Re: Distance between primary and DR site
So that’s the real reason for global warming. and not the big v8's :-) Phil www.zostek.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Berg Sent: 18 August 2007 19:54 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Distance between primary and DR site To add to this slightly OT headed thread: the sun will slowly increase it's output of energy and after 500 million years make the life on earth impossible due to the increased temperature. Thomas Berg No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/961 - Release Date: 19/08/2007 07:27 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site
Since they have already discovered life that thrives in or requires near boiling water, I believe the definition of livable temperature range is undergoing significant expansion. -Original Message- From: Thomas Berg [mailto:snip] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Distance between primary and DR site To add to this slightly OT headed thread: the sun will slowly increase it's output of energy and after 500 million years make the life on earth impossible due to the increased temperature. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Berg Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 1:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Distance between primary and DR site SNIP To add to this slightly OT headed thread: the sun will slowly increase it's output of energy and after 500 million years make the life on earth impossible due to the increased temperature. SNIP So that means that my wife's SUV really isn't causing global warming? The sun is slowly getting hotter. Wow, wait 'till Al get that piece of unfortunate truth, or fact or something. Later, Steve.T Opinions expressed by me are my own. My wife approved this statement. This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information that may be confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender by reply e-mail immediately. Use, disclosure or reproduction of any information in this e-mail by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. Sterling Commerce is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from transmission of the message or use of its attachments. This email may contain links to third party web sites. Sterling Commerce is not responsible for the content or privacy policies of such other sites and the existence of a link in this email does not imply an endorsement of the linked web site or the goods or services offered therein. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site
Thompson, Steve wrote: So that means that my wife's SUV really isn't causing global warming? The sun is slowly getting hotter. Wow, wait 'till Al get that piece of unfortunate truth, or fact or something. Your wife's SUV (and mine) may make the difference whether humans will be there to watch the sun swallow the earth. What seems required is a DR site outside the solar system, perhaps linked to the primary with quantum entanglement? Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT new e-mail address: gerhardp (at) charter (dot) net -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site
== Ed Gould == wrote2007-08-17 22:48: On Aug 17, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/05/2007 at 08:42 AM, Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I take it that you have not considered the possibility of a supernova. The Sun is a yellow dwarf; going supernova is not an option. However, much less significant misbehavior could still put paid to us. Agreed. I saw a science show and was informed that in 4.5 Billion years our galaxy was going to collide with Andromida galaxy (Sp?) .. Talk about long term positioning. I think there was also some indication that was just about the same time the sun would die. So take your pick ... To add to this slightly OT headed thread: the sun will slowly increase it's output of energy and after 500 million years make the life on earth impossible due to the increased temperature. Thomas Berg -- __ Mundus Vult Decipi __ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin Military justice is to justice what military music is to music. - Groucho Marx -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/04/2007 at 07:40 PM, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Well, you have to admit that it does have no common points of failure. 8-) Sun. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/05/2007 at 08:42 AM, Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I take it that you have not considered the possibility of a supernova. The Sun is a yellow dwarf; going supernova is not an option. However, much less significant misbehavior could still put paid to us. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site
On Aug 17, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/05/2007 at 08:42 AM, Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I take it that you have not considered the possibility of a supernova. The Sun is a yellow dwarf; going supernova is not an option. However, much less significant misbehavior could still put paid to us. Agreed. I saw a science show and was informed that in 4.5 Billion years our galaxy was going to collide with Andromida galaxy (Sp?) .. Talk about long term positioning. I think there was also some indication that was just about the same time the sun would die. So take your pick ... Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FW: Distance between primary and DR site
Howard Brazee wrote: Computerworld July 16 had an article about a State of Tennessee data center built on top of a landfill and below the largest US reservoir east of the Mississippi - held by an unsafe dam. Parts of the center are sinking. Use your brain and do your homework in setting your data center sites. That's obvious example of bad planning. However sometimes you can get similar (bad) results without so spectacular mistakes. I.e. You built up your centre, and then neighbouring factory is sold, and new owner plans to make a big gas factory. You cannot forbid new owner to do that. However now disaster risk is much higher than it was. That's *real* example. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2007 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci opacony) wynosi 118.064.140 z. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchwa XVI WZ z dnia 21.05.2003 r., kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 118.760.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FW: Distance between primary and DR site
Computerworld July 16 had an article about a State of Tennessee data center built on top of a landfill and below the largest US reservoir east of the Mississippi - held by an unsafe dam. Parts of the center are sinking. Unbelievable. Almost. So in sum: The state located its data center on top of unstable, jiggly ground near a railroad and in a floodplain. http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId=9026842 - or - http://tinyurl.com/3bdof4 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site ( to the moon )
But is the first to go in flames when sun expands... == McKown, John == wrote2007-08-08 17:26: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Lyon Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Distance between primary and DR site ( to the moon ) I have an acre of land on the moon that I am willing to outsource as a datacenter hotsite. Please inquire within. I have the ultimate hot site, located on Mercury. Guaranteed 100% green energy usage via Solar Power! -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- __ Mundus Vult Decipi __ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin Military justice is to justice what military music is to music. - Groucho Marx -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site ( to the moon )
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Berg Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Distance between primary and DR site ( to the moon ) But is the first to go in flames when sun expands... True. But that's where the cold site situated on Pluto comes in! The two sites are kept in sync via Quantum Entanglement. I just know that I'm gonna be NOPOST'ed one of these days. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site
Plus if I take my personal automobile to a DR test I get paid for mileage. Ken G. David Boyes wrote: The Pacific Ocean is nearby, I guess we'll have to build the DR where? On the Moon !! *That* would be a serious DR site ! Well, you have to admit that it does have no common points of failure. 8-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site ( to the moon )
Maarten, if the vehicle can reach the velocity of 7 mi/s, could Ken not just coast most of the way therefore making millions of dollars in milage. g Thanks, Fletch snip Ken, Is your car able to reach a velocity of ~6.96 mi/s? Furthermore, I hope the pay for mileage ( ~230.000 miles ) covers the fuelcost ;) -- Maarten Slegtenhorst Ken wrote: Plus if I take my personal automobile to a DR test I get paid for mileage. Ken G. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site ( to the moon )
Ken, Is your car able to reach a velocity of ~6.96 mi/s? Furthermore, I hope the pay for mileage ( ~230.000 miles ) covers the fuelcost ;) -- Maarten Slegtenhorst Ken wrote: Plus if I take my personal automobile to a DR test I get paid for mileage. Ken G. - ATTENTION: The information in this electronic mail message is private and confidential, and only intended for the addressee. Should you receive this message by mistake, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or opening it. Messages and attachments are scanned for all viruses known. If this message contains password-protected attachments, the files have NOT been scanned for viruses by the ING mail domain. Always scan attachments before opening them. - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site ( to the moon )
Maarten Slegtenhorst wrote: Ken, Is your car able to reach a velocity of ~6.96 mi/s? Furthermore, I hope the pay for mileage ( ~230.000 miles ) covers the fuelcost ;) Not to mention the cost of the conversion kit to run your engine on liquid hydrogen and liguid oxygen! :-D -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site ( to the moon )
I have an acre of land on the moon that I am willing to outsource as a datacenter hotsite. Please inquire within. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site ( to the moon )
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Lyon Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Distance between primary and DR site ( to the moon ) I have an acre of land on the moon that I am willing to outsource as a datacenter hotsite. Please inquire within. I have the ultimate hot site, located on Mercury. Guaranteed 100% green energy usage via Solar Power! -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site ( to the moon )
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:26:37 -0500, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Lyon Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Distance between primary and DR site ( to the moon ) I have an acre of land on the moon that I am willing to outsource as a datacenter hotsite. Please inquire within. I have the ultimate hot site, located on Mercury. Guaranteed 100% green energy usage via Solar Power! -- John McKown The cost of convienence has you beat John. 384,402 km 77,269,900 km -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site ( to the moon )
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Patrick Lyon I have an acre of land on the moon that I am willing to outsource as a datacenter hotsite. Please inquire within. I have the ultimate hot site, located on Mercury. Guaranteed 100% green energy usage via Solar Power! I have virtually infinite space available in the supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy. Only 30,000 light-years away... :-) Now, back to reality -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site ( to the moon )
McKown, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Lyon Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Distance between primary and DR site ( to the moon ) I have an acre of land on the moon that I am willing to outsource as a datacenter hotsite. Please inquire within. I have the ultimate hot site, located on Mercury. Guaranteed 100% green energy usage via Solar Power! -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology Air Conditioning might be a problem however. The mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean surface temperature http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature of Mercury is 452 K http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin (353.9 °F, 178.9 °C), but it ranges from 90 K (−297.7 °F, −183.2 °C) to 700 K (800.3 °F, 426.9 °C), due to the absence of an atmosphere. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. -- Mark Jacobs Technical Services Time Customer Service - Tampa, FL -- Well,art is art,isn't it? Still,on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know. -- Julius (Groucho) Henry Marx -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site ( Doctor Who)
Of course if we had Doctor Who's TARDIS, then we could just travel back in time just before the event, collect our data, then scoot back up to the future timeline (after the data center is rebuilt) and just unload our data. Up and running in minutes not days. Lizette I have an acre of land on the moon that I am willing to outsource as a datacenter hotsite. Please inquire within. I have the ultimate hot site, located on Mercury. Guaranteed 100% green energy usage via Solar Power! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site ( Doctor Who)
snip Of course if we had Doctor Who's TARDIS, then we could just travel back in time just before the event, collect our data, then scoot back up to the future timeline (after the data center is rebuilt) and just unload our data. Up and running in minutes not days. Lizette /snip with the hardware upgrade of the TARDIS and the additional staff of a time lord, could we not just go back in time and prevent the disaster? those pesky Daleks always messing with things. g Fletch -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FW: Distance between primary and DR site
Computerworld July 16 had an article about a State of Tennessee data center built on top of a landfill and below the largest US reservoir east of the Mississippi - held by an unsafe dam. Parts of the center are sinking. Use your brain and do your homework in setting your data center sites. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site
On Aug 8, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Ken Gunther wrote: Plus if I take my personal automobile to a DR test I get paid for mileage. Ken G. Ken: Not all the time. At one place I worked they would only give you the money *IF* you had a checking account at the bank that had the DR test. Ed David Boyes wrote: The Pacific Ocean is nearby, I guess we'll have to build the DR where? On the Moon !! *That* would be a serious DR site ! Well, you have to admit that it does have no common points of failure. 8-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site
. And this thread has gone so far off the edge... that we really care ? No offense, Folks -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 7:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Distance between primary and DR site On Aug 8, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Ken Gunther wrote: Plus if I take my personal automobile to a DR test I get paid for mileage. Ken G. Ken: Not all the time. At one place I worked they would only give you the money *IF* you had a checking account at the bank that had the DR test. Ed David Boyes wrote: The Pacific Ocean is nearby, I guess we'll have to build the DR where? On the Moon !! *That* would be a serious DR site ! Well, you have to admit that it does have no common points of failure. 8-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site
Ed Gould wrote: On Aug 3, 2007, at 7:21 AM, Mark Jacobs wrote: Transmission time from the earth to the moon might be a problem however. :-) Dr WHo got around the issue with no problem :) Ed Yes, but its really not practical to send data via the Tardis however. :-) -- Mark Jacobs Technical Services Time Customer Service - Tampa, FL -- Well,art is art,isn't it? Still,on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know. -- Julius (Groucho) Henry Marx -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gillis [ snip ] Get serious fella. Birdsville sounds good - see you at the pub. Shane ... If global warming causes sea levels to rise 160 feet Birdsville will be underwater, which would be unique experience for the town. Some of the other facilities needed are also a little short in Birdsville, but they can cater for up to 6000 visitors in a single weekend. Hmmm This Birdsville sounds a bit like Sturgis :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Subject: Re: Distance between primary and DR site
From:Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I take it that you have not considered the possibility of a supernova. Actually, I did, a the back-of-the-envelope risk analysis indicated that the likely delay of 6.2 million years before likely exposure was deemed acceptable, interstellar terrorism by the Romulan Empire and Vogon constructor fleets notwithstanding. Random acts of God, terrorist actions, and takings of condemnation by the local interstellar planning commission aren't within my design portfolio, and are excluded liabilities in the usual commercial terms and conditions under US contract law. Now go to the back of the class. Oh, goody. Time to ignore the poor plodder at the front of the class and catch up on the remaining Horace and Catullus I haven't read yet. Nobody gets hassled for not paying attention if you're reading stuff in Latin. 8-) Worked all through high school, probably still works now...8-) -- db -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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You forgot the Borg! snip Actually, I did, a the back-of-the-envelope risk analysis indicated that the likely delay of 6.2 million years before likely exposure was deemed acceptable, interstellar terrorism by the Romulan Empire and Vogon constructor fleets notwithstanding. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Subject: Re: Distance between primary and DR site
snip Actually, I did, a the back-of-the-envelope risk analysis indicated that the likely delay of 6.2 million years before likely exposure was deemed acceptable, interstellar terrorism by the Romulan Empire and Vogon constructor fleets notwithstanding. Random acts of God, terrorist actions, and takings of condemnation by the local interstellar planning commission aren't within my design portfolio, and are excluded liabilities in the usual commercial terms and conditions under US contract law. Now go to the back of the class. Oh, goody. Time to ignore the poor plodder at the front of the class and catch up on the remaining Horace and Catullus I haven't read yet. Nobody gets hassled for not paying attention if you're reading stuff in Latin. 8-) Worked all through high school, probably still works now...8-) unsnip--- I spent my time reading Plato and Democratus, in the original Greek! :-D -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Subject: Re: Distance between primary and DR site
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Distance between primary and DR site snip I spent my time reading Plato and Democratus, in the original Greek! :-D I read Knuth. In the original Geek! -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site
On Aug 6, 2007, at 6:32 AM, Mark Jacobs wrote: Yes, but its really not practical to send data via the Tardis however. :-) -- --snip-- Sure it is the inside of he TARDIS is infinitely large, so the bit rate is larger than anything that is currently available:) Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 07:18:31 -0500, Chase, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gillis [ snip ] Get serious fella. Birdsville sounds good - see you at the pub. Shane ... If global warming causes sea levels to rise 160 feet Birdsville will be underwater, which would be unique experience for the town. Some of the other facilities needed are also a little short in Birdsville, but they can cater for up to 6000 visitors in a single weekend. Hmmm This Birdsville sounds a bit like Sturgis :-) Yeah, but who'd want to hang out and look at a bunch of old rusted out pickup trucks. You can see the chrome in Sturgis from the space station. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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snip If there was water nearby, you should be at least 2.5 times the width of the body of water. /snip The Pacific Ocean is nearby, I guess we'll have to build the DR where? On the Moon !! Get serious fella. Birdsville sounds good - see you at the pub. Shane ... If global warming causes sea levels to rise 160 feet Birdsville will be underwater, which would be unique experience for the town. Some of the other facilities needed are also a little short in Birdsville, but they can cater for up to 6000 visitors in a single weekend. Paul Gillis -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Distance between primary and DR site
Flooding is different than a river overflowing its banks. Flooding can occur by heavy rains in an area where the water can not drain out as quick as it comes in. The oceans are not going to overflow their banks as sea level is deemed to be the place where water flows down to, they can rise as the glaciers melt raising the point considered sea level. Tides and weather conditions, as well as Tsunamis, will alter the height of waves and cause local flooding. So if you are truly concerned about being near the Pacific, height is more important than distance. I believe the 2.5 times the width of the river is relative to how overflowing the banks affects the immediate local area. Common sense (held by the minority) dictates you do not choose a location 2.5 times away from the river and at a lower elevation where the water is going to flow. There are many factors to consider. If you end up using the same power source that is taken out by the flooding than distance was not your saving factor. I am near a section of the Boise River that goes through some canyons and you could be just on the other side of them and safe. If it rises hundreds of feet to overflow the banks than the world is in big trouble and you would not be doing to DR. Downstream there are no canyons and it becomes more of a plain and flooding could go well beyond the 2.5 recommendation. Do not look for a magic number, analyze your area and risks and the distance will come to you. IBM once had a manual showing areas of high occurrences of lightning strikes as part of where to build your data center. Current knowledge shows the moon will not have flooding problems. Network latency might be a tad long. On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 13:40:13 +1000, FRASER, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's a bit flood prone out at Birdsville. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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The Pacific Ocean is nearby, I guess we'll have to build the DR where? On the Moon !! *That* would be a serious DR site ! Well, you have to admit that it does have no common points of failure. 8-) As far as Brian's concerned, I'd suggest Canberra or Alice Springs. Not quite the moon, but you can see it from there. 8-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 19:40:11 -0400 David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : The Pacific Ocean is nearby, I guess we'll have to build the DR :where? : On the Moon !! : *That* would be a serious DR site ! :Well, you have to admit that it does have no common points of failure. :8-) I take it that you have not considered the possibility of a supernova. Now go to the back of the class. :As far as Brian's concerned, I'd suggest Canberra or Alice Springs. Not :quite the moon, but you can see it from there. 8-) -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: David Boyes Sent: Fri 8/3/2007 6:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: David Boyes Subject: Distance between primary and DR site If you can't afford (or your bosses are too cheap) to do a full risk study, I use what I call the Greek Elements model: Consider the classical Greek elements: Earth, Air, Fire, and Water, plus the modern element, plasma. A good general ROT is that your DR site should be no closer than 2.5 times the diameter of the largest possible disaster that could occur in the area. If there are earth problems (quakes, slides, etc), your backup center should be at least 2.5 times the distance from the center of the last major problem. If there are wind problems (high winds, tornados, etc), you should be at least 2.5 times the diameter of the largest storm destruction area recorded. If there are fire problems in the area, you should be at least 2.5 times the distance of the diameter of the largest fire recorded in the area. If there was water nearby, you should be at least 2.5 times the width of the body of water. To avoid nuclear burst areas (the plasma element), assume 100 mile burst radius, and apply the 2.5 rule. If there are multiple hazards, the rule applied should reflect the largest hazard. Example: if the area gets hurricanes with storm tracks of 100 miles in diameter, your DR center should be no closer than 250 miles away. If your area gets tornadoes with 10 mile destruction paths, your DR center should be no closer than 25 miles away. If there is a dam on a lake 5 miles away, your DR center should be no closer than 12 miles away. Never failed me yet. (I really liked the at least 50 megatons distance response...) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Thomas Berg wrote: == FRASER, Brian == wrote2007-08-03 13:37: snip If there was water nearby, you should be at least 2.5 times the width of the body of water. /snip The Pacific Ocean is nearby, I guess we'll have to build the DR where? On the Moon !! *That* would be a serious DR site ! Transmission time from the earth to the moon might be a problem however. :-) -- Mark Jacobs Technical Services Time Customer Service - Tampa, FL -- The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. -- Julius (Groucho) Henry Marx -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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== FRASER, Brian == wrote2007-08-03 13:37: snip If there was water nearby, you should be at least 2.5 times the width of the body of water. /snip The Pacific Ocean is nearby, I guess we'll have to build the DR where? On the Moon !! *That* would be a serious DR site ! -- __ Mundus Vult Decipi __ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin Military justice is to justice what military music is to music. - Groucho Marx -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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snip If there was water nearby, you should be at least 2.5 times the width of the body of water. /snip The Pacific Ocean is nearby, I guess we'll have to build the DR where? On the Moon !! --- This e-mail is sent by Suncorp-Metway Limited ABN 66 010 831 722 or one of its related entities Suncorp. Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. The content, including attachments, is a confidential communication between Suncorp and the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this e-mail, including attachments, is unauthorised and expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail and any attachments from your system. If this e-mail constitutes a commercial message of a type that you no longer wish to receive please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 21:37 +1000, FRASER, Brian wrote: snip If there was water nearby, you should be at least 2.5 times the width of the body of water. /snip The Pacific Ocean is nearby, I guess we'll have to build the DR where? On the Moon !! Get serious fella. Birdsville sounds good - see you at the pub. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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== Mark Jacobs == wrote2007-08-03 14:21: Thomas Berg wrote: == FRASER, Brian == wrote2007-08-03 13:37: snip If there was water nearby, you should be at least 2.5 times the width of the body of water. /snip The Pacific Ocean is nearby, I guess we'll have to build the DR where? On the Moon !! *That* would be a serious DR site ! Transmission time from the earth to the moon might be a problem however. :-) Not for the Windows generation... ;- -- __ Mundus Vult Decipi __ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin Military justice is to justice what military music is to music. - Groucho Marx -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Aug 3, 2007, at 7:21 AM, Mark Jacobs wrote: Transmission time from the earth to the moon might be a problem however. :-) Dr WHo got around the issue with no problem :) Ed -- Mark Jacobs Technical Services Time Customer Service - Tampa, FL -- The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. -- Julius (Groucho) Henry Marx -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I think it's a bit flood prone out at Birdsville. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Sent: Friday, 3 August 2007 6:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Distance between primary and DR site On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 21:37 +1000, FRASER, Brian wrote: snip If there was water nearby, you should be at least 2.5 times the width of the body of water. /snip The Pacific Ocean is nearby, I guess we'll have to build the DR where? On the Moon !! Get serious fella. Birdsville sounds good - see you at the pub. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html --- This e-mail is sent by Suncorp-Metway Limited ABN 66 010 831 722 or one of its related entities Suncorp. Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. The content, including attachments, is a confidential communication between Suncorp and the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this e-mail, including attachments, is unauthorised and expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail and any attachments from your system. If this e-mail constitutes a commercial message of a type that you no longer wish to receive please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
