Re: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
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on 04/04/2008
   at 11:04 AM, "Stocker, Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>I believe that the JES reader is 80 characters. 

Not unless they've changed things. But I believe that the FTP server only
writes to the Internal reader, so even if you could get it to write other
than 80 characters it wouldn't be what you wanted for a print file.
 
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Re: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

[Alan Altmark]

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 19:17:32 -0400, John S. Giltner, Jr. 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I don't know if z/VM has it, but z/OS has a sendsite command that
>toggles the automatic sending of the quote site lrecl= command.

Yes, it has it.

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Re: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

[Edward Jaffe]

Paul Gilmartin wrote:

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:52:31 -0700, Lionel B Dyck wrote:

  

Raymond wrote:

SITE JESLrecl=xxx  where xxx can be 1 - 254. This specifically sets the
LRECL for the JES internal reader.

I didn't know that option existed but it does and it WORKS ! ! ! !



But beware!  JES3 only!  The facility is woefully broken on JES2.
It was briefly repaired over a decade ago by OW10527, then re-broken
a few months later by OW16674 apparently at the request of customers
who preferred compatibility with the historic JES2 misbehavior over
compatibility with the correct JES3 behavior.

I complained intensely enough that IBM disclosed to me a secret
command that re-enables the correct behavior.  I've tested it lately;
it still worked.  But IBM chooses not to document it.
  


IIRC, JES3 supports an LRECL for SYSIN up to 32K!

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Re: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:52:31 -0700, Lionel B Dyck wrote:

>Raymond wrote:
>
>SITE JESLrecl=xxx  where xxx can be 1 - 254. This specifically sets the
>LRECL for the JES internal reader.
>
>I didn't know that option existed but it does and it WORKS ! ! ! !
>
But beware!  JES3 only!  The facility is woefully broken on JES2.
It was briefly repaired over a decade ago by OW10527, then re-broken
a few months later by OW16674 apparently at the request of customers
who preferred compatibility with the historic JES2 misbehavior over
compatibility with the correct JES3 behavior.

I complained intensely enough that IBM disclosed to me a secret
command that re-enables the correct behavior.  I've tested it lately;
it still worked.  But IBM chooses not to document it.

-- gil

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Re: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

[John S. Giltner, Jr.]

I don't know if z/VM has it, but z/OS has a sendsite command that 
toggles the automatic sending of the quote site lrecl= command.



Lionel B Dyck wrote:

I am attempting to FTP a file from z/VM which I extracted from the z/VM
Spool (PRT) to the z/OS JES Spool. Here are my ftp statements from a code
snippet in my code:

queue id
queue "quote site filetype=jes"
queue "mode b"
queue "type e"
queue "quote site lrecl=254"
queue "put" temp_file
queue "dir"
queue "quit"

"ftp" host "(exit"

My problem is that the "quote site lrecl=254" is being overridden by the
put of the file which is setting it to an LRECL=80 thus:


site filetype=jes

200 SITE command was accepted
Command:

MODE b

200 Data transfer mode is Block
Command:

TYPE e

200 Representation type is Ebcdic NonPrint
Command:

site lrecl=254

200 SITE command was accepted
Command:

SITE VARrecfm

200 SITE command was accepted

PORT 172,21,246,100,8,186

200 Port request OK.

STOR temp.file

125 Sending Job to JES internal reader FIXrecfm 80<
250-It is known to JES as JOB10347
250 Transfer completed (data was truncated)   <

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to overcome this?



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Re: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

[Gilbert Cardenas]

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:52:31 -0700, Lionel B Dyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>Raymond wrote:
>
>Lionel,
>
>Have you tried -
>
>SITE JESLrecl=xxx  where xxx can be 1 - 254. This specifically sets the
>LRECL for the JES internal reader.
>
>I didn't know that option existed but it does and it WORKS ! ! ! !
>
>Thanks
>
>snip<

So Lionel, did you do as Ed Finnell suggested and wrap the jcl around the 
spool data inline?
Would you mind sharing cause I would sure like to give this a try since "they" 
continue to jinx my nje options.


Thanks,
Gil.

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Re: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

[Lionel B Dyck]

Raymond wrote:

Lionel,

Have you tried - 

SITE JESLrecl=xxx  where xxx can be 1 - 254. This specifically sets the 
LRECL for the JES internal reader. 

I didn't know that option existed but it does and it WORKS ! ! ! !

Thanks


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Re: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

[Ed Finnell]

 
In a message dated 4/4/2008 2:20:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The only compromise I found was as someone had previously suggested was  
to ftp the dataset to the region and then submit an IEBGENER jcl to print  it.
>>
Well what if we sent it
//JOBNAMEx JOB ...
//S1 EXEC PGM=ICEGENER
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* 
//SYSUT2 DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSIN DD DUMMY
//SYSUT1 DD DATA,DLM='{{'
254 byte records appended
{{
/*
//






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Re: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

[Jack Kelly]

If you get pass the lrecl, how about typrun=copy and a msgclass to just 
print the data?

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Re: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

[Gilbert Cardenas]

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:48:04 -0700, Raymond Noal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>Lionel,
>
>Have you tried -
>
>SITE JESLrecl=xxx  where xxx can be 1 - 254. This specifically sets the 
LRECL for the JES internal reader.
>
>HITACHI
> DATA SYSTEMS
>Raymond E. Noal
>Senior Technical Engineer
>Office: (408) 970 - 7978
>


I was looking to do something similar several weeks back but couldn't make 
this work either.

I could be wrong but I don't believe that changing the JESLrecl to greater 
than 80 would make any difference because the internal reader is still looking 
for jcl records and not spool print records.

The only compromise I found was as someone had previously suggested was 
to ftp the dataset to the region and then submit an IEBGENER jcl to print it.

Regards,
Gil.

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Re: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

[Raymond Noal]

Lionel,

Have you tried - 

SITE JESLrecl=xxx  where xxx can be 1 - 254. This specifically sets the LRECL 
for the JES internal reader. 

HITACHI
 DATA SYSTEMS 
Raymond E. Noal 
Senior Technical Engineer 
Office: (408) 970 - 7978 

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Lionel B Dyck
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Ulrich Krueger said:

Lionel,
The file you are trying to transfer is a printable report ... correct?
Does your VM system have RSCS set up with a SNA / NJE connection to MVS?
If so, you should be able to just simply print the file to
DEST=name_of_MVS_system and, CLASS and FORM specs as needed to put it in 
the
right spool "bucket".
If not, RSCS to NJE/JES2 would be the easiest, IMHO.

I am running z/VM on IFLs and do not have RSCS - thus the attempted 
workaround.

Thanks

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Re: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

[Lionel B Dyck]

It seems I can't do what I was hoping for so I've adjusted my code to ftp 
the file to z/OS and then ftp a batch job to do an IEBGENER. I was hoping 
to avoid the '2 step' but as that is all I can do right now that is what 
I'm going to do to move forward.

Thanks to all who replied directly or via the listservs

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Re: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

[Ulrich Krueger]

On second thought, Lionel ...
Filetype=JES tells the MVS FTP server that you are transmitting JCL for a
batch job. You can't use it to transfer to a SYSOUT class.
But, if you still want (er, have) to use FTP, send an FTP job to MVS using
JCL similar to this:
//STEP EXEC PGM=FTP
//...other required DD stmts
//MYREPT  DD SYSOUT=(class,,form),etc. as needed
And include a GET statement that looks like
GET filename filetype //DD:MYREPT

The FTP batch job supports the use of DD-statement references to read from
or write to. The FTP server task on MVS does not. That might solve your
problem.

Regards,
Ulrich Krueger


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Lionel,
The file you are trying to transfer is a printable report ... correct?
Does your VM system have RSCS set up with a SNA / NJE connection to MVS?
If so, you should be able to just simply print the file to
DEST=name_of_MVS_system and, CLASS and FORM specs as needed to put it in the
right spool "bucket".
If not, RSCS to NJE/JES2 would be the easiest, IMHO.


Regards,
Ulrich Krueger

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Subject: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

I am attempting to FTP a file from z/VM which I extracted from the z/VM
Spool (PRT) to the z/OS JES Spool. Here are my ftp statements from a code
snippet in my code:

queue id
queue "quote site filetype=jes"
queue "mode b"
queue "type e"
queue "quote site lrecl=254"
queue "put" temp_file
queue "dir"
queue "quit"

"ftp" host "(exit"

My problem is that the "quote site lrecl=254" is being overridden by the
put of the file which is setting it to an LRECL=80 thus:
...

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Re: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

[Lionel B Dyck]

Ulrich Krueger said:

Lionel,
The file you are trying to transfer is a printable report ... correct?
Does your VM system have RSCS set up with a SNA / NJE connection to MVS?
If so, you should be able to just simply print the file to
DEST=name_of_MVS_system and, CLASS and FORM specs as needed to put it in 
the
right spool "bucket".
If not, RSCS to NJE/JES2 would be the easiest, IMHO.

I am running z/VM on IFLs and do not have RSCS - thus the attempted 
workaround.

Thanks

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KP-IT Enterprise Engineering 
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Re: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

[Ulrich Krueger]

Lionel,
The file you are trying to transfer is a printable report ... correct?
Does your VM system have RSCS set up with a SNA / NJE connection to MVS?
If so, you should be able to just simply print the file to
DEST=name_of_MVS_system and, CLASS and FORM specs as needed to put it in the
right spool "bucket".
If not, RSCS to NJE/JES2 would be the easiest, IMHO.


Regards,
Ulrich Krueger

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Subject: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

I am attempting to FTP a file from z/VM which I extracted from the z/VM
Spool (PRT) to the z/OS JES Spool. Here are my ftp statements from a code
snippet in my code:

queue id
queue "quote site filetype=jes"
queue "mode b"
queue "type e"
queue "quote site lrecl=254"
queue "put" temp_file
queue "dir"
queue "quit"

"ftp" host "(exit"

My problem is that the "quote site lrecl=254" is being overridden by the
put of the file which is setting it to an LRECL=80 thus:
...

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Re: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

[Lionel B Dyck]

>I believe that the JES reader is 80 characters.  Can you ftp to a file 
then
>use IEBGENR to place it into the spool?
>
>Regards, 
>Herman Stocker 

I can do this successfully on z/OS using the z/OS FTP client to FTP to 
another z/OS system so it would appear to be related to the z/VM FTP 
Client in some way.

I could FTP to a file and then submit a job to use IEBGENER but I am 
trying to see if I can do it in one step.

Thanks


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Re: FTP from z/VM to z/OS JES Spool

[Stocker, Herman]

I believe that the JES reader is 80 characters.  Can you ftp to a file then
use IEBGENR to place it into the spool?

Regards, 
Herman Stocker 

I am attempting to FTP a file from z/VM which I extracted from the z/VM
Spool (PRT) to the z/OS JES Spool. Here are my ftp statements from a code
snippet in my code:

queue id
queue "quote site filetype=jes"
queue "mode b"
queue "type e"
queue "quote site lrecl=254"
queue "put" temp_file
queue "dir"
queue "quit"

"ftp" host "(exit"

My problem is that the "quote site lrecl=254" is being overridden by the put
of the file which is setting it to an LRECL=80 thus:

>>>site filetype=jes
200 SITE command was accepted
Command:
>>>MODE b
200 Data transfer mode is Block
Command:
>>>TYPE e
200 Representation type is Ebcdic NonPrint
Command:
>>>site lrecl=254
200 SITE command was accepted
Command:
>>>SITE VARrecfm
200 SITE command was accepted
>>>PORT 172,21,246,100,8,186
200 Port request OK.
>>>STOR temp.file
125 Sending Job to JES internal reader FIXrecfm 80<
250-It is known to JES as JOB10347
250 Transfer completed (data was truncated)   <

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to overcome this?



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