Re: Find CLASS and MSGCLASS

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In , on 12/30/2008
   at 12:35 PM, Paul Gilmartin  said:

>Wouldn't it be nice if, like the USERID, default OUTPUT parameters
>(CLASS, DEST, FORMS, etc.) were inherited from the submitting job?

Not only would it be nice, but some of them *are* inherited.
 
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Re: Find CLASS and MSGCLASS

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In , on
12/30/2008
   at 03:23 PM, Yogeetha balasubramanian  said:

>I have always thought about finding the class and the msgclass myself for
>creating our own jobcard. Do someone know how to find them ?

MSGCLASS is inherited. In general you need to find out what your
installation standards call for, which may not be the same as for the
submitting job.
 
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Re: Find CLASS and MSGCLASS

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:25:08 -0600, John McKown wrote:
>
>>I have always thought about finding the class and the msgclass myself for
>>creating our own jobcard. Do someone know how to find them ?
>
>I think what the OP wants is a way to determine the CLASS and MSGCLASS of
>the currently executing job so that they can be used when the currently
>executing job submits other jobs through the INTRDR. IOW, how to propogate
>the CLASS  and MSGCLASS to jobs submitted by this jobs the way that the RACF
>userid is propogated.
>
Wouldn't it be nice if, like the USERID, default OUTPUT parameters
(CLASS, DEST, FORMS, etc.) were inherited from the submitting job?

Ah, well, it's the IBM way.  Once they do something wrong they
can never reverse themselves and do it right.

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Re: Find CLASS and MSGCLASS

[Ed Finnell]

 
In a message dated 12/30/2008 9:58:41 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
sairamyog...@gmail.com writes:

person to get my jobcard :)


>>
This tells you how they're set. It doesn't  tell you which EXITs are invoked 
to assign a JOB a particulater INIT or  MSGCLASS based on resources such as 
TIME, REGION, TAPES, LINES, CARDS,  mmphooies,  etc...




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Re: Find CLASS and MSGCLASS

[Edward Jaffe]

Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote:
I have always thought about finding the class and the msgclass 
myself for creating our own jobcard. Do someone know how to find

them ?



What do you mean by "finding the class and msgclass"?

JES supports 36 jobclasses (i.e. classes) named A thru Z and 
0 thru 9. It is solely up to the installation which jobclasses 
are being used at all and what for.
  


Correction. JES2 supports only 36 job classes, A-Z and 0-9. JES3 
supports up to 255 job classes, with installation-specified mnemonic 
names from 1-8 characters in length. For example, "PRODTAPE".


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Re: Find CLASS and MSGCLASS

[Yogeetha balasubramanian]

I used just the " INIT" command to see the classes being used and was
assuming thats the way to approach this. Now that, all of you made me
understand that it is installation dependant and i better approach a MVS
person to get my jobcard :)

Thanks ALL !!



On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Lizette Koehler wrote:

> As far as I know there is no command to tell you what a jobclass definition
> is for a specific shop.  The system (JES2 or JES3) will have A-Z, 0-9 for
> any job class, msgclass.
>
> The $DJOBCLASS( ) will tell you about a specific class.  For example
>
>  $djobclass(a),long
>   $djobclass(a),long
>   $HASP837 JOBCLASS(A)
>  $HASP837 JOBCLASS(A) ACCT=NO,AUTH=(ALL),BLP=NO,
>  $HASP837 COMMAND=DISPLAY,COPY=NO,
>  $HASP837 DUPL_JOB=DELAY,HOLD=NO,IEFUJP=YES,
>  $HASP837 IEFUSO=YES,JESLOG=(NOSPIN),
>  $HASP837 JOURNAL=YES,LOG=YES,MODE=JES,
>  $HASP837 MSGLEVEL=(0,1),OUTDISP=(,),
>  $HASP837 OUTPUT=YES,PERFORM=000,PGMRNAME=NO,
>  $HASP837 PROCLIB=00,QAFF=(ANY),QHELD=NO,
>  $HASP837 RESTART=NO,REGION=0001M,SCAN=NO,
>  $HASP837 SCHENV=,SWA=ABOVE,TIME=(30,00),
>  $HASP837 TYPE26=YES,TYPE6=YES,XBM=,
>  $HASP837 XEQCOUNT=(MAXIMUM=*,CURRENT=0),
>  $HASP837 XEQMEMBER(IBM1)=(MAXIMUM=*,
>  $HASP837 CURRENT=0)
>
> Shows you the information about Jobclass A.  It does not however tell you
> if this is for long running jobs, production, test and so on.  If that is
> the information you are looking for, you need to find your companies
> documentaion for CLASS and MSGCLASS paramenters. It is possible that it is
> documented in the JES2 parms.  But that may not have kept up with the system
> over time.
>
>
> To code a jobcard you need to know the installations standards.  Once you
> know that, you can code your jobcard.
>
> If this does not help, please provide an example of what you are looking to
> do.
>
> Some tricks to find types of classes, in SDSF issue H ALL with no prefix
> and no owner.  This may show you what jobs have a MSGCLASS that is a HELD
> class.  If you do not have the specific security to see all jobs in the
> system it will not work.
>
> Which INIT command are you using?  Please show an example.
>
> Lizette
>
>
> >
> >Well !! Many installations as Peter mentioned have their own class and
> >msgclass defined for various purpose. In case,i dont have any CLIST/REXX
> >written that gets the jobcard with the CLASS and MSGCLASS values from the
> >installation and when I want to create my own jobcard, where can i find
> the
> >information/values to use for them ?
> >
> >INIT command will show me the CLASS active but i am not sure of the
> >MSGCLASS?  Have always been curious to know
> >
> >On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:55 PM, John McKown  wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:23:37 +0530, Yogeetha balasubramanian
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> >I have always thought about finding the class and the msgclass myself
> for
> >> >creating our own jobcard. Do someone know how to find them ?
> >> >
> >>
> >> I cannot answer your question, but I will rephrase it and expand it.
> >>
> >> I think what the OP wants is a way to determine the CLASS and MSGCLASS
> of
> >> the currently executing job so that they can be used when the currently
> >> executing job submits other jobs through the INTRDR. IOW, how to
> propogate
> >> the CLASS  and MSGCLASS to jobs submitted by this jobs the way that the
> >> RACF
> >> userid is propogated.
> >>
>
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Re: Find CLASS and MSGCLASS

[Lizette Koehler]

As far as I know there is no command to tell you what a jobclass definition is 
for a specific shop.  The system (JES2 or JES3) will have A-Z, 0-9 for any job 
class, msgclass.

The $DJOBCLASS( ) will tell you about a specific class.  For example

 $djobclass(a),long 

   $djobclass(a),long   

   $HASP837 JOBCLASS(A) 

 $HASP837 JOBCLASS(A) ACCT=NO,AUTH=(ALL),BLP=NO,

 $HASP837 COMMAND=DISPLAY,COPY=NO,  

 $HASP837 DUPL_JOB=DELAY,HOLD=NO,IEFUJP=YES,

 $HASP837 IEFUSO=YES,JESLOG=(NOSPIN),   

 $HASP837 JOURNAL=YES,LOG=YES,MODE=JES, 

 $HASP837 MSGLEVEL=(0,1),OUTDISP=(,),   

 $HASP837 OUTPUT=YES,PERFORM=000,PGMRNAME=NO,   

 $HASP837 PROCLIB=00,QAFF=(ANY),QHELD=NO,   

 $HASP837 RESTART=NO,REGION=0001M,SCAN=NO,  

 $HASP837 SCHENV=,SWA=ABOVE,TIME=(30,00),   

 $HASP837 TYPE26=YES,TYPE6=YES,XBM=,

 $HASP837 XEQCOUNT=(MAXIMUM=*,CURRENT=0),   

 $HASP837 XEQMEMBER(IBM1)=(MAXIMUM=*,   

 $HASP837 CURRENT=0)



Shows you the information about Jobclass A.  It does not however tell you if 
this is for long running jobs, production, test and so on.  If that is the 
information you are looking for, you need to find your companies documentaion 
for CLASS and MSGCLASS paramenters. It is possible that it is documented in the 
JES2 parms.  But that may not have kept up with the system over time.


To code a jobcard you need to know the installations standards.  Once you know 
that, you can code your jobcard.

If this does not help, please provide an example of what you are looking to do.

Some tricks to find types of classes, in SDSF issue H ALL with no prefix and no 
owner.  This may show you what jobs have a MSGCLASS that is a HELD class.  If 
you do not have the specific security to see all jobs in the system it will not 
work.

Which INIT command are you using?  Please show an example.

Lizette


>
>Well !! Many installations as Peter mentioned have their own class and
>msgclass defined for various purpose. In case,i dont have any CLIST/REXX
>written that gets the jobcard with the CLASS and MSGCLASS values from the
>installation and when I want to create my own jobcard, where can i find the
>information/values to use for them ?
>
>INIT command will show me the CLASS active but i am not sure of the
>MSGCLASS?  Have always been curious to know
>
>On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:55 PM, John McKown  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:23:37 +0530, Yogeetha balasubramanian
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >I have always thought about finding the class and the msgclass myself for
>> >creating our own jobcard. Do someone know how to find them ?
>> >
>>
>> I cannot answer your question, but I will rephrase it and expand it.
>>
>> I think what the OP wants is a way to determine the CLASS and MSGCLASS of
>> the currently executing job so that they can be used when the currently
>> executing job submits other jobs through the INTRDR. IOW, how to propogate
>> the CLASS  and MSGCLASS to jobs submitted by this jobs the way that the
>> RACF
>> userid is propogated.
>>

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Re: Find CLASS and MSGCLASS

[Tom Marchant]

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:26:34 +0530, Yogeetha balasubramanian wrote:

>Well !! Many installations as Peter mentioned have their own class and
>msgclass defined for various purpose. In case,i dont have any CLIST/REXX
>written that gets the jobcard with the CLASS and MSGCLASS values from the
>installation and when I want to create my own jobcard, where can i find the
>information/values to use for them ?
>
>INIT command will show me the CLASS active but i am not sure of the
>MSGCLASS?  Have always been curious to know

MSGCLASS is the SYSOUT class to use for the job log.  You can list the
sysout classes in a JES2 system with $d outclass.

INIT command in SDSF will show active JES managed initiators but it will not
tell you what class is appropriate for you to use.  It also will not tell
you about WLM managed initiators.  You really need to consult with your
site's standards documentation for the correct information.

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Re: Find CLASS and MSGCLASS

[Yogeetha balasubramanian]

Well !! Many installations as Peter mentioned have their own class and
msgclass defined for various purpose. In case,i dont have any CLIST/REXX
written that gets the jobcard with the CLASS and MSGCLASS values from the
installation and when I want to create my own jobcard, where can i find the
information/values to use for them ?

INIT command will show me the CLASS active but i am not sure of the
MSGCLASS?  Have always been curious to know

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 7:55 PM, John McKown  wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:23:37 +0530, Yogeetha balasubramanian
>  wrote:
>
> >I have always thought about finding the class and the msgclass myself for
> >creating our own jobcard. Do someone know how to find them ?
> >
>
> I cannot answer your question, but I will rephrase it and expand it.
>
> I think what the OP wants is a way to determine the CLASS and MSGCLASS of
> the currently executing job so that they can be used when the currently
> executing job submits other jobs through the INTRDR. IOW, how to propogate
> the CLASS  and MSGCLASS to jobs submitted by this jobs the way that the
> RACF
> userid is propogated.
>
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Re: Find CLASS and MSGCLASS

[John McKown]

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:23:37 +0530, Yogeetha balasubramanian
 wrote:

>I have always thought about finding the class and the msgclass myself for
>creating our own jobcard. Do someone know how to find them ?
>

I cannot answer your question, but I will rephrase it and expand it.

I think what the OP wants is a way to determine the CLASS and MSGCLASS of
the currently executing job so that they can be used when the currently
executing job submits other jobs through the INTRDR. IOW, how to propogate
the CLASS  and MSGCLASS to jobs submitted by this jobs the way that the RACF
userid is propogated.

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Re: Find CLASS and MSGCLASS

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)]

>I have always thought about finding the class and the msgclass 
>myself for creating our own jobcard. Do someone know how to find
>them ?

What do you mean by "finding the class and msgclass"?

JES supports 36 jobclasses (i.e. classes) named A thru Z and 
0 thru 9. It is solely up to the installation which jobclasses 
are being used at all and what for.  

JES supports 36 outclasses (i.e. msgclasses) named A thru Z and 
0 thru 9. It is solely up to the installation which outclasses 
are being used at all and what for.  

Typically different jobclasses are assigned for different kinds 
of batch work, e.g. test jobs, production jobs, etc.

Outclasses are assigned for output to be hold, others for output
to be printed (and punched in earlier times). Different print
classes may be assigned to denote different kinds of output.
Some outclasses may be used to send output to archiving systems.


You need to ask at your site for the corresponding doc which
tells you how the classes are "defined" at your installation.

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Find CLASS and MSGCLASS

[Yogeetha balasubramanian]

I have always thought about finding the class and the msgclass myself for
creating our own jobcard. Do someone know how to find them ?

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