Re: Simple iinventory control products?
out of all the software mentioned, I did not see anyone noting ISC software. They do have excellent inventory software, If you were to evaluate I highly recommend looking in to e-Gen suite. I have no affiliation with them, except as a user of the software. http://www.iscsoftware.com/Welcome.aspx -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Ed, That's who I was talking about, too - people who support and work with their products. Regards, Greg -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:23 AM Greg: I should have been more specific but I was taking about people who had to support and work with their products. I remember specifically at SHARE several conversations, McKinney came up and the best they got was yea somebody bought it and didnt go through the software selection commee and they got grandfathered in otherwise we wouldn't even consider them. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Really? Never heard anything positive? Ever read any of the messages that come from this list? I've searched the archives and found only messages regarding MacKinney that are either positive or neutral. The only negative comments I can find are from you. I won't argue whether the circumstances you describe actually happened or not, but if the experiences of others who post to this list have any value to you (I'm sure mine don't but others might), you could consider that it was an anomaly. ((If anyone from MacKinney is following this thread and your company actually has a fund for paid lackies please contact me off-list!)) Regards, Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:55 PM Greg: I am surprised a little bit by your attitude and am disappointed in your suggestion. I wasn't going to mention it but since you seemed to infer I wasn't professional I will add: Another person in the group I was in had a similar issue with them. The person was happy he didn't have to call as he had gotten a blank wall from McKinney as well. I don't recall the product and I am not about to insult you with suggestion about being a paid lacky for Mckinney. I have never heard anything positive about them. In the last say 20 years I guess the negatives outweigh anything. I never thought highly of the company as their postage card return to order their product was a little bit less than professional in my opinion. Yes they are a cheap software company and I will repeat you get what you pay for. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Greg: I should have been more specific but I was taking about people who had to support and work with their products. I remember specifically at SHARE several conversations, McKinney came up and the best they got was yea somebody bought it and didnt go through the software selection commee and they got grandfathered in otherwise we wouldn't even consider them. Ed On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Greg Shirey wrote: Really? Never heard anything positive? Ever read any of the messages that come from this list? I've searched the archives and found only messages regarding MacKinney that are either positive or neutral. The only negative comments I can find are from you. I won't argue whether the circumstances you describe actually happened or not, but if the experiences of others who post to this list have any value to you (I'm sure mine don't but others might), you could consider that it was an anomaly. ((If anyone from MacKinney is following this thread and your company actually has a fund for paid lackies please contact me off-list!)) Regards, Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:55 PM Greg: I am surprised a little bit by your attitude and am disappointed in your suggestion. I wasn't going to mention it but since you seemed to infer I wasn't professional I will add: Another person in the group I was in had a similar issue with them. The person was happy he didn't have to call as he had gotten a blank wall from McKinney as well. I don't recall the product and I am not about to insult you with suggestion about being a paid lacky for Mckinney. I have never heard anything positive about them. In the last say 20 years I guess the negatives outweigh anything. I never thought highly of the company as their postage card return to order their product was a little bit less than professional in my opinion. Yes they are a cheap software company and I will repeat you get what you pay for. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Greetings All, We had CICS for 12-15 years, and along with it several MacKinney products - Hot Print, Morning News and KwikKey. We don't have CICS anymore, and our MacKinney products are gone now too. The products worked well, and we did not have any support problems with MacKinney. HTH, Linda -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Greg: I am surprised a little bit by your attitude and am disappointed in your suggestion. I wasn't going to mention it but since you seemed to infer I wasn't professional I will add: Another person in the group I was in had a similar issue with them. The person was happy he didn't have to call as he had gotten a blank wall from McKinney as well. I don't recall the product and I am not about to insult you with suggestion about being a paid lacky for Mckinney. I have never heard anything positive about them. In the last say 20 years I guess the negatives outweigh anything. I never thought highly of the company as their postage card return to order their product was a little bit less than professional in my opinion. Yes they are a cheap software company and I will repeat you get what you pay for. Ed On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Greg Shirey wrote: After a few minutes of what on the phone? Calling them morons? Questioning their ancestry? MacKinney support gets you speaking to a developer far faster most other vendors I've contacted. Those developers may come across as somewhat defensive of their products (most everyone tends to believe they have debugged their code thoroughly) but I've had many occasions to call for support and have never been advised to debug it yourself. I think we have 5 MacKinney products in house, including LISTCAT PLUS - which has never abended 0C4 here... FWIW. Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:35 AM One day I got a call from the production people about an OC4 (in LISTCAT) . I looked at it a little and since it was a vendor program I called up their support line. AFter a few minutes on the phone I got a not to nice of a response: DEBUG it yourself -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I'll have to speak up. We have a number of MacKinney products. We only had one problem with one of them, about 15 years ago. I worked on that with them and we fixed it together. It was a race condition in a CICS product. I won't try to say that the products are the top of the line. But they work __for us__. And we can afford them. We've had to terminate a number of products in the past 3 years due to the high, to us, cost. Of course, we are a small shop (and shrinking), and so not a prime customer of companies like IBM, CA, or LRS. We've also eliminated products on the other platforms as well. I will say that IT management wants to eliminate z/OS entirely (along with Linux, AIX, and Oracle/Sun). They want a MS mono-culture because they are 100% convinced that is the most cost effective for our size shop. I don't have access to the budget numbers, so I can't tell. Higher level management cares only about cost (and Windows up-time is good enough. Going for months without an IPL (reboot) means nothing to them. The occasional Windows server crash is consider just how things are.) Actually, Windows itself rarely crashes. It's usually the main server application. On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 22:54 -0600, Ed Gould wrote: Greg: I am surprised a little bit by your attitude and am disappointed in your suggestion. I wasn't going to mention it but since you seemed to infer I wasn't professional I will add: Another person in the group I was in had a similar issue with them. The person was happy he didn't have to call as he had gotten a blank wall from McKinney as well. I don't recall the product and I am not about to insult you with suggestion about being a paid lacky for Mckinney. I have never heard anything positive about them. In the last say 20 years I guess the negatives outweigh anything. I never thought highly of the company as their postage card return to order their product was a little bit less than professional in my opinion. Yes they are a cheap software company and I will repeat you get what you pay for. Ed On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Greg Shirey wrote: After a few minutes of what on the phone? Calling them morons? Questioning their ancestry? MacKinney support gets you speaking to a developer far faster most other vendors I've contacted. Those developers may come across as somewhat defensive of their products (most everyone tends to believe they have debugged their code thoroughly) but I've had many occasions to call for support and have never been advised to debug it yourself. I think we have 5 MacKinney products in house, including LISTCAT PLUS - which has never abended 0C4 here... FWIW. Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:35 AM One day I got a call from the production people about an OC4 (in LISTCAT) . I looked at it a little and since it was a vendor program I called up their support line. AFter a few minutes on the phone I got a not to nice of a response: DEBUG it yourself -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- John McKown Maranatha! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Mackinney have something called OSXREFS. *OSXREFS consists of 4 utility programs* *OSXDSN*, *OSXLINKS*, *OSXSCAN* and *OSXPROC* provide the following functions: - Cross-reference datasets and PROCEDURES in a specified JCLLIB/PROCLIB - Cross-reference Programs and PROCEDURES that execute them - Cross-references strings found in PDS members - Cross-reference JCL Procedures and executed Programs I haven't used it myself, but I expect that as with all Mackinney products, the price will be right and support will be good. Jim McAlpine On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com wrote: Hi All, I am being asked if there are relatively simple source-and-JCL inventory control products available for z/OS. I found one myself (XREF product at dcmsi.com), but management wants to know if any other software vendors provide such a product. We're not interested at the moment in full life cycle management products like Endeavor or ChangeMan. We just need a simple inventory control product that could answer interactive queries (E.G., What JCL uses this file? Where is this program used?) by programmers and technical support staff. TIA for any product or company names or links you can provide. Peter -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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they also have something called COBOL Glossary if you want to interrogate COBOL source. Jim McAlpine On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Jim McAlpine jim.mcalp...@gmail.comwrote: Mackinney have something called OSXREFS. *OSXREFS consists of 4 utility programs* *OSXDSN*, *OSXLINKS*, *OSXSCAN* and *OSXPROC* provide the following functions: - Cross-reference datasets and PROCEDURES in a specified JCLLIB/PROCLIB - Cross-reference Programs and PROCEDURES that execute them - Cross-references strings found in PDS members - Cross-reference JCL Procedures and executed Programs I haven't used it myself, but I expect that as with all Mackinney products, the price will be right and support will be good. Jim McAlpine On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com wrote: Hi All, I am being asked if there are relatively simple source-and-JCL inventory control products available for z/OS. I found one myself (XREF product at dcmsi.com), but management wants to know if any other software vendors provide such a product. We're not interested at the moment in full life cycle management products like Endeavor or ChangeMan. We just need a simple inventory control product that could answer interactive queries (E.G., What JCL uses this file? Where is this program used?) by programmers and technical support staff. TIA for any product or company names or links you can provide. Peter -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Thanks Jim, that one was pointed out to me in an offline email. It's in the mix for analysis. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Jim McAlpine Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 5:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Simple iinventory control products? Mackinney have something called OSXREFS. *OSXREFS consists of 4 utility programs* *OSXDSN*, *OSXLINKS*, *OSXSCAN* and *OSXPROC* provide the following functions: - Cross-reference datasets and PROCEDURES in a specified JCLLIB/PROCLIB - Cross-reference Programs and PROCEDURES that execute them - Cross-references strings found in PDS members - Cross-reference JCL Procedures and executed Programs I haven't used it myself, but I expect that as with all Mackinney products, the price will be right and support will be good. Jim McAlpine On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com wrote: Hi All, I am being asked if there are relatively simple source-and-JCL inventory control products available for z/OS. I found one myself (XREF product at dcmsi.com), but management wants to know if any other software vendors provide such a product. We're not interested at the moment in full life cycle management products like Endeavor or ChangeMan. We just need a simple inventory control product that could answer interactive queries (E.G., What JCL uses this file? Where is this program used?) by programmers and technical support staff. TIA for any product or company names or links you can provide. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Thanks for that one as well. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Jim McAlpine Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 5:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Simple iinventory control products? they also have something called COBOL Glossary if you want to interrogate COBOL source. Jim McAlpine On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Jim McAlpine jim.mcalp...@gmail.comwrote: Mackinney have something called OSXREFS. *OSXREFS consists of 4 utility programs* *OSXDSN*, *OSXLINKS*, *OSXSCAN* and *OSXPROC* provide the following functions: - Cross-reference datasets and PROCEDURES in a specified JCLLIB/PROCLIB - Cross-reference Programs and PROCEDURES that execute them - Cross-references strings found in PDS members - Cross-reference JCL Procedures and executed Programs I haven't used it myself, but I expect that as with all Mackinney products, the price will be right and support will be good. Jim McAlpine On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com wrote: Hi All, I am being asked if there are relatively simple source-and-JCL inventory control products available for z/OS. I found one myself (XREF product at dcmsi.com), but management wants to know if any other software vendors provide such a product. We're not interested at the moment in full life cycle management products like Endeavor or ChangeMan. We just need a simple inventory control product that could answer interactive queries (E.G., What JCL uses this file? Where is this program used?) by programmers and technical support staff. TIA for any product or company names or links you can provide. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Peter: I have had the opportunity in the past to support at least one of the McKinney products (LISTCAT ??). Essentially all it did was to take the outout (sysprint) from IDCAMS and produce a much smaller report. It was a COBOL program. One day I got a call from the production people about an OC4 (in LISTCAT) . I looked at it a little and since it was a vendor program I called up their support line. AFter a few minutes on the phone I got a not to nice of a response: DEBUG it yourself Now I know the product cost very little but I expected a little more than that. I was not going to spend a half hour trying to debug their code. I decided to write a REXX exec to do the same thing. It took me all of 20 minutes to write it and 30 minutes to test it. Since it was a who cares output and to make the production people happy I ran it and gave them the output and I ran it passed the programmer. He they were happy and we put it in production and its been working for over 20 years (no bugs). I asked why we bought it and could never trace it back to the orderer. The next OS release I deleted it and made sure that we never paid them a penny for the product). I went out of my way to steer the company away from any Mckinney products after that. I think over the 20 years it was mentioned once. Yes they are cheap but then you get what you pay for source and thats it. I have gotten better support out of the CBTTAPE . Sorry I would suggest you think long and hard about any of their stuff (I refuse to call them programs as one has to have support to be called a product in my opinion). Ed On Feb 9, 2012, at 8:01 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: Thanks Jim, that one was pointed out to me in an offline email. It's in the mix for analysis. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Jim McAlpine Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 5:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Simple iinventory control products? Mackinney have something called OSXREFS. *OSXREFS consists of 4 utility programs* *OSXDSN*, *OSXLINKS*, *OSXSCAN* and *OSXPROC* provide the following functions: - Cross-reference datasets and PROCEDURES in a specified JCLLIB/ PROCLIB - Cross-reference Programs and PROCEDURES that execute them - Cross-references strings found in PDS members - Cross-reference JCL Procedures and executed Programs I haven't used it myself, but I expect that as with all Mackinney products, the price will be right and support will be good. Jim McAlpine On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com wrote: Hi All, I am being asked if there are relatively simple source-and-JCL inventory control products available for z/OS. I found one myself (XREF product at dcmsi.com), but management wants to know if any other software vendors provide such a product. We're not interested at the moment in full life cycle management products like Endeavor or ChangeMan. We just need a simple inventory control product that could answer interactive queries (E.G., What JCL uses this file? Where is this program used?) by programmers and technical support staff. TIA for any product or company names or links you can provide. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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One day I got a call from the production people about an OC4 (in LISTCAT) . I looked at it a little and since it was a vendor program I called up their support line. AFter a few minutes on the phone I got a not to nice of a response: DEBUG it yourself Now I know the product cost very little but I expected a little more than that. Sorry I would suggest you think long and hard about any of their stuff (I refuse to call them programs as one has to have support to be called a product in my opinion). Ed et al, My own experience with MacKinney was significantly different. Two years ago, we were looking at migrating our CICS apps to Micro Focus COBOL. But we are very dependent on a MacKinney product called EZHELP. For many months we worked with MacKinney to port the EZHELP source code from ASM to Micro Focus COBOL! A colleague here at DHS did most of the work with a little help from myself. Throughout this process we received excellent support from Wendell at MacKinney. It was painful, but in the end we succeeded in completing the port. Unfortunately, the migration of the rest of our apps failed since Micro Focus could not handle other aspects of our application. So I only have positive things to report about this company. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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After a few minutes of what on the phone? Calling them morons? Questioning their ancestry? MacKinney support gets you speaking to a developer far faster most other vendors I've contacted. Those developers may come across as somewhat defensive of their products (most everyone tends to believe they have debugged their code thoroughly) but I've had many occasions to call for support and have never been advised to debug it yourself. I think we have 5 MacKinney products in house, including LISTCAT PLUS - which has never abended 0C4 here... FWIW. Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:35 AM One day I got a call from the production people about an OC4 (in LISTCAT) . I looked at it a little and since it was a vendor program I called up their support line. AFter a few minutes on the phone I got a not to nice of a response: DEBUG it yourself -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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As I said earlier I have no experience of OSXREFS or LISTCAT for that matter but we do have 2 Mackinney products installed, VTAM Switch and TRACK. We have used them now for many years and whenever we have needed it (which has not been very often) the support has been excellent. Their support teams have also always been very responsive when asked to implement additional funtionality, much more so than most other software companies I have dealt with in the past. Jim McAlpine On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Greg Shirey wgshi...@benekeith.com wrote: After a few minutes of what on the phone? Calling them morons? Questioning their ancestry? MacKinney support gets you speaking to a developer far faster most other vendors I've contacted. Those developers may come across as somewhat defensive of their products (most everyone tends to believe they have debugged their code thoroughly) but I've had many occasions to call for support and have never been advised to debug it yourself. I think we have 5 MacKinney products in house, including LISTCAT PLUS - which has never abended 0C4 here... FWIW. Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Gould Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:35 AM One day I got a call from the production people about an OC4 (in LISTCAT) . I looked at it a little and since it was a vendor program I called up their support line. AFter a few minutes on the phone I got a not to nice of a response: DEBUG it yourself -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Am 08.02.2012 06:00, schrieb IBM-MAIN automatic digest system: Re: Simple iinventory control products? We use XINFO from the German software manufacturer Horizont (based in Munich, they are focussed on mf datacenter software). Citation from their website: XINFO is the information system for batch production. It enables you to access and cross-reference all data from various IT systems like JCL, TWS, CA-7, CA-Scheduler, Control-M, ZEKE, SMF, RMM, CA-1, COBOL, PL/I and much more. 100 satisfied customers worldwide! It is very flexible and has a SQL interface. you may look at: http://www.horizont-it.com/ Note: I myself don't have any relationns with them, I just use their products. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Thanks Arthur, I will look into it. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Arthur Fichtl Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 5:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Simple iinventory control products Am 08.02.2012 06:00, schrieb IBM-MAIN automatic digest system: Re: Simple iinventory control products? We use XINFO from the German software manufacturer Horizont (based in Munich, they are focussed on mf datacenter software). Citation from their website: XINFO is the information system for batch production. It enables you to access and cross-reference all data from various IT systems like JCL, TWS, CA-7, CA-Scheduler, Control-M, ZEKE, SMF, RMM, CA-1, COBOL, PL/I and much more. 100 satisfied customers worldwide! It is very flexible and has a SQL interface. you may look at: http://www.horizont-it.com/ Note: I myself don't have any relationns with them, I just use their products. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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John, Peter My code has indeed been dusted off. What has taken time is going back to the manual and checking some details. I have some time this week, pray I'm able to finish this off and send it out within the week. Thanks -- Julian Levens Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Roberts, John J jrobe...@dhs.state.ia.us wrote: We just need a simple inventory control product that could answer interactive queries (E.G., What JCL uses this file? Where is this program used?) by programmers and technical support staff. I asked a related question last November (see the thread entitled Scanning JES3 JCL). I am wanting to scan JCL files to build a database of XREF information. The last I heard back in December was that Julian Levens was going to dust off some code he had developed. _ For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Simple iinventory control products?
Hi All, I am being asked if there are relatively simple source-and-JCL inventory control products available for z/OS. I found one myself (XREF product at dcmsi.com), but management wants to know if any other software vendors provide such a product. We're not interested at the moment in full life cycle management products like Endeavor or ChangeMan. We just need a simple inventory control product that could answer interactive queries (E.G., What JCL uses this file? Where is this program used?) by programmers and technical support staff. TIA for any product or company names or links you can provide. Peter -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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We just need a simple inventory control product that could answer interactive queries (E.G., What JCL uses this file? Where is this program used?) by programmers and technical support staff. I asked a related question last November (see the thread entitled Scanning JES3 JCL). I am wanting to scan JCL files to build a database of XREF information. The last I heard back in December was that Julian Levens was going to dust off some code he had developed. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hi Peter, We use CA-PanValet. It offers check out, check in version control, backup process that includes version control, utilties that produce the what is called by what reports and the what is included in what reports. We use separate Pan libraries for source and for production control. HTH, Linda - Original Message - From: Peter x23353 Farley peter.far...@broadridge.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 9:23:02 AM Subject: Simple iinventory control products? Hi All, I am being asked if there are relatively simple source-and-JCL inventory control products available for z/OS. I found one myself (XREF product at dcmsi.com), but management wants to know if any other software vendors provide such a product. We're not interested at the moment in full life cycle management products like Endeavor or ChangeMan. We just need a simple inventory control product that could answer interactive queries (E.G., What JCL uses this file? Where is this program used?) by programmers and technical support staff. TIA for any product or company names or links you can provide. Peter -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Thanks Linda. Unfortunately that would involve loading all of our source and JCL, etc. libraries over to Panvalet libraries. Currently we're just looking for something to read what we have and inventory it separately, without any conversions. Unless the Panvalet product has been enhanced beyond what I once knew about it (which is entirely possible), it does not (or did not) provide interactive queries of the what is included in what type, only static batch reports. Thanks again for the suggestion though. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Mooney Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Simple iinventory control products? Hi Peter, We use CA-PanValet. It offers check out, check in version control, backup process that includes version control, utilties that produce the what is called by what reports and the what is included in what reports. We use separate Pan libraries for source and for production control. HTH, Linda - Original Message - From: Peter x23353 Farley peter.far...@broadridge.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 9:23:02 AM Subject: Simple iinventory control products? Hi All, I am being asked if there are relatively simple source-and-JCL inventory control products available for z/OS. I found one myself (XREF product at dcmsi.com), but management wants to know if any other software vendors provide such a product. We're not interested at the moment in full life cycle management products like Endeavor or ChangeMan. We just need a simple inventory control product that could answer interactive queries (E.G., What JCL uses this file? Where is this program used?) by programmers and technical support staff. TIA for any product or company names or links you can provide. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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JCLScan? http://www.asg.com/Products/View/ASG-JOB-SCAN-.aspx Info/X? http://www.asg.com/Products/View/ASG-INFO-X--Enterprise.aspx quote ASG-INFO/X Enterprise provides a centralized asset management solution for multiple LPAR data centers. (Data sources include JCL, DB2, IMS, and mainframe scheduling products, ASG-Zeke, TWS, ESP, and others.) CICS and CSECT information is also collected and stored in the ASG-INFO/X Repository (DB2 database). /quote -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets® 9151 Boulevard 26 . N. Richland Hills . TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone . john.mck...@healthmarkets.com . www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets® is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company®, Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Simple iinventory control products? Thanks Linda. Unfortunately that would involve loading all of our source and JCL, etc. libraries over to Panvalet libraries. Currently we're just looking for something to read what we have and inventory it separately, without any conversions. Unless the Panvalet product has been enhanced beyond what I once knew about it (which is entirely possible), it does not (or did not) provide interactive queries of the what is included in what type, only static batch reports. Thanks again for the suggestion though. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Mooney Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Simple iinventory control products? Hi Peter, We use CA-PanValet. It offers check out, check in version control, backup process that includes version control, utilties that produce the what is called by what reports and the what is included in what reports. We use separate Pan libraries for source and for production control. HTH, Linda - Original Message - From: Peter x23353 Farley peter.far...@broadridge.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 9:23:02 AM Subject: Simple iinventory control products? Hi All, I am being asked if there are relatively simple source-and-JCL inventory control products available for z/OS. I found one myself (XREF product at dcmsi.com), but management wants to know if any other software vendors provide such a product. We're not interested at the moment in full life cycle management products like Endeavor or ChangeMan. We just need a simple inventory control product that could answer interactive queries (E.G., What JCL uses this file? Where is this program used?) by programmers and technical support staff. TIA for any product or company names or links you can provide. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Regarding John's email below, JCLScan (actually, Job/Scan) is a JCL scanner that makes it possible to check for the most basic JCL errors. Info/X is a tool ASG acquired, as is Job/Scan, from another vendor (and from what I understand, is no longer supported by the original developer). It would be important to ensure that the capability to go anywhere from program source objects COMPLETELY through to batch scheduler nets is a feature you will eventually need. And, with that capability, you can then search from anywhere for anything that is used within your I.T. environment. Mitch -Original Message- From: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Mon, Feb 6, 2012 11:52 am Subject: Re: Simple iinventory control products? JCLScan? ttp://www.asg.com/Products/View/ASG-JOB-SCAN-.aspx Info/X? ttp://www.asg.com/Products/View/ASG-INFO-X--Enterprise.aspx quote SG-INFO/X Enterprise provides a centralized asset management solution for ultiple LPAR data centers. (Data sources include JCL, DB2, IMS, and mainframe cheduling products, ASG-Zeke, TWS, ESP, and others.) CICS and CSECT information s also collected and stored in the ASG-INFO/X Repository (DB2 database). /quote -- ohn McKown ystems Engineer IV T Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets® 9151 Boulevard 26 . N. Richland Hills . TX 76010 817) 255-3225 phone . ohn.mck...@healthmarkets.com . www.HealthMarkets.com onfidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or roprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact he sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ealthMarkets® is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the nsurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance ompany®, Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA ife and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Simple iinventory control products? Thanks Linda. Unfortunately that would involve loading all of our source and JCL, etc. libraries over to Panvalet libraries. Currently we're just looking for something to read what we have and inventory it separately, without any conversions. Unless the Panvalet product has been enhanced beyond what I once knew about it (which is entirely possible), it does not (or did not) provide interactive queries of the what is included in what type, only static batch reports. Thanks again for the suggestion though. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Mooney Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Simple iinventory control products? Hi Peter, We use CA-PanValet. It offers check out, check in version control, backup process that includes version control, utilties that produce the what is called by what reports and the what is included in what reports. We use separate Pan libraries for source and for production control. HTH, Linda - Original Message - From: Peter x23353 Farley peter.far...@broadridge.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 9:23:02 AM Subject: Simple iinventory control products? Hi All, I am being asked if there are relatively simple source-and-JCL inventory control products available for z/OS. I found one myself (XREF product at dcmsi.com), but management wants to know if any other software vendors provide such a product. We're not interested at the moment in full life cycle management products like Endeavor or ChangeMan. We just need a simple inventory control product that could answer interactive queries (E.G., What JCL uses this file? Where is this program used?) by programmers and technical support staff. TIA for any product or company names or links you can provide. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Thanks John. The first one not so much, but the second one looks interesting, though it also looks like a bit more than we were looking to accomplish. I appreciate the suggestions. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Simple iinventory control products? JCLScan? http://www.asg.com/Products/View/ASG-JOB-SCAN-.aspx Info/X? http://www.asg.com/Products/View/ASG-INFO-X--Enterprise.aspx quote ASG-INFO/X Enterprise provides a centralized asset management solution for multiple LPAR data centers. (Data sources include JCL, DB2, IMS, and mainframe scheduling products, ASG-Zeke, TWS, ESP, and others.) CICS and CSECT information is also collected and stored in the ASG-INFO/X Repository (DB2 database). /quote -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets® 9151 Boulevard 26 . N. Richland Hills . TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone . john.mck...@healthmarkets.com . www.HealthMarkets.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Simple iinventory control products? Thanks Linda. Unfortunately that would involve loading all of our source and JCL, etc. libraries over to Panvalet libraries. Currently we're just looking for something to read what we have and inventory it separately, without any conversions. Unless the Panvalet product has been enhanced beyond what I once knew about it (which is entirely possible), it does not (or did not) provide interactive queries of the what is included in what type, only static batch reports. Thanks again for the suggestion though. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Mooney Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Simple iinventory control products? Hi Peter, We use CA-PanValet. It offers check out, check in version control, backup process that includes version control, utilties that produce the what is called by what reports and the what is included in what reports. We use separate Pan libraries for source and for production control. HTH, Linda - Original Message - From: Peter x23353 Farley peter.far...@broadridge.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 9:23:02 AM Subject: Simple iinventory control products? Hi All, I am being asked if there are relatively simple source-and-JCL inventory control products available for z/OS. I found one myself (XREF product at dcmsi.com), but management wants to know if any other software vendors provide such a product. We're not interested at the moment in full life cycle management products like Endeavor or ChangeMan. We just need a simple inventory control product that could answer interactive queries (E.G., What JCL uses this file? Where is this program used?) by programmers and technical support staff. TIA for any product or company names or links you can provide. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I am being asked if there are relatively simple source-and-JCL inventory control products available for z/OS. I found one myself (XREF product at dcmsi.com), but management wants to know if any other software vendors provide such a product. We're not interested at the moment in full life cycle management products like Endeavor or ChangeMan. We just need a simple inventory control product that could answer interactive queries (E.G., What JCL uses this file? Where is this program used?) by programmers and technical support staff. TIA for any product or company names or links you can provide. Peter -- If it has not been offered, SEA (Software Engineers of America) has a suite of products including !JCLPLUS. They have a suite to do what you are looking for. Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Thanks Lizette, someone did already mention that to me. I will add it to the mix of products we look at. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Simple iinventory control products? I am being asked if there are relatively simple source-and-JCL inventory control products available for z/OS. I found one myself (XREF product at dcmsi.com), but management wants to know if any other software vendors provide such a product. We're not interested at the moment in full life cycle management products like Endeavor or ChangeMan. We just need a simple inventory control product that could answer interactive queries (E.G., What JCL uses this file? Where is this program used?) by programmers and technical support staff. TIA for any product or company names or links you can provide. Peter -- If it has not been offered, SEA (Software Engineers of America) has a suite of products including !JCLPLUS. They have a suite to do what you are looking for. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Rational Asset Analyzer for z/OS is quite excellent: http://www.ibm.com/software/rational/products/raa/systemz/ I think you were asking about more than just JCL inspection. RAA does that but also much more. There's a trial of RAA available so you can take it for a spin. Just click on the Trial link from the above Web page. If you're in a particular hurry, take a look at the step-by-step illustrated RAA trial guide here (watch the wrap): http://public.dhe.ibm.com/software/dw/rational/emz/Using_Rational_Asset_Analyzer_to_Inventory_and_Analyze_your_zOS_applications.pdf Somewhat relatedly (but just beyond your specific question) there are tools that can inspect and inventory your software products, release levels, etc. Tivoli Asset Discovery for z/OS is an excellent example: http://www.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/asset-discovery-zos/ Also somewhat relatedly if your major concern is application deployment -- and making sure all the pieces, parts, and configurations are correct and complete every time -- then you might consider a tool that's directly focused on deployment. As an example, for CICS that list would include CICS Configuration Manager, CICS Deployment Assistant, and/or CICS Explorer. The last one is available to all CICS Transaction Server customers at no additional charge. Do note that every z/OS customer receives the base IBM Software Configuration and Library Manager (SCLM) as part of z/OS at no additional charge. More information here: http://www.ibm.com/software/awdtools/sclmsuite/sclm/ There are some optional add-ons to base SCLM if desired. Hope that helps. Timothy Sipples Resident Enterprise Architect (Based in Singapore) E-Mail: timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
