Re: IBM Educational Institutions
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IBM Educational Institutions
Below is the list of College level educational Institutions that IBM lists in it's "EnergiZed" magazine supplement. I assume that these are alphabetized. 1. Bauman Moscow S. T. U. Russia 2. Estacao Business School./Group Americas Brazil 3. Czech Tech. U/Czech Republic 4. Estrella Mountain Comm. College /USA 5. Fairleigh Dickinson U./USA 6. Georgian C. /Canada 7. Huazhong U of Science and Tech/China 8. Hogskolen I Oslo/U of Norway 9. Houston Community College/USA 10. ITESM-CEM/Mexico 11. King Mongkut's U of Technology Thonburi/Thailand 12. Marist College/USA* 13. N. C. Central U/USA 14. IL State U/USA 15. Leipzig U/Germany 16 Northern IL U/USA 17. Republic Polytech/Singapore 18. School of Software Engineering Tongji University/China 19. Stevens Ins. of Tech/USA 20. Ryerson University /Canada 21. Syracuse University/USA 22. U of Ark/USA 23. Universidade Metodista De Piracicaba/Brazil 24. West Texas A&M/USA 25. Widener U/USA 26. U of Palermo/Italy --- * the Asterisk is put there as I believe They host IBM-MAIN U = University State names were shortened to 2 or 3 letters abbreviations S = State T = Technical C = College == I have attempted to double check the spellings but cannot guarantee and please accept my apologies if I made any typo's. I copied this from an IBM magazine so if there are misspellings check the magazine (again I apologize). These are all System Z institutions (if I read it correctly) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BPXOINIT shutdown failure
I apologize for the lack of completeness: The only active address spaces were: DLF LLA VLF APPC JES2 OPSMAIN (CA OPS/MVS) I did cancel APPC but to no avail. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BPXOINIT shutdown failure
I always bring down after VTAM is down with a F BPXOINIT,SHUTDOWN=FORKINIT and have never had a problem. Michael Saraco Systems Consultant Baer Consulting, Inc. Work - 507-526-2566 Cell- 507-525-0530 From: Mark Yuhas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Date: 01/19/2008 10:09 PM Subject: BPXOINIT shutdown failure The following contains excerpts the SYSLOG from a shutdown from Saturday night, 1/19: F BPXOINIT,SHUTDOWN=FORKS BPXF024I (OMVSKERN) Jan 19 18:39:06 inetd 65542 : FOMN0066 inetd 368 terminating BPXI032E FORK SERVICE HAS BEEN SHUTDOWN SUCCESSFULLY. 370 ISSUE F BPXOINIT,RESTART=FORKS TO RESTART FORK SERVICE. IEF404I BPXAS - ENDED - TIME=18.39.09 IEF404I BPXAS - ENDED - TIME=18.39.09 BPXM036I BPXAS INITIATORS SHUTDOWN. IEF404I BPXAS - ENDED - TIME=18.39.09 /HASP395 BPXASENDED /HASP395 BPXASENDED /HASP395 BPXASENDED After a few minutes, the following PID was still active. D OMVS,ASID=ALL BPXO040I 18.41.50 DISPLAY OMVS 454 OMVS 000E FORK SHUTDOWN OMVS=(00,FS) USER JOBNAME ASIDPID PPID STATE START CT_SECS OMVSKERN BPXOINIT 002A 1 0 MRI--- 18.15.4059.041 LATCHWAITPID= 0 CMD=BPXPINPR SERVER=Init Process AF=0 MF=0 TYPE=FILE What do I do now to end BPXOINIT? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
BPXOINIT shutdown failure
The following contains excerpts the SYSLOG from a shutdown from Saturday night, 1/19: F BPXOINIT,SHUTDOWN=FORKS BPXF024I (OMVSKERN) Jan 19 18:39:06 inetd 65542 : FOMN0066 inetd 368 terminating BPXI032E FORK SERVICE HAS BEEN SHUTDOWN SUCCESSFULLY. 370 ISSUE F BPXOINIT,RESTART=FORKS TO RESTART FORK SERVICE. IEF404I BPXAS - ENDED - TIME=18.39.09 IEF404I BPXAS - ENDED - TIME=18.39.09 BPXM036I BPXAS INITIATORS SHUTDOWN. IEF404I BPXAS - ENDED - TIME=18.39.09 /HASP395 BPXASENDED /HASP395 BPXASENDED /HASP395 BPXASENDED After a few minutes, the following PID was still active. D OMVS,ASID=ALL BPXO040I 18.41.50 DISPLAY OMVS 454 OMVS 000E FORK SHUTDOWN OMVS=(00,FS) USER JOBNAME ASIDPID PPID STATE START CT_SECS OMVSKERN BPXOINIT 002A 1 0 MRI--- 18.15.4059.041 LATCHWAITPID= 0 CMD=BPXPINPR SERVER=Init Process AF=0 MF=0 TYPE=FILE What do I do now to end BPXOINIT? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rexx IRXIC and IRXEXEC question
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:04:03 -0600, Paul Gilmartin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:15:31 -0600, Tony Harminc wrote: >> >>Then you write a REXX command environment handler (call it LINDYTSO or >>something, or even TSO if you want to be confusing; you can even make it the >>default), ATTACH each TSO command passing it a CPPL that you have set up, >>WAIT for it, and DETACH it. You have reinvented the TMP, sort of. IBM used >>to document how to write your own TMP, but withdrew (made OCO) the >>information needed in the 1980s. After all, why would any customer want to >>write their own replacement for IBM's fine IKJEFT01? >> >z/OS did much of this for us (including "TSO if you want to be confusing") >at v1r4: > >http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/BPXZB630/CHANGES Well, yes - this is BPXWRxxx. But it uses something like the second approach that I suggested: it fires up a real TMP in another address space, and sends the command(s) to that. Whether it uses standard UNIX pipes, I don't know, but that sounds like a Bill Schoenish thing to do. >It works for most authorized commands. But the TSO terminal interaction >design restrictions persist. For example, I have been unable to get >RECEIVE to work in that environment, presumably because of the DSN >prompt that must be answered. Can anyone else solve this? I imagine it's more a case of running a batch TMP. You should be able to send and receive command input and output, but I would guess that a command trying to prompt would get a nasty RC from GETLINE or PUTGET, and give up. One could probably catch the TGET/TPUT using SVC Screening in an initial jobstep task before invoking the TMP, but even then there would probably be some pretty ugly fiddling needed to make the TMP believe there was a terminal attached. Lindy's initial question was about the possibility of building a full screen REXX debugger by (among other things) replacing the REXX I/O routines. I imagine the UNIX REXX environment has already used the replaceable I/O routine addresses, so you would have to steal them (probably after initializing the UNIX REXX environment), and hope that there isn't too much checking going on in the UNIX REXX interface. This is all just another example of IBM's OCO madness taken to extremes. Not only is the code itself hidden from customers who might want to understand how it works, or fix or improve it, but the very design of TSO/E and its REXX interface is hidden, so that implementing such reasonable things as you and Lindy would like to do is made extremely difficult. People like Bill Schoen have, to their credit, done as much as possible to work around the nonsense without breaking the rules, with the Tools & Toys packages and such, and getting UNIX REXX into base z/OS is a great achievement. But even that code is OCO. IBM has in the past Open Sourced some previously OCO code like the OS/2 JFS, and OO REXX, presumably because they became unsaleable. Maybe it's time to Open Source TSO/E... Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CFW with Syncsort
Here's the answer to the first half of your question. Disk write operations using CFW (Cache Fast Write) are written into cache but not to the disk. Having CFW operations in progress at the time a HyperSwap occurs can yield unpredictable results since there is no corresponding mirrored cache content in the secondary disk subsystem. I don't know enough about NVS to comment. Perhaps, others will be so kind as to enlighten us. Terry Traylor charlesSCHWAB TIS Mainframe Storage Management Remedy Queue: tis-hs-mstg (602) 977-5154 WARNING: All email sent to or from this address will be received by the Charles Schwab corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Hawkins Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 7:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CFW with Syncsort John, I have been told that CFW must be turned off for Hyperswap, but I never understood why. You say that CFW must be written to disk for Hyperswap, but why can all the other writes still be deferred in cache/NVS? Ron > > Hyperswap would be one of those circumstances were you would also want > the > I/O to be written to the disk. In that case you must ensure that CFW is > not > being used. > > John > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CFW with Syncsort
John, I have been told that CFW must be turned off for Hyperswap, but I never understood why. You say that CFW must be written to disk for Hyperswap, but why can all the other writes still be deferred in cache/NVS? Ron > > Hyperswap would be one of those circumstances were you would also want > the > I/O to be written to the disk. In that case you must ensure that CFW is > not > being used. > > John > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LPAR Rename
Al Sherkow said: > I think RMF/SMF70-1 will only have 'activated' LPARs regardless > of being IPL'd or type of LPAR (MVS, IFL, Coupling Facility). I'm afraid that's not right: Inactive partitions show up in the LPAR sections but as having zero engines and zero memory. (I see them in raw SMF and in the RMF CPU Activity report. Today I don't process the sections for inactive LPARs and I'm beginning to think I should - for completeness or awareness of what the customer is doing with the machine. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer Performance Consultant IBM United Kingdom Ltd +44-20-8832-5167 +44-7802-245-584 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CFW with Syncsort
> Yes, SyncSort does use CFW. I wrote the code myself in a previous life, > 17 or so years ago. However, IIRC, there may be circumstances where it is > turned off due to other performance considerations. Check with SyncSort's > Customer Service if you need to know when, if ever these days. > >Hi all, hopefully an easy one here. > > > >Can anyone confirm whether or not Syncsort uses CFW? I know DF/Sort does > >but I'm not sure about Sync. Hyperswap would be one of those circumstances were you would also want the I/O to be written to the disk. In that case you must ensure that CFW is not being used. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rexx IRXIC and IRXEXEC question
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:15:31 -0600, Tony Harminc wrote: > >Then you write a REXX command environment handler (call it LINDYTSO or >something, or even TSO if you want to be confusing; you can even make it the >default), ATTACH each TSO command passing it a CPPL that you have set up, >WAIT for it, and DETACH it. You have reinvented the TMP, sort of. IBM used >to document how to write your own TMP, but withdrew (made OCO) the >information needed in the 1980s. After all, why would any customer want to >write their own replacement for IBM's fine IKJEFT01? > z/OS did much of this for us (including "TSO if you want to be confusing") at v1r4: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/BPXZB630/CHANGES Summary of changes for SA22-7806-03 z/OS Version 1 Release 4 * Support for a TSO host command environment that permits a REXX program to run TSO/E commands. >Anyway - this works for most unauthorized commands, but to run APF auth >commands requires a certain gung-ho attitude that may not be appreciated by >all your colleagues sharing the same system. > It works for most authorized commands. But the TSO terminal interaction design restrictions persist. For example, I have been unable to get RECEIVE to work in that environment, presumably because of the DSN prompt that must be answered. Can anyone else solve this? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LPAR Rename
Besides the HCD manuals this is also described in the various hardware redbooks like: "IBM System z9 Business Class Technical Introduction". I think RMF/SMF70-1 will only have 'activated' LPARs regardless of being IPL'd or type of LPAR (MVS, IFL, Coupling Facility). So '*' can be a place holder, but not activated. Al Sherkow -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LPAR Rename
Mark Zelden said: > It's available with a z990 and z/OS 1.6 or above. But you have to plan. > It involves defining an LPAR with a name of "*" as a placeholder. As a matter of interest what should RMF be expected to call this LPAR? I've seen lots of SMF data from customers and have an especial interest in Type 70 Subtype 1. And I've never seen one with an LPAR name of "*". Thanks, Martin Martin Packer Performance Consultant IBM United Kingdom Ltd +44-20-8832-5167 +44-7802-245-584 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Flash memory arrays
-- I saw a 1TB for $300 and heard about the same for under $300 at Walmart (unconfirmed). Ed ps: They have a Fry's here in the Chicago Suburbs and everybody I have talked to says that they will avoid it for anyplace else (including me). - I'm within about 15 minutes of Fry's, MicroCenter and CompUSA; each outlet has strengths and weaknesses. If you go to Fry's, here in Downers Grove, you better know exactly what you want, because most of the "children" on the sales staff know just enough about a computer to turn it on, and tell the difference between a keyboard and a mouse. And even that is considered "Highly Trained". :-)) The same holds true of the other two I mentioned. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Dataset Audit Facility (DAF) 1.4.8 is Available for Testing (updated)
Greetings, A few things have been fixed in the 1.4.8 level of DAF which is available for testing at: http://www.geocities.com/michaeljosephcleary/ Recent Fixes include: Corrected assembly error when RACF not available Add code to ignore OA23594 and OA23624 bad data Change RT_RACFAUD/INI/PRO into RT_RACF Numerous other minor fixes Please report anything that looks strange such as: - DAF613I for unknown data - Abends - Error messages - Incorrect output - DAFSNAP output - Anything not doing what you think it should Also, feel free to send me any ideas for enhancements or improvesments. As a reminder, if assembling on z/OS 1.9, APAR OA22304 is needed or the asembly will fail with: Assembly error in ERBR742 Macro ASMA043E Previously defined symbol - R742MACT Cheers... Michael Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: I want to add virtual printer to my MFNetDisk, Any value?
1. In today market, what MVS sites use for printing? TCP printers or MF local attach printers? -- We used Siemens Page Printer's for high-volume printing. (300+ pages/minute) for large reports, etc. Low-volume stuff went to various IP connected printers around the office space. A few reports were sent directly to customers, via Internet, for local printing at their site. - 2. I think the printers are not like disks. They can not have complicate CCWs, So I think if someone will give me GTFTRACE of Vary online,offline console command to local printer, and a small printing CCWs that will give me good start. -- Much of that depends on what printers you're emulating. 1403 and 3211 printers don't require any special CCW's to vary online or offline, and the CCW chains were, in general, fairly straightforward. They do send back a standard Device End indication when they come ready. I can't speak for all the various Laser printers, like the old 3800 and 3900 series. IIRC, the hardware docs give some sample channel programs for illustration purposes. If I can find my hardware CD, I'll extract what manuals might be useful and shoot them to you privately. --- 3. I am sure that UCS and FCB are open to everyone, because user need to know how he can control his printing. - I've certainly never found any reason NOT to share this information. I created a reference book of all of our UCS, character set and FCB information just so the staff could check it out and pick what they liked. (Within reason; we were not going to buy a new printer train just because one programmer thought it was "cool"; those trains were rather expensive.) Check out the contents of SYS1.IMAGELIB and the doc for IEBIMAGE. --- 4. What is the famous local MVS printer in the market? --- That's rather like asking "how high is up?" Every shop's printing needs are unique. Since you're emulating, I'd suggest you start with something like a 3211. The biggest advantage in the laser printer genre is the variety of character sets and print formats (IMHO). Once you get the basic code figured out for the 3211, then you can go forward and add the basic laser printer. YMMV. - 5. Still I am not sure if emulate local printer in MF is added value to sites. --- Can't offer any advice or suggestions here. --- 6. Someone mention viruses and worms, The PC with its local printer will not be open to internet XXX movie, I hope. - Always a concern, but I'm not sure how strong that concern should be. Up to you and your customers to make that evaluation. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: I want to add virtual printer to my MFNetDisk, Any value?
Shai, Have you looked at the ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA)? When I work from home or when my desk is far away from a mainframe printer, I frequently use the WSA to send mainframe files to my local PC printer. I just set the printer destination to 'PC', and then use function 'P' to select the files I want to print. Bingo, they automagically print at my local PC printer. Part of this process (e.g. setting the printer destination to PC) is made easier for me because I use SimpList, but anyone who has the WSA installed and doesn't use SimpList could easily code something for themselves to send their mainframe files to a PC printer. I use the process to print regular text files such as JCL and source members (etc). I can specify various options such as the number of copies to print and an optional line and column range and whether long lines should wrap or be truncated (etc), but after that it's just a straight print with no additional 'formatting' for carriage control characters or anything like that. Is this what you're trying to add? Dave Salt See the new SimpList(tm) rollover image at:http://www.mackinney.com/products/SIM/simplist.htm > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:04:40 -0800> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: I want to add virtual printer to my MFNetDisk, Any value?> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU> > HI,> > > Few questions:> > 1. In today market, what MVS sites use for printing? TCP printers or MF> local attach printers?> > 2. I think the printers are not like disks. They can not have complicate> CCWs, So I think if someone will give me GTFTRACE of> Vary online,offline console command to local printer, and a small> printing CCWs that will give me good start.> > 3. I am sure that UCS and FCB are open to everyone, because user need to> know how he can control his printing.> > 4. What is the famous local MVS printer in the market?> > 5. Still I am not sure if emulate local printer in MF is added value to> sites.> > 6. Someone mention viruses and worms, The PC with its local printer will not> be open to internet XXX movie, I hope.> > > Thanks,> Shai> > > On 1/18/08, Rick Fochtman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > -> >> > > The desired character is the CCW command code, with a normal CCW 0> > > format (code/address/flags/length). Many printers also used FCB and> > > UCS load commands, but I couldn't find a decent source for those (and> > > they're device and model dependent). By default a channel 1 skip is> > > top of page eject; channels 9 and 12 were used by some installations> > > at or near the bottom of the page. Usage of channels other than 1 is> > > highly idiosyncratic; the only rule is to have at least one definition> > > for each channel to avoid printer runaway.> >> > > > You can find SOME UCS and FCB information in the documentation for the> > IEBIMAGE utility.> >> > --> > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,> > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO> > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html> >> > --> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,> send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO> Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Re-hosting IMB-MAIN (was RE: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay)
If UA is trying to get rid of IBM-Main then yes, we should help find another home for it, and a z platform would be worth looking at. Otherwise, let's not rock the boat. -- Best idea I've heard yet. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: New Mainframes coming in February
- The announcement in February is scarcely news. I predicted 'late 2007 or early 2008' back in June 2005 ( http://www.isham-research.co.uk/mainframe_2008.html ) and the dates have only firmed up since then. Shipment in 1Q is a mild surprise - I was expecting April. Whilst I happily accept the overall performance claims, I'll be interested to see variations between workloads. The LSPR guys have likely been having a fun time. And it's the small ones that will really be interesting. Let's see what the physical granularity is like. -- I'd also be interested in the pricing as well. Just as a matter of curiosity. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay
My question is: If you have two z890s, A with 1 CP and 1 IFL and B with 2 IFL, then in a disaster where A is under a pile of rubble, can you get IBM to turn on a CP and an IFL in B and still pay the same price for z/OS & z/VM? /Tom Kern On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:09:16 +0900, Timothy Sipples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>If I recall from the marketing, you only 'buy' an IFL once and when you >>upgrade your IFL's are already paid for. >>Now if I can pick up this 2 IFL box for $10-20K can I just have IBM turn >>on 2 IFL's on my z990 and just trash the z890? > >No, I don't think so. You will then own two z890 IFLs. BUT, whenever you're >ready to upgrade/consolidate to z9 or beyond, things may get more >interesting. > >- - - - - >Timothy Sipples >IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect >Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z >Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific >E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
New Mainframes coming in February
The announcement in February is scarcely news. I predicted 'late 2007 or early 2008' back in June 2005 ( http://www.isham-research.co.uk/mainframe_2008.html ) and the dates have only firmed up since then. Shipment in 1Q is a mild surprise - I was expecting April. Whilst I happily accept the overall performance claims, I'll be interested to see variations between workloads. The LSPR guys have likely been having a fun time. And it's the small ones that will really be interesting. Let's see what the physical granularity is like. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay
I wonder why people get excited about z890 on eBay. Second hand equipment is widely available, although not on aBay. The prices for z/8xx are reasonably low, I heard about $10k for z/800 with CPs. You can run any system on it, including z/OS. Also, you can buy DASD boxes, sometimes for peanuts. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2007 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci opacony) wynosi 118.064.140 z. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchwa XVI WZ z dnia 21.05.2003 r., kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 118.760.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z890 2086-160 w/ 2 IFLs on eBay
>If I recall from the marketing, you only 'buy' an IFL once and when you >upgrade your IFL's are already paid for. >Now if I can pick up this 2 IFL box for $10-20K can I just have IBM turn >on 2 IFL's on my z990 and just trash the z890? No, I don't think so. You will then own two z890 IFLs. BUT, whenever you're ready to upgrade/consolidate to z9 or beyond, things may get more interesting. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
