[IAEP] Fwd: [Educators] London International Conference on Education (LICE-2009): Call for Papers
-- Forwarded message -- From: g.akmay...@liceducation.org Date: Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:29 AM Subject: [Educators] London International Conference on Education (LICE-2009): Call for Papers To: educat...@lists.laptop.org Kindly email this call for papers to your colleagues, faculty members and postgraduate students. CALL FOR PAPERS London International Conference on Education (LICE-2009), November 9-12, 2009, London, UK (www.liceducation.org) The London International Conference on Education (LICE) is an international refereed conference dedicated to the advancement of the theory and practices in education. The LICE promotes collaborative excellence between academicians and professionals from Education. The aim of LICE is to provide an opportunity for academicians and professionals from various educational fields with cross-disciplinary interests to bridge the knowledge gap, promote research esteem and the evolution of pedagogy. The LICE-2009 invites research papers that encompass conceptual analysis, design implementation and performance evaluation. All the accepted papers will appear in the proceedings and modified version of selected papers will be published in special issues peer reviewed journals. The topics in LICE-2009 include but are not confined to the following areas: *Academic Advising and Counselling *Art Education *Adult Education *Business Education *Counsellor Education *Curriculum, Research and Development *Distance Education *Early Childhood Education *Educational Administration *Educational Foundations *Educational Psychology *Educational Technology *Education Policy and Leadership *Elementary Education *E-Learning *ESL/TESL *Health Education *Higher Education *History *Human Resource Development *Indigenous Education *ICT Education *Kinesiology Leisure Science *K12 *Language Education *Mathematics Education *Music Education *Pedagogy *Physical Education *Research Assessment Exercise (RAE) *Reading Education *Rural Education *Science Education *Secondary Education *Second life Educators *Social Studies Education *Special Education *Student Affairs *Teacher Education *Cross-disciplinary areas of Education *E-Society *Other Areas of Education IMPORTANT DATES: Extended Abstract Submission Date:June 30, 2009 Paper Submission Date: July 15, 2009 Proposal for Workshops: May 15, 2009 Notification of Workshop Acceptance: May 31, 2009 Proposal for Academic Presentation: April 30, 2009 Notification of Extended Abstract Acceptance/Rejection:July 31, 2009 Notification of Academic Presentation Acceptance: May 15, 2009 Notification of Paper Acceptance/Rejection: August 15, 2009 Camera Ready Paper Due: September 01, 2009 Author Registration: September 15, 2009 Early Bird Attendee registration: October 01, 2009 Conference Dates: November 09-12, 2009 For further information please visit LICE-2009 at www.liceducation.org ___ Educators mailing list educat...@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/educators ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Fwd: soas on classmate
Hi, Recently I've been trying to load SoaS ( http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas1-200903232259.iso) onto a Classmate-2 laptop that we have here at my work. Following the instructions on the wiki (Sugar on a Stick/Installation) using using live iso to disk script, I created the USB (on a Sony 4GB Stick). However, booting from the USB on the Classmate I have the following msg Missing operating system. I know there are some examples of SoaS working out there in the community I was wondering if there maybe some steps I'm missing. I will try with different USB or SD card shortly. I have yet to try to boot on another machine so far. Regards, Mitchell Seaton ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: soas on classmate
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 10:54 +0200, Marten Vijn wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 17:59 +1000, Mitchell Seaton wrote: Hi, Recently I've been trying to load SoaS (http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas1-200903232259.iso) onto a Classmate-2 laptop that we have here at my work. Following the instructions on the wiki (Sugar on a Stick/Installation) using using live iso to disk script, I created the USB (on a Sony 4GB Stick). However, booting from the USB on the Classmate I have the following msg Missing operating system. I know there are some examples of SoaS working out there in the community I was wondering if there maybe some steps I'm missing. I will try with different USB or SD card shortly. I have yet to try to boot on another machine so far. Try to disconnect the latops battery for some seconds, pls let me know if this works, and try the stick on other devise. sometimes I also zero the drive: dd if=/dev/zero of=drive bs=1m or some zero'ing the MBR also helps, dd if=/dev/zero of=drive bs=512k count=1 I know 2G sd-card does work on a Classmate. . Kind regards, Marten kind regards, Marten Regards, Mitchell Seaton ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: soas on classmate
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 17:59 +1000, Mitchell Seaton wrote: Hi, Recently I've been trying to load SoaS (http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas1-200903232259.iso) onto a Classmate-2 laptop that we have here at my work. Following the instructions on the wiki (Sugar on a Stick/Installation) using using live iso to disk script, I created the USB (on a Sony 4GB Stick). However, booting from the USB on the Classmate I have the following msg Missing operating system. I know there are some examples of SoaS working out there in the community I was wondering if there maybe some steps I'm missing. I will try with different USB or SD card shortly. I have yet to try to boot on another machine so far. Try to disconnect the latops battery for some seconds, pls let me know if this works, kind regards, Marten Regards, Mitchell Seaton ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] soas on classmate
Hi, Recently I've been trying to load SoaS ( http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas1-200903232259.iso) onto a Classmate-2 laptop that we have here at my work. Following the instructions on the wiki (Sugar on a Stick/Installation) using using live iso to disk script, I created the USB (on a Sony 4GB Stick). However, booting from the USB on the Classmate I have the following msg Missing operating system. I know there are some examples of SoaS working out there in the community I was wondering if there maybe some steps I'm missing. I will try with different USB or SD card shortly. I have yet to try to boot on another machine so far. Regards, Mitchell Seaton ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: soas on classmate
Hi, Is it this problem? http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/421 How much of the boot do you get through? If so I have some questions that might help us gather data. 1. Did you burn your stick on windows or linux? 2. FAT or FAT32 format. And actually we know that in your case. 4GB can only be FAT32. If you have a 1 or 2GB stick, try formatting it FAT before you burn and let me know if that works. thanks, Caroline On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Mitchell Seaton meaton.2v+i...@gmail.commeaton.2v%2bi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Recently I've been trying to load SoaS ( http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas1-200903232259.iso) onto a Classmate-2 laptop that we have here at my work. Following the instructions on the wiki (Sugar on a Stick/Installation) using using live iso to disk script, I created the USB (on a Sony 4GB Stick). However, booting from the USB on the Classmate I have the following msg Missing operating system. I know there are some examples of SoaS working out there in the community I was wondering if there maybe some steps I'm missing. I will try with different USB or SD card shortly. I have yet to try to boot on another machine so far. Regards, Mitchell Seaton ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Sugar Activities Library can handle content
Hey all, Just had a successful content bundle test to http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/browse/type:all/cat:105 with NatureImages.xol. So, bring em on! david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] meetup in Europe
Hi all, has a decision been made regarding the date of this meetup? Especially for those from the other side of the Atlantic it would be useful to get a finalized date as soon as possible (preferably this week), but even for myself it's getting hard to keep the relevant timeslots open. Thanks, Christoph David Farning schrieb: Any time in May will be fine with me. I will also be there a either a week earlier or later just to visit and site see. I look forward to meeting you all. david On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Simon Schampijer schrieb: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Dear Sugar people, has been proposed a meetup in Europe during May, with the objectives of having some face-to-face time, reflect on the now past release of 0.84 (and the upcoming 0.86), get to know better the new contributors that joined us recently and have fun in general. As a start, how well works for people to meet in Prague during the weekend of the 16th? Regards, Tomeu One week earlier or one week later would be a bit better for me. But I will make it somehow in any case. One week earlier very likely wouldn't work for me, however the weekends of the 16th and 23rd would both be fine. Have a great weekend everyone, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] meetup in Europe
Actually I was communicating with Lionel Laské of the OLPC France association, at their April 1st meeting they decided to rename their ContentCamp to SugarCamp and they have obtained funding for a meeting room in Paris on May 16th. I was wondering, if the plans aren't finalized, could we consider meeting that weekend in Paris instead? In addition to seeing each other we could have workshops about Sugar OLPC France is doing interesting stuff such as a Madagascar deployment and they are very interested in Sugar on a Stick, Activities etc. What do you think? Sean P.S. on a related subject, this week I have the keys to my Paris apt. back from the renters who have moved out... so I could potentially put up a small crowd of visitors who wouldn't mind camping conditions On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Hi all, has a decision been made regarding the date of this meetup? Especially for those from the other side of the Atlantic it would be useful to get a finalized date as soon as possible (preferably this week), but even for myself it's getting hard to keep the relevant timeslots open. Thanks, Christoph David Farning schrieb: Any time in May will be fine with me. I will also be there a either a week earlier or later just to visit and site see. I look forward to meeting you all. david On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Simon Schampijer schrieb: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Dear Sugar people, has been proposed a meetup in Europe during May, with the objectives of having some face-to-face time, reflect on the now past release of 0.84 (and the upcoming 0.86), get to know better the new contributors that joined us recently and have fun in general. As a start, how well works for people to meet in Prague during the weekend of the 16th? Regards, Tomeu One week earlier or one week later would be a bit better for me. But I will make it somehow in any case. One week earlier very likely wouldn't work for me, however the weekends of the 16th and 23rd would both be fine. Have a great weekend everyone, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Activities Library can handle content
Remaining question is whether the info here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Content_bundles is still correct about media types. I want a bundle containing epub files, which is outside the types listed, but which Sayamindu's fbreader supports. Is it ok to have a content bundle with this media type? On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:46 AM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: Hey all, Just had a successful content bundle test to http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/browse/type:all/cat:105 with NatureImages.xol. So, bring em on! david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. -- Upton Sinclair ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Activities Library can handle content
To be more specific: http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/EPUB mime type is: application/epub+zip On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: Remaining question is whether the info here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Content_bundles is still correct about media types. I want a bundle containing epub files, which is outside the types listed, but which Sayamindu's fbreader supports. Is it ok to have a content bundle with this media type? On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:46 AM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: Hey all, Just had a successful content bundle test to http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/browse/type:all/cat:105 with NatureImages.xol. So, bring em on! david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. -- Upton Sinclair -- It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. -- Upton Sinclair ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] meetup in Europe
David Farning wrote: Any time in May will be fine with me. I will also be there a either a week earlier or later just to visit and site see. I look forward to meeting you all. david Hi all, sorry for being late in this thread (and thanks to Tomeu for referring me to it). For me, it's all a bit complicated, because it might be, that I won't be available from May 13 to 24. So a bit earlier might be better for me But this is currently not sure. I'll update you as soon as I know more. Anyway, since I wouldn't be in spring break then anymore, I'd either need to make it on the weekend, or to be allowed to leave school for some days. As I said, it sounds quite complicated and... my problem is partly, how to get to this or that location, be it Prague or be it Paris - I guess both of them are beautiful cities :) But finally, I'd still love to attend such a meetup, not only to meet you folks I already know from FOSDEM again, but also get to know the others. ;) I'll try my best to get all this sorted out and will try to watch this thread better now... --Sebastian On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Simon Schampijer schrieb: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Dear Sugar people, has been proposed a meetup in Europe during May, with the objectives of having some face-to-face time, reflect on the now past release of 0.84 (and the upcoming 0.86), get to know better the new contributors that joined us recently and have fun in general. As a start, how well works for people to meet in Prague during the weekend of the 16th? Regards, Tomeu One week earlier or one week later would be a bit better for me. But I will make it somehow in any case. One week earlier very likely wouldn't work for me, however the weekends of the 16th and 23rd would both be fine. Have a great weekend everyone, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Activities Library can handle content
I will make a leap and say that page is now out of data. As long as fbreader is available for download and the content bundle notes that additional software is needed to use the content you will be ok. Just a heads up that you will be the first user to upload content bundles so be prepared to file bugs or ask questions:) david On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: Remaining question is whether the info here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Content_bundles is still correct about media types. I want a bundle containing epub files, which is outside the types listed, but which Sayamindu's fbreader supports. Is it ok to have a content bundle with this media type? On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:46 AM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hey all, Just had a successful content bundle test to http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/browse/type:all/cat:105 with NatureImages.xol. So, bring em on! david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. -- Upton Sinclair ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] meetup in Europe
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 06:56:31PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I was wondering, if the plans aren't finalized, could we consider meeting that weekend in Paris instead? Prague is significantly cheaper for us to reach via train (312 EUR Prague vs. 424 EUR Paris; 2-way, 2 persons) and car (gas is about 20% cheaper). What about lodging and food? Tomeu mentioned hotels are cheap in Prague and that he could even accomodate some of us in his private headquarters. Aditionally, I've been to Paris several times before, but never to Prague. I don't speak either language, though. :) I'm not sure whether I can come (it mainly depends on money - GSoC acceptance would mean a definite yes, otherwise it's a maybe), but would love to. P.S. on a related subject, this week I have the keys to my Paris apt. back from the renters who have moved out... so I could potentially put up a small crowd of visitors who wouldn't mind camping conditions Sounds good (so Paris might be on equal terms to Prague in that respect). :) CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] meetup in Europe
[Sorry for replying to GP] I'm already traveling the weekend of May 16th so unfortunately I won't be able to make it - but would be up for Prague other weekends (not that I expect plans to be made around my schedule). Martin pgp83iuxnEGQc.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Sugar Labs Budget.
Last week, I set the rather abstract goal of raising $100,000US for Sugar Labs. $100,000 seems like a reasonable number for a project in its second year. Last year, Sugar Labs proved that it could get a surprisingly large amount of development accomplished with very little money. As for direct spending, I believe that Sugar Labs should focus it's resources entirely on community and ecosystem development. A strong community and ecosystem means more Sugar related job! The primary method for us to strengthen the community is through travel stipends to enable contributors to meet face to face. The primary method for us to build the ecosystem is to send ambassadors, such as Walter, to meet with potential partners. So far Walter has been covering his much of his own travel expenses:( The second method for building both the community and ecosystem is getting out the word through marketing. As a starting point I suggest that we spend approximately 70% on travel and 30% on marketing. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] meetup in Europe
On 04/06/09 21:24, Sascha Silbe wrote: Prague is significantly cheaper for us to reach via train (312 EUR Prague vs. 424 EUR Paris; 2-way, 2 persons) and car (gas is about 20% cheaper). Wow, trains are for you rich people! I'm gonna come by plane instead: http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/ http://www.easyjet.com/ Less than €100 round trip on most date ranges from Pisa to Paris. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Budget.
Mmm, personally I'd say that at least a third of Sugar Labs' budget should go towards actual development. All of that traveling and outreach becomes somewhat of a moot point when the actual platform we're building a community around and marketing doesn't work as advertised/expected. Just my 2 euro-cents, Christoph Am 06.04.2009 um 23:28 schrieb David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org: Last week, I set the rather abstract goal of raising $100,000US for Sugar Labs. $100,000 seems like a reasonable number for a project in its second year. Last year, Sugar Labs proved that it could get a surprisingly large amount of development accomplished with very little money. As for direct spending, I believe that Sugar Labs should focus it's resources entirely on community and ecosystem development. A strong community and ecosystem means more Sugar related job! The primary method for us to strengthen the community is through travel stipends to enable contributors to meet face to face. The primary method for us to build the ecosystem is to send ambassadors, such as Walter, to meet with potential partners. So far Walter has been covering his much of his own travel expenses:( The second method for building both the community and ecosystem is getting out the word through marketing. As a starting point I suggest that we spend approximately 70% on travel and 30% on marketing. david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Budget.
On 04/06/09 23:28, David Farning wrote: Last week, I set the rather abstract goal of raising $100,000US for Sugar Labs. $100,000 seems like a reasonable number for a project in its second year. Last year, Sugar Labs proved that it could get a surprisingly large amount of development accomplished with very little money. As for direct spending, I believe that Sugar Labs should focus it's resources entirely on community and ecosystem development. A strong community and ecosystem means more Sugar related job! The primary method for us to strengthen the community is through travel stipends to enable contributors to meet face to face. The primary method for us to build the ecosystem is to send ambassadors, such as Walter, to meet with potential partners. So far Walter has been covering his much of his own travel expenses:( The second method for building both the community and ecosystem is getting out the word through marketing. So far, I totally agree with what you said. As a starting point I suggest that we spend approximately 70% on travel and 30% on marketing. 50% and 50% sounds more reasonable to me, considering that at some point we'll want to reach out for a non geeky audience, too. I'd be curious to see what the budget of the Mozilla foundation looks like. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Budget.
Luke Faraone schrieb: On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at mailto:e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote: Mmm, personally I'd say that at least a third of Sugar Labs' budget should go towards actual development. All of that traveling and outreach becomes somewhat of a moot point when the actual platform we're building a community around and marketing doesn't work as advertised/expected. Paying developers who used to work pro bono can reduce total output, counterintuitively. See http://mako.cc/writing/funding_volunteers/funding_volunteers.html http://mako.cc/writing/funding_volunteers/funding_volunteers.htmland http://wiki.mako.cc/Crowding_out. http://wiki.mako.cc/Crowding_out Quote from http://mako.cc/writing/funding_volunteers/funding_volunteers.html: Done critically, creatively, and transparently, voluntary free software projects can use money and paid labor to a tremendous benefit that only magnifies their accomplishments. I personally think this is something that Sugar Labs should be aiming for. Also I think it's important to realize there's a difference between paying development and paying developers. As a Sugar user I don't particularly care about who commits the code or writes the documentation as long as the job of fixing bugs and improving and advancing the platform gets done. Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] meetup in Europe
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 01:27:31AM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Prague is significantly cheaper for us to reach via train (312 EUR Prague vs. 424 EUR Paris; 2-way, 2 persons) and car (gas is about 20% cheaper). Wow, trains are for you rich people! Yep. :-/ If we decide fast enough, there are some cheaper options: europe special tariff for train - the way back is already booked out, though - or carsharing (Mitfahrzentrale). The latter one would be around 120EUR total and definitely affordable for us. I'm gonna come by plane instead: Not an option for us (at least not if my gf is coming as well). CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] meetup in Europe
On 04/07/09 02:23, Sascha Silbe wrote: I'm gonna come by plane instead: Not an option for us (at least not if my gf is coming as well). Have you considered driving to Paris? Even within Italy, with toll highways, car gets cheaper than train at ~2.5 people. Berlin to Paris would be just a 9 hours drive, a little shorter than the trip I did from Florence several times. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://www.sugarlabs.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Budget.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Am 06.04.2009 um 23:28 schrieb David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org: Last week, I set the rather abstract goal of raising $100,000US for Sugar Labs. $100,000 seems like a reasonable number for a project in its second year. Last year, Sugar Labs proved that it could get a surprisingly large amount of development accomplished with very little money. As for direct spending, I believe that Sugar Labs should focus it's resources entirely on community and ecosystem development. Mmm, personally I'd say that at least a third of Sugar Labs' budget should go towards actual development. All of that traveling and outreach becomes somewhat of a moot point when the actual platform we're building a community around and marketing doesn't work as advertised/expected. In my view, it's a question of amounts. Some rough numbers from a US perspective: paying a software developer a salary of $50,000 a year, much lower than industry standard for the skill and experience we require, typically costs the payer about $100,000 a year due to payroll taxes, health insurance, and business paperwork expenses. That's David's entire imaginary budget. Also, I think it's important to remember that Sugar Labs has never received a development grant from any granting agency and Sugar has never been associated with any profitable entity. Walter has diligently applied for many grants for educational software development but (as far as I am aware) none have been accepted. OLPC and Red Hat spent way more money on Sugar development than they made back. Sugar has not been a profitable enterprise. Currently we have no money, and no path by which we may particularly expect to get money, so all talk of spending it is a bit premature. Paying the core developers enough to work full time on Sugar would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. The obvious question is: what can we buy for less? I don't think we can reasonably buy the time of people who already have full-time jobs. That leaves two types of people: contractors and interns. Professional software development contractors typically charge very high rates, probably not affordable to us. Student interns are cheap: perhaps $3000 for three months of work. It seems reasonable to me that Sugar Labs could offer summer internships, to go beyond the number of slots offered through Google Summer of Code. Such a program would serve to enhance community development and potentially add some value to Sugar. However, interns are unlikely to have much luck making Sugar work as advertised, because core features and core debugging require familiarity with a large codebase that is beyond most undergraduates. My claim, then, is that Sugar is not sustainable on a professional basis until there are organizations with revenues from Sugar totaling at least ~$500,000 a year. After immediate business expenses, this might be enough to hire one or two full-time developers. So if you want to start paying developers, I recommend that you also start working on schemes to acquire Very Large Amounts of money. - --Ben -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknao7YACgkQUJT6e6HFtqQimACfeO3VlizL6kmlFUV2xQbYll3C B7QAn2BDxisvnlaH66AjiQxDCmkukTBy =5kss -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] meetup in Europe
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 02:44:07AM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Have you considered driving to Paris? Yes, I have (see my first reply). Unless someone else is coming with us (and providing a car), I would need to check with our carsharing club first about driving outside germany, but it would probably be around 160EUR for 3 days (i.e. significantly cheaper than train). Prague should be about the same (distance is more or less the same, depending on exact location). Mitfahrzentrale (someone else driving to Prague anyway and taking us with him) would still be cheaper. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] meetup in Europe
I'd really like to make it to this meeting. I've never been to Prague or Paris. I also don't have a big preference on dates. Its just a matter of seeing if I can break free from work etc. Caroline On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-i...@silbe.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 02:44:07AM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Have you considered driving to Paris? Yes, I have (see my first reply). Unless someone else is coming with us (and providing a car), I would need to check with our carsharing club first about driving outside germany, but it would probably be around 160EUR for 3 days (i.e. significantly cheaper than train). Prague should be about the same (distance is more or less the same, depending on exact location). Mitfahrzentrale (someone else driving to Prague anyway and taking us with him) would still be cheaper. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJ2qcAAAoJELpz82VMF3Da774IALT4DNf+6NjnGHexJLthaEGq cfr8+ktXajWwFyLP/Nnj2JgEhG72khGTz7GGJu5cEa+38QD5pJdCvxLWl49+6WzX eJWar0AXwIPaI1T4loovhp//GETwe2z55Vmlw4r2r8wf4ZaCVCsODI5JHQbS9Nt+ 2t6JpYPyfFOt7xAVj8SlAKeEzH0ibgFYOKezetiN8EskQqpPLAGhMTFsWlaZAvYk lLmKhfukkw3FzyFwIQl3TuJuEtmlXpKACxFwcHAglJOIc+8z8Bu+3/nnYkaC5Q48 4opCvvDWS2mLaSWkwn+bUmHv4U/X/q5mn4tCBq2wyV4GbsP/Mz/qEM2uTAuR35A= =lxgL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: soas on classmate
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Is it this problem? http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/421 How much of the boot do you get through? No boot. I simply get Missing operating system. I select to boot from usb: Sony etc, and immediately shows this screen. If so I have some questions that might help us gather data. 1. Did you burn your stick on windows or linux? Using Ubuntu 8.10 with livecd-iso-to-disk script, 2. FAT or FAT32 format. And actually we know that in your case. 4GB can only be FAT32. If you have a 1 or 2GB stick, try formatting it FAT before you burn and let me know if that works. Cleared the MBR, reformatted as FAT (32) using mkfs.vfat. Changed default to linux0 in syslinux.cfg. USB has two directories: LiveOS and syslinux directories. Still having the same problem occurring. Cheers, Mitch thanks, Caroline On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Mitchell Seaton meaton.2v+i...@gmail.commeaton.2v%2bi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Recently I've been trying to load SoaS ( http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas1-200903232259.iso) onto a Classmate-2 laptop that we have here at my work. Following the instructions on the wiki (Sugar on a Stick/Installation) using using live iso to disk script, I created the USB (on a Sony 4GB Stick). However, booting from the USB on the Classmate I have the following msg Missing operating system. I know there are some examples of SoaS working out there in the community I was wondering if there maybe some steps I'm missing. I will try with different USB or SD card shortly. I have yet to try to boot on another machine so far. Regards, Mitchell Seaton ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
