Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:33:25 -0700, Schwarz, Barry A wrote:

>The xmit manager has eliminated that technical roadblock for the PFCSKs, at 
>least as far as text is concerned.  I expect that inertia will continue to 
>provide the desired segregation.
>
>On the other hand, I wonder how different things would be if they, or their 
>managers, could easily understand the quality and variety available through 
>CBT and SHARE, etc.
>
They'd likely counter by asking whether you never heard of SourceForge,
GNU, Linux, OpenSolaris, ...  Some entire contemporary operating systems
available at no cost beyond the guilt of declining a request for a
donation.

OTOH, you can counter with Hercules and MVS 3.8, both being actively
developed and supported.  I understand there's work underway to
extend MVS 3.8j to 31-bit addressing ( http://mvs380.sourceforge.net/
with a few caveats).

>-Original Message-
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
>Sam Golob
>Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 7:04 AM
>
>So I want to thank all of you guys in this group, because you have
>taught me something.  Our use of XMIT format allows us to achieve our
>objective, in supplying the z/OS sysprog world with a continuous source
>of tools and help, while keeping all the other people, who really have
>no business with our stuff, away.
>
This somewhat leaves users of z/OS Unix System Services out in the cold.
Or do you count z/OS Unix users among the "people [you want to] keep ...
away"?  Of course, one could put a .pax archive inside the .xmit archive
(which goes in a .zip archive to go on cbttape.org).  This is getting
pretty roundabout.

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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <4c10e811.2090...@actionsoftware.com>, on 06/10/2010
   at 09:26 AM, Gord Tomlin  said:

>Using my DASD space for *articles* is not the obvious choice!

You're not the only user. Using *my* DASD space for articles that I
want to read is the obvious choice.
 
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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Schwarz, Barry A]

The xmit manager has eliminated that technical roadblock for the PFCSKs, at 
least as far as text is concerned.  I expect that inertia will continue to 
provide the desired segregation.

On the other hand, I wonder how different things would be if they, or their 
managers, could easily understand the quality and variety available through CBT 
and SHARE, etc.

-Original Message-
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Sam Golob
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 7:04 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: File 120 now has 2 new articles

Hi Folks,

I hope that I am answering all of your questions.

There is a very good reason why I didn't post the topics of my 2
articles.  They are supposed to be for our ears only.  Mainframers
(specifically sysprogs) should be the readership.  So I'm glad about
what the discussion topic was about (i.e. XMIT format).

Now that you guys have brought up the topic of XMIT format, it
proves to me that Sam K and I have done a good thing by packaging nearly
everything in that format.  Our website is officially "open to everyone"
(no password or membership necessary) but it is really only intended for
use by our own people.  The "general interest pc people" should really
be kept away.  So I'm happy with XMIT format.  And yes, XMIT format does
serve the purpose of eliminating EBCDIC to ASCII (and vice-versa)
translation, which for me was always a pain in the , and a packaging
problem.  XMIT only works in EBCDIC, really, (although ASCII files can
ride along).  This was the original reason and purpose for our use of
XMIT format.  I myself didn't think of the extra benefits of using it.

So I want to thank all of you guys in this group, because you have
taught me something.  Our use of XMIT format allows us to achieve our
objective, in supplying the z/OS sysprog world with a continuous source
of tools and help, while keeping all the other people, who really have
no business with our stuff, away.  All this, without "memberships" and
"passwords".  All the years, I was wondering why this arrangement was
working out fine, and we weren't getting a big infiltration of all kinds
of other kinds of people asking about our stuff.  My heartfelt thanks to
all of you, for revealing the obvious - to me.  It's the XMIT format,
helping us achieve our purpose without our realizing, and making the
Internet work, as our distribution method.  (We're gonna stick with
it.)  Thanks again for teaching me this "obvious" fact.

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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Ed Finnell]

 
In a message dated 6/11/2010 9:03:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
sbgo...@cbttape.org writes:

of other kinds of people asking about our stuff.  My heartfelt  thanks to 
all of you, for revealing the obvious - to me.  It's the  XMIT format, 
helping us achieve our purpose without our realizing, and  making the 
Internet work, as our distribution method.  (We're gonna  stick with 
it.)  Thanks again for teaching me this "obvious"  fact.


>>
Yadda, yadda...still getting crc checks on  the zip file.




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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Rick Fochtman wrote:

>--
>Well, if he wants to include those running OS/360, OS/VS1, OS/VS2 (SVS)
or OS/VS2 3.8 under Hercules, he could always use IEHMOVE format
>
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eliminated. :-)

Step 4 is going to take a long time, so long it is actually step 4 to 
step 40 . ;-D

(I'm 99.98% sure today is Friday, but you just can't trust any stats!  :-D )

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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Rick Fochtman]

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Well, if he wants to include those running OS/360, OS/VS1, OS/VS2 (SVS) 
or OS/VS2 3.8 under Hercules, he could always use IEHMOVE format



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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Ted MacNEIL]

>Using my DASD space for *articles* is not the obvious choice!

At today's prices, what does it matter?
And, we're only talking a couple of cylinders.
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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Gord Tomlin]

Using my DASD space for *articles* is not the obvious choice!

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Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote (snipped):

The CBT tape is not a repository of PC software. For those on MVS,
XMIT is the obvious choice.


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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[McKown, John]

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 1:10 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles
> 
> In <201006081712.o58hcmu2090...@ame8.swcp.com>, on 06/08/2010
>at 01:06 PM, David Cole  said:
> 
> >WOW! Of all the tools available on PCs for writing and packaging 
> >content, why on EARTH would you choose .XMI !
> 
> The CBT tape is not a repository of PC software. For those on MVS,
> XMIT is the obvious choice.
> 
> >That certainly will keep your circle of readers ... umm ...
> >"exclusive".
> 
> Well, if he wants to include those running OS/360, OS/VS1, OS/VS2
> (SVS) or OS/VS2 3.8 under Hercules, he could always use IEHMOVE format
> 
>  
> -- 
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I agree that XMIT is an excellent choice for distribution of z/OS packages. But 
this makes me wonder a bit about the possibility of using SMP/E's method 
instead. XMIT is not very UNIX friendly. Yes, it can be done by using PAX to 
create a z/OS sequential file containing the UNIX subdirectories needed. And 
you can then XMIT the sequential file. But I wonder if changing from XMIT to 
SMP/E and doing an SMP/E RECEIVE FROMNTS might actually be the wave of the 
future? Just blue skying.

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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <201006081712.o58hcmu2090...@ame8.swcp.com>, on 06/08/2010
   at 01:06 PM, David Cole  said:

>WOW! Of all the tools available on PCs for writing and packaging 
>content, why on EARTH would you choose .XMI !

The CBT tape is not a repository of PC software. For those on MVS,
XMIT is the obvious choice.

>That certainly will keep your circle of readers ... umm ...
>"exclusive".

Well, if he wants to include those running OS/360, OS/VS1, OS/VS2
(SVS) or OS/VS2 3.8 under Hercules, he could always use IEHMOVE format

 
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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Ted MacNEIL]

>All the tools on the CBT mods tape are packaged as .XMI files.

Yes. But!

Consider written articles as something other than mainframe XMI and compatable 
text.
Even ZIP TXT can still be done.
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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Mark Zelden]

On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:24:31 -0400, Pinnacle  wrote:

>  I actually imbed a PDF file in one
>of my FB80 files.  Download it binary to a PC and viola!  You have my SHARE
>presentation.
>

Similar to what I do with one of my files:

Installation Documentation for "Introduction To TSO/E REXX"  
 
The RXINTRO member of this PDS is in TSO XMIT format. You must   
receive the file, download it to your workstation/PC in binary   
format, and un-zip it.   
 
1) TSO RECEIVE INDA('cbt.file434(RXINTRO)')  
 - you will be prompted to enter a data set name:
   DA('userid.REXX.INTRO.ZIP')   
 
2) Transfer the file you received/created in step 1 to your  
   workstation/PC. Make sure the transfer is binary (do not use  
   ASCII/CRLF if using IND$FILE, use the "BIN" option if using   
   FTP). Name the file something like "REXXINTRO.ZIP" on the PC
   side. 
 
3) You should now have a usable ZIP file you can UNZIP. The  
   unzipped file is called REXXINTRO.DOC. The file was created   
   using Microsoft Word.   

  
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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Pinnacle]

- Original Message - 
From: "David Cole" 

Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles


WOW! Of all the tools available on PCs for writing and packaging content, 
why on EARTH would you choose .XMI !


That certainly will keep your circle of readers ... umm ... "exclusive".




Dave,

All the tools on the CBT mods tape are packaged as .XMI files.  It's a safe 
way of downloading and uploading content to a mainframe without worrying 
about ASCII/EBCDIC translation issues.  I actually imbed a PDF file in one 
of my FB80 files.  Download it binary to a PC and viola!  You have my SHARE 
presentation.


Regards,
Tom Conley 


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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[David Cole]

WOW! Of all the tools available on PCs for writing and packaging 
content, why on EARTH would you choose .XMI !


That certainly will keep your circle of readers ... umm ... "exclusive".


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At 6/7/2010 11:13 PM, Sam Golob wrote:

Hi Folks,

   Since I stopped writing for NaSPA's "Technical Support" 
magazine, it doesn't mean that I've stopped writing articles 
completely.  On File 120 of the Updates page of www.cbttape.org, 
the articles prefixed by member names:  BM** are owned by me, 
and NaSPA doesn't have any connection with them.  There are two new 
articles there now (on the Updates page), with member names 
BM1005MY and BM1006JN.  I trust you will find them interesting.


   All the best of everything to you and yours

Sincerely,Sam Golob

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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Pommier, Rex R.]

Mark, and others,

Thanks for the tip.

TSO XMIT was one of the formats that my scrounging pointed to but I
figured since the file was articles that the format was some kind of
PC-style.  I should'a figured that since it was off the CBT tape that
the XMIT format was the correct one.

Rex

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On 06/08/10 09:57, Pommier, Rex R. wrote:
> Sam,
>
> This is probably a dumb question, but how does one open the file?  It
is
> a ".xmi" file which has several type associations, each of which seems
> to require some special tool to open it.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Rex
>

You have to upload it to your zOS system into a FB 80 dataset then 
execute the TSO/E RECEIVE command against it. It's stored in TSO/E XMIT 
format.

Mark Jacobs


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
> Behalf Of Sam Golob
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:13 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: File 120 now has 2 new articles
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>  Since I stopped writing for NaSPA's "Technical Support" magazine,
it
>
> doesn't mean that I've stopped writing articles completely.  On File
120
>
> of the Updates page of www.cbttape.org, the articles prefixed by
member
> names:  BM** are owned by me, and NaSPA doesn't have any
connection
> with them.  There are two new articles there now (on the Updates
page),
> with member names BM1005MY and BM1006JN.  I trust you will find them
> interesting.
>
>  All the best of everything to you and yours
>
> Sincerely,Sam Golob
>
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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Ed Finnell]

 
In a message dated 6/8/2010 8:57:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
rex.pomm...@cnasurety.com writes:

a ".xmi" file which has several type associations, each of which  seems
to require some special tool to open it.


>>
Ugh...
Extracting FILE120.XMI
bad CRC  bdfa4de0  (should be cd64faa1)
Warning: the size of the extracted file  (5556472) does not match t




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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Don Imbriale]

Instructions are at http://www.cbttape.org/downloadtrouble.htm

Usually .XMI files (at least in the mainframe arena) are TSO XMIT files.
Hope that helps.

- Don Imbriale

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Pommier, Rex R.
wrote:

> Sam,
>
> This is probably a dumb question, but how does one open the file?  It is
> a ".xmi" file which has several type associations, each of which seems
> to require some special tool to open it.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Rex
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
> Behalf Of Sam Golob
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:13 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: File 120 now has 2 new articles
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>Since I stopped writing for NaSPA's "Technical Support" magazine, it
>
> doesn't mean that I've stopped writing articles completely.  On File 120
>
> of the Updates page of www.cbttape.org, the articles prefixed by member
> names:  BM** are owned by me, and NaSPA doesn't have any connection
> with them.  There are two new articles there now (on the Updates page),
> with member names BM1005MY and BM1006JN.  I trust you will find them
> interesting.
>
>All the best of everything to you and yours
>
> Sincerely,Sam Golob
>
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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Don Imbriale]

Also, if you want to look inside the XMI files on the PC, you can use XMIT
Manager (see http://www.cbttape.org/njw/index.html)

- Don Imbriale

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Don Imbriale wrote:

> Instructions are at http://www.cbttape.org/downloadtrouble.htm
>
> Usually .XMI files (at least in the mainframe arena) are TSO XMIT files.
> Hope that helps.
>
> - Don Imbriale
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Pommier, Rex R.  > wrote:
>
>> Sam,
>>
>> This is probably a dumb question, but how does one open the file?  It is
>> a ".xmi" file which has several type associations, each of which seems
>> to require some special tool to open it.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Rex
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
>> Behalf Of Sam Golob
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:13 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>> Subject: File 120 now has 2 new articles
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>>Since I stopped writing for NaSPA's "Technical Support" magazine, it
>>
>> doesn't mean that I've stopped writing articles completely.  On File 120
>>
>> of the Updates page of www.cbttape.org, the articles prefixed by member
>> names:  BM** are owned by me, and NaSPA doesn't have any connection
>> with them.  There are two new articles there now (on the Updates page),
>> with member names BM1005MY and BM1006JN.  I trust you will find them
>> interesting.
>>
>>All the best of everything to you and yours
>>
>> Sincerely,Sam Golob
>>
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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Peter Nuttall]

Or, presumably, xmit manager will work against this file ?
 
 



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On 06/08/10 09:57, Pommier, Rex R. wrote:
> Sam,
>
> This is probably a dumb question, but how does one open the file?  It is
> a ".xmi" file which has several type associations, each of which seems
> to require some special tool to open it.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Rex
> 

You have to upload it to your zOS system into a FB 80 dataset then 
execute the TSO/E RECEIVE command against it. It's stored in TSO/E XMIT 
format.

Mark Jacobs


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
> Behalf Of Sam Golob
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:13 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: File 120 now has 2 new articles
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>  Since I stopped writing for NaSPA's "Technical Support" magazine, 
it
>
> doesn't mean that I've stopped writing articles completely.  On File 120
>
> of the Updates page of www.cbttape.org, the articles prefixed by member
> names:  BM** are owned by me, and NaSPA doesn't have any connection
> with them.  There are two new articles there now (on the Updates page),
> with member names BM1005MY and BM1006JN.  I trust you will find them
> interesting.
>
>  All the best of everything to you and yours
>
> Sincerely,Sam Golob
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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Mark Jacobs]

On 06/08/10 09:57, Pommier, Rex R. wrote:

Sam,

This is probably a dumb question, but how does one open the file?  It is
a ".xmi" file which has several type associations, each of which seems
to require some special tool to open it.

Thanks.

Rex
   


You have to upload it to your zOS system into a FB 80 dataset then 
execute the TSO/E RECEIVE command against it. It's stored in TSO/E XMIT 
format.


Mark Jacobs



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Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:13 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: File 120 now has 2 new articles

Hi Folks,

 Since I stopped writing for NaSPA's "Technical Support" magazine, it

doesn't mean that I've stopped writing articles completely.  On File 120

of the Updates page of www.cbttape.org, the articles prefixed by member
names:  BM** are owned by me, and NaSPA doesn't have any connection
with them.  There are two new articles there now (on the Updates page),
with member names BM1005MY and BM1006JN.  I trust you will find them
interesting.

 All the best of everything to you and yours

Sincerely,Sam Golob

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Re: File 120 now has 2 new articles

[Pommier, Rex R.]

Sam,

This is probably a dumb question, but how does one open the file?  It is
a ".xmi" file which has several type associations, each of which seems
to require some special tool to open it.

Thanks.

Rex

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Sam Golob
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:13 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: File 120 now has 2 new articles

Hi Folks,

Since I stopped writing for NaSPA's "Technical Support" magazine, it

doesn't mean that I've stopped writing articles completely.  On File 120

of the Updates page of www.cbttape.org, the articles prefixed by member 
names:  BM** are owned by me, and NaSPA doesn't have any connection 
with them.  There are two new articles there now (on the Updates page), 
with member names BM1005MY and BM1006JN.  I trust you will find them 
interesting.

All the best of everything to you and yours

Sincerely,Sam Golob

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