Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
In 1852985180391854.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 12/16/2011 at 04:29 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:18:02 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: [1] Anybody know whether Stretch had code points for lower case? Yes. This guy: http://www.bobbemer.com/P-BIT.HTM He may have known, but that paper refers to unrelated events that came much later. Stretch was a radically different machine from the S/360 and in some respects more sophisticated. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key? Instead of getting mad at him and never talking to him again, a better thing would be to show him the UC line command. UCUC on the first line, and UCUC on the last line, enter, and its all in upper case. I've used that a few times. Of course, if you weren't using ISPF, maybe that doesn't apply. If this was 25 years ago or more, that might not have been a valid ISPF command either. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer IBM Global Services Division Dubuque, Iowa It was ROSCOE and was about 22 years ago. I'm talking real 3278 terminals, pre-IBM PC era. This was not his first, or last, episode of being basically untrainable. Or maybe he was just ahead of his time, since most users today expect everything to work the way that they want it to work so that they don't need to learn anything. Aka intuitive computing. Aka, how to survive despite not being able to pass the 3rd grade. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
This would have been the IBM 3277 Data Entry keyboard. Page 25 of GA27-2749-5_3270descr_Nov75.pdf at bitsavers shows two forms of the Data Entry keyboard both having PF1-PF5 keys neatly hidden amongst the other keys in the top right area of the keyboard. The 78-key typewriter keyboard and the operator console keyboard were the ones with the more familiar block of 12 PF keys to the right. When you look at the pictures on page 25 you can see the reason why SPF assigns PF7/8 to ScrollUp/Down and PF10/11 to ScrollLeft/Right -- the PF7/PF8, PF10/PF11 keys are in a block adjacent to the Up/Down, Left/Right arrow keys so it's easy to remember. Of course this logic went out of the window when they switched to 3278 terminals with the PF keys along the top, after which the SPF assignments just look arbitrary. Roger Bowler Hercules the people's mainframe On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:18:52 -0600, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com wrote: I guess to be honest I don't remember if it was a 3277. I do remember that it had 5 PFKs. I beleive they were on the keyboard itself and you had to push another key with the letter key that had the PFK function on it. I remember being very happy when I got a different terminal that had the PFK pad on the side with 12 of them. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer IBM Global Services Division Dubuque, Iowa - Original Message - From: Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key? eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com (Eric Bielefeld) writes: I remember the first 3277 I used. When we were converting from VS1 to MVS 3.7, and actually had ISPF, it was a real pain as there were only 5 PFKs. I quickly learned to change PF4 5 to UP and DOWN so at least I could scroll. are you sure it was a real 3277? pg. 25 shows 32773275 keyboard layouts (two w/o any pfkey and two with 12 pfkeys to right side): http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/3270/GA27-2749-5_3270descr_Nov75.pdf -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
In 5925490962292924.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 12/15/2011 at 07:16 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: ( o but I haven't an ancient IEBGENER around to verify. o and IIRC you dislike IEBGENER, so perhaps you won't count it.) I've been known to hold my nose and use it. Or do utilities not count as applications? I'd certainly count Script as an application. (But only as long as assemblers supported macros.) Assemblers supported macros well before IBM formally defined a character set with lower case. perhaps better than HLASM does. What's the issue with HLA? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
Thanks Roger. I knew someone would remember the 5 PFK keyboards. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer IBM Global Services Division Dubuque, Iowa - Original Message - From: Roger Bowler ibm-m...@snacons.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 8:34 AM Subject: Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key? This would have been the IBM 3277 Data Entry keyboard. Page 25 of GA27-2749-5_3270descr_Nov75.pdf at bitsavers shows two forms of the Data Entry keyboard both having PF1-PF5 keys neatly hidden amongst the other keys in the top right area of the keyboard. The 78-key typewriter keyboard and the operator console keyboard were the ones with the more familiar block of 12 PF keys to the right. When you look at the pictures on page 25 you can see the reason why SPF assigns PF7/8 to ScrollUp/Down and PF10/11 to ScrollLeft/Right -- the PF7/PF8, PF10/PF11 keys are in a block adjacent to the Up/Down, Left/Right arrow keys so it's easy to remember. Of course this logic went out of the window when they switched to 3278 terminals with the PF keys along the top, after which the SPF assignments just look arbitrary. Roger Bowler Hercules the people's mainframe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes: Or do utilities not count as applications? Define application. Again, I'm confident that at least one very old application would accept (define accept) lower case, at least in comments. And very old assemblers tolerated lower case in macro arguments, perhaps better than HLASM does. (But only as long as assemblers supported macros.) CTSS on ibm7094 used 2741s with upper/lower case ... and at least CTSS document formating utility runoff regularly had lowercase. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatible_Time-Sharing_System http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_2741 some of the ctss people went to 5th flr, 545 tech sq and did multics. others went to the science center on the 4th flr and did cp67/cms (first cp40/cms on specially modified 360/40 with virtual memory which then morphs into cp67/cms when standard virtual memory became available with 360/67). misc. past posts mentioning science center http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech ctss runoff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RUNOFF was ported to cms as script. GML (for initials of three inventors) was invented at the science center in 1969 and GML tag processing was added to script (in addition to the runoff dot controls). misc. past posts mentioning gml http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#sgml a decade later, gml mophs into ISO standard sgml ... and another decade, sgml morphs into html http://infomesh.net/html/history/early one of the first mainstream corporate manuals moved to script was principles of operation. the actual document was the called the architecture redbook (for distribution in red 3-ring manuals). script conditional control governed whether the full redbook was formated or just the principles of operation subsection. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
ibm-m...@snacons.com (Roger Bowler) writes: This would have been the IBM 3277 Data Entry keyboard. Page 25 of GA27-2749-5_3270descr_Nov75.pdf at bitsavers shows two forms of the Data Entry keyboard both having PF1-PF5 keys neatly hidden amongst the other keys in the top right area of the keyboard. The 78-key typewriter keyboard and the operator console keyboard were the ones re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011p.html#84 oops, missed that. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:14:48 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: Assemblers supported macros well before IBM formally defined a character set with lower case. But the code points that later became lower case could be used in syntactic contexts where case never mattered, including arguments to macros. perhaps better than HLASM does. What's the issue with HLA? HLASM changed the behavior, introducing incompatibilities. Then it provided a MACROCASECOMP/NOMACROCASECOMP option. But they violated their own conventions. For all (most?) other ...COMP/NO...COMP options, ...COMP provides behavior compatible with earlier assemblers; NO...COMP enables incompatible behavior. MACROCASECOMP/NOMACROCASECOMP reverses the convention. I have an example where the same source program assembles identically with IEV90 and HLASM/NOMACROCASECOMP, but gets errors with HLASM/MACROCASECOMP. AFAIK, IBM has supplied no macros with MACROCASECOMP dependencies. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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OK, trivia time: What IBM device had *13* PF keys? -- ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Roger Bowler ibm-m...@snacons.com wrote: SNIP after which the SPF assignments just look arbitrary. True. But they became part of the CUA standard, which also mapped to Microsoft standards pretty closely! From such strange beginnings... -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it P.S. Let's not start a digression on use of Microsoft and standards together, eh? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 12/16/2011 1:06 PM, Phil Smith wrote: OK, trivia time: What IBM device had *13* PF keys? Not what you wanted, but on my 3277 I wrote a game that treated Test-Request as PFK 0. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
In 1099194836526387.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 12/16/2011 at 11:01 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: But the code points that later became lower case There were none that I know of[1] Those came in with, e.g., ASCII, EBCDIC. Before that, all IBM computers other than the 7030 used either a two digit code or a six bit code, with no lower case in either case[2] [1] Anybody know whether Stretch had code points for lower case? [2] Pun deliberate. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:18:02 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: But the code points that later became lower case There were none that I know of[1] Those came in with, e.g., ASCII, EBCDIC. Before that, all IBM computers other than the 7030 used either a two digit code or a six bit code, with no lower case in either case[2] CDC (not IBM) started with 6 bits and later added shift in/out to support lower case. [1] Anybody know whether Stretch had code points for lower case? Yes. This guy: http://www.bobbemer.com/P-BIT.HTM -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
was looking for a way to activate the 'caps lock' key without the user actually having to depress the 'caps lock' within spf after initiating a rexx exec. the panel the rexx displays would be a whole lot easier to read if the letters show up in caps when typed. expecting users to turn on caps lock to play this game is asking a lot. --- On Thu, 12/15/11, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com Subject: Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key? To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 5:11 PM On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:17:27 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: on 12/14/2011 at 05:21 PM, Cris Hernandez #9 said: yeah, TRANSLATE works to change it after the user hits enter, but I want characters to show in caps as soon as the character is typed, How could ISPF do that? Not entirely ISPF, but: set CAPS OFF. Depress the CAPS LOCK on your keyboard. Voila! WYSIWYG; problem solved. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
yeah, that sounds like what I want to do, but to my knowledge there's no way to get an spf panel display to read/replace a character as soon as it's typed. no wonder web developers loath the mainframe... it isn't just a lack of pictures. I'll check the links pubs ref'd in this stream (thanks to all) to see if there's a way to script an interface to the terminal emulator to turn on caps lock. sounds simple enough to send the key sequence without actually tapping the actual key. --- On Thu, 12/15/11, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: From: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com Subject: Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key? To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 10:34 AM Perhaps it is a case where mixed case is often needed, but upper case is required in one or more fields. Granted, in this case, it is possible to upper case the user's lower case input in the host code. But it may be more aesthetically pleasing to have the input upper cased as the user is entering it, without forcing the user to press the CAPS LOCK key. I actually do this sort of thing in one Web application, using Javascript in the browser. The user can type in lower case, but the characters are echoed to the form in UPPER case. This reinforces that the input will be processed in UPPER CASE only. Also, I do character level validation. For example, if I want a digit, pressing a non-digit key results in nothing appearing in the field. Instant feedback (any maybe frustration to the user who really, really wants to add A to the cost). This is not possible with a 3270 data stream. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key? snip I got to wondering: why do you (the OP) want everything in caps? The right way to do it, I believe, is to accept input as the user gives it. If you want to capitalize (for consistency in compare operations, for example), copy it to a work area, translate the string copy to uppercase, then do the compare. User friendly is programmer difficult. But it's the right way to go. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
thanks to all for the feedback. it's a hummingbird terminal emulator but I have no idea how to program it by any other means than using the options panels provided. the consensus here seems to be that if it can be done, the emulator would need to be sent code to turn caps on. appreciate everyone's fond memories of dumb terminals as well, they may have been featureless, but I never had to shut down TSO because the system was hosed... a lot less distractions too. --- On Wed, 12/14/11, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com Subject: Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key? To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 8:37 PM On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:21:11 -0800, Cris Hernandez #9 wrote: yeah, TRANSLATE works to change it after the user hits enter, but I want characters to show in caps as soon as the character is typed, for visual purposes more so than anything else, and do so in both panel displays and spf editing. Data entry at the terminal is completely invisible to ISPF. No setting can affect it. Hmmm. Of course you may have the source to x3270. You could modify it. If there were way to send an escape sequence to the terminal, sort of complementary to the pt3270 that oedit/obrowse use, or akin to the mode switching done by IND$FILE, a nonsensical cursor addressing sequence, an emulator could capture that and switch the case. Your motivation is good. It seriously violates WYSIWYG to type a page of text; press ENTER; and stare in dismay as the whole page changes. The worst design ever was the old 3277 (IIRC) which displayed text in CAPS and sent it to the host in lower case. And some independent terminal vendors actually provided a switch to enable compatibility with this horrendous misfeature. also wondering if panels have the ability to enlarge font size by row. Does your terminal hardware (emulator) have this capability? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ken Brick On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:21:11 -0800, Cris Hernandez #9 wrote: yeah, TRANSLATE works to change it after the user hits enter, but I want characters to show in caps as soon as the character is typed, for visual purposes more so than anything else, and do so in both panel displays and spf editing. Caps Lock key? Emulator setting? Data entry at the terminal is completely invisible to ISPF. No setting can affect it. I seem to remember a 3270 attribute byte setting that would cause UPPER CASING. Don't have a 3270 programmers guide handy. http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/CN7P4000/4.4. 1 I don't see such an attribute documented -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
I had a similar problem (argument in my case) with a programmer. He put the 3278 upper case toggle ON. And entered all his data in lower case. Then threw a fit when the compiler complained. He's looking at the screen saying the damn compiler is broken. I flip the switch to show him his code is in lower case. He flipped it back and said No, it isn't! Fix the bleep compiler!! I refued to talk with him ever again. He was a complete idiot. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Elardus Engelbrecht Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 12:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key? snip War story ( circa 1990 around): I was once called because an user's Caps lock and shift key was 'broken'. Everything the poor girl typed in was in CAPS, printouts was CAPS, etc. She was just 'CAPped out'. :-D (Yes, she was a young blondie... :-D) To her relief it turned out that her ancient 3270 terminal switch just needed to be toggled. :-D Hope this helps your quest. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
There is no code to send to the terminal to display lower case as caps in 3270 architecture - it was a manual switch on 3278's, to make the local display show both upper and lower case as upper case at the terminal even though dual case was transmitted both ways. It was global for the entire display, not field specific. If Hummingbird is an accurate 3270 emulator, it should have an option to emulate this feature, but I doubt this is what you are seeking, as it can get extremely confusing in a hurry with applications that actually support or require dual case in some contexts. This display option made sense in the late 1970's when all applications still required upper case and all 3270 applications forced all input to upper case. This feature was also for the benefit of users familiar with prior 3277 mono-case display limitations, who found 3278 dual-case behavior distracting when ENTER was pressed and the application echoed data back to the terminal in upper case and changed the visual appearance. I used 3277's for a relatively short time before 3278's became available and quickly adapted to preferring dual-case mode even for mono-case applications, as it made it obvious whether you had actually sent the data to the application or not. Some of the old timers of that day disliked the hardware change and continued to use the mono-case setting on 3278's for years. JC Ewing On 12/15/2011 02:29 AM, Cris Hernandez #9 wrote: thanks to all for the feedback. it's a hummingbird terminal emulator but I have no idea how to program it by any other means than using the options panels provided. the consensus here seems to be that if it can be done, the emulator would need to be sent code to turn caps on. appreciate everyone's fond memories of dumb terminals as well, they may have been featureless, but I never had to shut down TSO because the system was hosed... a lot less distractions too. --- On Wed, 12/14/11, Paul Gilmartinpaulgboul...@aim.com wrote: From: Paul Gilmartinpaulgboul...@aim.com Subject: Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key? To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 8:37 PM On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:21:11 -0800, Cris Hernandez #9 wrote: yeah, TRANSLATE works to change it after the user hits enter, but I want characters to show in caps as soon as the character is typed, for visual purposes more so than anything else, and do so in both panel displays and spf editing. Data entry at the terminal is completely invisible to ISPF. No setting can affect it. Hmmm. Of course you may have the source to x3270. You could modify it. If there were way to send an escape sequence to the terminal, sort of complementary to the pt3270 that oedit/obrowse use, or akin to the mode switching done by IND$FILE, a nonsensical cursor addressing sequence, an emulator could capture that and switch the case. Your motivation is good. It seriously violates WYSIWYG to type a page of text; press ENTER; and stare in dismay as the whole page changes. The worst design ever was the old 3277 (IIRC) which displayed text in CAPS and sent it to the host in lower case. And some independent terminal vendors actually provided a switch to enable compatibility with this horrendous misfeature. also wondering if panels have the ability to enlarge font size by row. Does your terminal hardware (emulator) have this capability? -- gil ... -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Thomas Berg -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List För McKown, John I had a similar problem (argument in my case) with a programmer. He put the 3278 upper case toggle ON. And entered all his data in lower case. Then threw a fit when the compiler complained. He's looking at the screen saying the damn compiler is broken. I flip the switch to show him his code is in lower case. He flipped it back and said No, it isn't! Fix the bleep compiler!! I refued to talk with him ever again. He was a complete idiot. Really ? I don't think so. There is always somewhere an idiot with some additional feature, thus a *more* complete idiot! I think you're confusing complete with perfect. :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
On 12/14/2011 7:58 PM, John McKown wrote: On Wed, 2011-12-14 at 17:21 -0800, Cris Hernandez #9 wrote: yeah, TRANSLATE works to change it after the user hits enter, but I want characters to show in caps as soon as the character is typed, for visual purposes more so than anything else, and do so in both panel displays and spf editing. also wondering if panels have the ability to enlarge font size by row. This simply cannot be controlled from the z/OS side of things. There is nothing in the 3270 data stream architecture for this type of functionality. Now, with HLLAPI on the PC side and some tricky coding, you might be able to get something working. But this would be specific to the PC emulator with your mods in it. So if somebody else tried, it wouldn't work. Or if, like us, your emulator is supported by desktop support and they make a change, POOF! there goes your customization. I got to wondering: why do you (the OP) want everything in caps? The right way to do it, I believe, is to accept input as the user gives it. If you want to capitalize (for consistency in compare operations, for example), copy it to a work area, translate the string copy to uppercase, then do the compare. User friendly is programmer difficult. But it's the right way to go. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-355-2752 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
McKown, John wrote: I had a similar problem (argument in my case) with a programmer. He put the 3278 upper case toggle ON. And entered all his data in lower case. Then threw a fit when the compiler complained. He's looking at the screen saying the damn compiler is broken. I flip the switch to show him his code is in lower case. He flipped it back and said No, it isn't! Fix the bleep compiler!! I refued to talk with him ever again. He was a complete idiot. That was a real bad CASE of an idiotic programmer. In what BASIC language did he worked? ;-D Just 're-compile' his brain permanently in 'lower case state' with something very very sharp. :-D This alone may preserve the gene pool from his problem of being 'case' challenged... :-D I rest my case... Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Comstock [ snip ] I got to wondering: why do you (the OP) want everything in caps? The right way to do it, I believe, is to accept input as the user gives it. If you want to capitalize (for consistency in compare operations, for example), copy it to a work area, translate the string copy to uppercase, then do the compare. User friendly is programmer difficult. But it's the right way to go. FSVO right. But if the intent is to demonstrate (dramatize?) the obsolescence of the mainframe, one way might be to show that the mainframe has to have everything in uppercase. :-) -jc- -- I'm not loafing. I work so fast, I'm always finished! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
I got to wondering: why do you (the OP) want everything in caps? The right way to do it, I believe, is to accept input as the user gives it. If you want to capitalize (for consistency in compare operations, for example), copy it to a work area, translate the string copy to uppercase, then do the compare. Remember until recent years, applications on MVS and z/OS wouldnt accept lower case and most applications either forced upper case or flagged lower case as an error. Its not just the person's mindset, its a lot of timing and design change from the OPSYS/APPs perspective. Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com From: Chase, John jch...@ussco.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:44 AM Subject: Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Comstock [ snip ] I got to wondering: why do you (the OP) want everything in caps? The right way to do it, I believe, is to accept input as the user gives it. If you want to capitalize (for consistency in compare operations, for example), copy it to a work area, translate the string copy to uppercase, then do the compare. User friendly is programmer difficult. But it's the right way to go. FSVO right. But if the intent is to demonstrate (dramatize?) the obsolescence of the mainframe, one way might be to show that the mainframe has to have everything in uppercase. :-) -jc- -- I'm not loafing. I work so fast, I'm always finished! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:50:23 -0800, Cris Hernandez #9 hernandez...@yahoo.com wrote: just wondering if there's a way to turn CAPS ON using an SPF setting so I can set it in a REXX exec so typing occurs in uppercase without having the user hitting the CAPS LOCK key. Get a real terminal, connect it via 3274 and turn on the CAPS switch. :-) I don't know about other emulators, but Vista TN3270 has an ALL CAPS setting just like the real terminals used to have. However, that affects everything, not just what you type. Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
Perhaps it is a case where mixed case is often needed, but upper case is required in one or more fields. Granted, in this case, it is possible to upper case the user's lower case input in the host code. But it may be more aesthetically pleasing to have the input upper cased as the user is entering it, without forcing the user to press the CAPS LOCK key. I actually do this sort of thing in one Web application, using Javascript in the browser. The user can type in lower case, but the characters are echoed to the form in UPPER case. This reinforces that the input will be processed in UPPER CASE only. Also, I do character level validation. For example, if I want a digit, pressing a non-digit key results in nothing appearing in the field. Instant feedback (any maybe frustration to the user who really, really wants to add A to the cost). This is not possible with a 3270 data stream. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key? snip I got to wondering: why do you (the OP) want everything in caps? The right way to do it, I believe, is to accept input as the user gives it. If you want to capitalize (for consistency in compare operations, for example), copy it to a work area, translate the string copy to uppercase, then do the compare. User friendly is programmer difficult. But it's the right way to go. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:34:52 -0600, McKown, John wrote: I actually do this sort of thing in one Web application, using Javascript in the browser. The user can type in lower case, but the characters are echoed to the form in UPPER case. This reinforces that the input will be processed in UPPER CASE only. The correct and intuitive solution to the OP's requirement. This should be a feature of terminal emulators. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:48:27 -0600, Joel C. Ewing wrote: This display option made sense in the late 1970's when all applications still required upper case and all 3270 applications forced all input to upper case. This feature was also for the benefit of users familiar with prior 3277 mono-case display limitations, who found 3278 dual-case behavior distracting when ENTER was pressed and the application echoed data back to the terminal in upper case and changed the visual appearance. WYSIWYG rules! The 3278 case toggle made sense only until the SHIFT LOCK key was supplanted/supplemented by the CASE LOCK. I sympathize with John M's complete idiot -- he properly recognized that something was wrong -- If this be madness, yet there be method in it!. He simply misidentified the perpetrator, but it wasn't himself. The CAPS feature should be removed from ISPF. It violates WYSIWYG and its behavior can better be accomplished with the CAPS LOCK key, Is there a way I can profile ISPF globally so it _never_ sets CAPS ON, even when I edit a file of a previously unknown type containing no lower case characters? But, terminal emulators should have a local CAPS LOCK emulation (the first two I tried haven't.) This would support the user who wants two concurrent sessions, one in CAPS mode, another in Mixed, and who wants to switch focus without toggling the CAPS LOCK switch on the real keyboard. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
We use Bluezone 3270 here and it has a checkbox under the keyboard options labeled: Convert Input to Upper-Case. With that set the 3270 input displays as upper case regardless of the status of the keyboard and does not affect mixed case display fields. -- Donald Grinsell State of Montana 406-444-2983 dgrins...@mt.gov The power of accurate observation is often mistaken for cynicism by those who have not got it. -- George Bernard Shaw -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2011 08:54 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key? But, terminal emulators should have a local CAPS LOCK emulation (the first two I tried haven't.) This would support the user who wants two concurrent sessions, one in CAPS mode, another in Mixed, and who wants to switch focus without toggling the CAPS LOCK switch on the real keyboard. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key? snip The CAPS feature should be removed from ISPF. It violates WYSIWYG and its behavior can better be accomplished with the CAPS LOCK key, Is there a way I can profile ISPF globally so it _never_ sets CAPS ON, even when I edit a file of a previously unknown type containing no lower case characters? No, but n the ISPF edit screen, you can specify an Initial Macro. That initial macro can do a ISREDIT CAPS OFF. Good luck on oedit. The sysprog can configure ISPF to have a 'site wide' initial macro. And there is a CAPS ON selection in ISPCCONF, but no CAPS OFF. How weird. ref: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ispzpc90/1.2.2.1.1 But, terminal emulators should have a local CAPS LOCK emulation (the first two I tried haven't.) This would support the user who wants two concurrent sessions, one in CAPS mode, another in Mixed, and who wants to switch focus without toggling the CAPS LOCK switch on the real keyboard. A very interesting idea! -- gil -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 15 December 2011 12:11, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: No, but n the ISPF edit screen, you can specify an Initial Macro. That initial macro can do a ISREDIT CAPS OFF. But this breaks in the (for me at least) common case where you edit a new member, and then copy in all or part of another member that happens to have data in all caps. ISPF will helpfully switch to CAPS ON mode for you regardless of the initial setting. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
In 1323912071.86519.yahoomailclas...@web31807.mail.mud.yahoo.com, on 12/14/2011 at 05:21 PM, Cris Hernandez #9 hernandez...@yahoo.com said: yeah, TRANSLATE works to change it after the user hits enter, but I want characters to show in caps as soon as the character is typed, How could ISPF do that? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
Instead of getting mad at him and never talking to him again, a better thing would be to show him the UC line command. UCUC on the first line, and UCUC on the last line, enter, and its all in upper case. I've used that a few times. Of course, if you weren't using ISPF, maybe that doesn't apply. If this was 25 years ago or more, that might not have been a valid ISPF command either. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer IBM Global Services Division Dubuque, Iowa - Original Message - From: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com Subject: Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key? I had a similar problem (argument in my case) with a programmer. He put the 3278 upper case toggle ON. And entered all his data in lower case. Then threw a fit when the compiler complained. He's looking at the screen saying the damn compiler is broken. I flip the switch to show him his code is in lower case. He flipped it back and said No, it isn't! Fix the bleep compiler!! I refued to talk with him ever again. He was a complete idiot. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:17:27 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: on 12/14/2011 at 05:21 PM, Cris Hernandez #9 said: yeah, TRANSLATE works to change it after the user hits enter, but I want characters to show in caps as soon as the character is typed, How could ISPF do that? Not entirely ISPF, but: set CAPS OFF. Depress the CAPS LOCK on your keyboard. Voila! WYSIWYG; problem solved. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
I remember the first 3277 I used. When we were converting from VS1 to MVS 3.7, and actually had ISPF, it was a real pain as there were only 5 PFKs. I quickly learned to change PF4 5 to UP and DOWN so at least I could scroll. The last time I used a real 3278 was when I was at PH Mining. I greatly preferred that keyboard to the PC keyboards of today. Now, I use the standard Lenova PC to do all my work. It's keyboard is even worse. I could use a separate keyboard, but that's one more thing on my desk that I'd rather not have. At least they give everyone a 23 inch monitor. I really like that, as I can have one display on the laptop and a different one on the monitor. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer IBM Global Services Division Dubuque, Iowa - Original Message - From: Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:48 AM Subject: Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key? I used 3277's for a relatively short time before 3278's became available and quickly adapted to preferring dual-case mode even for mono-case applications, as it made it obvious whether you had actually sent the data to the application or not. Some of the old timers of that day disliked the hardware change and continued to use the mono-case setting on 3278's for years. JC Ewing -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
I guess to be honest I don't remember if it was a 3277. I do remember that it had 5 PFKs. I beleive they were on the keyboard itself and you had to push another key with the letter key that had the PFK function on it. I remember being very happy when I got a different terminal that had the PFK pad on the side with 12 of them. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer IBM Global Services Division Dubuque, Iowa - Original Message - From: Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key? eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com (Eric Bielefeld) writes: I remember the first 3277 I used. When we were converting from VS1 to MVS 3.7, and actually had ISPF, it was a real pain as there were only 5 PFKs. I quickly learned to change PF4 5 to UP and DOWN so at least I could scroll. are you sure it was a real 3277? pg. 25 shows 32773275 keyboard layouts (two w/o any pfkey and two with 12 pfkeys to right side): http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/ibm/3270/GA27-2749-5_3270descr_Nov75.pdf 3277-1 had 40x12 screen, 3277-2 had 80x24 screen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_3270 we complained bitterly about change from 3272/3277 to 3274/3278 ... lots of the electronics were moved out of the terminal head back into the controller for 3274/3278 (reducing manufacturing costs) making it impossible to meet requirement for .2 second response. also because of electronics in the head of 3277 it was possible to do some hack of electronics to make 3277 a little more friendly for interactive computing (eliminate keyboard lock when typing at the moment screen updates, changing repeat key delay rate) ... old post with benchmark numbers from when 3278 was first introduced: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#19 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In 1323961439.48878.yahoomail...@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com, on 12/15/2011 at 07:03 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: Remember until recent years, FSVO recent. applications on MVS and z/OS wouldnt accept lower case That hasn't been true for decades. It was never true for z/OS. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In 0676857379500714.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 12/15/2011 at 09:53 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: The CAPS feature should be removed from ISPF. No way, José! It violates WYSIWYG You say that as if WYSIWYG were a design goal instead of a cult. and its behavior can better be accomplished with the CAPS LOCK key, No. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In 4977449114515268.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu, on 12/15/2011 at 09:57 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: The correct and intuitive solution to the OP's requirement. Not even close. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:27:44 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 1323961439.48878.yahoomail...@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com, on 12/15/2011 at 07:03 AM, Scott Ford said: Remember until recent years, FSVO recent. applications on MVS and z/OS wouldn't accept lower case That hasn't been true for decades. It was never true for z/OS. As a blanket statement, it was never true for any plausible predecessor of z/OS or MVS. For example, I'm confident that as long as IEBGENER existed, it would accept lower case on SYSUT1 and copy it unchanged to SYSUT2. ( o but I haven't an ancient IEBGENER around to verify. o and IIRC you dislike IEBGENER, so perhaps you won't count it.) Or do utilities not count as applications? Define application. Again, I'm confident that at least one very old application would accept (define accept) lower case, at least in comments. And very old assemblers tolerated lower case in macro arguments, perhaps better than HLASM does. (But only as long as assemblers supported macros.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Or could you use TRANSLATE in the REXX exec to make it uppercase regardless of the input? Sent from my iPad On Dec 15, 2011, at 13:51, Cris Hernandez #9 hernandez...@yahoo.com wrote: just wondering if there's a way to turn CAPS ON using an SPF setting so I can set it in a REXX exec so typing occurs in uppercase without having the user hitting the CAPS LOCK key. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
yeah, TRANSLATE works to change it after the user hits enter, but I want characters to show in caps as soon as the character is typed, for visual purposes more so than anything else, and do so in both panel displays and spf editing. also wondering if panels have the ability to enlarge font size by row. --- On Wed, 12/14/11, Field, Alan C. alan.c.fi...@supervalu.com wrote: From: Field, Alan C. alan.c.fi...@supervalu.com Subject: Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key? To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2011, 7:56 PM Or could you use TRANSLATE in the REXX exec to make it uppercase regardless of the input? Sent from my iPad On Dec 15, 2011, at 13:51, Cris Hernandez #9 hernandez...@yahoo.com wrote: just wondering if there's a way to turn CAPS ON using an SPF setting so I can set it in a REXX exec so typing occurs in uppercase without having the user hitting the CAPS LOCK key. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:21:11 -0800, Cris Hernandez #9 wrote: yeah, TRANSLATE works to change it after the user hits enter, but I want characters to show in caps as soon as the character is typed, for visual purposes more so than anything else, and do so in both panel displays and spf editing. Data entry at the terminal is completely invisible to ISPF. No setting can affect it. Hmmm. Of course you may have the source to x3270. You could modify it. If there were way to send an escape sequence to the terminal, sort of complementary to the pt3270 that oedit/obrowse use, or akin to the mode switching done by IND$FILE, a nonsensical cursor addressing sequence, an emulator could capture that and switch the case. Your motivation is good. It seriously violates WYSIWYG to type a page of text; press ENTER; and stare in dismay as the whole page changes. The worst design ever was the old 3277 (IIRC) which displayed text in CAPS and sent it to the host in lower case. And some independent terminal vendors actually provided a switch to enable compatibility with this horrendous misfeature. also wondering if panels have the ability to enlarge font size by row. Does your terminal hardware (emulator) have this capability? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
On Wed, 2011-12-14 at 17:21 -0800, Cris Hernandez #9 wrote: yeah, TRANSLATE works to change it after the user hits enter, but I want characters to show in caps as soon as the character is typed, for visual purposes more so than anything else, and do so in both panel displays and spf editing. also wondering if panels have the ability to enlarge font size by row. This simply cannot be controlled from the z/OS side of things. There is nothing in the 3270 data stream architecture for this type of functionality. Now, with HLLAPI on the PC side and some tricky coding, you might be able to get something working. But this would be specific to the PC emulator with your mods in it. So if somebody else tried, it wouldn't work. Or if, like us, your emulator is supported by desktop support and they make a change, POOF! there goes your customization. -- John McKown Maranatha! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:21:11 -0800, Cris Hernandez #9 wrote: yeah, TRANSLATE works to change it after the user hits enter, but I want characters to show in caps as soon as the character is typed, for visual purposes more so than anything else, and do so in both panel displays and spf editing. Data entry at the terminal is completely invisible to ISPF. No setting can affect it. I seem to remember a 3270 attribute byte setting that would cause UPPER CASING. Don't have a 3270 programmers guide handy. Even if my memory is correct ISPF may not be programmed to accept the attribute Ken -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there an SPF setting to turn CAPS ON like keyboard key?
Cris Hernandez wrote: just wondering if there's a way to turn CAPS ON using an SPF setting so I can set it in a REXX exec so typing occurs in uppercase without having the user hitting the CAPS LOCK key. Sort of, but, first, let us get some things clear: 1. What you type on your keyboard is received by whatever is driving those ISPF dialogs. You see just what you type until you press ENTER, then depending on the code, those text can be TRANSLATED to UPPER case or replaced with something else. It all depends on your code page, keyboard, emulator, fonts, etc. 2. You said something about 'spf edit'. You can set the user's edit profile so that CAPS is ON, but then the user will still see lower case letters, but they are translated to UPPER case when ENTER is pressed. (Please read Paul Gilmartin's reply, he worded it better than me... :-D ) (John McKown is absolutely correct about those 3270 data streams. Anything you typed in are all transferred unchanged via TCP/IP and VTAM all the way to your address space containing your TSO /ISPF session.) Depending on your emulator software, you can force your emulator to display everything to UPPERCASE. I have an emulator with a setting of 'Dual Case.' Toggling it on or off you can see only UPPER CASE or UPPER/lower case text. I'm sure PC3270 emulater from IBM has this setting too. But still, despite those toggling, the actual characters are sent over in lower or UPPER case just as you typed them in. It reminds me of the old ancient 3270 terminals, there was a switch on the front where you can do the same toggling. War story ( circa 1990 around): I was once called because an user's Caps lock and shift key was 'broken'. Everything the poor girl typed in was in CAPS, printouts was CAPS, etc. She was just 'CAPped out'. :-D (Yes, she was a young blondie... :-D) To her relief it turned out that her ancient 3270 terminal switch just needed to be toggled. :-D Hope this helps your quest. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
