Re: SPFLOG
>But the log can also serve as an audit trail for dataset creates, renames, and >deletes. So can SMF. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:54:16 -0700, Edward Jaffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >John P Kalinich wrote: >> Yes, very useful. I run with the log and list allocated to a SYSOUT hold >> class. So far today I have around 100 or so lines in the log. >> > >It's hard to imagine that kind of low activity logging could ever be >perceived as slowing things down. Look at how much goes into an MVS >system trace every second! > > Exactly! If you want to turn it off because it you have no use, it annoys you to see the "hlq.SPFLOGn.LIST has been deleted" message or whatever, that is fine. But don't do it because you think it will give you some sort of performance boost. If you want to know some things that will help (like turning off RECOVERY), we should take the discussion over to ISPF-L (or consult the ISPF customization which has recommendations). Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Steve Comstock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don Leahy wrote: > > IMO, it should be turned off by default. Users who develop ISPF > > dialogs should be able to figure out how to turn it on for themselves. > > > > My $0.02 > > > > But the log can also serve as an audit trail for dataset > creates, renames, and deletes. Sometims useful outside of the > world of dialog development. > > > Kind regards, > > -Steve Comstock Good point, but I know of few people who use the log that way. My view may be colored by one of my 'colleagues' who recently raised an issue against an innocent ISPF dialog because his LOG data set ran into a x37 abend. When I asked him what his LOG data set settings were, he looked at me like I was speaking a foreign language. (He was using option 3, Keep data set - same). I think he needs one of your courses. :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
John P Kalinich wrote: Yes, very useful. I run with the log and list allocated to a SYSOUT hold class. So far today I have around 100 or so lines in the log. It's hard to imagine that kind of low activity logging could ever be perceived as slowing things down. Look at how much goes into an MVS system trace every second! -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
Don Leahy wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:05 PM, John P Kalinich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tom Marchant of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 04/15/2008 12:54:39 PM: > On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:38:34 -0500, John P Kalinich wrote: >> >>Logging is only necessary when you are tracing variable and function calls >>with Dialog Test (Option 7). > > You forgot to say, "IMO". > > I find it useful. > Yes, very useful. I run with the log and list allocated to a SYSOUT hold class. So far today I have around 100 or so lines in the log. IMO, it should be turned off by default. Users who develop ISPF dialogs should be able to figure out how to turn it on for themselves. My $0.02 But the log can also serve as an audit trail for dataset creates, renames, and deletes. Sometims useful outside of the world of dialog development. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques ==> call or email to receive a free sample student handout <== -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:05 PM, John P Kalinich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tom Marchant of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List > wrote on 04/15/2008 12:54:39 PM: > > > > On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:38:34 -0500, John P Kalinich wrote: > >> > >>Logging is only necessary when you are tracing variable and function > calls > >>with Dialog Test (Option 7). > > > > You forgot to say, "IMO". > > > > I find it useful. > > > > Yes, very useful. I run with the log and list allocated to a SYSOUT hold > class. So far today I have around 100 or so lines in the log. > IMO, it should be turned off by default. Users who develop ISPF dialogs should be able to figure out how to turn it on for themselves. My $0.02 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
Tom Marchant of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 04/15/2008 12:54:39 PM: > On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:38:34 -0500, John P Kalinich wrote: >> >>Logging is only necessary when you are tracing variable and function calls >>with Dialog Test (Option 7). > > You forgot to say, "IMO". > > I find it useful. > Yes, very useful. I run with the log and list allocated to a SYSOUT hold class. So far today I have around 100 or so lines in the log. Regards, John K -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:38:34 -0500, John P Kalinich wrote: > >Logging is only necessary when you are tracing variable and function calls >with Dialog Test (Option 7). You forgot to say, "IMO". I find it useful. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
>I've never seen anyone who could tell a performance imapct of keeping it on. >Either system wide or individually. >Ted, do you have any response time numbers or overhead numbers? Not lately, but I have seen it in a small shop with limited TSO DASD. Besides, the best I/O is no I/O. I convinced everybody, where I last worked, to turn it off. Maybe it was the placebo effect, but empirically, response improved. If I'm doing needless I/O, I have to be introducing something into the mix. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:38:34 -0500, John P Kalinich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Two points: >> > 1. It's in the config utility (ISRCONFG?) somewhere. >> > 2. Why do you want to slow your ISPF session down by logging? >> > >> >> #2 - Being an MVS newbie, I don't why you would or wouldn't want logging. >> It comes out of the box turned on, and I didn't know you could turn it >off. > >Logging is only necessary when you are tracing variable and function calls >with Dialog Test (Option 7). > I've never seen anyone who could tell a performance imapct of keeping it on. Either system wide or individually. Ted, do you have any response time numbers or overhead numbers? Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
>#2 - Being an MVS newbie, I don't why you would or wouldn't want logging. >It comes out of the box turned on, and I didn't know you could turn it off. Logging introduces overhead that you don't really need. On the command line type log. Then set the initial page size to "0". - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:58 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: SPFLOG >Why not contribute it to the CBTTAPE site? Sam G. is generally >appreciative of all contributions. Sam K. just doesn't always have the >time to work on the site, since he's still gainfully employed. As pointed out by others, this is now unnecessary. The ISPCCONF exec will do the equivalent with no exit at all. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
Ah - Sure don't need that. I'll be figuring out how to turn that off. Thanks. On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:38 AM, John P Kalinich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Pace of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List > wrote > on 04/15/2008 07:27:10 AM: > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Two points: > > > 1. It's in the config utility (ISRCONFG?) somewhere. > > > 2. Why do you want to slow your ISPF session down by logging? > > > > > > > #2 - Being an MVS newbie, I don't why you would or wouldn't want > logging. > > It comes out of the box turned on, and I didn't know you could turn it > off. > > Logging is only necessary when you are tracing variable and function calls > with Dialog Test (Option 7). > > Regards, > John K > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
Mark Pace of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 04/15/2008 07:27:10 AM: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Two points: > > 1. It's in the config utility (ISRCONFG?) somewhere. > > 2. Why do you want to slow your ISPF session down by logging? > > > > #2 - Being an MVS newbie, I don't why you would or wouldn't want logging. > It comes out of the box turned on, and I didn't know you could turn it off. Logging is only necessary when you are tracing variable and function calls with Dialog Test (Option 7). Regards, John K -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Two points: > 1. It's in the config utility (ISRCONFG?) somewhere. > 2. Why do you want to slow your ISPF session down by logging? > #2 - Being an MVS newbie, I don't why you would or wouldn't want logging. It comes out of the box turned on, and I didn't know you could turn it off. -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
--- You need to install ISPEXIT number 16. I already have such a thing which creates DSNs of "userid.SYS&SYSNAME. ...". However, this may not be all that you need. You also need to use a different ISPF profile dataset on each system. That's because ISPF does an SPFEDIT global ENQ on the ISPF profile dataset. Well really on a number of members in the profile dataset. But it ends up doing the same thing: On the second system you cannot get into ISPF due to the ENQ. I am, of course, assuming that you are in a GRSPlex or MIMPlex and passing SPFEDIT around the 'plex. Ref: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/isppla03/3.16 My exit is only 89 lines long. If you want, I can email it to you. Note to others: if you want the exit as well, please, please, please email me directly at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and don't reply to this email on the list. I really get P.O.'ed at people who do that! -- Why not contribute it to the CBTTAPE site? Sam G. is generally appreciative of all contributions. Sam K. just doesn't always have the time to work on the site, since he's still gainfully employed. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
>I hate to ask this question, but I have searched and searched and can not find >where the SPFLOG list dataset name is defined. I have 2 systems sharing data, and I want to rename the *userid*.SPFLOG1.LIST dataset to something system specific so that I can log on the each system with the same userid at the same time. Two points: 1. It's in the config utility (ISRCONFG?) somewhere. 2. Why do you want to slow your ISPF session down by logging? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:01 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: SPFLOG > > > On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:58:08 -0500, McKown, John > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > > You don't need exit 16 to do that since OS/390 R10. See the $SNGLTSO > doc on my web site for CBT file 434 for details. > > Mark > -- Ah, yes, the ISPF_TEMPORARY_DATA_SET_QUALIFIER. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:58:08 -0500, McKown, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >You need to install ISPEXIT number 16. I already have such a thing which >creates DSNs of "userid.SYS&SYSNAME. ...". However, this may not be all >that you need. You also need to use a different ISPF profile dataset on >each system. That's because ISPF does an SPFEDIT global ENQ on the ISPF >profile dataset. Well really on a number of members in the profile >dataset. But it ends up doing the same thing: On the second system you >cannot get into ISPF due to the ENQ. I am, of course, assuming that you >are in a GRSPlex or MIMPlex and passing SPFEDIT around the 'plex. > You don't need exit 16 to do that since OS/390 R10. See the $SNGLTSO doc on my web site for CBT file 434 for details. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SPFLOG
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 2:35 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: SPFLOG > > > I hate to ask this question, but I have searched and searched > and can not > find where the SPFLOG list dataset name is defined. I have 2 systems > sharing data, and I want to rename the *userid*.SPFLOG1.LIST > dataset to > something system specific so that I can log on the each > system with the same > userid at the same time. > > -- > Mark Pace You need to install ISPEXIT number 16. I already have such a thing which creates DSNs of "userid.SYS&SYSNAME. ...". However, this may not be all that you need. You also need to use a different ISPF profile dataset on each system. That's because ISPF does an SPFEDIT global ENQ on the ISPF profile dataset. Well really on a number of members in the profile dataset. But it ends up doing the same thing: On the second system you cannot get into ISPF due to the ENQ. I am, of course, assuming that you are in a GRSPlex or MIMPlex and passing SPFEDIT around the 'plex. Ref: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/isppla03/3.16 My exit is only 89 lines long. If you want, I can email it to you. Note to others: if you want the exit as well, please, please, please email me directly at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and don't reply to this email on the list. I really get P.O.'ed at people who do that! -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
