Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?
"Martin Packer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED] om>... > Peter Hunkeler said: > > > You can switch interval recording on if you need even more of > > those virtual projectiles. > > Sorry, I WAS referring to interval recording. I've a feeling Cees was > referring to the 30-4 and -5 subtypes. > > Cheers, Martin > > Martin Packer No, I was also referring to interval recording. We used it to track long running tasks for constant growth due to errors. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?
Peter Hunkeler said: > You can switch interval recording on if you need even more of > those virtual projectiles. Sorry, I WAS referring to interval recording. I've a feeling Cees was referring to the 30-4 and -5 subtypes. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer Performance Consultant IBM United Kingdom Ltd +44-20-8832-5167 +44-7802-245-584 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?
>> >>No. Not unless you have a VSTOR detail set up ahead of time or were >>running RMF MON II in the background. See hlq.IBM.PARMLIB(ERBRMF03) >>and the fine manuals for how to do that. >> >>Mark > >Clarification... since you mentioned AUX specifically in the last post: > >VSTOR won't show the AUX frames.. but will show the virtual storage usage >by subpool within the job you monitor. I think that was part of what you >wanted in your original post IIRC. If you run RMF III and backup the >volumes with the VSAM history (full volume or incremental), you could >also restore them and specifically allocate them to your TSO session >(RMFDSnn) and start a monitor 3 session to use STORF. > >Mark Ah HA! That is what I had thought being I was pouring over the RMF Users Guide and running every type of report I could with no success. Thanks Mark and to all who replied. Pat L. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:09:53 -0500, Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:15:54 -0500, Patrick Lyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >>But back to my previous question, is there an RMF report that I can use via >>batch to see history on how many AUX frames were allocated to what address >>space via the REPORTS or SYSREPORTS statement, or via some other report >>feature that I am not familiar with? I need to go back weeks of kept SMF >>data, not just hours of real time online data. >> > >No. Not unless you have a VSTOR detail set up ahead of time or were >running RMF MON II in the background. See hlq.IBM.PARMLIB(ERBRMF03) >and the fine manuals for how to do that. > >Mark Clarification... since you mentioned AUX specifically in the last post: VSTOR won't show the AUX frames.. but will show the virtual storage usage by subpool within the job you monitor. I think that was part of what you wanted in your original post IIRC. If you run RMF III and backup the volumes with the VSAM history (full volume or incremental), you could also restore them and specifically allocate them to your TSO session (RMFDSnn) and start a monitor 3 session to use STORF. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?
>> Type 30 any further than I can throw them. :-( > >That sounds like a more interesting competition that >throwing cellphones. ...and supplies are kept coming for free. You can switch interval recording on if you need even more of those virtual projectiles... -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:15:54 -0500, Patrick Lyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >But back to my previous question, is there an RMF report that I can use via >batch to see history on how many AUX frames were allocated to what address >space via the REPORTS or SYSREPORTS statement, or via some other report >feature that I am not familiar with? I need to go back weeks of kept SMF >data, not just hours of real time online data. > No. Not unless you have a VSTOR detail set up ahead of time or were running RMF MON II in the background. See hlq.IBM.PARMLIB(ERBRMF03) and the fine manuals for how to do that. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?
"Martin Packer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED] om>... > Kees wrote: > > > Remember that the reported figures are highwater marks, > > so they will only go up, never down, but it can provide > > you a clue. > > I tend to characterise this as Allocated rather than Suballocated / Used. Don't think so, it is the highwater mark of what has been allocated. > > So in principle the numbers can go down - but that's not a frequent > occurrence with DB2. Don't think so, highwater marks never get lower, even if the allocated virtual storage goes down. > > And, perhaps parenthetically, Since I had to grab the dictionary at the same time this week as Barbara did, I now know the word parenthetically (although it still makes me think it reads pathetically). >I don't trust the REAL memory numbers in I am referring to virtual storage in smf 30. > Type 30 any further than I can throw them. :-( That sounds like a more interesting competition that throwing cellphones. Kees. > > Cheers, Martin > > Martin Packer ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?
Kees wrote: > Remember that the reported figures are highwater marks, > so they will only go up, never down, but it can provide > you a clue. I tend to characterise this as Allocated rather than Suballocated / Used. So in principle the numbers can go down - but that's not a frequent occurrence with DB2. And, perhaps parenthetically, I don't trust the REAL memory numbers in Type 30 any further than I can throw them. :-( Cheers, Martin Martin Packer Performance Consultant IBM United Kingdom Ltd +44-20-8832-5167 +44-7802-245-584 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?
"Ed Gould" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > On Oct 18, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Patrick Lyon wrote: > > > Thanks to all who have responded. > > > > We went through this all again today and DB2 crashed. After > > restarting it, it > > doesn't take up near the storage as just before it went down. > > > > After doing some research, I found some storage related PTFs that > > were not > > on describing not freeing storage. I will apply these ASAP. > > > > But back to my previous question, is there an RMF report that I can > > use via > > batch to see history on how many AUX frames were allocated to what > > address > > space via the REPORTS or SYSREPORTS statement, or via some other > > report > > feature that I am not familiar with? I need to go back weeks of > > kept SMF > > data, not just hours of real time online data. > > > > Thanks again for all who have responded. > > > > Best Regards, > > Patrick Lyon > Patrick, > > There is an RMF report (you feed SMF recs for the time period you > want reported) that gives you numbers on paging slots used/available. > > Its been 10 years since I ran it but I am sure thats its still there. > > The last time I ran it I went with several months worth of data to > prove that we didn't need more page spaces. > > Ed > Yes, reporting AUX useage and its growth is available. However, finding the offender is difficult. If you have an suspect, you can trace SMF30 for its virtual storage useage and growth. Remember that the reported figures are highwater marks, so they will only go up, never down, but it can provide you a clue. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?
On Oct 18, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Patrick Lyon wrote: Thanks to all who have responded. We went through this all again today and DB2 crashed. After restarting it, it doesn't take up near the storage as just before it went down. After doing some research, I found some storage related PTFs that were not on describing not freeing storage. I will apply these ASAP. But back to my previous question, is there an RMF report that I can use via batch to see history on how many AUX frames were allocated to what address space via the REPORTS or SYSREPORTS statement, or via some other report feature that I am not familiar with? I need to go back weeks of kept SMF data, not just hours of real time online data. Thanks again for all who have responded. Best Regards, Patrick Lyon Patrick, There is an RMF report (you feed SMF recs for the time period you want reported) that gives you numbers on paging slots used/available. Its been 10 years since I ran it but I am sure thats its still there. The last time I ran it I went with several months worth of data to prove that we didn't need more page spaces. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?
Thanks to all who have responded. We went through this all again today and DB2 crashed. After restarting it, it doesn't take up near the storage as just before it went down. After doing some research, I found some storage related PTFs that were not on describing not freeing storage. I will apply these ASAP. But back to my previous question, is there an RMF report that I can use via batch to see history on how many AUX frames were allocated to what address space via the REPORTS or SYSREPORTS statement, or via some other report feature that I am not familiar with? I need to go back weeks of kept SMF data, not just hours of real time online data. Thanks again for all who have responded. Best Regards, Patrick Lyon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:39:48 +, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>You can always run the RMF Post Processor to read the offloaded SMF data. though I am not sure you can read the current MAN files with it. > >You have to dump (not clear -- leave that up to your normal processes) the current files before you can process it with ERBRMFPP. > Or use the RMF Sysplex Data Server. How much data is there in the wrap around file depends on how big you make the buffer. Default is 32M and can go up to 2G (specified in the RMF proc or modify command). Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?
>You can always run the RMF Post Processor to read the offloaded SMF data. >though I am not sure you can read the current MAN files with it. You have to dump (not clear -- leave that up to your normal processes) the current files before you can process it with ERBRMFPP. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?
Lizette Wrote: > It sounds that you might be paging. Which means you might not have sufficient real storage. Going short on memory is going to be bad going forwards - especially for DB2, especially for z/OS Release 8, and especially if you don't have a really beefy paging subsystem. And don't forget just once in a while you may (unfortunately) have to dump that big DB2 subsystem. So the "steady state" probably isn't the thing you have to cater for. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer Performance Consultant IBM United Kingdom Ltd +44-20-8832-5167 +44-7802-245-584 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auxiliary Storage Usage - History Data?
Patrick, What version of z/OS or os/390 are you on? Are you seeing IRA messages? If so, could you show us some? If there are IRA messages, I would issue the command D ASM to see what my page packs look like. It sounds that you might be paging. Which means you might not have sufficient real storage. Or I could be way off base. You can always run the RMF Post Processor to read the offloaded SMF data. though I am not sure you can read the current MAN files with it. Lizette > >Good Morning List - We have recently gone short of aux storage, this is after >we installed a new BMC DB2 monitor/collector. > >I can see that the DB2DBM1 is taking up a lot of storage. What I want is to >compare this with data from before we started firing up the collector. > >I know that you can use RMF real time through the STORF command to see >the aux frames, but can you use RMF in batch mode to see aux storage usage >using SMF data? > >I've been through the RMF User's Guide and through these archives and have >not found what I am looking for. > >Is this even possible? > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
