Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Is the panosphere preview looking at the outside of the sphere?
The sphere interface seems perfectly normal to me. I think it would also be natural to those not thinking so if they would just spin the sphere around so that the view point is from inside the sphere. This is easily demonstrated with 180 degree or less panos. Maybe what bothers some is that the inside is dimmer than the outside. The enhancement that might satisfy is to have the outside dimmed and the inside bright while at the same time having a static cutting plane that prevents the near side images from displaying in front of the inside images. The effect would be that of looking into a sphere through a removed section. As one rotates the sphere the cut away portion would not move. I can easily imagine the person who devised the sphere interface as thinking of many variations of what we see now, including what is just described, and then deciding, Heck, lets just put the images bright on the outside where they are most easily displayed and in reverse because that is the way they really are. This whole Hugin thing is such an abstraction that one little mental gymnastic is nothing compared to the utility gained by the sphere display. I use Hugin for the mundane purpose of documenting piping systems in spaces like utility rooms in buildings or documenting structural framing. There are those that have difficulty with the resulting images because, the pipes do not really curve like that, or the beams cannot be curved like that. There is a faint similarity between the objection types. Allan On May 27, 2011, at 2:53 PM, kfj wrote: On 27 Mai, 21:39, Milan Knížek knizek.co...@volny.cz wrote: Anybody filed it as a bug/feature request? (I have not found anything on launchpad.) The flipped left / right sides are really confusing. I haven't. Please go ahead and do it. I'm not convinced by Yuval's lone voice earlier in this thread telling me that looking at the outside of the panosphere was natural. Kay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Is the panosphere preview looking at the outside of the sphere?
V Fri, 27 May 2011 21:39:22 +0200 Milan Knížek knizek.co...@volny.cz napsáno: V Tue, 17 May 2011 02:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Anybody filed it as a bug/feature request? (I have not found anything on launchpad.) The flipped left / right sides are really confusing. I did so now. https://bugs.launchpad.net/hugin/+bug/789902 Nevertheless, I am not sure how to classify the report as a feature request. Now it seems to be a bug report. Regards, Milan -- http://www.milan-knizek.net/ About linux and photography (Czech only) O linuxu a fotografování About linux and photography (Czech only) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Is the panosphere preview looking at the outside of the sphere?
On 28.05.2011, at 16:32, kfj wrote: On 28 Mai, 12:31, David Haberthür david.haberth...@gmail.com wrote: Kay, you forgot me:http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx/msg/8e6765aa5c89746d:) And with Bart who replied to this email, we're already three who think it's natural. sorry. No problem :) Habi (off to shoot a spherical panorama of http://enwp.org/Maman, which recently arrived in Bern:http://flic.kr/p/9M9arp) That thing looks awesome! Are you going to shoot one from underneath it? Yes. I've been in Canada in 2008 and missed a good photo-opportunity in Ottawa, so I shot quite some photos. A very preliminary unmasked version can be found here: http://cl.ly/79zN Exactly in the middle underneath the body of the spider. H -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Is the panosphere preview looking at the outside of the sphere?
On May 29, 2011 11:45:10 am Milan Knížek wrote: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hugin/+bug/789902 Nevertheless, I am not sure how to classify the report as a feature request. Now it seems to be a bug report. yeah, everything is called a bug report on that tracker. Changed the importance to wishlist to indicate it is a feature request. thanks for filing Yuv signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Is the panosphere preview looking at the outside of the sphere?
On 27.05.2011, at 21:53, kfj wrote: On 27 Mai, 21:39, Milan Knížek knizek.co...@volny.cz wrote: Anybody filed it as a bug/feature request? (I have not found anything on launchpad.) The flipped left / right sides are really confusing. I haven't. Please go ahead and do it. I'm not convinced by Yuval's lone voice earlier in this thread telling me that looking at the outside of the panosphere was natural. Kay, you forgot me: http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx/msg/8e6765aa5c89746d :) And with Bart who replied to this email, we're already three who think it's natural. But as I said before (and you too): Make it a feature request. Habi (off to shoot a spherical panorama of http://enwp.org/Maman, which recently arrived in Bern: http://flic.kr/p/9M9arp) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: Is the panosphere preview looking at the outside of the sphere?
On 28 Mai, 12:31, David Haberthür david.haberth...@gmail.com wrote: Kay, you forgot me:http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx/msg/8e6765aa5c89746d:) And with Bart who replied to this email, we're already three who think it's natural. sorry. But as I said before (and you too): Make it a feature request. yes. let's have a 'put me inside the mirror ball' switch! Habi (off to shoot a spherical panorama of http://enwp.org/Maman, which recently arrived in Bern:http://flic.kr/p/9M9arp) That thing looks awesome! Are you going to shoot one from underneath it? Kay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Is the panosphere preview looking at the outside of the sphere?
V Tue, 17 May 2011 02:53:13 -0700 (PDT) kfj _...@yahoo.com napsáno: I think it is showing the outside of the panosphere, and I guess it is because that's the natural way to look at a sphere (e.g. Earth). I don't know if it is worth to consider this a bug, or rather a feature request for an extra the switch to turn the sphere inside-out? I feel it's totally unnatural - in 'real' life you only ever see the panosphere from the inside, as it's a hypothetical construct anyway. After all, the flat preview also shows the view from the 'inside', and with a plane either side would be just as 'natural', but noone would even consider showing it's 'ouside'. No naive user will understand, either, why their nicely centered 'correct' preview shold result in what looks like a mirror image in the panosphere view, and they have to pan their flat preview by 180 degrees to see the 'right way round' view on the panosphere. Kay Anybody filed it as a bug/feature request? (I have not found anything on launchpad.) The flipped left / right sides are really confusing. Regards, Milan -- http://www.milan-knizek.net/ About linux and photography (Czech only) O linuxu a fotografování (pouze česky) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: Is the panosphere preview looking at the outside of the sphere?
On 27 Mai, 21:39, Milan Knížek knizek.co...@volny.cz wrote: Anybody filed it as a bug/feature request? (I have not found anything on launchpad.) The flipped left / right sides are really confusing. I haven't. Please go ahead and do it. I'm not convinced by Yuval's lone voice earlier in this thread telling me that looking at the outside of the panosphere was natural. Kay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: Is the panosphere preview looking at the outside of the sphere?
On Friday, May 27, 2011 9:53:46 PM UTC+2, kfj wrote: On 27 Mai, 21:39, Milan Knížek knizek...@volny.cz wrote: Anybody filed it as a bug/feature request? (I have not found anything on launchpad.) The flipped left / right sides are really confusing. I haven't. Please go ahead and do it. I'm not convinced by Yuval's lone voice earlier in this thread telling me that looking at the outside of the panosphere was natural. Sorry for not replying earlier, but I also think that looking at the panosphere from the outside is the right thing to do. Normally the camera is inside the sphere, looking at the outside. That's the normal panorama view. The spherical view is kind of a god mode allowing a meta view on the whole world, thus, from the outside. If it's confusing, flipping the x coordinate should be quite a trivial option (that is: checkbox and/or preference) to add. I wouldn't go for forcing either the current view (which is mathematically the most sound) or the proposed reversed view where every image is flipped in the x direction so it doesn't look mirrored. -- Bart -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
[hugin-ptx] Re: Is the panosphere preview looking at the outside of the sphere?
I think it is showing the outside of the panosphere, and I guess it is because that's the natural way to look at a sphere (e.g. Earth). I don't know if it is worth to consider this a bug, or rather a feature request for an extra the switch to turn the sphere inside-out? I feel it's totally unnatural - in 'real' life you only ever see the panosphere from the inside, as it's a hypothetical construct anyway. After all, the flat preview also shows the view from the 'inside', and with a plane either side would be just as 'natural', but noone would even consider showing it's 'ouside'. No naive user will understand, either, why their nicely centered 'correct' preview shold result in what looks like a mirror image in the panosphere view, and they have to pan their flat preview by 180 degrees to see the 'right way round' view on the panosphere. Kay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Is the panosphere preview looking at the outside of the sphere?
I think it is showing the outside of the panosphere, and I guess it is because that's the natural way to look at a sphere (e.g. Earth). I don't know if it is worth to consider this a bug, or rather a feature request for an extra the switch to turn the sphere inside-out? I feel it's totally unnatural - in 'real' life you only ever see the panosphere from the inside, as it's a hypothetical construct anyway. After all, the flat preview also shows the view from the 'inside', and with a plane either side would be just as 'natural', but noone would even consider showing it's 'ouside'. No naive user will understand, either, why their nicely centered 'correct' preview shold result in what looks like a mirror image in the panosphere view, and they have to pan their flat preview by 180 degrees to see the 'right way round' view on the panosphere. I've never really thought about it, but when I do I also feel that it's the natural way of looking at the panosphere from the outside. Is the naïve user even looking at the panosphere or is she staying on the assistant tab? For me personally i'd consider this a feature request for an extra switch. Habi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Is the panosphere preview looking at the outside of the sphere?
when i turn my head around, i'm looking at a sphere from the inside, and pano photography replicates that. so i'd say it depends what kind of sphere you're looking at your whole life is spend looking at the inside of a sphere :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Hugin and other free panoramic software group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to hugin-ptx+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
