[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
Thanks James! That makes sense. My problem could be a weighting problem. My mosaic consists of two groups that are weakly connected, but with strong internal CP connections, therefore optimization would prioritize internal placement as the majority of CPs are internal. Also, the Z dimension is almost a scaling factor, and there is nothing really controlling that the two groups end up on the same scale. Cheers O 2009/10/18 James Legg lankyle...@gmail.com On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 20:23 +0200, Oskar Sander wrote: I have now tested with a bit bigger project, and get a very strange result, I need some help to see If I am doing something wrong, or it's a bug. Iseems like there are phantom CP's in optimization that stuffs up the result. These are visible in the layout-view but not in the CP-list. (reported in bug: 2881036 with screenshots) The grey control point lines indicate there are no control points, but the images overlap. It is a warning that perhaps you could get a better optimisation by adding some control points there. (Similar to how a red line is a warning that you can get a better optimisation by fixing erroneous control points.) So there are no phantom CPs in your project, the optimisation is breaking because of something else. I would suggest you improve your control points, reset position and orientation, and try optimisation again. You might want to run the control point clean function in trunk Hugin and load it in the layout branch again for optimisation; although I don't know how well it behaves on linear panoramas. -James -- /O --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
I have now tested with a bit bigger project, and get a very strange result, I need some help to see If I am doing something wrong, or it's a bug. Iseems like there are phantom CP's in optimization that stuffs up the result. These are visible in the layout-view but not in the CP-list. (reported in bug: 2881036 with screenshots) Any suggestions? Cheers /O --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
Funny thing, it doesn't crash with scanned photos :? On Oct 12, 11:29 am, Oskar Sander oskar.san...@gmail.com wrote: That's a known bug (see previously in the thread). A workaround is to build your project in Ad's version first, then copy the new binaries. 2009/10/12 Zoran Zorkic zo...@gmx.net Crashes for me while adding photos (Nikon D90 jpegs) on Xp 32bit and Vista 64bit. I just copied your files over the last Ad build 4450. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
not worth wasting time on - this is a known bug because the layout codeline was branched out before that bug was fixed (prior to 0.8.0 release). Yuv Zoran Zorkic wrote: Funny thing, it doesn't crash with scanned photos :? On Oct 12, 11:29 am, Oskar Sander oskar.san...@gmail.com wrote: That's a known bug (see previously in the thread). A workaround is to build your project in Ad's version first, then copy the new binaries. 2009/10/12 Zoran Zorkic zo...@gmx.net Crashes for me while adding photos (Nikon D90 jpegs) on Xp 32bit and Vista 64bit. I just copied your files over the last Ad build 4450. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
Any workflow recommendations? I found that first doing XYZ works, but could not get any better results after optimizing the rest of the parameters. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
On Sep 29, 6:13 pm, Yuval Levy goo...@levy.ch wrote: I hope the (larger than expected) effort was worth it and it will result in usage/bug reports. Crashes for me while adding photos (Nikon D90 jpegs) on Xp 32bit and Vista 64bit. I just copied your files over the last Ad build 4450. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
That's a known bug (see previously in the thread). A workaround is to build your project in Ad's version first, then copy the new binaries. 2009/10/12 Zoran Zorkic zo...@gmx.net Crashes for me while adding photos (Nikon D90 jpegs) on Xp 32bit and Vista 64bit. I just copied your files over the last Ad build 4450. -- /O --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
Ok! I think one of the big challenges with this is to visualize the paramters in some some of tutorial/online manual. The camera plane is Z=0,Xc,Yc right? How do you then describe subject projection plane with the 2 parameters? Do you aaume something about the geometry with respect to PrincipalPoint or Nadir? http://www.r-s-c-c.org/rscc/v1m6images/pitch.jpg Cheers 2009/10/10 Pablo d'Angelo pablo.dang...@web.de Oskar Sander schrieb: Pablo, when you said that you are working on this, did you refer to the optimization strategy above, or the image-load-bug? That was for the optimisation strategy. I'm also playing around with extenting the XYZ with two more parameters that specify the plane that is used for each image. This would be very helpful for the nadir and wall patching applications. Its not in a state that can be commited yet, unfortunately. Maybe I have some time next weekend to polish it a bit and commit to libpano13 and the layout branch. ciao Pablo -- /O --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
Oskar Sander schrieb: Ok! I think one of the big challenges with this is to visualize the paramters in some some of tutorial/online manual. Indeed. But so far I'm not sure if I have found the right parameters... The camera plane is Z=0,Xc,Yc right? Yes. How do you then describe subject projection plane with the 2 parameters? My experimental implementation does use plane yaw and plane pitch, to specify the surface normal of the plane, and the plane is always tangent to the unit sphere around the panorama camera. This works very similar to the yaw and pitch of the input images. For example, a plane at the nadir would be specified by plane_pitch=-90. However I get strange results when placing this plane at the nadir of a spherical pano and then optimizing, this is why I haven't commited anything yet. Do you aaume something about the geometry with respect to PrincipalPoint or Nadir? http://www..r-s-c-c.org/rscc/v1m6images/pitch.jpg http://www.r-s-c-c.org/rscc/v1m6images/pitch.jpg Ehm, not sure what you want to express with that picture? ciao Pablo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
So what I was getting at is that could it be that most of the problems of the layout branch like: windows-image-read-crash, EXIF-bug, cropfactor-FOV-bug, are actually code-baseline issues for that track that would be mostly overcome after a merge into a more mature code-track. While the really new features that needs fixing and testing are maybe aligned-stack-optimization-crash and even more so testing that the new parameter model holds for all different panoramic purposes I have reported problems of the layout view itself, but this bug only limits usefulness, and is not blocking a release IMHO. (although important for my application) I was getting at what is absolutely necessary to do with layout branch to quickly get it merged. Once that has been done, it is easier to build improvements on that. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
Pablo, when you said that you are working on this, did you refer to the optimization strategy above, or the image-load-bug? What is new in the layout-model so that the EXIF/image parameter has broken? My understanding that stack I'd is the only new parameter(althogh meaning of others ha chnged) Cheers On 10/1/09, Pablo d'Angelo pablo.dang...@web.de wrote: Hi Oskar, For these two mosaics I did this by forcing only XYZ optimization first, then adding angles in the next run. That converged nicely, and exposed a few CP that were completely off. Other things i can think of are: * Observed initial values - Some UW mosaics uses ROV that captures XYZ position and ypr of the mission. These are then used as starting values in the optimization * Determine lens distortion parameters before, and use as starting value. * An iterative optimization strategy much like the one used for panoramas where XYZ is iteratively optimized around anchor, then ypr I'm currently working on that... BTW, What are the units of XYZ? The Plane is currently located at z=-1 (straight in front of the camera). If you keep one camera at TrZ=0, then TrX,TrY and TrZ need to be multiplied by the physical distance between the camera position of that image and the plane. ciao Pablo -- Sent from my mobile device /O --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
On Thu 08-Oct-2009 at 16:15 +0200, Oskar Sander wrote: What is new in the layout-model so that the EXIF/image parameter has broken? My understanding that stack I'd is the only new parameter(althogh meaning of others ha chnged) The gsoc2009_layout branch was forked from the trunk shortly before 0.8.0 was released, so it doesn't have EXIF display or any of the other stuff added later. -- Bruno --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
either I must be confusing my experience on Linux with that on Windows, or I opened a pre-existing project file. Sorry for the confusion. Yuv allard wrote: Nope. Same crash. That's how I started. On Oct 7, 2:26 pm, Yuval Levy goo...@levy.ch wrote: Oskar Sander wrote: annoying, one workaround seems to be to: add one image, save, exit, open project, add one image, exite, etc overkill. just open all of them in one go. Yuv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
annoying, one workaround seems to be to: add one image, save, exit, open project, add one image, exite, etc 2009/10/7 allard a...@allardkatan.net I experience the same problem as Oskar. Running binaries straight from the unzipped package. Load one image, all still fine. Load one more image, immediate crash. Reproducible with different sets of images. allard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
Yuval Levy wrote: Erik Krause wrote: They seem to work as expected. The droplets in default configuration use only the very basic options of enfuse and enblend, hence I didn't expect a change. I missed one thing: The new wrap parameters for enblend. While the old -w parameter still works (horizontally only) it would be of course better for sphericals to specify --wrap=BOTH However, since the parameter is specified in the set enblend_additional_parameters= line, it's not much effort for a user to change it. Perhaps I add a comment to a future version. best regards -- Erik Krause http://www.erik-krause.de --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
I experience the same problem as Oskar. Running binaries straight from the unzipped package. Load one image, all still fine. Load one more image, immediate crash. Reproducible with different sets of images. allard On Sep 30, 3:48 am, Oskar Sander oskar.san...@gmail.com wrote: When adding the second image to a new project, Hugin dies with a Tell Microsoft about the problem. Application log Faulting application hugin.exe, version 0.0.0.0, faulting module hugin.exe, version 0.0.0.0, fault address 0x004bc5ef. Are there any ways to get more useful dumps or debug traces stored anywhere? What would I need to install to debug? (The examples above are tweaked existing projects which works fine) Cheers O --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
Yuval Levy wrote: the command line interface of enblend/enfuse has changed. I have not tested against Erik's droplets. If somebody wants to take up the tasks of updating them (if necessary), everything necessary is there. They seem to work as expected. The droplets in default configuration use only the very basic options of enfuse and enblend, hence I didn't expect a change. However, align_image_stack crashes no matter whether called inside our outside the droplets. If I use align_image_stack from hugin 0.7.0 instead of the 0.8.0.4500 version the enfuse_align droplet works fine, too. best regards -- Erik Krause http://www.erik-krause.de --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
thanks for the report. Erik Krause wrote: They seem to work as expected. The droplets in default configuration use only the very basic options of enfuse and enblend, hence I didn't expect a change. good - one thing less to worry about. However, align_image_stack crashes no matter whether called inside our outside the droplets. If I use align_image_stack from hugin 0.7.0 instead of the 0.8.0.4500 version the enfuse_align droplet works fine, too. IIRC this is due to a bug that was fixed before the 0.8.0 release; but the gsoc2008 codelines were branched out before. I apologie for the ambiguous 0.8.0.4500. To disambiguate we'd need to add the codeline to the version string, e.g. gsoc2009_layout.4500 but I have not yet figured out a way to do this automatically. Yuv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
Hi Oskar, For these two mosaics I did this by forcing only XYZ optimization first, then adding angles in the next run. That converged nicely, and exposed a few CP that were completely off. Other things i can think of are: * Observed initial values - Some UW mosaics uses ROV that captures XYZ position and ypr of the mission. These are then used as starting values in the optimization * Determine lens distortion parameters before, and use as starting value. * An iterative optimization strategy much like the one used for panoramas where XYZ is iteratively optimized around anchor, then ypr I'm currently working on that... BTW, What are the units of XYZ? The Plane is currently located at z=-1 (straight in front of the camera). If you keep one camera at TrZ=0, then TrX,TrY and TrZ need to be multiplied by the physical distance between the camera position of that image and the plane. ciao Pablo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
When adding the second image to a new project, Hugin dies with a Tell Microsoft about the problem. Application log Faulting application hugin.exe, version 0.0.0.0, faulting module hugin.exe, version 0.0.0.0, fault address 0x004bc5ef. Are there any ways to get more useful dumps or debug traces stored anywhere? What would I need to install to debug? (The examples above are tweaked existing projects which works fine) Cheers O --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
Yuval Levy wrote: I have uploaded an archive with binaries of the latest version of the GSoC2009_layout codeline for Windows. http://www.photopla.net/hugin/FILES_layout.7z have fun Yuv Thank you. This will make it much easier to test. -- Jim Watters jwatt...@photocreations.ca http://photocreations.ca --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009_layout with XYZ for Windows - please test
2009/9/29 Yuval Levy goo...@levy.ch I hope the (larger than expected) effort was worth it and it will result in usage/bug reports. I'm sure it will have fun I'm sure I will Some preliminary notes. * It works fine so far to just drop-into the directories of Ad's latest install. * I can get my flat test mosaic (12pics) of a flat floor to converge perfectly, after just 5 minutes of fiddling. - First optimize X,Y,Z only one anchor image - Then add pitch only but for all images (in this project all images had a pitch bias to exclude my feet :- ) As expected, optimization doesn't converge if all those parameters are optimized at once. I tried one lense and individual lenses for al images. This just because i wanted to try optimization of FOV as well, but that explodes (This is strongly related to Z i suppose so this may also be as expected). Great work everyone! (more experiments to follow) /O --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- attachment: Layout_mode_mini (Small).jpg
