Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
Probably TECO. That was a long time ago. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 02/24/2010 12:51 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure In of7bc60fb2.c3c3be5d-on882576d3.005acd1b-882576d3.005ae...@kp.org, on 02/23/2010 at 08:33 AM, jack.hamil...@kp.org said: Remember that TICO moon-lander? TECO? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
WYLBUR was used by Stanford and SLAC, and by some other academic institutions. There's a commercial version called SuperWylbur, http://www.superwylbur.com/, I think there was another commercial version called Interact from Online Business Systems, but Mr. Google is not being helpful on that. And there were rumors of a DOS or Windows versions, but I was never able to track it down. It was a good products with features I still miss. I think there was a version that offloaded some of the work to a 7171 controller. An article about the retirement of the mainframe it ran on: http://news.stanford.edu/news/2003/july9/mainframe-79.html. I was long gone by 2003, but knew most of the people mentioned in the article. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 02/24/2010 12:46 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure In 4b831351.8030...@neo.tamu.edu, on 02/22/2010 at 05:29 PM, Richard Peurifoy r-peuri...@neo.tamu.edu said: I suspect he may have meant ORVYL, the interactive exuction companion to WYLBUR. We never ran it, so I don't know much about it. Did anyone use it other than Stanford? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
I'd be astonished if no one had an EMACS version. Remember that TICO moon-lander? (Actually, I never tried it, but I heard about. Text graphics, even moon-lander games, never interested me much.) -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 02/22/2010 03:30 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:08:37 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: I know what a TSO version is, but how could you have a Wylbur version written in PL/I? Wylbur didn't support any language other than its own command/macro language. Would you be surprised if someone had an EMACS version? Would you be surprised if no one had an EMACS version? (I don't know.) Some editors are more equal than others. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
My recollection is that someone at Stanford wrote replacement modules for all the PL/I modules that did I/O so they would run under ORVYL. When someone created a TSO program that needed to run under ORVYL they would do a normal compile but change the link-edit to include the replacement modules. There were probably some ORVYL-specific functions, but I don't remember what they were. I wrote some simple programs, but found that there wasn't anything I wanted to do that I couldn't do more easily in SPIRES. I don't know how widely the ORVYL version of PL/I was used, but it someone went to a lot of work to create it. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 02/22/2010 03:42 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: I know what a TSO version is, but how could you have a Wylbur version written in PL/I? Wylbur didn't support any language other than its own command/macro language. from the file ... WELLPUT TITLE 'W E L L P U T -- WYLBUR/TSO I/O INTERFACE FROM PLI' 0001 R0 EQU 0 0002 R1 EQU 1 0003 R2 EQU 2 0004 R3 EQU 3 0005 R4 EQU 4 0006 R5 EQU 5 0007 R6 EQU 6 0008 R7 EQU 7 0009 R8 EQU 8 0010 R9 EQU 9 0011 R10 EQU 10 0012 R11 EQU 11 0013 R12 EQU 12 0014 R13 EQU 13 0015 R14 EQU 14 0016 R15 EQU 15 0017 *** 0018 * WELLPUT - * 0019 * THE PURPOSE OF THIS MODULE IS TO SIMULATE THE I/O ROUTINES TREAD* 0020 * AND TWRITE USED BY THE ADVENTURE GAME. * 0021 * * 0022 * CALLING SEQUENCES: * 0023 * * 0024 * TREAD (PROMPT_MESSAGE,PROMPT_LENGTH, MESSAGE_AREA,LENGTH,RTN_CODE) * 0025 * * 0026 * TWRITE (MESSAGE,MESSAGE LENGTH,RETURN CODE) * 0027 * * 0028 *** 0029 ... snip ... -- 42yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure
I used SAIL (and some other language, don't remember which now) on the LOTS machine mentioned in the DEC-10 messages below. I really liked TOPS-20. Then I really liked VM/CMS and XEDIT. And I liked WYLBUR. I guess it's my fate to like doomed operating systems and editors. LOTS was the Low Overhead Timesharing System, and as you can guess from the name it was created in reaction to the perceived (and real) excessive overhead and expense of the mainframe system used by many students at the time. Ralph Gorin was not one to shy away from controversy. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 02/23/2010 07:10 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: I suspect that what Tymshare had was a PDP-10, or maybe the older PDP-6, which was basically an older version of the same machine. recent reference to mip envy http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#80 Senior Java Developer vs. MVS Systems Programmer which mentions survey/visits to other institution ... with snippets of those visits ... including stanford CS dept. the longer thread in a.f.c. (x-posted to alt.sys.pdp10) including some of the people from stanford CS dept ... and some discussion of stanford sail machine http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#51 Happy DEC-10 Day http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#52 Happy DEC-10 Day Adventure wiki pages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_game http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventure_Game http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure from above, URL for Crowther's original source code for Adventure (as recovered from Don Woods's student account at Stanford) (mar1977): http://jerz.setonhill.edu/if/crowther/ Tymshare wasn't far away ... and (also) had PDP-10. As previously mentioned Tymshare offerred vm370-based commercial online interactive timesharing (available via tymnet). They had also developed CMS-based computer conferencing and in Aug76 ... provided it free to SHARE as VMSHARE ... VMSHARE archive: http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/ and some old email mentioning vmshare (frequently mentioning getting monthly snapshots of all the vmshare files and making them available within the corporation): http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#vmshare wiki page mentioning (tymshare's) tymnet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tymnet Above mentions Tymnet starting to port to Interdata 7/32 in 1972 and then started development of Tymnet on PDP-10. Aside, as undergraduate in the 60s, I had been part of univ. project that used Interdata/3 for 2702 clone ... four of us gotten written up responsible for clone business some past posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#360pcm In 1984, M/D bought Tymshare. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tymshare Somewhat as part of that I setup interviews for Engelbert (he had augment running on tymshare pdp), trying to interest him in joining IBM. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NLS_%28computer_system%29 M/D also brought me in to do audit of Tymshare's GNOSIS as part of its spin-off as KEYKOS (I still have gnosis document somewhere in boxes) ... a little gnosis/keykos history here: http://www.coyotos.org/history/index.html past posts in thread http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#57 Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#64 Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#65 Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#67 Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#68 Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#74 Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#75 Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#77 Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010d.html#82 Adventure - Or Colossal Cave Adventure -- 42yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68
Re: IBM-caused needless aggravation for today
Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote: No comment. We're all human here, and subject to mistakes once in a while. After all, we all put trousers on one leg at a time. :-) If you sit down, you can do both legs at once. And of course that leaves out all the people who don't wear pants. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 02/23/2010 12:50:42 PM: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 02/23/2010 12:50 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] IBM-caused needless aggravation for today -snip--- Yeah, give me my deserved grief for dropping the I in IBM from the subject. Some day I'll learn how to cut paste... Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -unsnip--- No comment. We're all human here, and subject to mistakes once in a while. After all, we all put trousers on one leg at a time. :-) Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Bad leap-year code
Howard Brazee howard.bra...@cusys.edu On 11 Jan 2010 20:37:37 -0800, paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) wrote: I'm not sure that matters; the sequence of year numbers can hardly be coerced to be closed. For example, if from 1912 (sinking of the Titanic) I subtract 1957 (dawn of the Space Age), I get -45 (the year Caesar proclaimed the Julian calendar). Really!? Caesar? Julius Caesar. The calendar was introduced in 46 BCE and went into effect in 45 BCE, according to Wikipedia. The Gregorian calendar was introduced by Pope Gregory in 1582. The year it went into effect varies by country (between 1582 and 1923 in Europe; the British Empire, which included the American colonies, adopted it in 1752). Speaking of coercing numbers: http://xkcd.com/687/ -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Anybody use a Wiki for internal information?
Kaiser uses Lotus Notes for some internal information. It's not a good solution - searching is poor, and there's no central index of the various databases. It's being replaced by Jive Software SBS, branded internally as the KP IdeaBook. It seems to work fairly well. I haven't heard of any efforts to copy information from Lotus Notes into Ideabook (but I'm not involved with the implementation, so I might not hear). There has been an effort by the SAS Institute and the SAS Global Forum board to introduce a wiki for SAS users. It's called www.sascommunity.org. There's a fair amount of technical material there, but it has not replaced SAS-L. You might want to look around there to see if members are adopting usage patterns you'd like. I have not found the shared Windows folder approach to work well. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com I have a real gut desire to organize our internal Tech Services into a Wiki. Something that is easily searchable with keywords. I'm having a real problem with inertia and too much bother from others in my group. At present, we tend to just document things in a MS Word document, then put that in a shared Windows folder with a good file name. We then ignore it. grin Does anybody out there think using Wiki software is reasonable and more effective? Has anybody actually done it? If so, on what platform and with what software? It is unlikely that we would host it on z/OS due to CPU usage. That would be considered not cost effective. John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid- West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Korean bank Moves back to Mainframes (...no, not back)
Ron Hawkins ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net True, but the requirement to sign the slip with a signature that matches the card would be an equal deterrent. The D/L check would be redundant if the store checked the signatures in the first place. Provided that the signature hasn't worn off, which it has on my most commonly used credit card. In California, a merchant is allowed to ask to see ID for a credit card purchase, but is not allowed to write down any information from that ID. http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs15-mt.htm As for asking for a license, sure, it doesn't guarantee anything -- but it probably stops the kid who finds a card and says Hey, let's go buy an XBOX!. So it's not entirely worthless. If you don't think it's worthwhile, then I assume you don't bother to lock your car or house -- the true professional won't be stopped by a lousy lock, eh? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why is JCL so bad was Re: Basic question on passing JCL set symbol to proc
According to http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/trains.asp, Mussolini did *not* make the trains run on time. Interesting how those catch phrases become part of common knowledge, true or not. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. P S zosw...@gmail.com Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 01/04/2010 06:48 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] Why is JCL so bad was Re: Basic question on passing JCL set symbol to proc On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.cawrote: The trains were available. ...and Mussolini made them run on time! (OK, I'm guessing that isn't the first time that joke has been made...) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed
They didn't use RFC 1149, which specifies The IP datagram is printed, on a small scroll of paper, in hexadecimal, with each octet separated by whitestuff and blackstuff. As so often happens, technology outraces standards. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 09/14/2009 01:10 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed In a30a9f528e618748a8ef5199e80c4a1c69a...@wkpp1infmb03.cbsh.com, on 09/11/2009 at 02:00 PM, Kelman, Tom thomas.kel...@commercebank.com said: Subject: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed Using RFC 1149? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Book on Poughkeepsie
I remember 80-column punch cards. I don't remember the model of the keypunch machine, but I do remember that it was large, heavy, and unforgiving. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 05/26/2009 09:18 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] Book on Poughkeepsie --snip A while back I posted something on punched cards here and got a private email what does punched cards have to do the the mainframe? so I'm half expecting a what does Poughkeepsie NY have to do with the mainframe?. unsnip-- Consider, if you will, the sweet innocence of childhood. ;-) How many of us remember the days of punched cards, either 80-column or 96-column? Or the 1442 Multifunction Card Machine, also known as Mother Fletcher's Card Mulcher? Or the venerable 2540? or the 2501 Optical Card Reader? Or the 3505/3525? -- Rick -- Remember that if you?re not the lead dog, the view never changes. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: EXEC PGM=FTP and put
Here's a step we regularly run: = //FTPSTEP EXEC PGM=FTP,PARM='remote-machine-IP-address 21 ( EXIT' //JOBCARDS DD DSN=JOB,LRECL=80,RECFM=FB,BLKSIZE=0, // SPACE=(80,(100,100)),UNIT=VIO,DISP=(NEW,PASS,DELETE) //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //INPUTDD *,DLM='!!' c449630 password ascii get 'DBCNHPS2.HPS.MIS.FORMATS.CNTL(C449630F)' //DD:JOBCARDS site filetype=jes put //DD:JOBCARDS quit !! = This copies a file contraining a job stream from a remote system and writes it to a temporary file, then submits that temporary file to the internal reader. This is probably described in the IBM manual IP User's Guide and Commands, but I couldn't readily locate it in the index. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Don Russell russell@gmail.com Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 02/05/2009 08:00 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject [IBM-MAIN] EXEC PGM=FTP and put I have an FTP process that writes a temporary file to a remote site. Because put requires the local file name to be explicitly specified, the temporary file must be catalogued. Is there a way to specify a DD NAME to read from instead of the actual local file name? Something like put (ddname) remote.file.name It doesn't look like it from any doc I've seen, but it seems like such a natural thing to do in an MVS batch environment. :-) //S1 EXEC PGM=MHH Miracle Happens Here //STUFF DD DISP=(,PASS,DELETE), text, sequential, flat file //* //S2 EXEC PGM=FTP //STUFF DD DISP=(OLD,DELETE) //INPUT DD * ... put (STUFF) remote.file.name /* -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: insanity? process SMF with Java on non-z?
SAS data steps are compiled, not interpreted. According to a developer I have spoken to, data step code is first turned into a platform-independent p-code (I don't think he actually used the term p-code), and then a platform-dependent module turns that into machine code. This may not result in the most efficient possibly machine code, but nevertheless data steps are compiled, not interpreted. (There are some features, such as the RESOLVE function, that allow for very limited types of dynamic code to be run during a data step.) SAS PROCs are also compiled. There are some procedures that use interpreted code (the data step-like langauage in PROC IML, for example). In general, SAS PROCs build complicated internal data structures and have a lot of conditionally executed code, so they are not as efficient as non-general code might be, but they are compiled. SAS macros are not compiled to machine code as far as I know. SAS can be very fast. It is perceived to be slow, I think, because it is so easy to write code that is very inefficient but still produces the desired results. Business analysts who use SAS are not usually trained to create efficient programs. It is not unusual for a SAS programmer to be able to reduce the run time of a SAS business analyst's code by 50% or more, but few companies are willing to make that investment. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 02/04/2009 12:06 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] insanity? process SMF with Java on non-z? WPS (written in JAVA) already exists Really? What sense would that make to save on SAS costs and then run something that is even more of a CPU hog? Knee-Jerk reaction! Speaking as a long-time performance analyst, JAVA can be optimised. Even on a zAAP it would still be expensive. The software costs probably mitigate the hardware costs. And, SAS CPU (as an interpreter) isn't cheap either. I have not done an evaluation, but I would bet WPS beats out SAS by cost alone. The only way to find out is to meaure, without prejudice. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: insanity? process SMF with Java on non-z?
Semantics = Meaning. Meaning is important. SAS data steps are not interpreted, they are compiled and executed. Would you say that a compile-load-go PL/I job is not compiled? That seems to be what you're saying, but I don't think that falls within the commonly accepted meaning of the term. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 02/04/2009 12:45 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] insanity? process SMF with Java on non-z? SAS data steps are compiled, not interpreted. Semantics! I run a first time SAS step. It's not compiled when I submit the job. It has to be interpreted, the compiled. SAS Institute had a way to keep compiled code, but I don't know if that still exists. If the code has been written and submitted without compilation, and executed, in one run, it's interpreted. The rest is semantics! - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Display Active Users panel (DA)
That's true for all of us, not just IBM, but I'm going to find it difficult to talk in mebibytes. There's a list of binary prefixes at http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 12/12/2008 08:30 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] Display Active Users panel (DA) In 5411f4eec9c68f4ca6f78821e685165a02612...@htxmail.jhacorp.com, on 12/11/2008 at 09:10 AM, Hal Merritt hmerr...@jackhenry.com said: So a display of 22T would be = 22 * 4096 / 1,000 = 90,112 bytes? No, it would be 22 * 4096 * 1,000 = 90,112,000 bytes. And, since 1 K is most often defined as 1024 in this context, It's about time for IBM to start paying attention to the correct definitions of the SI units and to use Ki if they mean 1024. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Big sorts
If you're interested in more details on the Google petabyte sort, discussed here recently (can't find the original subject line because Notes doesn't have a useful search feature), see: http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2008/11/scale_how_large_quantities_of.php Some of your objections to the article are addressed in the comments. I had never previously seen the term Shannon, defined to mean 1 mole of bits (6.02 x 10^23 bits). -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Little OT but its worth the 20+ minutes to watch it
I have heard that Google keeps several generations of search results available, and rolls them out across servers in a circular fashion. So getting different search results may be caused by hitting different servers with different as of dates, rather than by Google dropping records during sorts. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Howard Brazee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 11/24/2008 07:58 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] Little OT but its worth the 20+ minutes to watch it On 23 Nov 2008 21:27:02 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Gould) wrote: I was astounded to see that Google now claims to sort 6 petabytes in a few hours. This is astounding. I bet Frank Yeager would be interested in this, I know we could never come close to this in the mainframe world. I am in complete awe of this. It is not clear exactly what they are sorting unfortunately but if it is even half true the sort on the mainframe may be passed its prime and showing its age. Google has some different requirements, which may or may not have a bearing on this result - dropped records are not unacceptable, for instance. When you do a search going through one machine you are likely to find different results than when you do a search going through another machine.It works for them. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Fwd: storing a PDF file in DB2 for z/OS
If I create a PDF file with SAS and don't specify attributes, it assigns Organization . . . : PS Record format . . . : VB Record length . . . : 259 Block size . . . . : 27998 I have also used LRECL=8096,BLKSIZE=0. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Jim McAlpine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 11/11/2008 09:03 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject [IBM-MAIN] Fwd: storing a PDF file in DB2 for z/OS Sorry, there was a typo in the title. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jim McAlpine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:02 PM Subject: string a PDF file in DB2 for z/OS To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List ibm-main@bama.ua.edu We are looking at storing PDF files as DB2 BLOB data and I have some info on the COBOL programming aspect from a DB2 redbook. However we first have to get the PDF file stored in an MVS dataset. Obviously we can FTP the file but what would the attributes of the MVS dataset look like. Has anyone done this already. Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How to insert records using EXECIO
I wonder - Why is it not possible to add records to the beginning of a data set? Wouldn't it be possible for a sufficiently clever program to place the inserted records into a newly allocated area on disk, and then modify the VTOC to point to that new area first and the old first area next? It might require rewriting a bunch of control blocks, and probably wouldn't work for some kinds of data sets (FBS comes to mind), but isn't it theoretically possible? -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 10/16/2008 12:24:56 PM: On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:53:47 +0200, Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a requirement to insert some records in the beginning of a file where already some lines are existing . i tried using DISKW using MOD, but they are appending to the end. How do we insert in the beginning? I am using REXX for this program. There is no direct way to insert data into a sequential data set, neither at the beginning nor inbetween. You need to re-write the dataset with all the new and current records in the desired sequence. ... Peter came close to saying this, but I think it's worth highlighting. This restriction has nothing to do with REXX; it's just the way processing of sequential datasets works. Regarding MOD, last I checked there was no MOD option to EXECIO (and I wouldn't expect it there) so I assume the origonal poster was refering to DISP=MOD or MOD on a TSO ALLOCATE command. In those contexts MOD implies Add to the end of a dataset. In the JCL manual it clearly states that MOD implies either The data set exists and records are to be added to the end of it. The data set must be sequential. or A new data set is to be created. HELP for the ALLOCATE command is a lot less clear: ADDITIONS ARE TO BE MADE TO DATA SET Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMS and DFDSS
SAS supports DSNTYPE=LARGE for both libnames and filenames starting in 9.2. According to a user group paper, A single SAS Library can now be up to 54GB on a single volume, and up to 2.9TB in a multivolume library. There is some DSNTYPE=LARGE support in 9.1.3 with a hotfix. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Traylor, Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 08/07/2008 02:53 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] SMS and DFDSS Right. I believe SAS files still have the 65k track limitation per volume. And I don't think they support large format either. Terry Traylor charlesSCHWAB TIS Mainframe Storage Management Remedy Queue: tis-hs-mstg (602) 977-5154 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lester, Bob Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SMS and DFDSS -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Traylor, Terry Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: SMS and DFDSS Bob, I believe you cannot add or change a dataclass to an existing dataset. The dataset must be reallocated new. Terry Traylor charlesSCHWAB TIS Mainframe Storage Management Remedy Queue: tis-hs-mstg (602) 977-5154 Hi Terry, Yes, it appears that DFDSS won't allow it. DMS (CA-Disk) does support this, but the test I did resulted in dataset that SAS/ITRM didn't like. I'm getting a bit cranky with SAS at this point. They've told us they support EF datasets, but when we called today we got a different answer. Grrr. There, I feel better now. Thanks! Bob Lester -- This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email communications. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: California's COBOL payroll system
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 08/06/2008 10:31:58 AM: That conceded, Farber is not at idiot. If not, he makes idiotic comments. Or he was trying to be funny, and the reporter just didn't catch it. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
A more clueful article about mainframes
From Dr. Dobbs: http://dobbscodetalk.com/index.php?option=com_myblogshow=Mainframe-Programming-Fun.htmlItemid=29 Personally, my favorite platform is TOPS-20. Not that I've used it for decades, but I have fond memories. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controllersa...
Happily, the governor does not have the power to fire the Controller, who is a statewide elected official. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 08/05/2008 01:08 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller sa... In a message dated 8/5/2008 3:02:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about I offer to go in there, analyze the situation, come up with a solution that would work with their existing system, write it all myself and then charge them only a few hundred grand? Seems like the Govenator ought to be able to come up with 'You or your replacement will implement by Date Certain the following measures' period end. **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. ( http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 ) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can I tell whether a site is Linux on z
Or they might be running OpenVMS. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. John Giltner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 08/04/2008 10:46 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] Can I tell whether a site is Linux on z After re-looking at it, I don't think it is Linux at all. If you go http://bahn.hafas.de/ you will see you are re-directed to: http://bahn.hafas.de/bin/query.exe/d Notice the query.exe.I would say off hand that this is a Windows box. However, they could be running Wine under Linux or just doing the .exe to throw people off. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Faxing from the mainframe
When I was at Varian Associates, I wrote a PROFS-to-Telex interface. I wonder if anyone still uses PROFS (officially discontinued in favor of the great-in-theory-but-wretched-in-practice Lotus Notes)? Or even Telexes? At the time, there was a legal requirement that Telexes met but email did not. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Joseph Weizenbaum, 1923-2008
John Gilmore wrote on 03/15/2008 07:11:06 AM: He was one of the giants; Eliza was and will remain a landmark system. Perhaps more importantly, he reminded us, and we need constant reminding, that computing is an ethically neutral technology, one that lends itself to radical misuse: o It props up conservative, risk-averse bureraucracies; o it lends itself to the support of a naif, reductionist world view. All this Weizenbaum fought against, and no replacement figure of his stature is at hand. Donald Knuth is of comparable stature, but not as vocal. See, for example, http://www.stanfordalumni.org/news/magazine/2006/mayjun/features/knuth.html and http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/iaq.html -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can a pdf document be create using COBOL?
Yes, SAS can produce a PDF file on the mainframe. It can include tables, text, and graphics. I usually mail the result to myself using the SAS email engine so I don't have to do a manual FTP (we don't have shared drives). It can also produce an XML file that Excel knows how to read as a multi-sheet workbook, which is very useful. Excel is good at presentation, but you don't want to use it for data analysis. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Gary Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 01/11/2008 11:03 AM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] Can a pdf document be create using COBOL? I am asking this because I do not know the answer and have not tried it... Do you have SAS? I know it can produce a PDF file, supposedly with ease using ODS. The part I do not know is, can it produce a PDF type file on the host. Worse case, have SAS write it to a directory on a workstation/LAN, I've used SAMBA for the mounting. Then the PDF file would be sitting there ready to do whatever... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Warner Mach Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Can a pdf document be create using COBOL? I have played around with XMITIP and TXT2PDF to some extent. I have also discussed the DATA21 PDF product with one of the representatives of that company. . The problem with the XMITIP system (from our perspective) is that it does not have an 'overlay' feature (which we could really use for W-2s). The problem with the DATA21 product is that the PDF portion requires going to a PC as intermediary; which introduces security problems, along with political issues. . The ideal situation would be an add-on to XMITIP which would provide the free product with overlays and no need to use a PC ... One can dream. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM http://e-mail-servers.com/efd8f46c8641f67a92fcaf97810002f3worker.jpg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 2007 Year in Review on Mainframes - Interesting
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 12/20/2007 11:19:43 AM: There are significant issues with people using tinyurl and such, and it's a mistake more often than not. How about a little elabouration (for a change)? What are the issues? And, why is it a mistake? The issue is that it may send an unwary recipient to an unsafe site. Supposedly there are sites that will somehow infect your machine just by being viewed. Or it may be to a known site that I wouldn't care to visit, such as doubleclick, or that I don't want to show up in the usage logs at work, such as www.sex.com. For once, I would like to hear some evidence, rather than blanket declaratives! I don't think I've heard of any examples of problems with tinyurl, but it's not something I'd hear about. The tinylink site says: Hide your affiliate URLs Are you posting something that you don't want people to know what the URL is because it might give away that it's an affiliate link? Then you can enter a URL into TinyURL, and your affiliate link will be hidden from the visitor, only the tinyurl.com address and the ending address will be visible to your visitors. In other words, deceiving the visitor is one of their goals. And given the political content of the tinyurl site, I don't trust them to have my best interests at heart. By the way, there's an option, controlled by a browser cookie, that claims to display the destination link for you, rather than sending you directly to it. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series?
Amdahl had its own Unix called UTS. I think it was well regarded, but never really took off. Did another company take it over when Amdahl was acquired? And there was Amdahl's Huron, a rule-driven database. I ended up teaching an internal class on it at Amdahl when the regular instructor fell ill. It was quite interesting, in both good ways and bad ways. It also never took off (terrible interface, for one thing, and not made by a major database vendor for another). It was later sold and renamed ObjectStar. I never hear anything about it; I don't know if it disappeared or just became a niche product. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 08/03/2007 08:43:30 AM: I think you might actually be correct. I worked for an Oil company that had an Amdahl 57?? and they bought an Australian written package (MIMS) that was developed on UNIX, this was then later ported to the 'AIX' on the 5700, I don't think that AIX on the mainframe is still available though... Is it? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: 03 Augustus 2007 04:26 nm To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Why is not AIX ported to z/Series? I think it was ported to IBM's mainframes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_AIX_(operating_system) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PSI MIPS (was: Links to decent 'why the mainframe thrives' article)
If you run Linux for your OS and Apache for your web server and PostgreSQL for your database, you won't have licensing costs. You won't get paid support, of course, but that's a compromise that many sites seem willing to make. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL If your point 1 were accurate, management would dump those servers. Two points that substantiate the TCA argument (or, to be more presice ICA (initial cost of acquisition)): 1. Mainframe DASD costs more than midrange disk. (Even IBM's DS series). 2. IFL's cost arounnd 100K (US). (I can buy a lot of servers for that price -- a manager I know). Yep And each one of those servers requires a physical connection to electrical power; each requires an operating system license; each one that runs a database requires a DBMS license, etc., etc. Oh, did you want Test/Development and QA copies too? More $. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: File to PDF Product
SAS can create a PDF file in a PS file as well as HFS and PDSE. I think there was a restriction at one time, but not as of SAS 9.1.3. Sample JCL: = //PDF JOB XX,'EMAIL PDF',NOTIFY=SYSUID, // MSGCLASS=X,CLASS=S //* /*ROUTE PRINT FETCH //* //DELETE EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 //ODSPDFDD DSN=SYSUID..ODS.PDF,DISP=(MOD,DELETE,DELETE), // UNIT=VIO,SPACE=(1,(1,1)) //* //STEPNAME EXEC SASPROD //ODSPDFDD DSN=SYSUID..ODS.PDF,DISP=(NEW,CATLG,CATLG), // UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(80,(1000,1000),RLSE), // LRECL=8196,RECFM=VB,BLKSIZE=0 //SYSIN DD *,DLM='!!' /* Send output to PDF */ options orientation=landscape; ods pdf file=odspdf style=sansprinter notoc; ods listing close; /* Add a title with colors */ title j=left c=black 'A Simple PDF' j=center c=red 'With some titles' j=right c=green 'At the top'; /* Create output */ proc print data=sashelp.prdsale (obs=20) noobs; var country region division prodtype product year quarter month actual predict; sum actual predict; run; /* Close ODS destination */ ods pdf close; !! = I like to restrict the location of the filename to the JCL, so I don't accidentally change it in one place but not another, but the file allocation can also be done using SAS FILENAME statements. I agree with the earlier post who thinks that distributing the resulting PDF file through the SAS email engine is the way to go; in that case, you'll need to use the SAS filename option CLOSE=FREE to cause the file to be catalogued before the step is over, or use a separate step for email, or allocate it differently. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis - Analytic Information Services Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
