Re: Moving Page Datasets
Hi Howard, It is not clear from the thread that I have read whether you still have your page data set problem using: CSA=(3000,3), CSA RANGE PAGE=(SYS1.PAGE.PLPA.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.COMMON.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.LOCAL1.TESTLPAR,L) My question would be are the original page data sets defined in IEASYS00. If they are that would explain why they are being picked up, as any SYSP parameter suppled at IPL is not an override but is appended to IEASYS00, at least that has been my understanding reinforced by Ed Finnell's post containing the extract manual. CLPA is used to reload your SYS1.PAGE.PLPA.TESTLPAR which is read only thereafter. I hope this helps - Terry Terry Sambrooks Director KMS-IT Limited 228 Abbeydale Road South Dore Sheffield S17 3LA UK Tel: +44 (0)114 262 0933 WEB: www.legac-e.co.uk Reg: England Wales 3767263 at the above address All outgoing E-mails are scanned but it remains the recipients responsibility to ensure that their system is protected from viruses, trojans, worms, and spy-ware. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving Page Datasets.
Could there be another IEASYSxx member 'higher up' in your PARMLIB concatenation? James F. Smith -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Fuerst Sent: 02 July 2006 05:36 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Moving Page Datasets. Are you sure you are using SYSP=xx? The response is: R 00,SYSP=XX,clpa CLPA assures the page datasets get reloaded. Doug At 12:12 PM 7/1/2006, you wrote: I'm trying to move the page datasets from one 3390 to another. I'm using the following IEASYSxx override at IPL time and some how I'm getting a message where it seems that the page dataset are being picked up from the old ones. (one of the messages: ILR031A). The new page date sets are on a new volume and the datasets have a new name and are cataloged. Can anyone verify whether this is right or wrong and if wrong what can I do to resolve this...Thanks. CSA=(3000,3), CSA RANGE PAGE=(SYS1.PAGE.PLPA.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.COMMON.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.LOCAL1.TESTLPAR,L) - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Doug Fuerst Consultant BK Associates Brooklyn, NY (718) 921-2620 (Office) (718) 921-0952 (Fax) (917) 572-7364 (Cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving Page Datasets
Terry, here is my problem...I think! I can only get to the pack where IEASYS00 is from the LPAR where this is located. If I change the PAGE parameter with the new page dataset in IEASYS00 and it doesn't work with the new ones how will I fix things if the LPAR doesn't come up? Isn't there any way to override this parameter? I thought that is how you override IEASYS00 parameters with sysp= parameter. Thanks. Terry Sambrooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Howard, It is not clear from the thread that I have read whether you still have your page data set problem using: CSA=(3000,3), CSA RANGE PAGE=(SYS1.PAGE.PLPA.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.COMMON.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.LOCAL1.TESTLPAR,L) My question would be are the original page data sets defined in IEASYS00. If they are that would explain why they are being picked up, as any SYSP parameter suppled at IPL is not an override but is appended to IEASYS00, at least that has been my understanding reinforced by Ed Finnell's post containing the extract manual. CLPA is used to reload your SYS1.PAGE.PLPA.TESTLPAR which is read only thereafter. I hope this helps - Terry Terry Sambrooks Director KMS-IT Limited 228 Abbeydale Road South Dore Sheffield S17 3LA UK Tel: +44 (0)114 262 0933 WEB: www.legac-e.co.uk Reg: England Wales 3767263 at the above address All outgoing E-mails are scanned but it remains the recipients responsibility to ensure that their system is protected from viruses, trojans, worms, and spy-ware. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving Page Datasets.
Ed here is a snip for sys1.parmlib EDIT ,SYS1.PARMLIB(IEASYSHR) - 01.06 Command ===, **,* Top o 01,CSA=(3000,3), 02,PAGE=(SYS1.PAGE.PLPA, 03, SYS1.PAGE.COMMON, 04, SYS1.PAGE.LOCAL1,L) Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard, Its not clear from your cut Paste if there is a blank after your last comma in the first line. Personally I would say: CSA=(3000,3), /* the amount of CSA below the line and above the line */ Ed On Jul 1, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Howard Rifkind wrote: I'm trying to move the page datasets from one 3390 to another. I'm using the following IEASYSxx override at IPL time and some how I'm getting a message where it seems that the page dataset are being picked up from the old ones. (one of the messages: ILR031A). The new page date sets are on a new volume and the datasets have a new name and are cataloged. Can anyone verify whether this is right or wrong and if wrong what can I do to resolve this...Thanks. CSA=(3000,3), CSA RANGE PAGE=(SYS1.PAGE.PLPA.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.COMMON.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.LOCAL1.TESTLPAR,L) - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html - Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving Page Datasets
In a message dated 7/2/2006 11:31:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I change the PAGE parameter with the new page dataset in IEASYS00 and it doesn't work with the new ones how will I fix things if the LPAR doesn't come up? Isn't there any way to override this parameter? I thought that is how you override IEASYS00 parameters with sysp= parameter. Fall back position? With new IEASYSxx ipl with R 00,clpa,sysp=xx If that doesn't work go back to IEASYS00 with conventional === r 00,clpa Lacking that have to go back to a restore point? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving Page Datasets
Did you look up the ILR031A (and the ILR030A preceeding it) message you mentioned earlier? NIP is pretty well convinced that whatever page dataset is described in that message is being used by another system. I *strongly* suggest you deal with that before continuing. Bob Howard Rifkind wrote: Terry, here is my problem...I think! I can only get to the pack where IEASYS00 is from the LPAR where this is located. If I change the PAGE parameter with the new page dataset in IEASYS00 and it doesn't work with the new ones how will I fix things if the LPAR doesn't come up? Isn't there any way to override this parameter? I thought that is how you override IEASYS00 parameters with sysp= parameter. Thanks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving Page Datasets
My question would be are the original page data sets defined in IEASYS00. If they are that would explain why they are being picked up, as any SYSP parameter suppled at IPL is not an override but is appended to IEASYS00, at least that has been my understanding reinforced by Ed Finnell's post containing the extract manual. Apparently the PAGE parm is an exception. The Init and Tuning Ref says During system initialization, the system first uses the list of page data sets specified on the PAGE parameter of the IEASYS00 parmlib member. It then uses any other IEASYSxx parmlib member (identified via the SYSP=xx parameter). The IEASYSxx PAGE data set name list overrides the one in IEASYS00. -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving Page Datasets
Yes we did and I we have this issue resolve. It isn't what I thought it is. The folks who said that the override to IEASYS00 isn't an override but a merge are all correct. That's where I didn't understand this. I deleted the page parameter (datasets names) from IEASYS00 and made 2 new ones called IEASYSHR and IEASYSJB. HR has the new Page datasets in it and JB the old ones just in case things fail and we IPLED with the HR member with a CLPA and it worked. Thank all for hanging in there with me on this one...I hope the hair on half of my head grows back...for the other half I'm have to post a new question. Thanks again. Bob Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you look up the ILR031A (and the ILR030A preceeding it) message you mentioned earlier? NIP is pretty well convinced that whatever page dataset is described in that message is being used by another system. I *strongly* suggest you deal with that before continuing. Bob Howard Rifkind wrote: Terry, here is my problem...I think! I can only get to the pack where IEASYS00 is from the LPAR where this is located. If I change the PAGE parameter with the new page dataset in IEASYS00 and it doesn't work with the new ones how will I fix things if the LPAR doesn't come up? Isn't there any way to override this parameter? I thought that is how you override IEASYS00 parameters with sysp= parameter. Thanks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html - Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Moving Page Datasets.
I'm trying to move the page datasets from one 3390 to another. I'm using the following IEASYSxx override at IPL time and some how I'm getting a message where it seems that the page dataset are being picked up from the old ones. (one of the messages: ILR031A). The new page date sets are on a new volume and the datasets have a new name and are cataloged. Can anyone verify whether this is right or wrong and if wrong what can I do to resolve this...Thanks. CSA=(3000,3), CSA RANGE PAGE=(SYS1.PAGE.PLPA.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.COMMON.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.LOCAL1.TESTLPAR,L) - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving Page Datasets
Did your remember to specify CLPA at IPL time? Wayne Driscoll Product Developer JME Software LLC NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Moving Page Datasets I'm trying to move the page datasets from one 3390 to another. I'm using the following IEASYSxx override at IPL time and some how I'm getting a message where it seems that the page dataset are being picked up from the old ones. (one of the messages: ILR031A). The new page date sets are on a new volume and the datasets have a new name and are cataloged. Can anyone verify whether this is right or wrong and if wrong what can I do to resolve this...Thanks. CSA=(3000,3), CSA RANGE PAGE=(SYS1.PAGE.PLPA.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.COMMON.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.LOCAL1.TESTLPAR,L) - Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving Page Datasets
In a message dated 7/1/2006 10:47:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm using the following IEASYSxx override at IPL time and some how I'm getting a message where it seems that the page dataset are being picked up from the old ones. (one of the messages: ILR031A How are you overriding? What you need to do is make a new IEASYS44 and when you get the initial prompt=== r 00,clpa,sysp=44 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving Page Datasets
Yes, R00,SYSP=HR,CLPA Wayne Driscoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did your remember to specify CLPA at IPL time? Wayne Driscoll Product Developer JME Software LLC NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:47 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Moving Page Datasets I'm trying to move the page datasets from one 3390 to another. I'm using the following IEASYSxx override at IPL time and some how I'm getting a message where it seems that the page dataset are being picked up from the old ones. (one of the messages: ILR031A). The new page date sets are on a new volume and the datasets have a new name and are cataloged. Can anyone verify whether this is right or wrong and if wrong what can I do to resolve this...Thanks. CSA=(3000,3), CSA RANGE PAGE=(SYS1.PAGE.PLPA.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.COMMON.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.LOCAL1.TESTLPAR,L) - Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1ยข/min. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving Page Datasets
In a message dated 7/1/2006 11:30:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: R00,SYSP=HR,CLPA == shouldn't it be r 00,'SYSP=HR',CLPA and the invalid systax causes it to use IEASYS00? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving Page Datasets
Ed, Thanks I'll try the way you described below, you reply sounds reasonable so I'll give it a try tomorrow at the next IPL. Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/1/2006 11:30:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: R00,SYSP=HR,CLPA == shouldn't it be r 00,'SYSP=HR',CLPA and the invalid systax causes it to use IEASYS00? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html - Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving Page Datasets
In a message dated 7/1/2006 12:03:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: R00,SYSP=HR,CLPA Boy the manual is less then consistent. 1.1.5.2 Specifying System Parameters Not Defined in LOADxx The LOAD parameter can supply values not defined at system installation time. If this is not done, you must supply them as system parameters in response to the following system message: IEA101A SPECIFY SYSTEM PARAMETERS FOR product-name You must respond to this message. You can respond with specific system parameters, such as REPLY 00,CLPA ,SYSP=83,LNK=(04,05,PQ),SYSNAME=AQ However, a typographical error made in this response can lead to undesirable system operation. To help avoid this situation, the system programmer can specify system parameters in IEASYSxx parmlib members. If this has been done, you can respond to message IEA101A in one of the following ways: * To use the system parameters specified in the IEASYS00 parmlib member, press the ENTER key. * To use system parameters specified by IEASYSxx parmlib members along with IEASYS00, use the SYSP operand on the REPLY command to specify the 2-character suffixes that identify the IEASYSxx parmlib members. For example, to use the parameters specified in parmlib members IEASYSAA and IEASYSBB along with IEASYS00, enter: REPLY 00,SYSP=(AA,BB) Note: Depending on the specific system parameter, a parameter value specified in the alternate parmlib members supplements or overrides the value specified in IEASYS00. If the reply is longer than one line (there are 80 characters per line), you can follow the last parameter with a comma or a blank and CONT. For details on how to continue system parameters, see _Specifying System_ (http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/iea2g141/4.28.11?DT=2004032514123 8#HDRR200U) _Parameters in topic 4.28.11_ (http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/iea2g141/4.28.11?DT=20040325141238#HDRR200U) in the description of the REPLY command in this book. For details about parmlib members, see _z/OS MVS Initialization and Tuning_ (http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/DOCNUM/SA22-7592/CCONTEN TS?) _Reference_ (http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/DOCNUM/SA22-7592/CCONTENTS?) . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving Page Datasets.
Howard, Its not clear from your cut Paste if there is a blank after your last comma in the first line. Personally I would say: CSA=(3000,3), /* the amount of CSA below the line and above the line */ Ed On Jul 1, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Howard Rifkind wrote: I'm trying to move the page datasets from one 3390 to another. I'm using the following IEASYSxx override at IPL time and some how I'm getting a message where it seems that the page dataset are being picked up from the old ones. (one of the messages: ILR031A). The new page date sets are on a new volume and the datasets have a new name and are cataloged. Can anyone verify whether this is right or wrong and if wrong what can I do to resolve this...Thanks. CSA=(3000,3), CSA RANGE PAGE=(SYS1.PAGE.PLPA.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.COMMON.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.LOCAL1.TESTLPAR,L) - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving Page Datasets.
Are you sure you are using SYSP=xx? The response is: R 00,SYSP=XX,clpa CLPA assures the page datasets get reloaded. Doug At 12:12 PM 7/1/2006, you wrote: I'm trying to move the page datasets from one 3390 to another. I'm using the following IEASYSxx override at IPL time and some how I'm getting a message where it seems that the page dataset are being picked up from the old ones. (one of the messages: ILR031A). The new page date sets are on a new volume and the datasets have a new name and are cataloged. Can anyone verify whether this is right or wrong and if wrong what can I do to resolve this...Thanks. CSA=(3000,3), CSA RANGE PAGE=(SYS1.PAGE.PLPA.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.COMMON.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.LOCAL1.TESTLPAR,L) - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Doug Fuerst Consultant BK Associates Brooklyn, NY (718) 921-2620 (Office) (718) 921-0952 (Fax) (917) 572-7364 (Cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Moving Page Datasets.
I think you are missing the comma after the CSA statement Doug At 12:12 PM 7/1/2006, you wrote: I'm trying to move the page datasets from one 3390 to another. I'm using the following IEASYSxx override at IPL time and some how I'm getting a message where it seems that the page dataset are being picked up from the old ones. (one of the messages: ILR031A). The new page date sets are on a new volume and the datasets have a new name and are cataloged. Can anyone verify whether this is right or wrong and if wrong what can I do to resolve this...Thanks. CSA=(3000,3), CSA RANGE PAGE=(SYS1.PAGE.PLPA.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.COMMON.TESTLPAR, SYS1.PAGE.LOCAL1.TESTLPAR,L) - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Doug Fuerst Consultant BK Associates Brooklyn, NY (718) 921-2620 (Office) (718) 921-0952 (Fax) (917) 572-7364 (Cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
