Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
Martin, all I am pleased to hear that IBM is embracing social networks including Facebook, LinkedIn, and Twitter. Companies that want to connect with their customers and attract bright young college grads need to get onboard. College grads today assume everyone is on Facebook. When asked they will tell you that it is better than email because it supports multiple channels of communication with multi-media including not only text but also pictures, video, sound, etc. I joined Facebook in 2009 at the request of my daughters. It is a great way to get and stay in touch with family, friends, neighbors, work associates, customers, etc. All you need to give Facebook is an email to verify plus a password. You can change settings to turn off as much of the email notifications as you want. I get a lot more email scam posts per week than I do Facebook scam posts. You can choose how much you want to share and with whom you share it. I usally update my own status only once a week or so, I share events I think other friends and associates might be interested like a new www.z390.org release or Rotary or family event. I scan wall postings from friends once a day and make a few comments if appropriate, and that is part of the magic of Facebook where you get to know friends better. At least 600 million people think so. You can find me here: http://www.facebook.com/don.higgins This week I returned from Rotary International convention in New Orleans where one of the highlights was a speech by Bill Gates on the eradication of polio. Bill has made that the number one priority of his foundation and has contributed over $350 million dollars to it. Rotary has contribled over a billion dollars and we are now down to a few hundred remaining cases on only 4 countries in the world. Rotary and its 1.2 million business leaders have adopted social networks and a useful tool for building friendships and promoting service above self. You can find more on Bill Gates talk here: www.rotary.org/en/MediaAndNews/News/Pages/110524_IC11_plenthree.aspx And you can find over 120,000 fans of Rotary International here on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/rotary Don Higgins d...@higgins.net -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
Facebook access is not just allowed in IBM but actively encouraged. And heavily used. (Likewise Slideshare, LinkedIn, FourSquare and Twitter - and this isn't a prescriptive list.) Martin Martin Packer, Mainframe Performance Consultant, zChampion Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
In the context of this debate, you may find it interesting to read IBM Social Computing Guidelines at http://www.ibm.com/blogs/zz/en/guidelines.html The page provides a bit of history and rationale for encouraging the use of social media before getting into some fairly detailed guidelines. It is quite apparent that the lawyers have been involved in some of the details, but I think this quote provides a good summary: ... it is very much in IBM's interest—and, we believe, in each IBMer's own—to be aware of and participate in this sphere of information, interaction and idea exchange At organizations that choose to block such sites, perhaps IBM's perspective might be useful in persuading management to reconsider their policy. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
On Thu, 26 May 2011 09:32:20 -0500, Ralph Robison ralph.robi...@compuware.com wrote: In the context of this debate, you may find it interesting to read IBM Social Computing Guidelines at http://www.ibm.com/blogs/zz/en/guidelines.html snip Since I started this thread I want to add something more. I have nothing against FB, nor David Cole's (or any other vendors) use of it and I am a FB user. The only issue I was bringing up was that the information may have only been on FB and not on his website (at least not as stated in his post to IBM-MAIN nor from what I could easily find) and that many corporations block out FB and that I was seeing more of this type of thing over the last year or so. David brought up the fact that many companies are using facebook and I agree. But I also think most people would probably agree that it is primarily for marketing, advertising etc., although there are other uses and benefits. So all of that is good. Use facebook, LinkedIn, blogs, wikies and whatever comes along next. Take advantage of whatever outlets you can for getting information out to people and marketing your product. I just think because of the corporate policies as they stand in today's environments, it makes sense to have the technical information available from the traditional places (your corporate web site) as well. At organizations that choose to block such sites, perhaps IBM's perspective might be useful in persuading management to reconsider their policy. We have some IBMers on this list. Would any of them care to divulge whether facebook access is allowed from the office network or not? Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
Really ??... 'social networking' oh wait ... it's now social 'computing' . there seems to be so many definitions ... I'll leave supposed 'rationale' and everything else aside. Sure, as long as sales can be affected, it definitely is in IBM's interest just as was in Microsoft's interest. If you had to have brain or heart surgery ... would you let a two year old monkey perform the operation ??. Yet ... IBM and everybody else, are insistent on doing just that .. why ??. So their CxO's can pocket seven figures at the expense of the company !!... Shareholders ?? Board of Investors ??? gee ... I see them akin to the two year old monkeys !!. Jim Thomas 617-233-4130 (mobile) 636-294-1014(res) j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ralph Robison Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC) In the context of this debate, you may find it interesting to read IBM Social Computing Guidelines at http://www.ibm.com/blogs/zz/en/guidelines.html The page provides a bit of history and rationale for encouraging the use of social media before getting into some fairly detailed guidelines. It is quite apparent that the lawyers have been involved in some of the details, but I think this quote provides a good summary: ... it is very much in IBM's interest-and, we believe, in each IBMer's own-to be aware of and participate in this sphere of information, interaction and idea exchange At organizations that choose to block such sites, perhaps IBM's perspective might be useful in persuading management to reconsider their policy. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3660 - Release Date: 05/25/11 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
At 5/26/2011 10:32 AM, Ralph Robison wrote: In the context of this debate, you may find it interesting to read IBM Social Computing Guidelines at http://www.ibm.com/blogs/zz/en/guidelines.html Great find, Ralph! Thanks, Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
As I'm one of the contributors to them - particularly in how to treat dealings with customers - I hope you like them. If you don't then I'm receptive... Martin Martin Packer, Mainframe Performance Consultant, zChampion Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 26/05/2011 18:47 Subject: Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC) Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu At 5/26/2011 10:32 AM, Ralph Robison wrote: In the context of this debate, you may find it interesting to read IBM Social Computing Guidelines at http://www.ibm.com/blogs/zz/en/guidelines.html Great find, Ralph! Thanks, Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
We have some IBMers on this list. Would any of them care to divulge whether facebook access is allowed from the office network or not? Facebook can be accessed from the office network, at least in Poughkeepsie. I would guess that the following Facebook account is maintained by someone in IBM, although I don't know that for sure. https://www.facebook.com/IBMsystemz Jim Mulder z/OS System Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie, NY -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
Ted MacNEIL wrote: It's not necessarily phobic. It's the fact that most of your customers' management have policies in place to block. Very true, most of those managements [1] don't like it that you use the company's resources to access things which could be classified as 'private' or 'non company related'. Another reason is that your company network must be available as much for their customers for, ahem, cough-cough, work purposes! For example, my company blocks gamesites, FB, youtube, twitter and lots of others, but not google, wikipedia and linkedin. This is the normal trend here in sunny South Africa. ;-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht [1] - the very same management do scans for slander on the companies on FB... You say something nasty on FB about your employer at your own risk of being fired... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: snip Direct email to your customers would be the most straightforward way to accomplish such notice. A newsletter would be appropriate too. I suspect that any or all of your employees already have the necessary skills for that kind of communication. It is surprising how direct e-mail no longer works. We get e-mail bounces all the time because we wind up on some spam-list somewhere, or someone doesn't put us in their white list. It's a strange phenomenon, but the communication technology appears to create less of both. For awhile - we were doing webinars to try and reach people, but those fizzled-out as well. As with many other companies, we have to do a `little dance'. Too much information is frowned on, too little information is frowned on... so, having the user control that seems like a good approach. One other item I'd point out; if you move to just a facebook page, there's no longer a need to pay anyone to keep a web server running, to design the page, etc... just throw stuff on your facebook page and be done with it. So, it's cost-effective.Facebook, perhaps, will have the effect of commoditizing web page creation and lowering costs. Of course, everyone's web page will look the same, but that's what 'commoditizing' does; all 1/4 bolts look like 1/4 bolts. So - in this new/modern era, should companies call customers one-by-one, should they send out e-mail blasts that just get bounced or ignored, should they take out ads in paper magazines that no-one reads, should they do webinars that the same 10 people attend, should they spend $$$ on fancy websites so people can say - that's pretty? Perhaps I'm cynical about this... but, I applaud David Cole's experiment! I plan to go like the page the next time I go to Facebook. Dignus also has a Facebook page, but we haven't done much with it (and not too many people have stumbled onto it.) And, I'm open to all suggestions/criticisms... if someone has a good idea they - I'd love to hear it! - Dave Rivers - -- riv...@dignus.comWork: (919) 676-0847 Get your mainframe programming tools at http://www.dignus.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
My employer doesn't even allow access to LinkedIn from the corporate domain. Jeff Holst -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
On 5/24/2011 6:34 AM, Thomas David Rivers wrote: Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: snip Direct email to your customers would be the most straightforward way to accomplish such notice. A newsletter would be appropriate too. I suspect that any or all of your employees already have the necessary skills for that kind of communication. It is surprising how direct e-mail no longer works. We get e-mail bounces all the time because we wind up on some spam-list somewhere, or someone doesn't put us in their white list. It's a strange phenomenon, but the communication technology appears to create less of both. For awhile - we were doing webinars to try and reach people, but those fizzled-out as well. As with many other companies, we have to do a `little dance'. Too much information is frowned on, too little information is frowned on... so, having the user control that seems like a good approach. All true. One other item I'd point out; if you move to just a facebook page, there's no longer a need to pay anyone to keep a web server running, to design the page, etc... just throw stuff on your facebook page and be done with it. So, it's cost-effective. Not necessarily. It's cheap. But if it's not effective then it's _not_ cost effective. Facebook, perhaps, will have the effect of commoditizing web page creation and lowering costs. Of course, everyone's web page will look the same, but that's what 'commoditizing' does; all 1/4 bolts look like 1/4 bolts. So - in this new/modern era, should companies call customers one-by-one, should they send out e-mail blasts that just get bounced or ignored, should they take out ads in paper magazines that no-one reads, should they do webinars that the same 10 people attend, should they spend $$$ on fancy websites so people can say - that's pretty? Yeah. That's a tough one. Perhaps people are inundated with so much information nothing stands out. On top of that, the economy is still recovering and uncertain so companies are reluctant to spend money. (Never mind that there are record amounts of cash just sitting in corporate coffers, and that spending some of that would actually ripple through the system to the good of all!) Perhaps I'm cynical about this... but, I applaud David Cole's experiment! I plan to go like the page the next time I go to Facebook. Dignus also has a Facebook page, but we haven't done much with it (and not too many people have stumbled onto it.) And, I'm open to all suggestions/criticisms... if someone has a good idea they - I'd love to hear it! - Dave Rivers - -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our new tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
I use, trust and recommend OpenDNS - here is their warning and advice: Understanding the latest Facebook scam View the original post on the OpenDNS blog: http://tinyurl.com/3jbnodp Every few weeks there's a new scam that makes the rounds on Facebook. This week it's the Find out who visits your profile, scam, which we've all seen before. Here we take a deeper look at the scam to understand better what exactly the virus is trying to do and how we can all protect ourselves. My advice to Dave Cole: try linkedin next. Andreas F. Geissbuehler AFG Consultants Inc. http://www.afgc-inc.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
At 5/23/2011 09:26 PM, Doug wrote: Cole, The 'Rants and Raves' of the list really do show a unique, though somewhat 'mainframe' view. Glad to see you are still hard at it! Let the Good Karma flow and just sit back and enjoy! Doug Thanks for the encouragement Doug. I appreciate it. [:)] At 5/23/2011 10:03 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote: It's not necessarily phobic. Don't you get it? It's the fact that most of your customers' management have policies in place to block. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL Most? (a) Perhaps. (b) Perhaps not. But Ummm, that's not a fact Ted, that's just a speculation. Some would be a demonstrated fact. And it certainly is a fact that I will have to take into account going forward. As I said, the Facebook presence is an experiment, but so far, it is an experiment that I'm happy with. But the experiment will fizzle if it does not gain wider acceptance, both in the specific case of my own efforts and in the wider audience of our industry in general. But if I had to guess, I'd guess [obviously] that acceptance will broaden. And that already is a fact WRT my own efforts, but only a speculation WRT the industry. [FWIW, the particular Facebook posting of mine in question has garnered 171 impressions since yesterday. I'm quite happy with that...] For those of you who are blocked by company firewalls, I bet that as I and others take to Facebook, you could mount arguments against that blockage. And I bet that some of you could win that argument quickly, and I speculate that most of you could win that argument over the long term. (unless of course your employer is the government... [sigh]) In any case, I'll learn far more by going with b than a. So yes, I think I do get it. At 5/24/2011 07:37 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: For example, my company blocks gamesites, FB, youtube, twitter and lots of others, but not google, wikipedia and linkedin. This is the normal trend here in sunny South Africa. ;-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht Blocking web categories is about as good an idea as cutting diamonds with sledgehammers would be... Another reason is that your company network must be available as much for their customers for, ahem, cough-cough, work purposes! ... but I see I'm preaching to the choir here. For example, my company blocks [...] FB [...] but not [...] linkedin. Maybe I'll have to reconsider my disdain for LinkedIn... At 5/24/2011 08:34 AM, Thomas David Rivers wrote: It is surprising how direct e-mail no longer works. [snip][snip][snip] Thanks, Dave, for expending the effort to articulate what I was too tired to express. You are absolutely right. People do get tired of having more stuff (email, etc.) pushed to them than they can possibly deal with. In my case, there is a vast(!) amount of information reaching my in-box that I would actually find good, useful and interesting to read. BUT even the valuable stuff overwhelms my ability to deal with it. So a lot of very good stuff (such as well over 99% of IBM-MAIN posts) never gets past the subject line with me. I don't agree that our Facebook page would replace our web site, but I do hope it becomes a very good supplement. And as I said in my very first post to this thread, one attraction Facebook has for us is that it is very easy for customers (not blocked by management) to opt-in and, therefore, receive our push because they want(!) to receive our push. Thanks, Dave, for your encouragement. Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
David Cole wrote: Blocking web categories is about as good an idea as cutting diamonds with sledgehammers would be... Yup. Argueing with them holding those hammers proved fruitless... :-) Another reason is that your company network must be available as much for their customers for, ahem, cough-cough, work purposes! ... but I see I'm preaching to the choir here. But I can't sing. If I try, I sing so falsly, that iron things may break... :-D Maybe I'll have to reconsider my disdain for LinkedIn... Let us know how you fared. ;-) Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
On Mon, 23 May 2011 07:46:41 +0100, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com wrote: On a brighter note we don't seem to have been all that slow to adopt Web 1.0. (But maybe I forget...) :-) But I see a big difference between Web 1.0 and Facebook: in Web 1.0, we set up a website and owned the information we publish there. In Facebook, you don't own your information anymore... I would not touch Facebook with a 10' pole... Cheers, Jantje. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
Most? (a) Perhaps. (b) Perhaps not. But Ummm, that's not a fact Ted, that's just a speculation. Actually, it's not. The Toronto Star did a survey a while back and found that a vast majority of corporations block all forms of social media. While F-B was not specified, it is a social site. I do not believe it to be speculation to extrapolate to include, at least, the States. Especially, with all the posts I've seen stating that they can't get there from there. Don't get me wrong, I'm not denigrating social media (I actually subscribe to a lot of them; I have FaceBook, LinkdIn Twitter active on my BlackBerry Torch [9800] all the time. What I don't understand is why choose a channel that is likely blocked? But, I have no intention of making this thread into another drawn out argument -- you are obviously successful with your product and dissemination of information. But, I will do something I don't normally do. I shall volunteer to conduct a straw poll, open until Friday @ 1800 EST (Canada). To not clutter this list, and my usual inbox, io have created a (throw away) e-mail account for this purpose. If you wish to participate in the survey, send your response to edwardamacn...@yahoo.ca. The survey says: Does your company block access to: 1. Social Media, in general? 2. FaceBook, specifically? - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
Please add a third question to your poll... LinkedIn Specifically? Thanks At 5/24/2011 01:41 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote: Most? (a) Perhaps. (b) Perhaps not. But Ummm, that's not a fact Ted, that's just a speculation. Actually, it's not. The Toronto Star did a survey a while back and found that a vast majority of corporations block all forms of social media. While F-B was not specified, it is a social site. I do not believe it to be speculation to extrapolate to include, at least, the States. Especially, with all the posts I've seen stating that they can't get there from there. Don't get me wrong, I'm not denigrating social media (I actually subscribe to a lot of them; I have FaceBook, LinkdIn Twitter active on my BlackBerry Torch [9800] all the time. What I don't understand is why choose a channel that is likely blocked? But, I have no intention of making this thread into another drawn out argument -- you are obviously successful with your product and dissemination of information. But, I will do something I don't normally do. I shall volunteer to conduct a straw poll, open until Friday @ 1800 EST (Canada). To not clutter this list, and my usual inbox, io have created a (throw away) e-mail account for this purpose. If you wish to participate in the survey, send your response to edwardamacn...@yahoo.ca. The survey says: Does your company block access to: 1. Social Media, in general? 2. FaceBook, specifically? - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
Okay. This is the absolute last change. Again please send responses to edwardamacn...@yahoo.ca Does your company block access to: 1. Social Media, in general? 2. FaceBook, specifically? 3. LinkedIn Specifically? I'm not sure how to evaluate any responses before the change in question. But, if I get multiple responses, I'll take the second assuming a revision due to revision. I must have had a hole in my head to even suggest this. The road to Hell ... And, yes, I do realise I said EST when I meant DST. 1808 Toronto (CANADA) on this coming Friday is the deadline -- time determined by YAHOO (.ca) stamps on the e-mail messages. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
In 4ddba5be.9060...@dignus.com, on 05/24/2011 at 08:34 AM, Thomas David Rivers riv...@dignus.com said: We get e-mail bounces all the time because we wind up on some spam-list somewhere, or someone doesn't put us in their white list. Are you sending them yourself or using an ESP? That sort of deliverability problem is normally due either to a disreputable provider or to improperly configured DNS. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
In of15e33e12.392d11eb-on80257899.0024cb30-80257899.00253...@uk.ibm.com, on 05/23/2011 at 07:46 AM, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com said: I don't disagree, Mark, that this can be highly inconvenient. But it's high time that organisations got with the program(me) re modern communications technology. Can we obtain migration assistance from the Center for Inappropriate Technology? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
I don't disagree, Mark, that this can be highly inconvenient. But it's high time that organisations got with the program(me) re modern communications technology. I guess THIS is one of the WORST audiences to peddle that line to. :-) On a brighter note we don't seem to have been all that slow to adopt Web 1.0. (But maybe I forget...) :-) Martin Martin Packer, Mainframe Performance Consultant, zChampion Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 22/05/2011 22:43 Subject: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC) Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu On Sun, 22 May 2011 16:53:50 -0400, David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com wrote: I have posted new maintenance for z/XDC. For details please visit our Facebook page. You can find it by going onto Facebook and searching for ColeSoft. Thank You, Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 I'm not a z/XDC user, but I didn't see the information on your web site. At least not in any obvious place. Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional use? I am seeing this more and more often. It's fine for social purposes but most companies lock out access to Facebook from their corporate networks from what I have seen. Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden On Sun, 22 May 2011 16:53:50 -0400, David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com wrote: I have posted new maintenance for z/XDC. For details please visit our Facebook page. You can find it by going onto Facebook and searching for ColeSoft. Thank You, Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 I'm not a z/XDC user, but I didn't see the information on your web site. At least not in any obvious place. Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional use? I am seeing this more and more often. It's fine for social purposes but most companies lock out access to Facebook from their corporate networks from what I have seen. Indeed. AFAIK, we don't twitter, either. But we do have access to LinkedIn (as of yesterday, anyway). -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
So they like the idea of you going and getting a different job, John. :-) Martin Packer, Mainframe Performance Consultant, zChampion Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Chase, John jch...@ussco.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 23/05/2011 13:12 Subject: Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC) Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden On Sun, 22 May 2011 16:53:50 -0400, David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com wrote: I have posted new maintenance for z/XDC. For details please visit our Facebook page. You can find it by going onto Facebook and searching for ColeSoft. Thank You, Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 I'm not a z/XDC user, but I didn't see the information on your web site. At least not in any obvious place. Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional use? I am seeing this more and more often. It's fine for social purposes but most companies lock out access to Facebook from their corporate networks from what I have seen. Indeed. AFAIK, we don't twitter, either. But we do have access to LinkedIn (as of yesterday, anyway). -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Martin Packer So they like the idea of you going and getting a different job, John. :-) I've already given notice. :-) I'm planning to retire in May of 2014 (if I live that long). -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
On Mon, 23 May 2011 14:37:18 +1000, Shane wrote: Facebook ... professional - interesting juxtaposition Mark. I'm also not a customer (would love to have a play as I've said before) - this info would make more sense (IMHO) announced and linked (internally) off the homepage rather than hidden unannounced in a txt file for the applicable release under Support - z/XDC - Maintenance. And no, I'm not going to give Facebook my details just to chase down company announcements. I agree. I'm not a z/XDC customer either, but if I was I would consider this to be a problem. I do not use Facebook and I have no intention to do so. Some things that have occurred with respect to the way they handle their user's private data is quite disturbing to me. Colesoft has a web site. IMO it makes more sense to put the product announcement there and include a link to it on the Facebook page. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Is this information also on your web site? Some of us have corporate policies against accessing social networking sites frmo our work computers. Jeff Holst -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
On Mon, 23 May 2011 07:46:41 +0100, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com wrote: I don't disagree, Mark, that this can be highly inconvenient. But it's high time that organisations got with the program(me) re modern communications technology. I guess THIS is one of the WORST audiences to peddle that line to. :-) On a brighter note we don't seem to have been all that slow to adopt Web 1.0. (But maybe I forget...) :-) Martin Martin Packer, Mainframe Performance Consultant, zChampion Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM To be honest, I totally support any corporation's desire to lock out facebook from the office. Personal / web email sites is another story, but there is little professional value in the way people use facebook today. By definition, it is primarily used for networking with friends, not professional contacts. You're posts are an exception. Using modern communications like Facebook is a good thing. My current employer recognizes that and has their own social media web site where employees can collaborate, create and join groups etc. Most other corporate landing sites have moved to this social web site also now. But you won't find people discussing what movie they saw over the weekend or what the are planning for dinner on it. Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
So far, I haven't seen that locked out either (yet!). But people aren't using it for up to the minute updates on their thoughts and activities like FB. The real reason it probably has not been locked out is that the management involved that decides the policies wants to be able to get to that site also in order to keep their resumes and business contacts up to date for their next job too! :-) Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ On Mon, 23 May 2011 13:19:16 +0100, Martin Packer martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com wrote: So they like the idea of you going and getting a different job, John. :-) Martin Packer, Mainframe Performance Consultant, zChampion Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Chase, John jch...@ussco.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 23/05/2011 13:12 Subject: Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC) Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden On Sun, 22 May 2011 16:53:50 -0400, David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com wrote: I have posted new maintenance for z/XDC. For details please visit our Facebook page. You can find it by going onto Facebook and searching for ColeSoft. Thank You, Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 I'm not a z/XDC user, but I didn't see the information on your web site. At least not in any obvious place. Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional use? I am seeing this more and more often. It's fine for social purposes but most companies lock out access to Facebook from their corporate networks from what I have seen. Indeed. AFAIK, we don't twitter, either. But we do have access to LinkedIn (as of yesterday, anyway). -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional use? I am seeing this more and more often. Our use of Facebook is experimental at this stage... We are trying it for several reasons. First, because I (and a LOT of other people) do use Facebook socially, so I (and a LOT of other people) are somewhat familiar with it. Second, it is a very convenient way for us to push information and for interested recipients to receive that information... * Recipients (customers, usually but anyone actually) can opt in or opt out of our posts by liking or unliking (awful terms!) our ColeSoft page. * So the recipient list is self-selecting. We don't have to maintain it. * In fact, we do not have (and there is no way we could have) a complete list of people who use z/XDC and are interested in its developments. Our Facebook page gives such unknown people an easy way to stay abreast of z/XDC developments if they choose to. * Recipients can react to our announcements or even create their own postings there, so the Facebook page can also serve us as a product forum. * Posting information on Facebook does not require web programming skills, so it widens the range of people here at ColeSoft that can be assigned to maintain the presence. Third, this kind of posting does not appear at our website because customers don't frequent colesoft.com anywhere near as much as they frequent social websites, especially Facebook. So only the most important information goes there. But we do have access to LinkedIn (as of yesterday, anyway). I prefer Facebook over LinkedIn simply because I don't use LinkedIn, don't know how to use LinkedIn and have no interest in learning LinkedIn. Why? Primarily because it seems to me to be just a redundancy to Facebook. And more people use Facebook than LinkedIn, so why bother? And no, I'm not going to give Facebook my details just to chase down company announcements. About the only real information you have to give Facebook is an eaddress. There is nothing else that they require you to give. I'm not a z/XDC user, but I didn't see the information on your web site. At least not in any obvious place. Customers know to look in our Support area for maintenance details. My Facebook post contains additional prose regarding the fixes. I'm not a z/XDC customer either, but if I was I would consider this to be a problem. I do not use Facebook and I have no intention to do so. Major announcements will still find a place at our website and a brief mention in IBM-MAIN and ASSEMBLER-LIST. By definition, it [Facebook] is primarily used for networking with friends, not professional contacts. You're posts are an exception. Ummm, I find that a very large number of both local and national businesses have growing Facebook presences. So I don't agree that my posts are an exception. After all, if half a billion people are on Facebook, then by definition(!), that's where your customers are... Personally, I use Facebook more to keep up with local (Nelson County) events than for following friends... Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
On Mon, 23 May 2011 10:03:09 -0400, David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com wrote: By definition, it [Facebook] is primarily used for networking with friends, not professional contacts. You're posts are an exception. Ummm, I find that a very large number of both local and national businesses have growing Facebook presences. So I don't agree that my posts are an exception. To use FB lingo, that was @ Martin. :-) And I agree, I started out by saying I was seeing this more and more. But I think the FB presence in the overwhelming majority of those cases are for marketing / advertising reasons, not technical support for product offerings. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
On 5/23/2011 8:03 AM, David Cole wrote: Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional use? I am seeing this more and more often. Our use of Facebook is experimental at this stage... We are trying it for several reasons. First, because I (and a LOT of other people) do use Facebook socially, so I (and a LOT of other people) are somewhat familiar with it. Second, it is a very convenient way for us to push information and for interested recipients to receive that information... * Recipients (customers, usually but anyone actually) can opt in or opt out of our posts by liking or unliking (awful terms!) our ColeSoft page. * So the recipient list is self-selecting. We don't have to maintain it. * In fact, we do not have (and there is no way we could have) a complete list of people who use z/XDC and are interested in its developments. Our Facebook page gives such unknown people an easy way to stay abreast of z/XDC developments if they choose to. * Recipients can react to our announcements or even create their own postings there, so the Facebook page can also serve us as a product forum. * Posting information on Facebook does not require web programming skills, so it widens the range of people here at ColeSoft that can be assigned to maintain the presence. Third, this kind of posting does not appear at our website because customers don't frequent colesoft.com anywhere near as much as they frequent social websites, especially Facebook. So only the most important information goes there. So this update is not among the most important information then? But we do have access to LinkedIn (as of yesterday, anyway). I prefer Facebook over LinkedIn simply because I don't use LinkedIn, don't know how to use LinkedIn and have no interest in learning LinkedIn. Why? Primarily because it seems to me to be just a redundancy to Facebook. And more people use Facebook than LinkedIn, so why bother? And no, I'm not going to give Facebook my details just to chase down company announcements. About the only real information you have to give Facebook is an eaddress. There is nothing else that they require you to give. I'm not a z/XDC user, but I didn't see the information on your web site. At least not in any obvious place. Customers know to look in our Support area for maintenance details. My Facebook post contains additional prose regarding the fixes. I'm not a z/XDC customer either, but if I was I would consider this to be a problem. I do not use Facebook and I have no intention to do so. Major announcements will still find a place at our website and a brief mention in IBM-MAIN and ASSEMBLER-LIST. Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow Road VOICE: 540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920 FAX: 540-456-6658 -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our new tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
After all, if half a billion people are on Facebook, then by definition(!), that's where your customers are... What good is it if customer management block the site? - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 10:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC) Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional use? I am seeing this more and more often. Our use of Facebook is experimental at this stage... We are trying it for several reasons. First, because I (and a LOT of other people) do use Facebook socially, so I (and a LOT of other people) are somewhat familiar with it. People, not companies. And you are forgetting about lawyers and lawsuits (more detail on that below). Second, it is a very convenient way for us to push information and for interested recipients to receive that information... Snipped Third, this kind of posting does not appear at our website because customers don't frequent colesoft.com anywhere near as much as they frequent social websites, especially Facebook. So only the most important information goes there. Direct email to your customers would be the most straightforward way to accomplish such notice. A newsletter would be appropriate too. I suspect that any or all of your employees already have the necessary skills for that kind of communication. You can even automate mass email on z/OS. I understand the need to lessen the burden of communications issues for your employees, but I suspect that FB is not the answer for most of your large corporate customers. Snipped By definition, it [Facebook] is primarily used for networking with friends, not professional contacts. You're posts are an exception. Ummm, I find that a very large number of both local and national businesses have growing Facebook presences. So I don't agree that my posts are an exception. After all, if half a billion people are on Facebook, then by definition(!), that's where your customers are... Companies most likely do this for their own marketing purposes, not for employee communication purposes. In such cases it is also very likely that the sales and legal teams are the only ones with internal access from the company network, not the programmers who use your product. There are also the tort fears of many companies. In these litigious days, no sane corporate lawyer will advise a company to allow their employees unfettered access to social sites because accidental (never mind intentional) release of material non-public information is usually worth a large chunk of cash to the government and lots of other lawyers. Those fears may or may not be valid, but they exist and result in restrictive web access policies that should be acknowledged and dealt with. Peter -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 10:03:09 -0400 From: dbc...@colesoft.com Subject: Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC) To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu snippage I prefer Facebook over LinkedIn simply because I don't use LinkedIn, don't know how to use LinkedIn and have no interest in learning LinkedIn. Why? Primarily because it seems to me to be just a redundancy to Facebook. And more people use Facebook than LinkedIn, so why bother? Hmm, interesting twist. I prefer LinkedIn over Facebook simply because I don't use Facebook, don't know how to use Facebook and have no interest in learning Facebook. Why? Primarily because it seems to me to be just a redundancy to LinkedIn. And more professionals use LinkedIn than Facebook, so why bother? LinkedIn is more focussed on professional matters. You could set up an XDC group where you and your users could post things of mutual interest that would be pushed to those who want it. If I ever need to know who's having a bad hair day, I'll join Facebook. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
---snip-- I'm not a z/XDC user, but I didn't see the information on your web site. At least not in any obvious place. Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional use? I am seeing this more and more often. It's fine for social purposes but most companies lock out access to Facebook from their corporate networks from what I have seen. --unsnip--- I'd also be concerned about too many wanna be's cluttering a professional's mailbox with inappropriate and/or senseless replies to legitimate technical questions. Leave the socialites on the social lists and let the pros from Dover have their list in peace. :-) Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
At 5/23/2011 03:44 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote: I'd also be concerned about too many wanna be's cluttering a professional's mailbox with inappropriate and/or senseless replies to legitimate technical questions. (a) Could happen. (b) Might not. Personally, I doubt it will be a problem. But if I choose a, I certainly will learn less than if I choose b. I'll choose b. Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
_http://www.dilbert.com/2011-05-22/_ (http://www.dilbert.com/2011-05-22/) In a message dated 5/23/2011 4:47:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dbc...@colesoft.com writes: But if I choose a, I certainly will learn less than if I choose b. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Thanks for the smile, Ed. vbg Dave At 5/23/2011 05:49 PM, Ed Finnell wrote: _http://www.dilbert.com/2011-05-22/_ (http://www.dilbert.com/2011-05-22/) In a message dated 5/23/2011 4:47:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dbc...@colesoft.com writes: But if I choose a, I certainly will learn less than if I choose b. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
FWIW, I just checked and the number of opt-ins (likes in Facebook parlance) is up a bit over 20% since my post. So there's some opinion out there that's not been expressed in this thread. Just saying... But the total is still a substantial minority of our customer base, so all you Eff-book phobes out there don't have to worry ... yet. [;)] Dave -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
On 5/23/2011 18:13, David Cole wrote: FWIW, I just checked and the number of opt-ins (likes in Facebook parlance) is up a bit over 20% since my post. So there's some opinion out there that's not been expressed in this thread. Just saying... But the total is still a substantial minority of our customer base, so all you Eff-book phobes out there don't have to worry ... yet. [;)] Dave -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Cole, The 'Rants and Raves' of the list really do show a unique, though somewhat 'mainframe' view. Glad to see you are still hard at it! Let the Good Karma flow and just sit back and enjoy! Doug -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
It's not necessarily phobic. Don't you get it? It's the fact that most of your customers' management have policies in place to block. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 18:13:19 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC) FWIW, I just checked and the number of opt-ins (likes in Facebook parlance) is up a bit over 20% since my post. So there's some opinion out there that's not been expressed in this thread. Just saying... But the total is still a substantial minority of our customer base, so all you Eff-book phobes out there don't have to worry ... yet. [;)] Dave -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Recent maintenance for z/XDC
I have posted new maintenance for z/XDC. For details please visit our Facebook page. You can find it by going onto Facebook and searching for ColeSoft. Thank You, Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
On Sun, 22 May 2011 16:53:50 -0400, David Cole dbc...@colesoft.com wrote: I have posted new maintenance for z/XDC. For details please visit our Facebook page. You can find it by going onto Facebook and searching for ColeSoft. Thank You, Dave Cole REPLY TO: dbc...@colesoft.com ColeSoft Marketing WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 I'm not a z/XDC user, but I didn't see the information on your web site. At least not in any obvious place. Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional use? I am seeing this more and more often. It's fine for social purposes but most companies lock out access to Facebook from their corporate networks from what I have seen. Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Facebook for professional usage (was Re: Recent maintenance for z/XDC)
Facebook ... professional - interesting juxtaposition Mark. I'm also not a customer (would love to have a play as I've said before) - this info would make more sense (IMHO) announced and linked (internally) off the homepage rather than hidden unannounced in a txt file for the applicable release under Support - z/XDC - Maintenance. And no, I'm not going to give Facebook my details just to chase down company announcements. Shane ... On Sun, 22 May 2011 16:42:29 -0500 Mark Zelden wrote: I'm not a z/XDC user, but I didn't see the information on your web site. At least not in any obvious place. Why are vendors and organizations using Facebook for professional use? I am seeing this more and more often. It's fine for social purposes but most companies lock out access to Facebook from their corporate networks from what I have seen. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
