Re: (fwd) RE: Contractor vs. employee was RE: 3380-3390 Conversion
In addition to the 'Contractor vs. employee' split there is also the 'professional vs company man' comparison Do I do what is best for the people who cut my check, could be a widget maker or a consultant body shop. example: An Enron person going to any length to make his firm look good Do I do what is best for my profession say insist on software service even in location that is change / update resistant. Contractor vs employee professional vs company man both assume the technical person is submissive to some higher authority Given declining job security outsourcing automation Perhaps technical people should be thinking off improving protection of there personal needs / rights instead of what ever big brother happens to be mentioned. Time has come where the places we do work should be regarded as Clients rather than Masters. Avram Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:39 -0500, Richard Tsujimoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clark wrote: Having read Bob Shannon's comment about contractors breaking the watch, have I been elevated to the lofty category of consultant because I normally didn't break the programs or system? If it weren't for Bob's great service to SHARE and to the field, I might really get annoyed. Having been a consultant/contractor for over 26 years (I did try being an employee for about 8 yrs), I've learned to accept the sniping - it goes with the territory. It's pointless to get into a pissing match. In truth, there's incompetency on both sides of the fence, as well as some very good people. But, I do take exception to that comment about the difference between a consultant and contractor. A contractor would simply pocket the watch after telling the customer the time. We're a lot more subtle than consultants. grin -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: (fwd) RE: Contractor vs. employee was RE: 3380-3390 Conversion
Clark wrote: Having read Bob Shannon's comment about contractors breaking the watch, have I been elevated to the lofty category of consultant because I normally didn't break the programs or system? If it weren't for Bob's great service to SHARE and to the field, I might really get annoyed. Having been a consultant/contractor for over 26 years (I did try being an employee for about 8 yrs), I've learned to accept the sniping - it goes with the territory. It's pointless to get into a pissing match. In truth, there's incompetency on both sides of the fence, as well as some very good people. But, I do take exception to that comment about the difference between a consultant and contractor. A contractor would simply pocket the watch after telling the customer the time. We're a lot more subtle than consultants. grin -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: (fwd) RE: Contractor vs. employee was RE: 3380-3390 Conversion
Having read Bob Shannon's comment about contractors breaking the watch, have I been elevated to the lofty category of consultant because I normally didn't break the programs or system? If it weren't for Bob's great service to SHARE and to the field, I might really get annoyed. Sorry, but I did not make those comments. I presume they were made by another Bob with SHARE experience. Bob Shannon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
(fwd) RE: Contractor vs. employee was RE: 3380-3390 Conversion
On 22 Mar 2006 09:36:09 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chase, John) wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Clark Morris [ snip ] Basically I'm decent at borrowing the client's watch to tell them the time. And ya gotta remember to keep the watch after you bill the client for half the national debt, too. :-D The billing rate wasn't that high and on that contract I was one of the few application programmers who knew what the CBT tape was (and shared it with the systems group). I also helped guide a successful conversion to LE and then COBOL for MVS and VM. I made heavy use of the SMF tapes and got the systems group to increase the number of generations and got an Oh, OK to my response to their asking why I was using the SMF tape so much. It was also interesting that another consultancy firm on the Y2K project with me supplied both some people for whom I had the highest respect and at least one who I wondered how much he knew. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
(fwd) RE: Contractor vs. employee was RE: 3380-3390 Conversion
On 22 Mar 2006 09:09:38 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg Shirey) wrote: Let's not forget the difference between contractor consultant: http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0006L=ibm-mainD=0I=1P=240952 Greg Having read Bob Shannon's comment about contractors breaking the watch, have I been elevated to the lofty category of consultant because I normally didn't break the programs or system? If it weren't for Bob's great service to SHARE and to the field, I might really get annoyed. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:55 AM snip Basically I'm decent at borrowing the client's watch to tell them the time. (Also the CBT tape watch). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
