy
On February 26, 2011 06:05:08 pm Bruno Postle wrote:
 If necessary libpano13-2.9.18_beta1 could be relabeled as 'final' if
 we need it for a Hugin release (since it seems to be ok).

Thanks, that would be very much appreciated.


 As far as Hugin is concerned, the current cpfind is so much better
 than anything we had before that I'd almost recommend people use a
 snapshot rather than 2010.4.0.

Yes, the beta tarball is out, and Thomas and Darko are hard at work fixing the 
rough edges of the new overview.  Nothing prevents us from getting ahead of 
schedule if there is the motivation to do it.

I updated the documentation of the release process [0] and I cleaned up the 
tags in Mercurial (all tags from 2009.2 onward are now consistently named).

We close development branches and I was wondering if we should also close 
unsupported release branches?

In my documentation I suggest that:
- only the latest release and the active development branches are in active 
development
- only the previous two releases are supported
- older releases are obsolete

Specific to the situation now:
- default and 2011.0 are in active development
- 2010.4 and 2010.2 are supported (i.e. we would issue a patched version if 
the need arises)
- anything older than that is unsupported.

Any opinions about this support policy?

Yuv

[0] http://wiki.panotools.org/Development_of_Open_Source_tools#Release


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[hugin-ptx] 2011.0 Release Plan

2011-02-26 Thread Yuval Levy
Hi all,

I have just entered the 2011.0 Release Plan into Launchpad [0] and documented 
release planning [1].

The intention is to make the plan as predictable as possible so that 
contributors can plan for their own contributions (e.g. translations and bug 
fixes) and distributors can plan for the binary builds.

Like with the last release cycle, it would be great if binary releases follow 
on the heels of the tarball releases.

Feedback to the plan is welcome.  I have set the final release well out in the 
future.  It will depend amongst others also on the final release of Libpano 
2.9.18 and other factors that are not fully predictable at the moment.  As 
usual, the release will happen when it is ready and the provided time 
estimates are just an indication and are not guaranteed.

Let's get it rolling!
Yuv

[0] https://launchpad.net/hugin/2011.0
[1] http://wiki.panotools.org/Development_of_Open_Source_tools#Release_Plan


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Re: [hugin-ptx] 2011.0 Release Plan

2011-02-26 Thread Bruno Postle

On Sat 26-Feb-2011 at 17:11 -0500, Yuval Levy wrote:


Feedback to the plan is welcome.  I have set the final release well out in the
future.  It will depend amongst others also on the final release of Libpano
2.9.18 and other factors that are not fully predictable at the moment.


If necessary libpano13-2.9.18_beta1 could be relabeled as 'final' if 
we need it for a Hugin release (since it seems to be ok).  It would 
be nice to merge the new libpano13 test suite, but this needs some 
work.


As far as Hugin is concerned, the current cpfind is so much better 
than anything we had before that I'd almost recommend people use a 
snapshot rather than 2010.4.0.


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