Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists
The problem with this approach is that it renders SoaS ineffective for new tryers of Sugar (i.e. the overwhelming majority of teachers and parents we are trying to reach). As SoaS is the pillar of our marketing strategy, this means cancelling the planned SoaS media campaign in May. No big deal, since we are not far along in the campaign planning and we have another campaign in the pipeline. SoaS version numbers are tied to the media campaigns (cf. [1]), so the next promotable version (Cloudberry in the fall) should be v3. We can position this release (Mirabelle) as a maintenance release and concentrate on developer recruitment instead. Sean [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2009-September/002049.html On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: SoaS engineering just proposed a major change-in-direction for the upcoming (Mirabelle) release. See http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/soas/2010-March/000906.html for more information - we're asking people to continue discussion on that thread, so please reply there (rather than here). The short version is that instead of include all Activites by default, we're thinking of shipping very few (6) Activities by default - the ones that help users get further Activities and help - and driving them to ASLO to download Activities and engage directly with Activity creators instead. Other related threads - please join the appropriate list and join the conversation there if you're interested in the topic. Marketing: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2010-March/002727.html Activity developers: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-March/023066.html We'd like feedback and comments and all the usual, but please have discussions on the threads we linked to above - we're sending this message to iaep as a heads-up for people who may be interested but not yet on these lists. Thanks, --Sebastian and Mel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] [GSoC] mentor application
As per the instructions in the wiki (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/Mentors): User:Walter * Name/contact Walter Bender (walter AT sl.o) * Timezone EST (UTC+4) * What kind of projects could/would you mentor? Activities, and some Sugar UI-related projects * How much time could you devote to mentoring? Can you make the especially solid commitment of being a double-mentor? Not sure what a double mentor is, but I could put in 10 hours/week... * What relevant coding experience do you have (very briefly, two sentences at most)? I have been with the Sugar project since the beginning and have been making the occasional Sugar patch; I have written and maintain a half-dozen activities. * What relevant mentoring (or related) experience do you have? I was a GSoC coordinator and mentor in 2009. I have supervised hundreds of MIT undergraduate research projects and 50+ graduate-level (MSPhD) thesis projects. * Anything else you think is relevant. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: The short version is that instead of include all Activites by default, we're thinking of shipping very few (6) Activities by default - the ones that help users get further Activities and help I read Sebastian's post... and is less drastic than that. He seems to say: include only the well tested, known to work, actively maintained activities, with an eye towards activitries that serve as a good intro to the platform and that demo well. But you say only 6... Which one is it? The initial proposal I like; makes a lot of sense and raises the bar. IT basically increases the chances of a satisfactory first use. Six activities not so much -- you need many steps + internet to add activities... and it'll be random activity from ASLO, may well be unstable or useless. It significantly _reduces_ chances of satisfaction. All IMHO... m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists
Totally 120% with Martin here. I am completely unhappy with the usability of the concept of download your own activities for the total n00b. 20? Maybe as an option a stripped-down somewhere for power users who really want to do what is proposed. (I seem to recall there was a request for discussing this elsewhere, but I don't remember and erased the original email, so my apologies) Martin Langhoff wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: The short version is that instead of include all Activites by default, we're thinking of shipping very few (6) Activities by default - the ones that help users get further Activities and help I read Sebastian's post... and is less drastic than that. He seems to say: include only the well tested, known to work, actively maintained activities, with an eye towards activitries that serve as a good intro to the platform and that demo well. But you say only 6... Which one is it? The initial proposal I like; makes a lot of sense and raises the bar. IT basically increases the chances of a satisfactory first use. Six activities not so much -- you need many steps + internet to add activities... and it'll be random activity from ASLO, may well be unstable or useless. It significantly _reduces_ chances of satisfaction. All IMHO... m ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists
I have to agree with Martin and Yama, here. Speaking for teachers working with students, the extra work to download the extra activities desired for over a hundred flash drives would be daunting at best. Gerald On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Yamandu Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.comwrote: Totally 120% with Martin here. I am completely unhappy with the usability of the concept of download your own activities for the total n00b. 20? Maybe as an option a stripped-down somewhere for power users who really want to do what is proposed. (I seem to recall there was a request for discussing this elsewhere, but I don't remember and erased the original email, so my apologies) Martin Langhoff wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: The short version is that instead of include all Activites by default, we're thinking of shipping very few (6) Activities by default - the ones that help users get further Activities and help I read Sebastian's post... and is less drastic than that. He seems to say: include only the well tested, known to work, actively maintained activities, with an eye towards activitries that serve as a good intro to the platform and that demo well. But you say only 6... Which one is it? The initial proposal I like; makes a lot of sense and raises the bar. IT basically increases the chances of a satisfactory first use. Six activities not so much -- you need many steps + internet to add activities... and it'll be random activity from ASLO, may well be unstable or useless. It significantly _reduces_ chances of satisfaction. All IMHO... m ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists
Hi... In July 2009 I installed SoaS on my Mac using a CD made by Scott Dowdle at Bozeman LUG/Montana State University. It currently lives in Virtual Box on my computer. I don't have the CD any more. Since then, I have been using it to demo Sugar to several hundred people at meetings and conferences in Montana, California, and even Argentina! The Activities include: Jigsaw Puzzle InfoSlicer IRC Moon Memorize Speak Turtle Art Etoys Pippy and Jukebox Some work better than others. I haven't been able to get Jukebox to work at all. Perhaps it would be a good idea to make a prototype of the SoaS version you want to use and have ordinary folks test it on a variety of platforms. There should certainly be more than 6 Activities. BTW, Speak and Memorize are hits everywhere. Caryl From: martin.langh...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:54:04 -0400 To: m...@melchua.com CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; s...@sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: The short version is that instead of include all Activites by default, we're thinking of shipping very few (6) Activities by default - the ones that help users get further Activities and help I read Sebastian's post... and is less drastic than that. He seems to say: include only the well tested, known to work, actively maintained activities, with an eye towards activitries that serve as a good intro to the platform and that demo well. But you say only 6... Which one is it? The initial proposal I like; makes a lot of sense and raises the bar. IT basically increases the chances of a satisfactory first use. Six activities not so much -- you need many steps + internet to add activities... and it'll be random activity from ASLO, may well be unstable or useless. It significantly _reduces_ chances of satisfaction. All IMHO... m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists
Hi Martin, On 20 Mar 2010, at 15:54, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: The short version is that instead of include all Activites by default, we're thinking of shipping very few (6) Activities by default - the ones that help users get further Activities and help I read Sebastian's post... and is less drastic than that. He seems to say: include only the well tested, known to work, actively maintained activities, with an eye towards activitries that serve as a good intro to the platform and that demo well. But you say only 6... Which one is it? This is what I see in the kickstart file: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas/repos/mainline/blobs/master/fedora-livecd-soas.ks # == sugar activities == sugar-browse # Because they need this to install activities. sugar-log # Because they need this for debugging. sugar-physics # Because this is a great demo example (quick demo). sugar-terminal # Because this makes debugging easier. sugar-turtleart # Because this is a great demo example (extended demo). sugar-xoirc # Because this helps us help them. The initial proposal I like; makes a lot of sense and raises the bar. IT basically increases the chances of a satisfactory first use. Six activities not so much -- you need many steps + internet to add activities... and it'll be random activity from ASLO, may well be unstable or useless. It significantly _reduces_ chances of satisfaction. All IMHO... +1, six does seem rather slim, more of a technical taster for a developer audience (not necessarily a bad thing in the right context). Walter mentioned perhaps making this a Fedora spin, rather than an official SoaS release aimed at our real target users (teachers/children)? Regards, --Gary P.S. I am worried about reports of several previously well working activities that seem to be currently broken in recent SoaS builds (Write and IRC), unfortunately I don't have time to often test under SoaS (other than the official Blueberry) as well as my regular day to day sugar-jhbuild set-up (F10). ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] An DVD with an off line library accessible from Browse for downloading of additional activities to sugar v3 USB ?
Message: 5 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:54:04 -0400 From: Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists To: Mel Chua m...@melchua.com Cc: iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, Sebastian Dziallas s...@sugarlabs.org Message-ID: 46a038f91003200854jf6705f4i65052df18172e...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: The short version is that instead of include all Activites by default, we're thinking of shipping very few (6) Activities by default - the ones that help users get further Activities and help I read Sebastian's post... and is less drastic than that. He seems to say: include only the well tested, known to work, actively maintained activities, with an eye towards activitries that serve as a good intro to the platform and that demo well. But you say only 6... Which one is it? The initial proposal I like; makes a lot of sense and raises the bar. IT basically increases the chances of a satisfactory first use. Six activities not so much -- you need many steps + internet to add -- Could a DVD of most used activities be built that could act as an off line library accessible from Browse for downloading of additional activities? This would make the internet access a mute point. (Great for Sneaker-net use off line) Tom Gilliard satellit --- activities... and it'll be random activity from ASLO, may well be unstable or useless. It significantly _reduces_ chances of satisfaction. All IMHO... m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with this approach is that it renders SoaS ineffective for new tryers of Sugar (i.e. the overwhelming majority of teachers and parents we are trying to reach). I don't think it will be any less ineffective than having 20 activities of which half have issues, crash or just don't run. Are people saying _only 6 activities work reliably?_ My question of which is it? was assuming there are more than 6 that run well, demo well, maintained, etc. So it meant which plan is it, 6 activities that allow downloading and installing of more, or the good ones? If there are only 6 good ones... would focus on making that list longer. Did APIs break with Sugar churn, Fedora churn? Developers upload without testing? (Rethorical! Flamefest warning! Those questions are bound to be a flamefest blaming people who don't deserve to be blamed... :-( ) cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:06:53PM -0400, Gerald Ardito wrote: Speaking for teachers working with students, the extra work to download the extra activities desired for over a hundred flash drives would be daunting at best. FWIW, I think downloading activities to each individual stick is an utter waste of time. There are better ways to do that; off the top of my head, you can: a) Prepare / configure a single stick (the smallest one) and clone it by removing ~/.sugar/default/owner.key* and using dd to do an exact copy of the stick or b) create a custom SoaS image[2]. Yes, we could and should build tools that allow non-techies to do this easily. But anyone doing a deployment at this scale will need a system administrator anyway - even if just a teacher with a reasonable amount of Unix/Linux experience. [1] https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/74 [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Customization CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with this approach is that it renders SoaS ineffective for new tryers of Sugar (i.e. the overwhelming majority of teachers and parents we are trying to reach). I don't think it will be any less ineffective than having 20 activities of which half have issues, crash or just don't run. Are people saying _only 6 activities work reliably?_ My question of which is it? was assuming there are more than 6 that run well, demo well, maintained, etc. So it meant which plan is it, 6 activities that allow downloading and installing of more, or the good ones? If there are only 6 good ones... would focus on making that list longer. Did APIs break with Sugar churn, Fedora churn? Developers upload without testing? (Rethorical! Flamefest warning! Those questions are bound to be a flamefest blaming people who don't deserve to be blamed... :-( ) A big issue that we are have on the .deb side is the the distros are pushing ahead with new, faster, stronger While sugar has stabilized on a base. The biggest issue for us is with xulrunner and browse. Since mozilla has dropped support for xulrunner and xpcom in favor of web kit. Ubuntu is not willing to carry it forward in the upcoming LTS release. I don't know if one can properly assign blame. It is more the nature of evolutionary software development. Upstreams move forward while downstreams are more hesitant because they have significant investments and support cost to consider. david cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:32, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Martin, On 20 Mar 2010, at 15:54, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: The short version is that instead of include all Activites by default, we're thinking of shipping very few (6) Activities by default - the ones that help users get further Activities and help I read Sebastian's post... and is less drastic than that. He seems to say: include only the well tested, known to work, actively maintained activities, with an eye towards activitries that serve as a good intro to the platform and that demo well. But you say only 6... Which one is it? This is what I see in the kickstart file: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas/repos/mainline/blobs/master/fedora-livecd-soas.ks # == sugar activities == sugar-browse # Because they need this to install activities. sugar-log # Because they need this for debugging. sugar-physics # Because this is a great demo example (quick demo). sugar-terminal # Because this makes debugging easier. sugar-turtleart # Because this is a great demo example (extended demo). sugar-xoirc # Because this helps us help them. Not a bad minimum list, but what prevents us from installing a few more? What information do we have on which others work best? (Language support, no blocker bugs, really good demos of education...) I assume that we have to omit activities that depend on the camera or the sound system. I would like to see a few additions. o Write and Paint, excellent examples of collaboration o Chat for making friends, sharing tips and experiences, organizing collaborations o Pippy and Etoys for introductory programming o Scratch for multimedia I have not had any issues with any of them lately. Other votes, please. The initial proposal I like; makes a lot of sense and raises the bar. IT basically increases the chances of a satisfactory first use. Six activities not so much -- you need many steps + internet to add activities... and it'll be random activity from ASLO, may well be unstable or useless. It significantly _reduces_ chances of satisfaction. All IMHO... +1, six does seem rather slim, more of a technical taster for a developer audience (not necessarily a bad thing in the right context). Walter mentioned perhaps making this a Fedora spin, rather than an official SoaS release aimed at our real target users (teachers/children)? Regards, --Gary P.S. I am worried about reports of several previously well working activities that seem to be currently broken in recent SoaS builds (Write and IRC), unfortunately I don't have time to often test under SoaS (other than the official Blueberry) as well as my regular day to day sugar-jhbuild set-up (F10). ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://www.earthtreasury.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 5:21 PM, David Farning dfarn...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with this approach is that it renders SoaS ineffective for new tryers of Sugar (i.e. the overwhelming majority of teachers and parents we are trying to reach). I don't think it will be any less ineffective than having 20 activities of which half have issues, crash or just don't run. Are people saying _only 6 activities work reliably?_ My question of which is it? was assuming there are more than 6 that run well, demo well, maintained, etc. So it meant which plan is it, 6 activities that allow downloading and installing of more, or the good ones? If there are only 6 good ones... would focus on making that list longer. Did APIs break with Sugar churn, Fedora churn? Developers upload without testing? (Rethorical! Flamefest warning! Those questions are bound to be a flamefest blaming people who don't deserve to be blamed... :-( ) A big issue that we are have on the .deb side is the the distros are pushing ahead with new, faster, stronger While sugar has stabilized on a base. The biggest issue for us is with xulrunner and browse. Since mozilla has dropped support for xulrunner and xpcom in favor of web kit. Ubuntu is not willing to carry it forward in the upcoming LTS release. I'm not sure what you mean by Mozilla dropping support for xulrunner and xpcom. do you mean gnome moving to webkit? Peter ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists
OK. Let's focus a bit here. In the spirit of IAEP, I wonder who this version of SoaS will be for... educators and students or developers? It seems like the discussion is favoring the latter. That would be a big disappointment to those of us who are waiting to have a good stable version to share with the education community. While Physics is a fun Activity, the Memorize Activity can offer far more in educational value, and works fine in the version of SoaS I have (old... from June 2009... I sent the list of Activities in an earlier email). The folks at Sugar Labs Argentina did almost all of their teacher training in La Rioja using SoaS on PCs because only a few XO-1.5s had arrived when the training took place last month. Why doesn't someone techie who is fluent in el Castellano communicate with them and find out what Activities and version they used? It might be helpful. Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 13:40, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: OK. Let's focus a bit here. In the spirit of IAEP, I wonder who this version of SoaS will be for... educators and students or developers? It seems like the discussion is favoring the latter. That would be a big disappointment to those of us who are waiting to have a good stable version to share with the education community. Sounds to me like it's for deployers, people looking to make derivatives of SoaS. As Silbe said, there are tools for building new images with more activities. On the other hand, it would be useful to have an all inclusive version of SoaS for instant-on usage of the system. Or, better, to have it be incredibly easy to download from ASLO activities that have been tested and QAd, and to have these activities widely promoted on the page. -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 24, Issue 39
Mel, If I could suggest adding either (but not both) of Get Internet Archive Books or Get Books. GIAB is pretty robust, has just been given a new-style toolbar, and no longer leaves behind a useless Journal entry after it runs. This (or Get Books) would enable new SoaS users to get a bunch of books to read with Read (from a collection of over a million). James Simmons On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: The short version is that instead of include all Activites by default, we're thinking of shipping very few (6) Activities by default - the ones that help users get further Activities and help ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] IAEP Digest, Vol 24, Issue 39
Hi James, On 20 Mar 2010, at 17:59, James Simmons wrote: If I could suggest adding either (but not both) of Get Internet Archive Books or Get Books. GIAB is pretty robust, has just been given a new-style toolbar, and no longer leaves behind a useless Journal entry after it runs. This (or Get Books) would enable new SoaS users to get a bunch of books to read with Read (from a collection of over a million). +1, but you'll notice Read is not in the 6 proposed base activities included... It is listed in the kickstart file, commented out, under a section titled These are Activities that aren't quite there, but are important, so we're going to encourage people to test them. I've not seen any track tickets yet for why Read is not up to par. http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas/repos/mainline/blobs/master/fedora-livecd-soas.ks I wish I had more time to help out, but what time I can spare goes to Sugar/Activities upstream, not distro platform and packaging issues. Regards, --Gary ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists
Hi... Some of us are blocked from posting on the Marketing List, I think that is how it got divided. Luke has some great ideas here... From: l...@faraone.cc To: cbige...@hotmail.com CC: martin.langh...@gmail.com; pbrobin...@gmail.com; m...@melchua.com; market...@lists.sugarlabs.org; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; i...@solarsail.media.mit.edu; s...@sugarlabs.org Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:51:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [IAEP] SoaS change of direction: heads-up on convos in other lists On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 13:40, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: OK. Let's focus a bit here. In the spirit of IAEP, I wonder who this version of SoaS will be for... educators and students or developers? It seems like the discussion is favoring the latter. That would be a big disappointment to those of us who are waiting to have a good stable version to share with the education community. Sounds to me like it's for deployers, people looking to make derivatives of SoaS. As Silbe said, there are tools for building new images with more activities. On the other hand, it would be useful to have an all inclusive version of SoaS for instant-on usage of the system. Or, better, to have it be incredibly easy to download from ASLO activities that have been tested and QAd, and to have these activities widely promoted on the page. Yes! this would be wonderful! Could it be done before April 24? (I can dream can't I?). Caryl -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
