Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Re: [SLOBS] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Caryl Bigenhowrote: > To reply would require naming names, times, and places. I prefer not to > get that personal. The issues I refer to have been discussed at length by > others in the past. > I had asked you off list so that you could choose to be discrete regarding public airing of indiscretions. I remain ignorant of what you are referring to and would appreciate a response. I'd also like an explanation of seeming contradiction between your position regarding earmarked funds: on the one hand you say you don't want to provide general funds because they can be used generally and on the other, you suggested that earmarked funds be used generally. I am confused. regards. -walter > > Caryl > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2016, at 5:31 AM, Walter Bender > wrote: > > > > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 2:40 AM, Caryl Bigenho > wrote: > >> Hi All…. >> >> Busy time for us so I haven't had a chance to chime in on the motion for >> "dues." I personally do not care to contribute any unearmarked funds to >> SugarLabs. I am not at all pleased at the way funds have been carelessly >> disbursed to a select few in the past and feel no need to send my good >> money off to be used in a similar fashion. >> > > This is a serious accusation. (A) I am not aware of any carelessly > disbursed funds; (B) you recently suggested (in a comment on the Financial > Manager motion) that the earmarked funds should be spent on whatever we > want, since "times change", a notion I strongly object to. I would > appreciate a clarification. > > regards. > > -walter > > >> Every year at tax time we enumerate our contributions in support of >> SugarLabs, and other sub-organizations, and I can assure you they are >> substantial They include such things as expenses to attend conferences, >> booth banners, printing costs for hand-outs etc. We reach hundreds of >> potential Sugar users and, occasionally, potential Sugar "contributors." >> >> Meanwhile, SugarLabs funds are freely distributed to others to cover >> their expenses to do similar things and other things that have far smaller >> "returns on investment." So, although I cannot vote on this (since I am not >> a member of SLOB), I do want to voice my opposition to this motion. >> >> I am not alone in this. >> >> I think if it passes you will lose many members who are strong supporters >> of Sugar and open source but feel, as I do, that SugarLabs is not the only >> way to do it. Put simply, they will "vote with their feet." >> >> I have no objection to contributing something "in kind" in lieu of dues… >> a new banner, some clever swag or the like to use in marketing Sugar and >> SugarLabs. But, dues… no thanks! >> >> Caryl >> >> -- >> From: d...@lab6.com >> Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 10:00:14 -0400 >> To: tony_ander...@usa.net >> CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org >> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Re: [SLOBS] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations >> + Public Statements >> >> >> Hi! >> >> On 23 May 2016 at 09:44, Tony Anderson wrote: >> >> I am not aware of any method to donate money to Sugar Labs. I understand >> we need to make the donations to SFC and somehow have the money arrive in >> our funds. >> >> >> That's right. >> >> The #1 service for member projects listed at http://sfconservancy.org/ >> members/services/ is: >> >> *Tax-Deductible, Earmarked Donations* >> >> Member projects can receive earmarked donations through Conservancy. >> Since Conservancy is a 501(c)(3) charity incorporated in New York, donors >> can often deduct the donation on their USA taxes. Additionally, the donors >> can indicate that their donation should be used to advance a specific >> member project, and those funds are kept in a separate account for the >> member project by Conservancy. This structure prevents developers from >> having to commingle project funds with their own personal accounts or >> having to set up their own project specific account. >> >> Since Conservancy is a tax-exempt organization, there are some limits >> that the law places on what member projects can do with their assets, but >> those limits are the same as if the project was an independent non-profit >> entity. Usually, the project leadership instructs Conservancy's leadership >> on how the project's funds are spent. Conservancy spends these funds on the >> project's behalf on any expenses that constitute appropriate activity under >> Conservancy's 501(c)(3) not-for-profit mission. Some typical uses of >> earmarked donations by Conservancy's member projects are: >> >> >>- funding travel expenses for project developers to attend relevant >> conferences. >> - domain name fees, bandwidth costs, and computer equipment >> purchases. >> - purchasing media for distribution of project software at >> conferences and events. >> - paying key developers on a
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Re: [SLOBS] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements
To reply would require naming names, times, and places. I prefer not to get that personal. The issues I refer to have been discussed at length by others in the past. Caryl Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2016, at 5:31 AM, Walter Benderwrote: > > > >> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 2:40 AM, Caryl Bigenho wrote: >> Hi All…. >> >> Busy time for us so I haven't had a chance to chime in on the motion for >> "dues." I personally do not care to contribute any unearmarked funds to >> SugarLabs. I am not at all pleased at the way funds have been carelessly >> disbursed to a select few in the past and feel no need to send my good money >> off to be used in a similar fashion. > > This is a serious accusation. (A) I am not aware of any carelessly disbursed > funds; (B) you recently suggested (in a comment on the Financial Manager > motion) that the earmarked funds should be spent on whatever we want, since > "times change", a notion I strongly object to. I would appreciate a > clarification. > > regards. > > -walter > >> >> Every year at tax time we enumerate our contributions in support of >> SugarLabs, and other sub-organizations, and I can assure you they are >> substantial They include such things as expenses to attend conferences, >> booth banners, printing costs for hand-outs etc. We reach hundreds of >> potential Sugar users and, occasionally, potential Sugar "contributors." >> >> Meanwhile, SugarLabs funds are freely distributed to others to cover their >> expenses to do similar things and other things that have far smaller >> "returns on investment." So, although I cannot vote on this (since I am not >> a member of SLOB), I do want to voice my opposition to this motion. >> >> I am not alone in this. >> >> I think if it passes you will lose many members who are strong supporters of >> Sugar and open source but feel, as I do, that SugarLabs is not the only way >> to do it. Put simply, they will "vote with their feet." >> >> I have no objection to contributing something "in kind" in lieu of dues… a >> new banner, some clever swag or the like to use in marketing Sugar and >> SugarLabs. But, dues… no thanks! >> >> Caryl >> >> From: d...@lab6.com >> Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 10:00:14 -0400 >> To: tony_ander...@usa.net >> CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org >> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Re: [SLOBS] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + >> Public Statements >> >> >> Hi! >> >> On 23 May 2016 at 09:44, Tony Anderson wrote: >> I am not aware of any method to donate money to Sugar Labs. I understand we >> need to make the donations to SFC and somehow have the money arrive in our >> funds. >> >> That's right. >> >> The #1 service for member projects listed at >> http://sfconservancy.org/members/services/ is: >> >> Tax-Deductible, Earmarked Donations >> >> Member projects can receive earmarked donations through Conservancy. Since >> Conservancy is a 501(c)(3) charity incorporated in New York, donors can >> often deduct the donation on their USA taxes. Additionally, the donors can >> indicate that their donation should be used to advance a specific member >> project, and those funds are kept in a separate account for the member >> project by Conservancy. This structure prevents developers from having to >> commingle project funds with their own personal accounts or having to set up >> their own project specific account. >> >> Since Conservancy is a tax-exempt organization, there are some limits that >> the law places on what member projects can do with their assets, but those >> limits are the same as if the project was an independent non-profit entity. >> Usually, the project leadership instructs Conservancy's leadership on how >> the project's funds are spent. Conservancy spends these funds on the >> project's behalf on any expenses that constitute appropriate activity under >> Conservancy's 501(c)(3) not-for-profit mission. Some typical uses of >> earmarked donations by Conservancy's member projects are: >> >> funding travel expenses for project developers to attend relevant >> conferences. >> domain name fees, bandwidth costs, and computer equipment purchases. >> purchasing media for distribution of project software at conferences and >> events. >> paying key developers on a contractual basis to improve the project's >> software and its documentation. >> sponsoring and organizing conferences for the project. >> trademark registration and enforcement. >> FLOSS license enforcement and compliance activity. >> >> http://sfconservancy.org/donate/ says, >> >> Donate to Our Member Projects >> >> Finally, Conservancy also maintains directed donation programs for its >> member projects. Donation links for these directed donation programs are >> typically found on the individual websites of our members. >> >> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Donate says, >> >> Mail us a check >>
Re: [IAEP] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Dave Crosslandwrote: > $600 is plenty serious :) So, for $600 anyone can contribute random code which will be used ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Re: [SLOBS] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements
Hi Caryl I totally agree. We should not require dues. We can ask for donations. While the story is confused, my understanding is that the funds which you described as 'carelessly disbursed' were from a grant and not from donations to Sugar Labs. Tony On 05/24/2016 08:40 AM, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi All…. Busy time for us so I haven't had a chance to chime in on the motion for "dues." I personally do not care to contribute any unearmarked funds to SugarLabs. I am not at all pleased at the way funds have been carelessly disbursed to a select few in the past and feel no need to send my good money off to be used in a similar fashion. Every year at tax time we enumerate our contributions in support of SugarLabs, and other sub-organizations, and I can assure you they are substantial They include such things as expenses to attend conferences, booth banners, printing costs for hand-outs etc. We reach hundreds of potential Sugar users and, occasionally, potential Sugar "contributors." Meanwhile, SugarLabs funds are freely distributed to others to cover their expenses to do similar things and other things that have far smaller "returns on investment." So, although I cannot vote on this (since I am not a member of SLOB), I do want to voice my opposition to this motion. I am not alone in this. I think if it passes you will lose many members who are strong supporters of Sugar and open source but feel, as I do, that SugarLabs is not the only way to do it. Put simply, they will "vote with their feet." I have no objection to contributing something "in kind" in lieu of dues… a new banner, some clever swag or the like to use in marketing Sugar and SugarLabs. But, dues… no thanks! Caryl From: d...@lab6.com Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 10:00:14 -0400 To: tony_ander...@usa.net CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Re: [SLOBS] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements Hi! On 23 May 2016 at 09:44, Tony Anderson> wrote: I am not aware of any method to donate money to Sugar Labs. I understand we need to make the donations to SFC and somehow have the money arrive in our funds. That's right. The #1 service for member projects listed at http://sfconservancy.org/members/services/ is: *Tax-Deductible, Earmarked Donations* Member projects can receive earmarked donations through Conservancy. Since Conservancy is a 501(c)(3) charity incorporated in New York, donors can often deduct the donation on their USA taxes. Additionally, the donors can indicate that their donation should be used to advance a specific member project, and those funds are kept in a separate account for the member project by Conservancy. This structure prevents developers from having to commingle project funds with their own personal accounts or having to set up their own project specific account. Since Conservancy is a tax-exempt organization, there are some limits that the law places on what member projects can do with their assets, but those limits are the same as if the project was an independent non-profit entity. Usually, the project leadership instructs Conservancy's leadership on how the project's funds are spent. Conservancy spends these funds on the project's behalf on any expenses that constitute appropriate activity under Conservancy's 501(c)(3) not-for-profit mission. Some typical uses of earmarked donations by Conservancy's member projects are: o funding travel expenses for project developers to attend relevant conferences. o domain name fees, bandwidth costs, and computer equipment purchases. o purchasing media for distribution of project software at conferences and events. o paying key developers on a contractual basis to improve the project's software and its documentation. o sponsoring and organizing conferences for the project. o trademark registration and enforcement. o FLOSS license enforcement and compliance activity. http://sfconservancy.org/donate/ says, *Donate to Our Member Projects* Finally, Conservancy also maintains directed donation programs for its member projects. Donation links for these directed donation programs are typically found on the individual websites of our members. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Donate says, Mail us a check Please make your check payable to: Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc. and place this note in the memo field: Directed donation: Sugar Labs Checks should then be mailed to: Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc. 137 MONTAGUE ST STE 380 Brooklyn, NY 11201-3548 USA This needs to be made very clear on the web site. Sure :) Please draft something for what
Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Re: [SLOBS] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements
Hi All…. Busy time for us so I haven't had a chance to chime in on the motion for "dues." I personally do not care to contribute any unearmarked funds to SugarLabs. I am not at all pleased at the way funds have been carelessly disbursed to a select few in the past and feel no need to send my good money off to be used in a similar fashion. Every year at tax time we enumerate our contributions in support of SugarLabs, and other sub-organizations, and I can assure you they are substantial They include such things as expenses to attend conferences, booth banners, printing costs for hand-outs etc. We reach hundreds of potential Sugar users and, occasionally, potential Sugar "contributors." Meanwhile, SugarLabs funds are freely distributed to others to cover their expenses to do similar things and other things that have far smaller "returns on investment." So, although I cannot vote on this (since I am not a member of SLOB), I do want to voice my opposition to this motion. I am not alone in this. I think if it passes you will lose many members who are strong supporters of Sugar and open source but feel, as I do, that SugarLabs is not the only way to do it. Put simply, they will "vote with their feet." I have no objection to contributing something "in kind" in lieu of dues… a new banner, some clever swag or the like to use in marketing Sugar and SugarLabs. But, dues… no thanks! Caryl From: d...@lab6.com Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 10:00:14 -0400 To: tony_ander...@usa.net CC: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Re: [SLOBS] Motion: Solicit Membership Donations + Public Statements Hi! On 23 May 2016 at 09:44, Tony Andersonwrote: I am not aware of any method to donate money to Sugar Labs. I understand we need to make the donations to SFC and somehow have the money arrive in our funds. That's right. The #1 service for member projects listed at http://sfconservancy.org/members/services/ is: Tax-Deductible, Earmarked Donations Member projects can receive earmarked donations through Conservancy. Since Conservancy is a 501(c)(3) charity incorporated in New York, donors can often deduct the donation on their USA taxes. Additionally, the donors can indicate that their donation should be used to advance a specific member project, and those funds are kept in a separate account for the member project by Conservancy. This structure prevents developers from having to commingle project funds with their own personal accounts or having to set up their own project specific account. Since Conservancy is a tax-exempt organization, there are some limits that the law places on what member projects can do with their assets, but those limits are the same as if the project was an independent non-profit entity. Usually, the project leadership instructs Conservancy's leadership on how the project's funds are spent. Conservancy spends these funds on the project's behalf on any expenses that constitute appropriate activity under Conservancy's 501(c)(3) not-for-profit mission. Some typical uses of earmarked donations by Conservancy's member projects are: funding travel expenses for project developers to attend relevant conferences.domain name fees, bandwidth costs, and computer equipment purchases.purchasing media for distribution of project software at conferences and events.paying key developers on a contractual basis to improve the project's software and its documentation.sponsoring and organizing conferences for the project.trademark registration and enforcement.FLOSS license enforcement and compliance activity. http://sfconservancy.org/donate/ says, Donate to Our Member Projects Finally, Conservancy also maintains directed donation programs for its member projects. Donation links for these directed donation programs are typically found on the individual websites of our members. https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Donate says, Mail us a checkPlease make your check payable to: Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc.and place this note in the memo field: Directed donation: Sugar LabsChecks should then be mailed to: Software Freedom Conservancy, Inc.137 MONTAGUE ST STE 380Brooklyn, NY 11201-3548USA This needs to be made very clear on the web site. Sure :) Please draft something for what you think should be on the website donation page :) I am not referring to 'lying', I am referring to asking the question. If it is a donation, a person can donate what they feel comfortable with. I don't understand your point :) -- Cheers Dave ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep