Re: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed
On 15 Sep 2009 13:36:47 -0700, aguto...@ford.com (Arthur Gutowski) wrote: On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:57:40 -0500, Tom Moulder tom_moul...@1scom.net wrote: You laugh ... I am working with a company that literally did this. They shipped a very large disk array to the central computing center and placed it next to the production array; synchronously copied all the data; found a quiet point on a Sunday morning and split the link; uncabled the array; shipped it across country to the BC site (Business Continuity now, not Disaster Recovery); they are in the process of cabling it up; will turn it on next weekend and away with go with a recovery drill. I didn't write the cost/benefit analysis for this. Tom Moulder BTDTGTTS. We completed a divestiture using this method a few years ago, with a measure of success, actually. A long and painful experience, but we got through it. The hard part here is determining which method is more reliable. Either way, backups are essential. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Using RFC 1149? Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers Above page also describes shortly what actually happened. FYI, that pigeon's name is Winston. ;-D More info: http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/internet/2009/0909091636.asp? S=BroadbandA=BROO=FRGN (Watch the wrap!) Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed
They didn't use RFC 1149, which specifies The IP datagram is printed, on a small scroll of paper, in hexadecimal, with each octet separated by whitestuff and blackstuff. As so often happens, technology outraces standards. -- Jack Hamilton Management Information Analysis Kaiser Foundation Health Plan, Inc. 1950 Franklin Street, Oakland, California 94612 +1 510 987-1556 (KP tieline 8-427-1556) NOTE: This email document and attachments are covered by CA Evidence Code §1157 and CA Health and Safety Code §1370. NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 09/14/2009 01:10 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: [IBM-MAIN] Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed In a30a9f528e618748a8ef5199e80c4a1c69a...@wkpp1infmb03.cbsh.com, on 09/11/2009 at 02:00 PM, Kelman, Tom thomas.kel...@commercebank.com said: Subject: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed Using RFC 1149? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:57:40 -0500, Tom Moulder tom_moul...@1scom.net wrote: You laugh ... I am working with a company that literally did this. They shipped a very large disk array to the central computing center and placed it next to the production array; synchronously copied all the data; found a quiet point on a Sunday morning and split the link; uncabled the array; shipped it across country to the BC site (Business Continuity now, not Disaster Recovery); they are in the process of cabling it up; will turn it on next weekend and away with go with a recovery drill. I didn't write the cost/benefit analysis for this. Tom Moulder BTDTGTTS. We completed a divestiture using this method a few years ago, with a measure of success, actually. A long and painful experience, but we got through it. Cheers, Art Gutowski Ford Motor Company -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed
On 11 Sep 2009 18:59:04 -0700, tom_moul...@1scom.net (Tom Moulder) wrote: I am working with a company that literally did this. They shipped a very large disk array to the central computing center and placed it next to the production array; synchronously copied all the data; found a quiet point on a Sunday morning and split the link; uncabled the array; shipped it across country to the BC site (Business Continuity now, not Disaster Recovery); they are in the process of cabling it up; will turn it on next weekend and away with go with a recovery drill. Heck, I find it more reliable to synchronize the files I need between home and work using my iPod as a medium than using the on-line disk storage I pay for. My batch update takes seconds to my iPod and always completes. The on-line update takes 5-10 minutes if it finishes at all. Sneaker-net has had quite a bit of success over the years. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed
In a30a9f528e618748a8ef5199e80c4a1c69a...@wkpp1infmb03.cbsh.com, on 09/11/2009 at 02:00 PM, Kelman, Tom thomas.kel...@commercebank.com said: Subject: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed Using RFC 1149? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:57:40 -0500, Tom Moulder tom_moul...@1scom.net wrote: You laugh ... I am working with a company that literally did this. They shipped a very large disk array to the central computing center and placed it next to the production array; synchronously copied all the data; found a quiet point on a Sunday morning and split the link; uncabled the array; shipped it across country to the BC site (Business Continuity now, not Disaster Recovery); they are in the process of cabling it up; will turn it on next weekend and away with go with a recovery drill. This is a common practice used in data center moves also. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed
I know this isn't actually a mainframe topic, but it is computer related and kind of funny. I'm just glad I'm not a performance analyst for Telkom. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090910/od_nm/us_safrica_pigeon Tom Kelman Enterprise Capacity Planner Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 * If you wish to communicate securely with Commerce Bank and its affiliates, you must log into your account under Online Services at http://www.commercebank.com or use the Commerce Bank Secure Email Message Center at https://securemail.commercebank.com NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system. * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed
P S wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: And, airfare from Japan to the U.S. isn't free... ? Not trying to be confrontational, but what does that have to do with it? Cost/benefit analysis... -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: And, airfare from Japan to the U.S. isn't free... ? Not trying to be confrontational, but what does that have to do with it? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Kelman, Tom thomas.kel...@commercebank.com wrote: I know this isn't actually a mainframe topic, but it is computer related and kind of funny. I'm just glad I'm not a performance analyst for Telkom. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090910/od_nm/us_safrica_pigeon Cute, but not so dramatic. In 2001, I was doing a gig, and one of the things they asked about was transferring a 100TB disk array from Japan to the US. They were thinking of renting a 1GB line, but that was pretty expensive. I did a quick calculation and pointed out that if they could shut it down, unship it, get it on a plane, fly it to the US, and plug it back in over a 24-hour period, that was about the same throughput… (Of course, if the plane went down, they were out of business!) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed
P S wrote: Cute, but not so dramatic. In 2001, I was doing a gig, and one of the things they asked about was transferring a 100TB disk array from Japan to the US. They were thinking of renting a 1GB line, but that was pretty expensive. I did a quick calculation and pointed out that if they could shut it down, unship it, get it on a plane, fly it to the US, and plug it back in over a 24-hour period, that was about the same throughput… (Of course, if the plane went down, they were out of business!) And, airfare from Japan to the U.S. isn't free... -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: Cost/benefit analysis... Ah. Well, still cheaper than a 1Gbit/sec line for 24 hours... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed
You laugh ... I am working with a company that literally did this. They shipped a very large disk array to the central computing center and placed it next to the production array; synchronously copied all the data; found a quiet point on a Sunday morning and split the link; uncabled the array; shipped it across country to the BC site (Business Continuity now, not Disaster Recovery); they are in the process of cabling it up; will turn it on next weekend and away with go with a recovery drill. I didn't write the cost/benefit analysis for this. Tom Moulder P S wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: Cost/benefit analysis... Ah. Well, still cheaper than a 1Gbit/sec line for 24 hours... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed
At 17:02 -0400 on 09/11/2009, P S wrote about Re: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Kelman, Tom thomas.kel...@commercebank.com wrote: I know this isn't actually a mainframe topic, but it is computer related and kind of funny. I'm just glad I'm not a performance analyst for Telkom. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090910/od_nm/us_safrica_pigeon Cute, but not so dramatic. In 2001, I was doing a gig, and one of the things they asked about was transferring a 100TB disk array from Japan to the US. They were thinking of renting a 1GB line, but that was pretty expensive. I did a quick calculation and pointed out that if they could shut it down, unship it, get it on a plane, fly it to the US, and plug it back in over a 24-hour period, that was about the same throughput (Of course, if the plane went down, they were out of business!) You make a copy of the Drive and send it. Also, what about the backups of the drive you are supposed to be making (if you need to recreate it)? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed
At 14:31 -0700 on 09/11/2009, Edward Jaffe wrote about Re: Carrier Pigeon beats Internet Speed: P S wrote: Cute, but not so dramatic. In 2001, I was doing a gig, and one of the things they asked about was transferring a 100TB disk array from Japan to the US. They were thinking of renting a 1GB line, but that was pretty expensive. I did a quick calculation and pointed out that if they could shut it down, unship it, get it on a plane, fly it to the US, and plug it back in over a 24-hour period, that was about the same throughput (Of course, if the plane went down, they were out of business!) And, airfare from Japan to the U.S. isn't free... Only if it is being hand copied as opposed to being shipped. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
