Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
In a message dated 8/4/2005 10:24:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: that appendix is not about replacing the "guts" of a 9840, it is about replacing an entire 9840 with an IBM 3590 which is designed to fit into the STK tape library. >> Sorry for the confusion. Branch recommended it to us as a way utilize the IGLOOs and maintain 3590 offsite requirements. Some of the large shops up the road were using them and quite happy. It was part of our 1997 Y2K proposal. Due to funding and FE support it was pulled from the plan. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
But it will only fit into a stk library with a c12 drive cabinet you cannot use the stk supplied 9840 rack. Bruce -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Black Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode that appendix is not about replacing the "guts" of a 9840, it is about replacing an entire 9840 with an IBM 3590 which is designed to fit into the STK tape library. -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
that appendix is not about replacing the "guts" of a 9840, it is about replacing an entire 9840 with an IBM 3590 which is designed to fit into the STK tape library. -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
In a message dated 8/3/2005 6:09:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would you please qoute the text in the above book that supports your claim: >> That's it. Appendix K Using 3590 in STK. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:34:30 EDT, Ed Finnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >_http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/SG242594.html_ >(http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/SG242594.html) > >Appendix K. Would you please qoute the text in the above book that supports your claim: On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:42:07 EDT, Ed Finnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Yup, but you can order 3590 guts for a 9840. I have not read the entire chapter (I scanned it and found nothing to support your claim). I know how these things work, and I have never heard of someone replacing the "guts" of a 9840 with those of a 3590. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
In a message dated 8/2/2005 3:42:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No you cannot. You can install 3590 drives in STK robot library >> _http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/SG242594.html_ (http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/SG242594.html) Appendix K. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
Ed Finnell wrote: In a message dated 8/1/2005 9:30:08 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So the drives are software compatible, but the carts are totally incompatible and cannot be mounted in the other vendors drives. Yup, but you can order 3590 guts for a 9840. No you cannot. You can install 3590 drives in STK robot library. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
OSU is in fact moving in that direction, we will be installing 3590-h drives into our STK 9311 using c12 drive frames, we are also installing jaquar drives using c20 drive frames. Bruce - Original Message - From: Bruce Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, August 1, 2005 12:01 pm Subject: Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode > > > > > >Yes, you can re-configure the drive but you will Void any STK > Warranty or service contract you have on the re-configured equipment. > > > I'm confused. To reconfigure a T9840 to handle 3590 carts would > require > a whole new internal drive mechanism. Since this can apparently > be > obtained only from STK (assuming that they really offer it), then > STK > should warrant it. > > I guess it is concievable that some third party is offering to > modify a > T9840 to handle 3590 carts, but why would you want to do so? Why > not > just buy 3590 drives? > > IBM used to offer a 3590 drive that would work in STK's tape > libraries. > Are you perhaps thinking of that? > > -- > Bruce A. Black > Senior Software Developer for FDR > Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 > personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com > > --- > --- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
Yes, you can re-configure the drive but you will Void any STK Warranty or service contract you have on the re-configured equipment. I'm confused. To reconfigure a T9840 to handle 3590 carts would require a whole new internal drive mechanism. Since this can apparently be obtained only from STK (assuming that they really offer it), then STK should warrant it. I guess it is concievable that some third party is offering to modify a T9840 to handle 3590 carts, but why would you want to do so? Why not just buy 3590 drives? IBM used to offer a 3590 drive that would work in STK's tape libraries. Are you perhaps thinking of that? -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
In a message dated 8/1/2005 10:03:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, you can re-configure the drive but you will Void any STK Warranty or service contract you have on the re-configured equipment. >> Yeah, pretty much etched in laminar once you pick a config. Like I said to Bruce we actually considered it, but were afraid of mixed vendor support. For a D/R seemed like a way to satisfy STK and 3590 exchange requirements. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
In a message dated 8/1/2005 10:09:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: have never heard that and I can't find any evidence of that on the STK web site. It would sound like a good move for STK to offer a 3590-compatible drive. >> Back when there was a working CONFIGurator on IBMLink it was an option. We actually looked at, but were a little shaky with service arrangements. IBM said they would cover the config, but we were leery of response times and parts. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
Yup, but you can order 3590 guts for a 9840. I have never heard that and I can't find any evidence of that on the STK web site. It would sound like a good move for STK to offer a 3590-compatible drive. BTW, the STK T9940 tape drive uses a single hub design similar to the 3590, but again the STK web site says that the tapes are not compatible with 3590. -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
Yes, you can re-configure the drive but you will Void any STK Warranty or service contract you have on the re-configured equipment. - Original Message - From: Ed Finnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, August 1, 2005 10:42 am Subject: Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode > > In a message dated 8/1/2005 9:30:08 A.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > So the drives are software compatible, but the carts are totally > incompatible and cannot be mounted in the other vendors drives. > > > > >> > Yup, but you can order 3590 guts for a 9840. > > --- > --- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
In a message dated 8/1/2005 9:30:08 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So the drives are software compatible, but the carts are totally incompatible and cannot be mounted in the other vendors drives. >> Yup, but you can order 3590 guts for a 9840. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
Guy's i have both 9840 & 3590 tape and i can tell you with absolute certinty that you can not put 9840 tape into 3590 drives and read them it is physicaly impossiable. but the hardware def for a 9840 is defined as a 3590. Absolutely true. The IBM 3590 carts use the same essential mechanism as their 3480 and 3490 ancestors. There is a single reel in the cart, with a leader sticking out which the drive grabs and wraps around a takeup reel in the drive. The STK carts use 2 internal reels with no external leader, much like an audio cartridge. There is no internal reel in the drive. So the drives are software compatible, but the carts are totally incompatible and cannot be mounted in the other vendors drives. -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
Guy's i have both 9840 & 3590 tape and i can tell you with absolute certinty that you can not put 9840 tape into 3590 drives and read them it is physicaly impossiable. but the hardware def for a 9840 is defined as a 3590. Bruce - Original Message - From: "R.S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, July 29, 2005 5:01 pm Subject: Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode > Taddei, Cathy wrote: > > > I believe the question being asked was can they stick a 9840 > tape into a > > 3590 drive and read it, and the answer is YES. At least is was > several> years ago... > > IMHO it never was true. Do you mean 3590 or rather 3490 tapes ? > > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > --- > --- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
Taddei, Cathy wrote: No, I meant 9840 tapes. This was the experience of the sysprog's that went to the hot site (I was not there) in 2003, and they say the drives were 3590's. Perhaps it was a group hallucination...does anyone have definitive information? AFAIR 9840 has two axes inside. All IBM carts have one. How it could be read in IBM drive ? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
No, I meant 9840 tapes. This was the experience of the sysprog's that went to the hot site (I was not there) in 2003, and they say the drives were 3590's. Perhaps it was a group hallucination...does anyone have definitive information? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 2:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode Taddei, Cathy wrote: > I believe the question being asked was can they stick a 9840 tape into a > 3590 drive and read it, and the answer is YES. At least is was several > years ago... IMHO it never was true. Do you mean 3590 or rather 3490 tapes ? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- This email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else, unless expressly approved by the sender or an authorized addressee, is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action omitted or taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you believe that you have received this email in error, please contact the sender, delete this e-mail and destroy all copies. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
Taddei, Cathy wrote: I believe the question being asked was can they stick a 9840 tape into a 3590 drive and read it, and the answer is YES. At least is was several years ago... IMHO it never was true. Do you mean 3590 or rather 3490 tapes ? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
I believe the question being asked was can they stick a 9840 tape into a 3590 drive and read it, and the answer is YES. At least is was several years ago...we use the STK drives in 3590 compat mode, and for a disaster/recovery exercise took them to a facility that only had 3590 drives, and we were able to read them (nowadays our hot site has the STK drives). However -- Andy, you said you would send your 3590 tape to a shop with STK drives -- just how would they read your tape? Russell is correct in that an STK drive cannot read a 3590 tape. Regards, Cathy -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russell Witt Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 1:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode The answer is NO. While STK drives do emulate 3590 to the operating system, STK does not have any drives that can actually read or write to a real 3590 cartridge. The last cartridge that was "interchangable" between STK and IBM was the good old 3480/3490 cartridge. Another reason why I believe it will stay around for a long time as a truly portable media. Russell Witt CA-1 Level-2 Support Manager -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andy White Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode Does anyone know this We have IBM 3590 H drives, if we send the media to a shop running with STK 9840 tape drives in 3590 Compat mode can they cut a tape. Then send the tape to us and we insert it into a IBM native 3590 will it be able to read it? I'm being told yes and no ;) Anyone have a definitive answer. -- This email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else, unless expressly approved by the sender or an authorized addressee, is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action omitted or taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you believe that you have received this email in error, please contact the sender, delete this e-mail and destroy all copies. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
On Fri, 2005-07-29 at 15:25 -0500, Russell Witt wrote: > the good old 3480/3490 cartridge. Another reason why I believe it will > stay around for a long time as a truly portable media. We use 3480 cartridges for archival purposes -- you know, those payroll year-end tapes you have to keep for ten years. At a hundred bucks a pop, I hate the idea of writing a relatively small master file to a modern cartridge that might ordinarily hold 80GB, and then stick it in a vault forever. 3480 carts are cheap. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
The answer is NO. While STK drives do emulate 3590 to the operating system, STK does not have any drives that can actually read or write to a real 3590 cartridge. The last cartridge that was "interchangable" between STK and IBM was the good old 3480/3490 cartridge. Another reason why I believe it will stay around for a long time as a truly portable media. Russell Witt CA-1 Level-2 Support Manager -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andy White Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode Does anyone know this We have IBM 3590 H drives, if we send the media to a shop running with STK 9840 tape drives in 3590 Compat mode can they cut a tape. Then send the tape to us and we insert it into a IBM native 3590 will it be able to read it? I'm being told yes and no ;) Anyone have a definitive answer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
I think you asking if 3590 carts can be read in STK 9840 drives, and vice versa. Sorry, no. Although the carts have the same form factor, so they can be used in each other's tape libraries, the cartridges are incompatible. STK 3590 compatibility means that it looks like a 3590 to the host, but doesn't mean drive compatibility. -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
STK 9840 in 3590 compat mode
Does anyone know this We have IBM 3590 H drives, if we send the media to a shop running with STK 9840 tape drives in 3590 Compat mode can they cut a tape. Then send the tape to us and we insert it into a IBM native 3590 will it be able to read it? I'm being told yes and no ;) Anyone have a definitive answer. Thanks Andy Internet: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information contained in this message may be CONFIDENTIAL and is for the intended addressee only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of the information, or copying of this message is prohibited. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
