Re: Software only VTS?
And let's not forget TMM that comes free with z/OS and your friendly neighbourhood Storage Administrator... Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russell Witt Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 2:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Software only VTS? As Timothy stated, there are may options. Some (CA-1/Copycat, TLMS/Copycat, Tivoli Tape Optimizer, TAPESAVER, FATSCOPY) will copy tapes files AFTER they have been created and stack them together. CA-Vtape is a true virtual-tape emulation that uses existing dasd as the cache and then stacks the copies on the backend high-capacity cartridges. So a lot really depends on what you are trying to eliminate. Any of these would allow you to consolidate and fully utilize the new higher-capacity drives. If you are also trying to eliminate the number of physical drives you use; then a true virtual-tape emulation will be needed. That would either by an IBM VTS, Sun/STK VSM, CA-Vtape, the EMC Copycross or a few others. Most require some specific hardward purchase, but EMC will work if you already have an EMC dasd device and CA-Vtape will work with any dasd devices. Russell Witt CA-1 Level-2 Support Manager -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Software only VTS?
Greg Grimm wrote: We are going to replace our tape hardware (Tape Library (ATL), VTS). In investigating how our other operating systems use tapes I found that they use IBM TSM to talk directly to the ATL - and get high tape utilization (i.e. stacking multiple files on tape). kind of like a software VTS. Is there a product that supports this function on z/OS? Apples and oranges. Similar, but different. TSM is an *application* using *real* tapes in efficient way. The closest comparison to TSM is DFSMSHSM or FDR/ABR. However that means you should write directly to your tape, no DD names pointing to tape datasets. While it's quite good idea, it could require changes in your processing. On the other hand, VTS, VSM and some other solutions do similar thing on hardware side, thus (almost) no changes are required on software side. There are also some products which 'fill the gap' - those product TRY to optimize media utilization with minimal changes to current job processing. IMHO it is better to change current processing than spend money on products which partially solve the problem. However the devil is in the details, YMMV, etc. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2007 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci opacony) wynosi 118.064.140 z. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchwa XVI WZ z dnia 21.05.2003 r., kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 118.760.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Software only VTS?
snip --- And let's not forget TMM that comes free with z/OS and your friendly neighbourhood Storage Administrator... Ron --- snip -- That's almost true Ron. Some product has to move the data to tape. You still have to pay for HSM. Other than that, I agree with you. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Software only VTS?
John, If a licence to enable DFSMShsm, ABR, or install similar software is required then I would have to agree with you. I've only ever seen one Production LPAR that was not running a migration product... but they were for it anyway. Ron --- snip -- That's almost true Ron. Some product has to move the data to tape. You still have to pay for HSM. Other than that, I agree with you. John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Software only VTS?
We are going to replace our tape hardware (Tape Library (ATL), VTS). In investigating how our other operating systems use tapes I found that they use IBM TSM to talk directly to the ATL - and get high tape utilization (i.e. stacking multiple files on tape). kind of like a software VTS. Is there a product that supports this function on z/OS? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Software only VTS?
Greg Grimm writes: We are going to replace our tape hardware (Tape Library (ATL), VTS). In investigating how our other operating systems use tapes I found that they use IBM TSM to talk directly to the ATL - and get high tape utilization (i.e. stacking multiple files on tape). kind of like a software VTS. Is there a product that supports this function on z/OS? If the goal is to get higher tape utilization, there are many ways to do that. Tape stacking is one good way, and there are many such products. One example is IBM Tivoli Tape Optimizer for z/OS: http://www-306.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/tape-optimizer-zos/ And there are many other products in this general category. Here are some that might be applicable: CA - BrightStor CA-Vtape CA - BrightStor CA-1 CopyCat UNICOM - CARTS/TS OpenTech - Tape/Copy Innovation Data Processing - FATSCOPY BetaSystems - Beta 55 Storage Optimization Manager SEA - ZELA Tape Stacking Cartagena Software - TelTape/390 There have been a lot of discussions in the IBM-MAIN archives about hardware VTSes and when they have value. That's probably worth some study. It could very well be that hardware VTS is the way to go. Also, I couldn't quite tell if you know about Tivoli Storage Manager for z/OS. Sounds like it, but just mentioning it. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Software only VTS?
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:43:29 -0500, Greg Grimm wrote: We are going to replace our tape hardware (Tape Library (ATL), VTS). In investigating how our other operating systems use tapes I found that they use IBM TSM to talk directly to the ATL - and get high tape utilization (i.e. stacking multiple files on tape). kind of like a software VTS. Is there a product that supports this function on z/OS? TSM is primarily a backup/archive utility. Under z/OS those functions are handled primarily by products like HSM or FDR/ABR. I'm not sure about HSM, but ABR does an excellent job of filling up tapes. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Software only VTS?
As Timothy stated, there are may options. Some (CA-1/Copycat, TLMS/Copycat, Tivoli Tape Optimizer, TAPESAVER, FATSCOPY) will copy tapes files AFTER they have been created and stack them together. CA-Vtape is a true virtual-tape emulation that uses existing dasd as the cache and then stacks the copies on the backend high-capacity cartridges. So a lot really depends on what you are trying to eliminate. Any of these would allow you to consolidate and fully utilize the new higher-capacity drives. If you are also trying to eliminate the number of physical drives you use; then a true virtual-tape emulation will be needed. That would either by an IBM VTS, Sun/STK VSM, CA-Vtape, the EMC Copycross or a few others. Most require some specific hardward purchase, but EMC will work if you already have an EMC dasd device and CA-Vtape will work with any dasd devices. Russell Witt CA-1 Level-2 Support Manager -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Greg Grimm Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 12:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Software only VTS? We are going to replace our tape hardware (Tape Library (ATL), VTS). In investigating how our other operating systems use tapes I found that they use IBM TSM to talk directly to the ATL - and get high tape utilization (i.e. stacking multiple files on tape). kind of like a software VTS. Is there a product that supports this function on z/OS? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Software only VTS?
Afaik Control-T has the ability to stack files on tapes in order to optimize/utilize tape space. You probably do not want to mount tape all day to copy files from one tape to another and do only one write on the proper tape. You should use a tape library product like CTT, but I am sure this is not the only one in market that does that. Other option is to use cheap (read SATA) disk arrays with an emulation control unit that mimics 3390. There are some players in this market like Bustech. Itschak -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russell Witt Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 11:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Software only VTS? As Timothy stated, there are may options. Some (CA-1/Copycat, TLMS/Copycat, Tivoli Tape Optimizer, TAPESAVER, FATSCOPY) will copy tapes files AFTER they have been created and stack them together. CA-Vtape is a true virtual-tape emulation that uses existing dasd as the cache and then stacks the copies on the backend high-capacity cartridges. So a lot really depends on what you are trying to eliminate. Any of these would allow you to consolidate and fully utilize the new higher-capacity drives. If you are also trying to eliminate the number of physical drives you use; then a true virtual-tape emulation will be needed. That would either by an IBM VTS, Sun/STK VSM, CA-Vtape, the EMC Copycross or a few others. Most require some specific hardward purchase, but EMC will work if you already have an EMC dasd device and CA-Vtape will work with any dasd devices. Russell Witt CA-1 Level-2 Support Manager -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Greg Grimm Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 12:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Software only VTS? We are going to replace our tape hardware (Tape Library (ATL), VTS). In investigating how our other operating systems use tapes I found that they use IBM TSM to talk directly to the ATL - and get high tape utilization (i.e. stacking multiple files on tape). kind of like a software VTS. Is there a product that supports this function on z/OS? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/884 - Release Date: 02/07/2007 15:35 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/885 - Release Date: 03/07/2007 10:02 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
