Re: Security is fun in the PC world....
On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:27:08 -0400 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: or even computer science back then, There were CS departments in the late 1960's. But they weren't all offering degrees - even into the 70's. I had to do a Science degree majoring in Applied Mathematics and Computer Science at Adelaide - at the time considered one of the top tier unis in this country. I meandered through the grounds a few months back - CompSci looked scarily similar. I suspect (pray) the CDC 6400 has however moved on. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Cryptography Processor
Hi, Is cryptography processor a big reason for not allowing the virus to be active in Mainframe servers ? I even understand that any program which has the capability of executing and exploiting any datasets could also be one form of virus where Racf plays a vital in restricting all the sensitive datasets. Can anyone please enlighten me the why still virus was never a big threat to mainframe PC ? I apologize if my question is not clear or it requires some more information and I am trying to google more about it but i am unable to get a precise explanation about Virus on Z/os. Please direct me to manual or URL where I can get some information about this. Regards, Jags -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Dashboard type software for monitoring z/OS
I had an idea but I didn't perform\test it yet to perform a Monitor which is basically HTML page on you z/os HTTP server which is being update accordingly. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Timothy Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com wrote: Elardus Engelbrecht writes: It is meant to be used by management and call centre staff. and then writes this: Are these STC, JES2, TCP/IP, etc. hearts beating and running? Bear in mind management and call centre staff typically don't know what JES2 is. (A few do, but most don't.) So that part of your question is probably going to send some people off into interesting directions, because there are so many options for monitoring particular subsystems, or collections of subsystems. I'm guessing the audience for the dashboards is the most important part of your question. Thus I would take a very close look at Tivoli Business Service Manager (TBSM): http://www.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/bus-service-mgr-zos/ TBSM (as the name suggests) is really useful for delivering a complete business service-level view of operations, exactly what managers and call centre staff are looking for. (Sure, you can drill down into detail if you want.) TBSM can provide an end-to-end view, spanning platforms. It's real-time. Great stuff. Timothy Sipples Resident Enterprise Architect (Based in Singapore) E-Mail: timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- best regards, matan cohen MF System Administrator. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Cryptography Processor
W dniu 2011-08-23 10:20, jagadishan perumal pisze: Hi, Is cryptography processor a big reason for not allowing the virus to be active in Mainframe servers ? I even understand that any program which has the capability of executing and exploiting any datasets could also be one form of virus where Racf plays a vital in restricting all the sensitive datasets. Can anyone please enlighten me the why still virus was never a big threat to mainframe PC ? I apologize if my question is not clear or it requires some more information and I am trying to google more about it but i am unable to get a precise explanation about Virus on Z/os. Please direct me to manual or URL where I can get some information about this. Indeed, the question is not clear. However I'll try to answer ;-) Cyrptographic processor has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with virus resiliency. 1. The same cryptographic HW is available on PC. (Note: I mean crypto cards, not CPACF). Crypto card contains one or two PC cards with PCI, PCI-X or PCIe interface. Is the PC with the card any less susceptible to virus? 2. There are viruses working on Linux. So, IMHO it's quite possible to have such a virus on Linux on z/Machine. 3. There were no virus on z/OS (see note 1), but it does not depend on Crypto HW availability. In the past (9672) you could have machine without any crypto HW available (CCF was optional) and there were still no virus. 4. Disputable IMHO RACF has no major role in virus resiliency. RACF controls access to legal resources, it's like lock in the door. Virus usually don't use the doors, it uses its own illegal doors. Windows do have some access control, user rights, restrictions ...and viruses do bypass it. Note 1: Theoretically one could run OS/390 or z/OS under Hercules or other emulator on a PC with virus in the PC's OS (more likely Windows, less likely Linux). Such a virus could affect the z/OS stability (in fact emulated machine stability) or destroy some z/OS data (i.e. delete files containing z/OS volumes). ;-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2011 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.346.696 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: degaussed tapes
On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:50:06 -0400, Crabtree, Anne D anne.d.crabt...@wv.gov wrote: We have a degausser (really old) and I don't know the name, model, etc. The objective is to destroy data so that it cannot be read and, no, tapes are not to be reused. This is a security measure since the data that was on them was sensitive. Physically shred the tape and cartridge. There are shredders (much like paper shredders, only bigger and -- much -- stronger) that can do this. Cheers, Jantje. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNC vs LINK
But bascally they perform the same functions Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:35:06 -0400 Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net wrote: :Would any one the difference between the the SYNCH LINK. Macros both :transfer control and seem to syncrounous execution of code and create :an RB SYNC is to address. LINK is to name. -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Cryptography Processor
On 08/23/11 04:20, jagadishan perumal wrote: Hi, Is cryptography processor a big reason for not allowing the virus to be active in Mainframe servers ? I even understand that any program which has the capability of executing and exploiting any datasets could also be one form of virus where Racf plays a vital in restricting all the sensitive datasets. Can anyone please enlighten me the why still virus was never a big threat to mainframe PC ? I apologize if my question is not clear or it requires some more information and I am trying to google more about it but i am unable to get a precise explanation about Virus on Z/os. Please direct me to manual or URL where I can get some information about this. Regards, Jags Take a look at IBM's z/OS Statement of Integrity. http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/features/racf/zos_integrity_statement.html -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL Some people are electrifying, they light up a room when they leave. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNC vs LINK
Does that mean sync doesn't have to be associated with a CDE Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:35:06 -0400 Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net wrote: :Would any one the difference between the the SYNCH LINK. Macros both :transfer control and seem to syncrounous execution of code and create :an RB SYNC is to address. LINK is to name. -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Dashboard type software for monitoring z/OS
That's essentially what we did for the missing task list when we built our Mainframe performance dashboard. Most of the data comes off from the RMF Distributed Data Server, but for missing tasks, automation periodically runs through the list of active tasks and updates an XML file with what's missing on each system. The dashboard polls those XML files. And idea that I've had but not looked into is to use the REXX SDSF support to pick up on Health Checker alerts and push them out to an XML file as well that would be picked up by the dashboard. So we could leverage the existing IBM HC alerts, and add our own in that standard facility and just consolidate them in a different interface. Should be fairly simple to implement, but my work on the next version of our dashboard has been pushed back by more pressing matters. Scott Chapman I had an idea but I didn't perform\test it yet to perform a Monitor which is basically HTML page on you z/os HTTP server which is being update accordingly. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Cryptography Processor
Hi, with code signing, you can apply a signature to your programs. Compare chapter 10 of RACF Security Admin Guide. The signature is invalidated by any kind of modification to the program (e.g. by a virus). A program is rejected from being loaded in case an invalid signature is found. Cryptographic hardware helps you to manage your certificates used for the signature and it is said to check the validity somewhat faster than the CP. But crypto hardware should not be prerequisite to enable program signing. Cheers Michael Von:jagadishan perumal jagadish...@gmail.com An: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Datum: 2011-08-23 10:24 Betreff:Cryptography Processor Gesendet von: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Hi, Is cryptography processor a big reason for not allowing the virus to be active in Mainframe servers ? I even understand that any program which has the capability of executing and exploiting any datasets could also be one form of virus where Racf plays a vital in restricting all the sensitive datasets. Can anyone please enlighten me the why still virus was never a big threat to mainframe PC ? I apologize if my question is not clear or it requires some more information and I am trying to google more about it but i am unable to get a precise explanation about Virus on Z/os. Please direct me to manual or URL where I can get some information about this. Regards, Jags -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Dashboard type software for monitoring z/OS
If you have Netview, Control-O or any other automation product, you can capture start and stop messages (IEF695I/$hasp395) and send it via ip to your desktop application. ITschak On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Scott Chapman sachap...@aep.com wrote: That's essentially what we did for the missing task list when we built our Mainframe performance dashboard. Most of the data comes off from the RMF Distributed Data Server, but for missing tasks, automation periodically runs through the list of active tasks and updates an XML file with what's missing on each system. The dashboard polls those XML files. And idea that I've had but not looked into is to use the REXX SDSF support to pick up on Health Checker alerts and push them out to an XML file as well that would be picked up by the dashboard. So we could leverage the existing IBM HC alerts, and add our own in that standard facility and just consolidate them in a different interface. Should be fairly simple to implement, but my work on the next version of our dashboard has been pushed back by more pressing matters. Scott Chapman I had an idea but I didn't perform\test it yet to perform a Monitor which is basically HTML page on you z/os HTTP server which is being update accordingly. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNC vs LINK
Micheal: Yes, as I recall, SYNC (SVC 12) was designed to invoke exit routines on behalf of system routines (like OPEN, CLOSE, etc.), and therefore calls on the program by its address (found in some exit list or exit pointer), whereas LINK (SVC 6) calls out a program by name (as Binyamin says) and was intended for calling separately compiled program subroutines, which would have a CDE (either created by the LOAD or LINK SVC routine). Mike Myers Mentor Services Corporation On 08/23/2011 07:03 AM, Micheal Butz wrote: Does that mean sync doesn't have to be associated with a CDE Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:35:06 -0400 Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net wrote: :Would any one the difference between the the SYNCH LINK. Macros both :transfer control and seem to syncrounous execution of code and create :an RB SYNC is to address. LINK is to name. -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
CEE0813S Insufficient Storage
All list, I am running a job and I am getting the following message. CEE0813S Insufficient storage was available to satisfy a get storage (CEECZST) request. The traceback information could not be determined. It increased the region and failed. Can anyone help me? Thanks -- Hélio -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: degaussed tapes
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jan MOEYERSONS On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:50:06 -0400, Crabtree, Anne D anne.d.crabt...@wv.gov wrote: We have a degausser (really old) and I don't know the name, model, etc. The objective is to destroy data so that it cannot be read and, no, tapes are not to be reused. This is a security measure since the data that was on them was sensitive. Physically shred the tape and cartridge. There are shredders (much like paper shredders, only bigger and -- much -- stronger) that can do this. Indeed! http://www.ssiworld.com/watch/ -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CEE0813S Insufficient Storage
I am running a job and I am getting the following message. CEE0813S Insufficient storage was available to satisfy a get storage (CEECZST) request. The traceback information could not be determined. It increased the region and failed. Can anyone help me? Helio, Please provide more detail. Have you increased the region size on your job? What is it set at? Some programs may require REGION=0M or REGION=125M, it depends on what it is doing? 1) What version of z/OS? 2) Is this a cobol, pl/1 or other program? 3) Does it use INSPECT, UPPER CASE/LOWER Case function, etc??? 4) What does it do? 5) Have you Googled CEE0813S? Did anything make sense? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Security is fun in the PC world....
On 23/08/2011 4:04 PM, Shane wrote: On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:27:08 -0400 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: or even computer science back then, There were CS departments in the late 1960's. But they weren't all offering degrees - even into the 70's. I had to do a Science degree majoring in Applied Mathematics and Computer Science at Adelaide - at the time considered one of the top tier unis in this country. I meandered through the grounds a few months back - CompSci looked scarily similar. I suspect (pray) the CDC 6400 has however moved on. Wow! At least UWA could afford a PDP-11 ;-) Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Post install JOB HBBN700G in Z/OS 1.12 ended with error code
Post install JOB HBBN700G in Z/OS 1.12 ServerPac orders having Z/OSMF product ended with the following error codeIEF142I IBMUSERZ *OMVSEX - STEP WAS EXECUTED - COND CODE 0008 IEF373I STEP/*OMVSEX /START 2011235.1425 IEF032I STEP/*OMVSEX /STOP 2011235.1435 CPU: 0 HR 00 MIN 00.01 SEC SRB: 0 HR 00 MIN 00.00 SEC VIRT: 56K SYS: 260K EXT: 492K SYS: 12148K IEF236I ALLOC. FOR IBMUSERZ ÖNOTOK IEF237I BB09 ALLOCATED TO JOBLIB IEF142I IBMUSERZ ÖNOTOK - STEP WAS EXECUTED - COND CODE 4095 I looked WASOEM_082311_092520.log , and WASOEM_082311_092520.log-wascfg.log found the followings: INSTCONFFAILED: The profile could not be created. For more information, consult the /zWebSphereOEM/V7R0/config1/AppServer/logs/manageprofiles/default_create.log file. BBN3013E: Error encountered during profile creation. BBN0031E:Could not create profile. BBNE:Processing has halted. I looked the default_create.log file and but did not find anything meaningful. Is there experiencing the same problem before? Iyi calismalar, Saygilar / Regards Kayhan Tanriverir Vizyon BT Uzman Sistem Programcisi / Senior Systems Programmer -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNC vs LINK
Does sync create a SVRB ( for the SVC only) and no RB or PRB for the program Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Mike Myers m...@mentor-services.com wrote: Micheal: Yes, as I recall, SYNC (SVC 12) was designed to invoke exit routines on behalf of system routines (like OPEN, CLOSE, etc.), and therefore calls on the program by its address (found in some exit list or exit pointer), whereas LINK (SVC 6) calls out a program by name (as Binyamin says) and was intended for calling separately compiled program subroutines, which would have a CDE (either created by the LOAD or LINK SVC routine). Mike Myers Mentor Services Corporation On 08/23/2011 07:03 AM, Micheal Butz wrote: Does that mean sync doesn't have to be associated with a CDE Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:35:06 -0400 Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net wrote: :Would any one the difference between the the SYNCH LINK. Macros both :transfer control and seem to syncrounous execution of code and create :an RB SYNC is to address. LINK is to name. -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. --- --- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html --- --- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
CEE0813S Insufficient Storage
All list, I am running a job and I am getting the following message. CEE0813S Insufficient storage was available to satisfy a get storage (CEECZST) request. The traceback information could not be determined. It increased the region and failed. Can anyone help me? Thanks -- Hélio -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Cryptography Processor
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Michael Klaeschen michael.klaesc...@deutscherring.de wrote: with code signing, you can apply a signature to your programs. Compare chapter 10 of RACF Security Admin Guide. The signature is invalidated by any kind of modification to the program (e.g. by a virus). A program is rejected from being loaded in case an invalid signature is found. Cryptographic hardware helps you to manage your certificates used for the signature and it is said to check the validity somewhat faster than the CP. But crypto hardware should not be prerequisite to enable program signing. Sure, but what Radoslaw said is really the answer: No. -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNC vs LINK
Micheal: SYNC creates a PRB for the exit (program sync'd to) to run under. SYNC itself runs under an SVRB. Imagine a sequence where a problem program issues an OPEN and has identified an OPEN exit program. The RB queue (which is a push-down stack) will look like this when the exit is running: PRB for the exit program SVRB for SYNC, which invoked the exit program SVRB for OPEN, which issued SYNC PRB for the problem program that issues OPEN Mike Myers Mentor Services Corporation Micheal: Yes, as I recall, SYNC (SVC 12) was designed to invoke exit routines on behalf of system routines (like OPEN, CLOSE, etc.), and therefore calls on the program by its address (found in some exit list or exit pointer), whereas LINK (SVC 6) calls out a program by name (as Binyamin says) and was intended for calling separately compiled program subroutines, which would have a CDE (either created by the LOAD or LINK SVC routine). Mike Myers Mentor Services Corporation On 08/23/2011 07:03 AM, Micheal Butz wrote: Does that mean sync doesn't have to be associated with a CDE Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:35:06 -0400 Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net wrote: :Would any one the difference between the the SYNCH LINK. Macros both :transfer control and seem to syncrounous execution of code and create :an RB SYNC is to address. LINK is to name. -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Dashboard type software for monitoring z/OS
Are there any monitoring tools that can show the complete transaction life history through, for example, a zLinux WAS server into z/OS CICS/DB2/IMS etc. There seems to be a boundary where the two worlds are quite separate as far as instrumentation data. I attended to a CIM session at SHARE and it appears to be a good framework but light on substance. On 23/08/2011 7:42 PM, Itschak Mugzach wrote: If you have Netview, Control-O or any other automation product, you can capture start and stop messages (IEF695I/$hasp395) and send it via ip to your desktop application. ITschak On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Scott Chapmansachap...@aep.com wrote: That's essentially what we did for the missing task list when we built our Mainframe performance dashboard. Most of the data comes off from the RMF Distributed Data Server, but for missing tasks, automation periodically runs through the list of active tasks and updates an XML file with what's missing on each system. The dashboard polls those XML files. And idea that I've had but not looked into is to use the REXX SDSF support to pick up on Health Checker alerts and push them out to an XML file as well that would be picked up by the dashboard. So we could leverage the existing IBM HC alerts, and add our own in that standard facility and just consolidate them in a different interface. Should be fairly simple to implement, but my work on the next version of our dashboard has been pushed back by more pressing matters. Scott Chapman I had an idea but I didn't perform\test it yet to perform a Monitor which is basically HTML page on you z/os HTTP server which is being update accordingly. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Dashboard type software for monitoring z/OS
CA Wily or IBM ITCAM may help. Regards Lim ML On 23/08/11 9:19 PM, David Crayford wrote: Are there any monitoring tools that can show the complete transaction life history through, for example, a zLinux WAS server into z/OS CICS/DB2/IMS etc. There seems to be a boundary where the two worlds are quite separate as far as instrumentation data. I attended to a CIM session at SHARE and it appears to be a good framework but light on substance. On 23/08/2011 7:42 PM, Itschak Mugzach wrote: If you have Netview, Control-O or any other automation product, you can capture start and stop messages (IEF695I/$hasp395) and send it via ip to your desktop application. ITschak On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Scott Chapmansachap...@aep.com wrote: That's essentially what we did for the missing task list when we built our Mainframe performance dashboard. Most of the data comes off from the RMF Distributed Data Server, but for missing tasks, automation periodically runs through the list of active tasks and updates an XML file with what's missing on each system. The dashboard polls those XML files. And idea that I've had but not looked into is to use the REXX SDSF support to pick up on Health Checker alerts and push them out to an XML file as well that would be picked up by the dashboard. So we could leverage the existing IBM HC alerts, and add our own in that standard facility and just consolidate them in a different interface. Should be fairly simple to implement, but my work on the next version of our dashboard has been pushed back by more pressing matters. Scott Chapman I had an idea but I didn't perform\test it yet to perform a Monitor which is basically HTML page on you z/os HTTP server which is being update accordingly. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FW: CEE0813S Insufficient Storage
Lizette, 1)The version z/OS 1.7 2)The program is Cobol 3)It don't use inspect upper case/lower.. 4)It reads some tables DB2 and add data to a single table. The program does merge some table DB2. 5) yes I increased the region 0M, 32M, 64M and after your e-mail I use 125M and failed. Em 23/08/2011 10:11, Lizette Koehler escreveu: -Original Message- From: Lizette Koehler [mailto:stars...@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:23 AM To: 'IBM Mainframe Discussion List' Subject: RE: CEE0813S Insufficient Storage I am running a job and I am getting the following message. CEE0813S Insufficient storage was available to satisfy a get storage (CEECZST) request. The traceback information could not be determined. It increased the region and failed. Can anyone help me? Helio, Please provide more detail. Have you increased the region size on your job? What is it set at? Some programs may require REGION=0M or REGION=125M, it depends on what it is doing? 1) What version of z/OS? 2) Is this a cobol, pl/1 or other program? 3) Does it use INSPECT, UPPER CASE/LOWER Case function, etc??? 4) What does it do? 5) Have you Googled CEE0813S? Did anything make sense? Lizette -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FW: CEE0813S Insufficient Storage
Did you see this when googling? https://www-304.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21002585 It talks about running out of below the line storage... Anne D. Crabtree System Programmer WV Office of Technology Data Center 1900 Kanawha Blvd East Charleston, WV 25305 (304)558-5914 ext 58292 (304)558-1441 fax -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of HELIO Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: FW: CEE0813S Insufficient Storage Lizette, 1)The version z/OS 1.7 2)The program is Cobol 3)It don't use inspect upper case/lower.. 4)It reads some tables DB2 and add data to a single table. The program does merge some table DB2. 5) yes I increased the region 0M, 32M, 64M and after your e-mail I use 125M and failed. Em 23/08/2011 10:11, Lizette Koehler escreveu: -Original Message- From: Lizette Koehler [mailto:stars...@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:23 AM To: 'IBM Mainframe Discussion List' Subject: RE: CEE0813S Insufficient Storage I am running a job and I am getting the following message. CEE0813S Insufficient storage was available to satisfy a get storage (CEECZST) request. The traceback information could not be determined. It increased the region and failed. Can anyone help me? Helio, Please provide more detail. Have you increased the region size on your job? What is it set at? Some programs may require REGION=0M or REGION=125M, it depends on what it is doing? 1) What version of z/OS? 2) Is this a cobol, pl/1 or other program? 3) Does it use INSPECT, UPPER CASE/LOWER Case function, etc??? 4) What does it do? 5) Have you Googled CEE0813S? Did anything make sense? Lizette -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FW: CEE0813S Insufficient Storage
On 8/23/2011 8:10 AM, HELIO wrote: Lizette, 1)The version z/OS 1.7 2)The program is Cobol 3)It don't use inspect upper case/lower.. 4)It reads some tables DB2 and add data to a single table. The program does merge some table DB2. 5) yes I increased the region 0M, 32M, 64M and after your e-mail I use 125M and failed. Em 23/08/2011 10:11, Lizette Koehler escreveu: -Original Message- From: Lizette Koehler [mailto:stars...@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:23 AM To: 'IBM Mainframe Discussion List' Subject: RE: CEE0813S Insufficient Storage I am running a job and I am getting the following message. CEE0813S Insufficient storage was available to satisfy a get storage (CEECZST) request. The traceback information could not be determined. It increased the region and failed. Can anyone help me? Helio, Can you show the calls you are making to request the storage, including the data definitions for the variables you are passing? -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * Special promotion: 15% off on all DB2 training classes scheduled by September 1, taught by year end 2011 * Check out our entire DB2 curriculum at: http://www.trainersfriend.com/DB2_and_VSAM_courses/DB2curric.htm -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FW: CEE0813S Insufficient Storage
Lizette, 1)The version z/OS 1.7 2)The program is Cobol 3)It don't use inspect upper case/lower.. 4)It reads some tables DB2 and add data to a single table. The program does merge some table DB2. Helio, First I think z/OS V1.7 is no longer supported so depending on your level of DB2 you may need to upgrade. Was this program recently changed? If so, how. This might be a problem with the central storage, the size of the data being used, the amount of region on the job. What are you CEE Parms (CEEDOPT) for this program? I am interested in HEAP, TERMTHDACT, and STACK to start with. For the cobol program what is its DATA set at (24 or 31) Is this Enterprise COBOL (what version) or older cobol program? Can you show us the entire CEEDUMP that is available? Can your provide the step end messages from the JESMSGLOG? Are you getting any other errors like S878? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FW: CEE0813S Insufficient Storage
What changed in the program? Might it be looping recursively? Try to get a SYSMDUMP and examine things. Or use the LE option which reports. On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:10:24 -0300 HELIO helio.si...@rural.com.br wrote: :Lizette, : :1)The version z/OS 1.7 : :2)The program is Cobol : :3)It don't use inspect upper case/lower.. : :4)It reads some tables DB2 and add data to a single table. :The program does merge some table DB2. : :5) yes : :I increased the region 0M, 32M, 64M and after your e-mail I use 125M and :failed. : : : :Em 23/08/2011 10:11, Lizette Koehler escreveu: : : -Original Message- : From: Lizette Koehler [mailto:stars...@mindspring.com] : Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:23 AM : To: 'IBM Mainframe Discussion List' : Subject: RE: CEE0813S Insufficient Storage : : : I am running a job and I am getting the following message. : : CEE0813S Insufficient storage was available to satisfy a get storage : (CEECZST) request. :The traceback information could not be determined. : : It increased the region and failed. : : Can anyone help me? : Helio, : Please provide more detail. Have you increased the region size on your : job? What is it : set at? Some programs may require REGION=0M or REGION=125M, it depends on : what it is doing? : : 1) What version of z/OS? : 2) Is this a cobol, pl/1 or other program? : 3) Does it use INSPECT, UPPER CASE/LOWER Case function, etc??? : 4) What does it do? : 5) Have you Googled CEE0813S? Did anything make sense? : : Lizette : : : -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: iasxwr00
You can't seem to get that information without paying for it.. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Thomas Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 1:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: iasxwr00 Sir, Please forgive me ... I do have code for SAPI but it's proprietary. That said, I do not know if this will help you but please take a look at http://www.docstoc.com/docs/52553279/MVS-Freeware-SYSOUT-Retrieval-Servi ces- (SRS) hopefully that will help you or at least get you started. Kind Regards Jim Thomas 617-233-4130 (mobile) 636-294-1014(res) j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of techie well wisher Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: iasxwr00 YesSAPI was something mentioned by the same ibm guy. if external writer is supplied by ibm and when they say they dont recommend using external writer anymore, I would expect a replacement program using this SAPI interface or at least supply sample asm code using SAPI interface. On Aug 20, 2011 4:35 AM, Jim Thomas j...@thethomasresidence.us wrote: I was under the impression that it could still be used. None the less, if an alternative is required, one easy approach I can think of is SAPI. Kind Regards Jim Thomas 617-233-4130 (mobile) 636-294-1014 (res) j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of techie well wisher Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 8:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: iasxwr00 Yes. It is external writer. Why does IBM say it is deprecated. perhaps that was an incorrect statement? I need to write outputs from a certain class, same as what that ias program does? On Aug 19, 2011 5:36 PM, Jim Thomas j...@thethomasresidence.us wrote: IIRC, IASXWR00 is (IMHO) an external writer ... do you really need a replacement ??. Do you 'only' want to be able to select specific spool datasets and have them copied to an individual dataset ??. Kind Regards Jim Thomas 617-233-4130 (mobile) 636-294-1014 (res) j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of techie well wisher Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 3:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: iasxwr00 All, Is there a replacement program for iasxwr00 ? I know this is an old program, heard it is also deprecated. Any new prog that does the same function (moving selective spool output files to a datasets preferably with single line separator ) Regards, WW -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3844 - Release Date: 08/19/11 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3845 - Release Date: 08/19/11 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3845 - Release Date: 08/19/11 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html == This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use
Re: CLOCK change problem
I thought I remembered it being there on the 138. This picture says it's from the front of one. Found it on Google images. http://www.purestockphotos.co.uk/cgi-bin/sitewise.pl?act=detpt=p=140 Bob CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The foregoing message (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communication Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. sections 2510-2521, and is CONFIDENTIAL. If you believe that it has been sent to you in error, do not read it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete it. Thank you. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 9:36 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] CLOCK change problem TOD Clock switch AFAIK came in with the 370. I remember it specifically on the 168 my memory is iffy on the 155/158 but I think it was there, no experience on the 14X . If it was there on the 360#39;s I never heard/saw anything about it. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FW: CEE0813S Insufficient Storage
LE will provide storage based on the Amode of the calling program. See the Language environment documentation on how to use the CEEOPTS DD to generate a storage usage report. This will give detailed information on above and below the line storage usage by COBOL and other HLLs. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: What changed in the program? Might it be looping recursively? Try to get a SYSMDUMP and examine things. Or use the LE option which reports. On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:10:24 -0300 HELIO helio.si...@rural.com.br wrote: :Lizette, : :1)The version z/OS 1.7 : :2)The program is Cobol : :3)It don't use inspect upper case/lower.. : :4)It reads some tables DB2 and add data to a single table. : The program does merge some table DB2. : :5) yes : :I increased the region 0M, 32M, 64M and after your e-mail I use 125M and :failed. : : : :Em 23/08/2011 10:11, Lizette Koehler escreveu: : : -Original Message- : From: Lizette Koehler [mailto:stars...@mindspring.com] : Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:23 AM : To: 'IBM Mainframe Discussion List' : Subject: RE: CEE0813S Insufficient Storage : : : I am running a job and I am getting the following message. : : CEE0813S Insufficient storage was available to satisfy a get storage : (CEECZST) request. : The traceback information could not be determined. : : It increased the region and failed. : : Can anyone help me? : Helio, : Please provide more detail. Have you increased the region size on your : job? What is it : set at? Some programs may require REGION=0M or REGION=125M, it depends on : what it is doing? : : 1) What version of z/OS? : 2) Is this a cobol, pl/1 or other program? : 3) Does it use INSPECT, UPPER CASE/LOWER Case function, etc??? : 4) What does it do? : 5) Have you Googled CEE0813S? Did anything make sense? : : Lizette : : : -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNC vs LINK
The name of the macro that generates SVC 12 is SYNCH, not SYNC. There is also a newer flavor called SYNCHX, which I believe is for doing a SYNCH in a cross-memory environment. Bill Fairchild -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Myers Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SYNC vs LINK Micheal: Yes, as I recall, SYNC (SVC 12) was designed to invoke exit routines on behalf of system routines (like OPEN, CLOSE, etc.), and therefore calls on the program by its address (found in some exit list or exit pointer), whereas LINK (SVC 6) calls out a program by name (as Binyamin says) and was intended for calling separately compiled program subroutines, which would have a CDE (either created by the LOAD or LINK SVC routine). Mike Myers Mentor Services Corporation On 08/23/2011 07:03 AM, Micheal Butz wrote: Does that mean sync doesn't have to be associated with a CDE Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:35:06 -0400 Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net wrote: :Would any one the difference between the the SYNCH LINK. Macros both :transfer control and seem to syncrounous execution of code and create :an RB SYNC is to address. LINK is to name. -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CLOCK change problem
bherr...@txfb-ins.com (Herring, Bobby) writes: TOD Clock switch AFAIK came in with the 370. I remember it specifically on the 168 my memory is iffy on the 155/158 but I think it was there, no experience on the 14X . If it was there on the 360s I never heard/saw anything about it. TOD was introduced with 370 (interval timer clock comparator) ... relaxing location 80 timer. i remember getting caught up for a couple months discussing things like whether the TOD baseline of first day of the century was 1900 or 1901. lower-end 360s would update location 80 appox. every 3mills ... higher end 360 could have (high resolution) location 80 update approx every 13mics ... including 360/67. cp/67 used location 80 for everything ... it would save old value and load new value into 84, doing overloaping 8byte move from 80 to 76 (moved old value from 80 into 76 and new value from 84 into 80). It would then update the various clocks and timer values by the difference in current value saved to 76 and the original value that had been originally loaded into 80 (aka virtual machine microseconds used, kernel supervisor microseconds used, current clock value). when cp/67 was originally installed at the univ. in jan68 ... it had support for 1050 2741 terminals ... along with automatic terminal identification. The univ. had some number of ascii/tty terminals ... so I had to add TTY terminal support. I extended the original logic for automatic terminal identification to include TTY. It worked fine for leased lines ... but had a glitch trying to do a single dailin phone number with hunt group (pool of lines). It was possible to change line-scanner associated with each port (terminal type) ... but that didn't actually change the line-speed for each port (1050 2741 were the same ... but ascii/tty was different). This somewhat prompted the univ. to do a clone controller effort ... reverse engineer channel interface and building channel interface board for Interdata/3 ... and programming Interdata/3 so it could do both line-speed and terminal type. This got four of us written up as responsible for (some part of) clone controller business ... since vendor picked up the implementation and sold it commercially. One of the first bugs testing on channel interface was 360/67 red-light. The timer-tic hardware attempts to update location 80 on every tic ... if the processor or channel is holding the memory bus interface, it will delay ... but if delays so long that the timer tics again ... it will stop the processor with hardware failure. Turns out the initial clone controller implementation wasn't making sure that it told the channel interface to release the memory bus at least once every 13microseconds. The location 80 timer updates put expensive load on memory bus ... one of the reasons for starting to eliminate its use ... starting with tod, interval timer, and clock comparator in 370. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: iasxwr00
You can't seem to get that information without paying for it.. The code that was mentioned may be proprietary, but the SAPI API is publically documented in SA22-7642 Using The Subsystem Interface. Sample code (written by Dave Danner) can be found on File 790 of the CBTTAPE. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNC vs LINK
Correction: SYNCHX is for doing a SYNCH in an AR environment. Bill Fairchild -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Fairchild Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SYNC vs LINK The name of the macro that generates SVC 12 is SYNCH, not SYNC. There is also a newer flavor called SYNCHX, which I believe is for doing a SYNCH in a cross-memory environment. Bill Fairchild -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Myers Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SYNC vs LINK Micheal: Yes, as I recall, SYNC (SVC 12) was designed to invoke exit routines on behalf of system routines (like OPEN, CLOSE, etc.), and therefore calls on the program by its address (found in some exit list or exit pointer), whereas LINK (SVC 6) calls out a program by name (as Binyamin says) and was intended for calling separately compiled program subroutines, which would have a CDE (either created by the LOAD or LINK SVC routine). Mike Myers Mentor Services Corporation On 08/23/2011 07:03 AM, Micheal Butz wrote: Does that mean sync doesn't have to be associated with a CDE Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:35:06 -0400 Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net wrote: :Would any one the difference between the the SYNCH LINK. Macros both :transfer control and seem to syncrounous execution of code and create :an RB SYNC is to address. LINK is to name. -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Cryptography Processor
-snip--- Is cryptography processor a big reason for not allowing the virus to be active in Mainframe servers ? I even understand that any program which has the capability of executing and exploiting any datasets could also be one form of virus where Racf plays a vital in restricting all the sensitive datasets. Can anyone please enlighten me the why still virus was never a big threat to mainframe PC ? I apologize if my question is not clear or it requires some more information and I am trying to google more about it but i am unable to get a precise explanation about Virus on Z/os. Please direct me to manual or URL where I can get some information about this. unsnip--- The crypto hardware and software have very little to do with why MVS, OS/390 and z/OS don't get virus infections. One of the basic design points, all through this evolution, has been system integrity, the attitude of protect you from yourself. And the folks that design and coded these operating systems have had a LOT of practice in writing code that can't be easily compromised by malicious, or foolish, programmers. Between the hardware and the software, there's very little need for a user program to enter an area that might compromise system code; hence getting into these areas is difficult and in some cases impossible. Way back in OS/360 days, there were several ways that could be exploited to break things, but those paths have been isolated and blocked. This doesn't all mean that z/OS is completely virus-proof; it just means that it's much harder to introduce a virus, or ANY questionable code, into sensitive areas of the system. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNC vs LINK
-snip But bascally they perform the same functions --unsnip-- In authorized code (AC=1), each has some capabilities that the other lacks. What are you doing that makes the differences significant? Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SYNCH[X] vs LINK[X]
Binyamin Dissen has already made the crucial point: LINK[X] specifies a name (or alias); SYNCH[X] specifies an address. An apparently not quite obvious corollary of this distinction is that LINK[X] makes a LOAD[X] available under the hood/bonnet; SYNCH[X] does not. The exit routine nominated in a SYNCH[X] macro instruction must already be present in virtual storage. The load module or program object nominated in a LINK[X] macro instruction need not be. (A copy known to be present will, of course, be used if it is refreshable or reentrant.) John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
CSP
Hello, I need a manual CSP, can anyone help me? att Claudio -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CSP
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/G1433E00 On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Claudio Marcio cmarc...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I need a manual CSP, can anyone help me? att Claudio --**--**-- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/**ibm-main.htmlhttp://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
CSP
Hello, I need a manual CSP, can anyone help me? att Claudio -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: EDG6823I
Arturo, A quick use of IBMs' LookAt for your message yields the correct System Programmer Response for the message. At least 2 options to pick from depending on which piece of information on status was to be believed. See http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/lookat/ Hope that will help you next time an error message is seen. Mike Wood -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Post install JOB HBBN700G in Z/OS 1.12 ended with error code
I used a base tape install rather than the serverpac jobs, but I suggest you check syslog for racf violations or the output of the RACFTGT job. Also, the octets on the paths involved. You can also go into OMVS and just run the sh script from there. MA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNCH[X] vs LINK[X]
If I have a peice of code that was MVCL somewere it can'nt be the object of synch/synch Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:12 PM, john gilmore john_w_gilm...@msn.com wrote: Binyamin Dissen has already made the crucial point: LINK[X] specifies a name (or alias); SYNCH[X] specifies an address. An apparently not quite obvious corollary of this distinction is that LINK[X] makes a LOAD[X] available under the hood/bonnet; SYNCH [X] does not. The exit routine nominated in a SYNCH[X] macro instruction must already be present in virtual storage. The load module or program object nominated in a LINK[X] macro instruction need not be. (A copy known to be present will, of course, be used if it is refreshable or reentrant.) John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CSP
Hello, I need a manual CSP, can anyone help me? att Claudio Claudio, Can you tell us what CSP stands for? There are many names for CSP. By telling the full name, will help us. What product, what function? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: OMVS copy error - JZOS
cp with -X invokes the binder (a.k.a. the linkage editor) on z/OS Unix. It is only for copying load modules or program objects and is *very* slow doing that. For ordinary data such as a JCL member, just leave out the -X. regards, Tom On 2011-08-23 12:00 AM, IBM-MAIN automatic digest system wrote: Date:Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:49:42 +0530 From:jagadishan perumaljagadish...@gmail.com Subject: OMVS copy error - JZOS Hi experts, I was trying to copy some procs from the path : /usr/lpp/java/java5/J5.0/mvstools/samples/jcl with the command : cp -X JVMPRC50 //'a255209.proclib(JVMPRC50)'. -- Tom Russell “Stay calm. Be brave. Wait for the signs.” — Jasper FriendlyBear “... and remember to leave good news alone.” — Gracie HeavyHand -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Cryptography Processor
On 08/23/2011 05:59 AM, Mark Jacobs wrote: On 08/23/11 04:20, jagadishan perumal wrote: Hi, Is cryptography processor a big reason for not allowing the virus to be active in Mainframe servers ? I even understand that any program which has the capability of executing and exploiting any datasets could also be one form of virus where Racf plays a vital in restricting all the sensitive datasets. Can anyone please enlighten me the why still virus was never a big threat to mainframe PC ? I apologize if my question is not clear or it requires some more information and I am trying to google more about it but i am unable to get a precise explanation about Virus on Z/os. Please direct me to manual or URL where I can get some information about this. Regards, Jags Take a look at IBM's z/OS Statement of Integrity. http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/features/racf/zos_integrity_statement.html IBM's Statement of Integrity is only meaningful because the physical hardware architecture and the z/OS architecture make it possible to support it. There are multiple factors that enter into z/OS security: (1)There is a distinct division between z/OS system code and Application code, the hardware allows a strict segregation of hardware instructions into those that are safe for ordinary application use and those that are unsafe (supervisor mode instruction), and application code is restricted by the hardware and z/OS working together from direct use of any unsafe instructions - only indirectly through secure z/OS interfaces that validate the application request; The hardware is also designed to detect processor, memory, and I/O failures and pass information about the failures to z/OS in ways that permit some corrective action in many cases rather than total system failure or a compromised system. (2)Memory usage is segregated in multiple ways by z/OS with hardware enforcement to protect z/OS code and z/OS data from modification or unauthorized acess by application code and to prevent independent applications accessing memory of other applications, and in some cases to protect data owned by one part of z/OS from accidental modification by an unrelated part of z/OS (see (7)). (3)z/OS controls all allocation of and access to hardware assets: processors, memory, I/O devices, including allocation of and access to datasets and related physical tracks on external disk devices. (4)I/O device protocols and physical channel protocols are strictly defined, stable, and code that does physical I/O is owned by and part of z/OS in order to enforce z/OS rules for access. (compare that to PC land where each device manufacturer can create their own device drivers and their own potential path to blue-screen-of-death) (5)z/OS system and sub-system code and z/OS control parameters are restricted to a subset of system datasets with strictly enforced access. Update access to these datasets should be restricted to the small cadre of systems programmers responsible for z/OS maintenance, and code maintenance is performed using z/OS utilities that track the change level of every module and member in these libraries. Perhaps more importantly, the system programming philosophy in a reasonably run z/OS installation is that these z/OS system assets are protected like the crown jewels. z/OS Maintenance documentation typically describes what libraries are affected or it can be determined exactly what elements in what libraries will be affected by maintenance before choosing to make any changes, and maintenance can be applied to non-production libraries and tested before introducing changes into production (in ways that don't involve re-applying the maintenance). (6)Application programmers and application code and application vendor code at best have READ access, maybe only EXECUTE access, to z/OS system libraries. (compare this to MS PC designs where application vendors have traditionally been allowed to mix their code into system directories or even alter or replace entries in system directories as part of their install). (7)z/OS system code is designed from the ground up to assume that software bugs will exist. z/OS interfaces validate parameters and critical system control blocks are validated before use. Failures in system code invoke recovery routines rather than just induce total system failure. IBM's Statement of Integrity (which addresses Reliability and Availability, not just Security), basically says that any bug or design flaw that affects z/OS system integrity will be corrected. Viruses are essentially non-existent in the z/OS world because the memory, hardware, and datasets they would have to infect to propagate are protected by multiple barriers that would require authentication as a systems programmer and a manual action by a systems programmer that a reasonable systems programmer would find unreasonable. RACF, or an equivalent security package, is a major
How to Find a Manual (Was: CSP and Was: Degaussed URLs)
All tempted to post requesting how to find a manual The starting point for finding very many of the official IBM manuals you may need is the following URL: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/[1] Be aware that the prompt Search - Bookshelf titles and filenames can take you into territory which is not necessarily z/OS territory. For example, by entering CSP in the Find box, a list of three bookshelves is located, the second of which corresponds to the URL posted by Scott Rowe: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/G1433E00 It's not what you know, it's if you know how to find it that counts! - Where you may imagine that the manual could be a redbook, unlike the official manuals to which the above refers, you should start from the following URL: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/ - Claudio Incidentally, the IBM-MAIN list represents a reliable transmission medium in terms of getting posts to subscribers so it's not really necessary to send in more that one identical post, more TCP than UDP. Of course, whether or not the IBM-MAIN list may be considered reliable in terms of generating satisfactory responses to questions asked - or in terms of sticking to the question as asked - is open to debate. - [1] In the post with the Subject Degaussed URLs - obvious jumping on the back of the still current thread degaussed tapes - I stated that this URL had suddenly ceased to work. Peter X. DeFabritus was kind enough to confirm this - although I had made sure it wasn't some PC finger-trouble by verifying myself on a second PC - and he suggested a suffix, index.html, which also appeared to be valid except that, by the time I tested it, the unadorned URL was working again. - Chris Mason On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:38:05 -0400, Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/G1433E00 On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Claudio Marcio cmarc...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I need a manual CSP, can anyone help me? att Claudio -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNCH[X] vs LINK[X]
On 8/23/2011 1:05 PM, Micheal Butz wrote: If I have a peice of code that was MVCL somewere it can'nt be the object of synch/synch OK, I'll bite - why not? Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Question about what JES2 command to use
Hi, I need to find a JES2 command that will display (list) all jobs with SYSOUT datasets directed to a specific external writer name. Is there such a beast? I have looked at various $T commands but nothing seems appropriate. Thanks Craig Dudley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CSP
Hi, There is a program language used for mainframe called CSP, is what I want. att Claudio - Original Message - From: Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Re: CSP Hello, I need a manual CSP, can anyone help me? att Claudio Claudio, Can you tell us what CSP stands for? There are many names for CSP. By telling the full name, will help us. What product, what function? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNCH[X] vs LINK[X]
In a earlier post John Gilmore wrote as long as the copy is refershable reusable the Info is kept in the CDE Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2011, at 2:47 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net wrote: On 8/23/2011 1:05 PM, Micheal Butz wrote: If I have a peice of code that was MVCL somewere it can'nt be the object of synch/synch OK, I'll bite - why not? Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question about what JES2 command to use
I believe something along the lines of $DO JOBQ W=writer-name -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Craig's Listserve account Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Question about what JES2 command to use Hi, I need to find a JES2 command that will display (list) all jobs with SYSOUT datasets directed to a specific external writer name. Is there such a beast? I have looked at various $T commands but nothing seems appropriate. Thanks Craig Dudley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNCH[X] vs LINK[X]
The is nothing about MVCL that violates refresh/reuse -ability. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Micheal Butz Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SYNCH[X] vs LINK[X] In a earlier post John Gilmore wrote as long as the copy is refershable reusable the Info is kept in the CDE Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2011, at 2:47 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net wrote: On 8/23/2011 1:05 PM, Micheal Butz wrote: If I have a peice of code that was MVCL somewere it can'nt be the object of synch/synch OK, I'll bite - why not? Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question about what JES2 command to use
Hi Craig, $T is a set command. For display, you would be looking for $D. This would be easier under SDSF, especially if there are a lot of jobs using that same writer. You can fil ter your display o r you can sort by wtr. HTH, Linda - Original Message - From: Craig's Listserve account craig-list-c...@sacsi.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:01:35 PM Subject: Question about what JES2 command to use Hi, I need to find a JES2 command that will display (list) all jobs with SYSOUT datasets directed to a specific external writer name. Is there such a beast? I have looked at various $T commands but nothing seems appropriate. Thanks Craig Dudley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNCH[X] vs LINK[X]
On 8/23/2011 3:10 PM, Micheal Butz wrote: On Aug 23, 2011, at 2:47 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net wrote: On 8/23/2011 1:05 PM, Micheal Butz wrote: If I have a peice of code that was MVCL somewere it can'nt be the object of synch/synch OK, I'll bite - why not? In a earlier post John Gilmore wrote as long as the copy is refershable reusable the Info is kept in the CDE Apples and bananas. SYNCH has nothing to do with CDEs, as already mentioned. The only possible hitch with moving code is that the code either must be self-relocating, or not contain affected address constants at all. Neither consideration precludes the use of SYNCH. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question about what JES2 command to use
$T is a set command. For display, you would be looking for $D. This would be easier under SDSF, especially if there are a lot of jobs using that same writer. You can fil ter your display o r you can sort by wtr. Unless things have changed, $T is not always just SET. $TN is/was used to display NJE settings/status. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How to Find a Manual (Was: CSP and Was: Degaussed URLs)
Chris, Your post came at an opportune time. I normally use the DVD set that I have for z/OS 1.9 when I need an IBM book, but now I need a couple of books for z/OS 1.11. Now I have the site bookmarked, so I won't lose it. -- Eric Bielefeld Systems Programmer Chris Mason chrisma...@belgacom.net wrote: All tempted to post requesting how to find a manual The starting point for finding very many of the official IBM manuals you may need is the following URL: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/[1] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CSP
Google - ibm cross system product Hopefully that will get you what you need. That product has been out of support for a long time. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Claudio Marcio cmarc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, There is a program language used for mainframe called CSP, is what I want. att Claudio - Original Message - From: Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Re: CSP Hello, I need a manual CSP, can anyone help me? att Claudio Claudio, Can you tell us what CSP stands for? There are many names for CSP. By telling the full name, will help us. What product, what function? Lizette --**--** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/**ibm-main.htmlhttp://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html --**--**-- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/**ibm-main.htmlhttp://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- The postings on this site are my own and don’t necessarily represent Mainline’s positions or opinions Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CSP
For reasons even I don't understand, we still use CSP here. It continues to work under the latest z/OS release, although we have to use a saved copy of 1.7 SCEERUN library because we couldn't compile under 1.8. . . JO.Skip Robinson SCE Infrastructure Technology Services Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Mark Pace pacemainl...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 08/23/2011 12:45 PM Subject:Re: CSP Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Google - ibm cross system product Hopefully that will get you what you need. That product has been out of support for a long time. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Claudio Marcio cmarc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, There is a program language used for mainframe called CSP, is what I want. att Claudio - Original Message - From: Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Re: CSP Hello, I need a manual CSP, can anyone help me? att Claudio Claudio, Can you tell us what CSP stands for? There are many names for CSP. By telling the full name, will help us. What product, what function? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Naive BCPii questions
The constants that were listed by Walt in the System z API manual are shipped with z/OS BCPii as 2 include files. SYS1.SIEAHDRV.H(HWIZHAPI) contains these constants in the C programming language and SYS1.MACLIB(HWIC2ASM) contains the same constants for Assembler (as Jack so aptly mentioned). Many other possible constant values that are returned by the Support Element and listed in the System z API manual are also defined in these two PDS members. Hope this helps, Steve Warren BCPii Design and Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CSP
Same here. We have one customer who did not follow the recommended migration(s) to VAG and then EGL. CSP continues to work, but as Skip said we have to keep our old 1.7 SCEERUN library. Now there is no direct migration to EGL, so the customer is engaged with IBM to get some professional services help... Jim Link | ITM II | Technical Operations State of Nevada | Department of Information Technology T: (775) 684-4308 | F: (775) 684-4324 | E: jl...@doit.nv.gov -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Skip Robinson Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: CSP For reasons even I don't understand, we still use CSP here. It continues to work under the latest z/OS release, although we have to use a saved copy of 1.7 SCEERUN library because we couldn't compile under 1.8. . . JO.Skip Robinson SCE Infrastructure Technology Services Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Mark Pace pacemainl...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 08/23/2011 12:45 PM Subject:Re: CSP Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Google - ibm cross system product Hopefully that will get you what you need. That product has been out of support for a long time. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Claudio Marcio cmarc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, There is a program language used for mainframe called CSP, is what I want. att Claudio - Original Message - From: Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Re: CSP Hello, I need a manual CSP, can anyone help me? att Claudio Claudio, Can you tell us what CSP stands for? There are many names for CSP. By telling the full name, will help us. What product, what function? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNCH[X] vs LINK[X]
I did not of course say that SYNCH[X] had anything to do with CDEs, or vice versa. I did not even mention CDEs explicitly. What I said was that the LOAD[X] implicit in LINK[X] is a virtual one if the load module or program object nominated is 1) already resident and 2) known to be reentrant or refreshable. Gerhard Postposchil is entirely correct. The address of a moved piece of code known to be self-relocating or not to require relocation that returns control in an orderly way can in principle be specified in a SYNCH[X] macro instruction. About such a scheme I will venture two further comments: 1) there would need to be a compelling reason for using it, and 2) this technique is not for novices. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:20:37 -0400 From: gerh...@valley.net Subject: Re: SYNCH[X] vs LINK[X] To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu On 8/23/2011 3:10 PM, Micheal Butz wrote: On Aug 23, 2011, at 2:47 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net wrote: On 8/23/2011 1:05 PM, Micheal Butz wrote: If I have a peice of code that was MVCL somewere it can'nt be the object of synch/synch OK, I'll bite - why not? In a earlier post John Gilmore wrote as long as the copy is refershable reusable the Info is kept in the CDE Apples and bananas. SYNCH has nothing to do with CDEs, as already mentioned. The only possible hitch with moving code is that the code either must be self-relocating, or not contain affected address constants at all. Neither consideration precludes the use of SYNCH. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNCH[X] vs LINK[X]
Relocation of AD-con values? Rick -- Gibney, Dave wrote: The is nothing about MVCL that violates refresh/reuse -ability. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Micheal Butz Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SYNCH[X] vs LINK[X] In a earlier post John Gilmore wrote as long as the copy is refershable reusable the Info is kept in the CDE Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2011, at 2:47 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net wrote: On 8/23/2011 1:05 PM, Micheal Butz wrote: If I have a peice of code that was MVCL somewere it can'nt be the object of synch/synch OK, I'll bite - why not? Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNCH[X] vs LINK[X]
Perhaps a little OT but ... especially if you were developing a utility, product, component, sub-system ... blah .. blah, I've always been a proponent of having most all, if not all, ADCON's ( and even VCON's) in a separate module by itself. This would in turn and in the long run, eliminate changes in the ESD / RLD which obviously, at least in my feeble mind, mitigate a lot of addressing type issues when actual code was or had to be reassembled / linked. Kind Regards Jim Thomas 617-233-4130 (mobile) 636-294-1014(res) j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 4:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SYNCH[X] vs LINK[X] Relocation of AD-con values? Rick -- Gibney, Dave wrote: The is nothing about MVCL that violates refresh/reuse -ability. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Micheal Butz Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SYNCH[X] vs LINK[X] In a earlier post John Gilmore wrote as long as the copy is refershable reusable the Info is kept in the CDE Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2011, at 2:47 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net wrote: On 8/23/2011 1:05 PM, Micheal Butz wrote: If I have a peice of code that was MVCL somewere it can'nt be the object of synch/synch OK, I'll bite - why not? Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3852 - Release Date: 08/23/11 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Security is fun in the PC world....
In 025301cc6134$b9c39ca0$2d4ad5e0$@us, on 08/22/2011 at 08:33 PM, Jim Thomas j...@thethomasresidence.us said: Don't know about the first HTTP server Mainframe, at CERN as I recall. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Security is fun in the PC world....
In 4e539fcf.2020...@gmail.com, on 08/23/2011 at 08:40 PM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said: Wow! At least UWA could afford a PDP-11 ;-) The CDC was a mainframe, and fairly fast for its day; basically a 6600 without all of the parallelism. A much more powerful machine that the DEC PDP-11. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNC vs LINK
In 802b0366-bddf-4aae-b132-840ade71b...@optonline.net, on 08/23/2011 at 07:03 AM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net said: Does that mean sync doesn't have to be associated with a CDE No. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNC vs LINK
In 4e53953e.6090...@mentor-services.com, on 08/23/2011 at 07:55 AM, Mike Myers m...@mentor-services.com said: Yes, No. Yes, as I recall, SYNC (SVC 12) was designed to invoke exit routines on behalf of system routines (like OPEN, CLOSE, etc.), and therefore calls on the program by its address (found in some exit list or exit pointer), True but irrelevant. whereas LINK (SVC 6) calls out a program by name (as Binyamin says) and was intended for calling separately compiled program subroutines, which would have a CDE (either created by the LOAD or LINK SVC routine). None of which prevents SYNCH from creating a CDE. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNC vs LINK
In 21e30347-dc2b-4aec-acc5-d00b2ae9d...@optonline.net, on 08/23/2011 at 08:58 AM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net said: Does sync create a SVRB ( for the SVC only) and no RB or PRB for the program No. SYNCH creates a PRB and adds it to the RB list; EXIT (SVC 3) removes the SVRB for SYNCH, making the new PRB active. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNC vs LINK
In 4e53a773.3020...@mentor-services.com, on 08/23/2011 at 09:13 AM, Mike Myers m...@mentor-services.com said: Imagine a sequence where a problem program issues an OPEN and has identified an OPEN exit program. The RB queue (which is a push-down stack) will look like this when the exit is running: No. The SVRB for SYNCH is gone when the exit receives control. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNCH[X] vs LINK[X]
In snt113-w1bb5fda98f56435233d23c6...@phx.gbl, on 08/23/2011 at 04:12 PM, john gilmore john_w_gilm...@msn.com said: An apparently not quite obvious corollary of this distinction is that LINK[X] makes a LOAD[X] available under the hood/bonnet; SYNCH[X] does not. Not quite. LINK creates a PRB and does not create an LLE. LOAD creates or updates an LLE and does not create a PRB. (A copy known to be present will, of course, be used if it is refreshable or reentrant.) If it's linked with REFR without RENT then it is not treated as being reentrant. Also, a copy with a 0 use count will be used if it was linked with REUS. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CLOCK change problem
In 1314066987.61701.yahoomailmob...@web161424.mail.bf1.yahoo.com, on 08/22/2011 at 07:36 PM, Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com said: If it was there on the 360#39;s I never heard/saw anything about it. There was no TOD clock on the S/360, hence no need to enable setting it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CLOCK change problem
In 025201cc6133$a6310ac0$f2932040$@us, on 08/22/2011 at 08:26 PM, Jim Thomas j...@thethomasresidence.us said: I started off on the HDW side from the 360's It didn't exist on the 360. I do fully remember a 'green' switch that had to be enabled to 'change' the time Called something like clock enable as I recall. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CLOCK change problem
In m339gsf99o@garlic.com, on 08/23/2011 at 11:16 AM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com said: lower-end 360s would update location 80 appox. every 3mills No. From S/360 PoOps: Timer feature The timer is provided as an interval timer and may be programmed to maintain the time of day. The timer consists of a full word in main storage location 80. The timer word is counted down at a rate of 50 or 60 cycles per second, depending on line frequency. The timer word is treated as a signed integer following the rules of fixed-point arithmetic. An external interruption condition is signaled when the value of the timer word goes from positive to negative. The full cycle time of the timer is 15.5 hours. An updated timer value is available at the end of each instruction execution but is not updated in the stopped state. The timer is changed by addressing storage location 80. As an interval timer, the timer is used to measure elapsed time over relatively short intervals. It can be set to any value at any time. I recall a frequency of 300 Hz on faster models, but don't recall whether that came in with the S/370. The high resolution timer was a special feature and included a cache for locations 80-83. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SYNCH[X] vs LINK[X]
In 94b72b86-ba72-48a9-9878-fd8a90610...@optonline.net, on 08/23/2011 at 01:05 PM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net said: If I have a peice of code that was MVCL somewere it can'nt be the object of synch/synch What gives you that idea? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CSP
In 03bf01cc61b8$415814b0$c4083e10$@mindspring.com, on 08/23/2011 at 01:15 PM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com said: Can you tell us what CSP stands for? Presumably Cross System Product, which used to be part of SAA. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CLOCK change problem
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#27 CLOCK change problem 32bit value with 15hr duration ... different models decrement bits depending on timer resolution of the model. re: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/funcChar/GA24-3231-7_360-30_funcChar.pdf pg. 29, Interval Timer The Model 30 Interval Timer (special feature) operates at a fixed cycle rate of 16.7 milliseconds (60-cycle system power-supply input) or 20 milliseconds (50-cycle power). The microprogram controls decrementing the timer The interval-timer microprogram requires 7.5 to 13.5 microseconds (10 to 18 microseconds in a CPU with 2-microsecond RW cycle) per count depending upon whether there is a carry in the count. The cycle occurs asynchronously with respect to the stored program and I/O operation. Backup-up register is provided with the timer feature to accumulate automatically a count of up to 16 intervals of time, if main storage cannot be accessed because of prolonged I/O or direct control operations. The feature permits a delay of up to 277 milliseconds between timer counter references without loss of the count. ... snip ... keeping 16 intervals ... implies that update has to happen before the end of 17th interval ... aka total 277ms divided by 17 intervals is approx. 16ms ... corresponds to the 16.7 milliseconds for 60-cycle power. re: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/funcChar/GA27-2719-2_360-67_funcChar.pdf pg. 19 High-Resolution Interval Timer An interval timer with a high degree of resolution is used in 2067. Operation of this timer is fully compatible with that described in the IBM System/360 Principles of Operation manual. The high-resolution timer provides approximately 13-usec resolution. This is accomplished with an 8-bit hardware register which contains the low-order byte of the timer. Each time the low-order byte counts to zero, the timer value at location 80-82 is decremented at the end of the instruction currently being executed. An operand fetch from location 80 will retrieve the three high-order bytes from location 80 plus the low-order bytes from the hardware register. If the low-order byte has stepped through zero during the instruction, then before a fetch from location 80, zeros are inserted into the low-order byte instead of the contents of the hardware register. Any instruction that stores into location 80 also stores the low-order byte into the hardware register, as well as a full word into location 80. If the timer value at location 80 changes from positive to negative, an external interrution is requested. ... snip ... approx. 15hr interval ... makes bit23 (i.e. bits 0-23) approx. 3mills. ... 360/67 timer required access to location 80 approx. every 3mills or machine would redlight. (bit31) 13microseconds *256 (bit23) is 3.328 milliseconds. 3.328 milliseconds times 2**24 is 15.51 hrs (for 32bits) bit23 at 3.328ms, bit22 at 6.656ms, bit21 at 13.312ms, bit20 at 26.624ms bit19 at 53.248ms, bit18 at 106.496ms, bit17 at 212.992ms misc. past posts mentioning doing clone controller http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#360pcm -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SYNCH[X] vs LINKX]
Seymour's most recent comments in this thread are not up to his usual standard. He is quote right that a [loaded] in-storage module having a use count of 0 will be used. His other comments were once correct but are now obsolete, except for those who continue to use the old linkage editor instead of the binder; and this practice is not one I can recommend. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Security is fun in the PC world....
LOL .. Nah mate .. too lazy to want to do some hard work. Kind Regards Jim Thomas 617-233-4130 (mobile) 636-294-1014(res) j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email) -Original Message- From: Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz [mailto:shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:14 PM To: j...@thethomasresidence.us Subject: Re: Security is fun in the PC world Offlist In 025101cc6133$02b0a860$0811f920$@us, on 08/22/2011 at 08:21 PM, Jim Thomas j...@thethomasresidence.us said: Thank you ... but that was a couple of years ago ... besides .. lawyers are just as bad as 'management'. He may be an SOB but he's *my* SOB. Or do you mean that he's a rooster and clucks defiance? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3853 - Release Date: 08/23/11 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
