Re: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore
Still on z/OS 1.10. 1.12 is in the works, but due to a problem caused by lack of a maintenance contract, we need to be off of a vendor product before we can convert. Somewhat on topic to this is an interesting discovery I made. If you do a logical dump of a multivolume VSAM KSDS using ADRDSSU, and then do a RESTORE from this with an OUTDYNAM((onevol)), ADRDSSU puts out an ADR390I message about UNMATCHED SIZE and attempt to reallocate the dataset with a new SPACE parameter equal to the sum of the size of all the extents. In our case, this was 7400 cylinders. Which cannot fit on a single 3390-3 volume. So we get some SMS messages about space contraint release being invoked. The LISTCAT on the KSDS now shows a primary space of 7400 cylinders instead of the original value. But all seems well. AT THIS TIME. However, if you then do another logical dump of this KSDS, the restore of that second dump __fails__ with an allocation error about not having any volume with sufficient free space (well, duh! No 3390-3 will ever have 7400 cylinders of free space). In this second case, space constraint release is not invoked. Most weird. If you prealloca! te the output file with the original SPACE parameters and remove the OUTDYNAM, then the RESTORE works correctly and, even better, does not change the space allocation parameters. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Eells Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore If you're on z/OS R12, you might consider using CA Reclaim rather than re-orging KSDSs. McKown, John wrote: I've been asked a question that I can't find the answer to. We are dumping VSAM KSDSes using ADRDSSU in logical dump mode. We then do a RESTORE. Does this reorganized the file, removing CA and CI splits and compressing the data back in physical/logical order? Or is it more like a physical restore of CAs or tracks? John McKown snip -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie ee...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore
I've been asked a question that I can't find the answer to. We are dumping VSAM KSDSes using ADRDSSU in logical dump mode. We then do a RESTORE. Does this reorganized the file, removing CA and CI splits and compressing the data back in physical/logical order? Or is it more like a physical restore of CAs or tracks? John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore
W dniu 2011-10-12 14:41, McKown, John pisze: I've been asked a question that I can't find the answer to. We are dumping VSAM KSDSes using ADRDSSU in logical dump mode. We then do a RESTORE. Does this reorganized the file, removing CA and CI splits and compressing the data back in physical/logical order? Or is it more like a physical restore of CAs or tracks? Yes, it does. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2011 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.346.696 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore
A Listcat of the restored file should answer that question. I think Idcams Export/Import is invoked under the covers but I could be mistaken about that. -Original Message- From: McKown, John [mailto:john.mck...@healthmarkets.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore I've been asked a question that I can't find the answer to. We are dumping VSAM KSDSes using ADRDSSU in logical dump mode. We then do a RESTORE. Does this reorganized the file, removing CA and CI splits and compressing the data back in physical/logical order? Or is it more like a physical restore of CAs or tracks? John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John I've been asked a question that I can't find the answer to. We are dumping VSAM KSDSes using ADRDSSU in logical dump mode. We then do a RESTORE. Does this reorganized the file, removing CA and CI splits and compressing the data back in physical/logical order? Or is it more like a physical restore of CAs or tracks? What does a LISTCAT of a restored dataset show? The CI and CA split counts are in the statistics output. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore
Thanks. The problem is that this is done in a production job and it doesn't have a LISTCAT in it before and after the restore, so I couldn't answer. And updating production JCL is a PITA. Less than a minute to update, 4 days to process the change request (minimum of 4 approvals required). -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore A Listcat of the restored file should answer that question. I think Idcams Export/Import is invoked under the covers but I could be mistaken about that. -Original Message- From: McKown, John [mailto:john.mck...@healthmarkets.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore I've been asked a question that I can't find the answer to. We are dumping VSAM KSDSes using ADRDSSU in logical dump mode. We then do a RESTORE. Does this reorganized the file, removing CA and CI splits and compressing the data back in physical/logical order? Or is it more like a physical restore of CAs or tracks? John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore
If the file had CA/CI splits before the backup and had none after the restore then the file has been re-org'd. Listcat ent(/) all output: STATISTICS REC-TOTAL368 SPLITS-CI--0 --30 REC-DELETED---18 SPLITS-CA--0 ---1 -Original Message- From: Chase, John [mailto:jch...@ussco.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John I've been asked a question that I can't find the answer to. We are dumping VSAM KSDSes using ADRDSSU in logical dump mode. We then do a RESTORE. Does this reorganized the file, removing CA and CI splits and compressing the data back in physical/logical order? Or is it more like a physical restore of CAs or tracks? What does a LISTCAT of a restored dataset show? The CI and CA split counts are in the statistics output. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore
Are you able to Listcat ent(/) all From ISPF 3.4 screen? -Original Message- From: McKown, John [mailto:john.mck...@healthmarkets.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore Thanks. The problem is that this is done in a production job and it doesn't have a LISTCAT in it before and after the restore, so I couldn't answer. And updating production JCL is a PITA. Less than a minute to update, 4 days to process the change request (minimum of 4 approvals required). -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore A Listcat of the restored file should answer that question. I think Idcams Export/Import is invoked under the covers but I could be mistaken about that. -Original Message- From: McKown, John [mailto:john.mck...@healthmarkets.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore I've been asked a question that I can't find the answer to. We are dumping VSAM KSDSes using ADRDSSU in logical dump mode. We then do a RESTORE. Does this reorganized the file, removing CA and CI splits and compressing the data back in physical/logical order? Or is it more like a physical restore of CAs or tracks? John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore
Well, yes, but these files are so highly active that they get splits almost instantly. And I needed a right now type answer, not enough time to do a dump/restore-to-another-dsn. I have my answer, thanks to all! -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore Are you able to Listcat ent(/) all From ISPF 3.4 screen? -Original Message- From: McKown, John [mailto:john.mck...@healthmarkets.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore Thanks. The problem is that this is done in a production job and it doesn't have a LISTCAT in it before and after the restore, so I couldn't answer. And updating production JCL is a PITA. Less than a minute to update, 4 days to process the change request (minimum of 4 approvals required). -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 7:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore A Listcat of the restored file should answer that question. I think Idcams Export/Import is invoked under the covers but I could be mistaken about that. -Original Message- From: McKown, John [mailto:john.mck...@healthmarkets.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore I've been asked a question that I can't find the answer to. We are dumping VSAM KSDSes using ADRDSSU in logical dump mode. We then do a RESTORE. Does this reorganized the file, removing CA and CI splits and compressing the data back in physical/logical order? Or is it more like a physical restore of CAs or tracks? John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access
Re: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:41:49 -0500, McKown, John wrote: I've been asked a question that I can't find the answer to. We are dumping VSAM KSDSes using ADRDSSU in logical dump mode. We then do a RESTORE. Does this reorganized the file, removing CA and CI splits and compressing the data back in physical/logical order? Or is it more like a physical restore of CAs or tracks? Reorganized if you restore a logical dump with VALIDATE. VALIDATE is the default. http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/DGT2U290/2.3.10.5.49?SHELF=dgt2bka0DT=20100623212334CASE= 3. When a data set is restored, the free space in the control areas and control intervals are reset to the values in the catalog entry. You can override the values in the catalog entry by specifying the FREESPACE keyword on the restore. Norbert Friemel -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ADRDSSU logical dump of VSAM restore
If you're on z/OS R12, you might consider using CA Reclaim rather than re-orging KSDSs. McKown, John wrote: I've been asked a question that I can't find the answer to. We are dumping VSAM KSDSes using ADRDSSU in logical dump mode. We then do a RESTORE. Does this reorganized the file, removing CA and CI splits and compressing the data back in physical/logical order? Or is it more like a physical restore of CAs or tracks? John McKown snip -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie ee...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
