The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=plugable_multiseat_kick&num=1 This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running Linux (Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a DisplayLink monitor, USB keyboard and mouse to the device. And you have a multi-user system on a single PC. Not a "server" PC with other PCs connected as "clients", but just one single PC. Reminds me of what could be done with MP/M-80 (the multiuser version of CP/M-80), except back then it was a serial (RS-232?) connected keyboard/display. Or, maybe, an S/360 with a 2260(?) or 3272(?). John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting
On Wed, 2 May 2012 07:00:37 -0500, McKown, John wrote: > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=plugable_multiseat_kick&num=1 > >This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running Linux (Fedora 17 >is mentioned). You then connect a DisplayLink monitor, USB keyboard and mouse >to the device. And you have a multi-user system on a single PC. Not a "server" >PC with other PCs connected as "clients", but just one single PC. Reminds me >of what could be done with MP/M-80 (the multiuser version of CP/M-80), except >back then it was a serial (RS-232?) connected keyboard/display. Or, maybe, an >S/360 with a 2260(?) or 3272(?). > Ah! The complement to the KVM switch! But it probably has the "client" PC embedded in the USB plug. I wonder what OS it runs? Is there an X11 server either in the USB plug or in the DisplayLink monitor? Does it need a driver? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting
Doesn't really say __how__ it works internally. The author simply says that, on Fedora 17, it is truly "plug and play". He plugged it into a PC running Fedora and he immediately saw a GDM login screen. He said performance was generally good, except for some HD video from YouTube. This is a "Kickstart" project, which means it isn't ready yet. From the Kickstart page, it implies this is an all hardware solution using ASICs. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1666707630/plugable-thin-client-the-50-computer -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 7:41 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I > hope interesting > > On Wed, 2 May 2012 07:00:37 -0500, McKown, John wrote: > > > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=plugable_mu > ltiseat_kick&num=1 > > > >This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running > Linux (Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a > DisplayLink monitor, USB keyboard and mouse to the device. > And you have a multi-user system on a single PC. Not a > "server" PC with other PCs connected as "clients", but just > one single PC. Reminds me of what could be done with MP/M-80 > (the multiuser version of CP/M-80), except back then it was a > serial (RS-232?) connected keyboard/display. Or, maybe, an > S/360 with a 2260(?) or 3272(?). > > > Ah! The complement to the KVM switch! But it probably has > the "client" PC > embedded in the USB plug. I wonder what OS it runs? Is there an X11 > server either in the USB plug or in the DisplayLink monitor? > Does it need > a driver? > > -- gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting
john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) writes: > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=plugable_multiseat_kick&num=1 > > This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running Linux > (Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a DisplayLink monitor, USB > keyboard and mouse to the device. And you have a multi-user system on > a single PC. Not a "server" PC with other PCs connected as "clients", > but just one single PC. Reminds me of what could be done with MP/M-80 > (the multiuser version of CP/M-80), except back then it was a serial > (RS-232?) connected keyboard/display. Or, maybe, an S/360 with a > 2260(?) or 3272(?). cp67 (ran on 360/67) delivered to the univ. jan1968 had support for 2741 (selectric typewriter with computer/rs-232 interface) and 1052 (sort of like 360 1052-7 operators console with rs-232 interface) terminals. the univ. had ascii/tty terminals ... so I added tty/ascii terminal support. the 2741/1052 support did games with switching terminal controller SAD command ... associated terminal specific line-scanner with each port/line ... so I added tty/ascii support in similar manner. I had wanted to have single dial-up number (hunt group) for all dial-up terminals ... but ibm terminal controller had taken short-cut ... while it was possible to change line-scanner, the line-speed was hard-wired for each port/line ... 2741&1052 operated at same line-speed, but tty/ascii was different speed. this somewhat was motivation for univ. to start clone controller project, reverse engineered 360 channel interface and build channel interface board for Interdata/3 programmed to emulate ibm terminal controller (but also supporting dynamic line-speed). Interdata then takes the implementation and markets as clone controller; Perken-Elmer then buys Interdata and continues to market under their own brand (30 yrs later ran across one in large east coast datacenter handling large percentage of point-of-sale dial-up terminals in the US). There is some write-up blaming four of us for (some part of) IBM clone controller business. past posts mentioning clone controller http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#360pcm This claims a major motivation for the Future System effort was clone controller business. There is also some implication that major design criteria for SNA was tight integration between NCP&VTAM ... a continuation of the FS goals: http://www.ecole.org/Crisis_and_change_1995_1.htm And then Ferguson & Morris book, "Computer Wars: The Post-IBM World", Time Books, 1993, mention that distraction of Future System and killing off work on 370 products ... and then after Future System imploded and delays in getting 370 efforts restarted, allowed clone processors to gain market foothold. before there was ms/dos there was seattle computer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-DOS before seattle computer there was cp/m, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Computer_Products before there was cp/m there was cp67/cms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/M kildall worked on cp67/cms at npg (gone 404, but lives on at the wayback machine) http://web.archive.org/web/20071011100440/http://www.khet.net/gmc/docs/museum/en_cpmName.html npg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Postgraduate_School cp67/cms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/CMS there is also folklore that person that did mp/m-80 had done a lot of work on cp67/cms -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting
On Wed, 2 May 2012, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Wed, 2 May 2012 07:00:37 -0500, McKown, John wrote: > > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=plugable_multiseat_kick&num=1 > > > >This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running Linux > >(Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a DisplayLink monitor, USB > >keyboard and mouse to the device. And you have a multi-user system on a > >single PC. Not a "server" PC with other PCs connected as "clients", but > >just one single PC. Reminds me of what could be done with MP/M-80 (the > >multiuser version of CP/M-80), except back then it was a serial > >(RS-232?) connected keyboard/display. Or, maybe, an S/360 with a > >2260(?) or 3272(?). > > > > Ah! The complement to the KVM switch! But it probably has the "client" > PC embedded in the USB plug. I wonder what OS it runs? Is there an X11 > server either in the USB plug or in the DisplayLink monitor? Does it > need a driver? I would use either X11 or RDP/VNC. And just recently I have learned about Wayland, which is to be alternative to X, because X is "too complicated" (which doesn't mean Wayland stays simple over long time). Actually, I would consider using some cheap netbooted laptop(s), because I don't have to care about Windows drivers :-). And to run X-server with non-demanding 2D apps, I think 64MB of ram is much more than sufficient (nowadays, it will be a bit hard to find machine with this low mem). Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting
John, I didn't think anyone remembered MP/M-80, let alone what it did! Back in the 80's, I put together MP/M-80 machines and wrote application software for them. We benchmarked our 7-8 user systems and ran better than any DEC multi user system. We were even the first Iomega customer and designed a board to allow their 8" cartridge to work as a high capacity (10M) storage device. Ah, the old days. How fun was that? My, we've come a long, long way in 25 years. Robert -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=plugable_multiseat_kick&num=1 This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running Linux (Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a DisplayLink monitor, USB keyboard and mouse to the device. And you have a multi-user system on a single PC. Not a "server" PC with other PCs connected as "clients", but just one single PC. Reminds me of what could be done with MP/M-80 (the multiuser version of CP/M-80), except back then it was a serial (RS-232?) connected keyboard/display. Or, maybe, an S/360 with a 2260(?) or 3272(?). John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting
http://plugable.com/products/ The two products are already in production. This kickstarter project is to do 1 large order for a lower unit cost. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:05 AM, McKown, John wrote: > Doesn't really say __how__ it works internally. The author simply says that, > on Fedora 17, it is truly "plug and play". He plugged it into a PC running > Fedora and he immediately saw a GDM login screen. He said performance was > generally good, except for some HD video from YouTube. > > This is a "Kickstart" project, which means it isn't ready yet. From the > Kickstart page, it implies this is an all hardware solution using ASICs. > > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1666707630/plugable-thin-client-the-50-computer > > -- > John McKown > >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List >> [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin >> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 7:41 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu >> Subject: Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I >> hope interesting >> >> On Wed, 2 May 2012 07:00:37 -0500, McKown, John wrote: >> >> > >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=plugable_multiseat_kick&num=1 >> > >> >This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running >> Linux (Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a >> DisplayLink monitor, USB keyboard and mouse to the device. >> And you have a multi-user system on a single PC. Not a >> "server" PC with other PCs connected as "clients", but just >> one single PC. Reminds me of what could be done with MP/M-80 >> (the multiuser version of CP/M-80), except back then it was a >> serial (RS-232?) connected keyboard/display. Or, maybe, an >> S/360 with a 2260(?) or 3272(?). >> > >> Ah! The complement to the KVM switch! But it probably has >> the "client" PC >> embedded in the USB plug. I wonder what OS it runs? Is there an X11 >> server either in the USB plug or in the DisplayLink monitor? >> Does it need >> a driver? >> >> -- gil -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting
Thanks. I followed the wrong links, I guess. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets® 9151 Boulevard 26 . N. Richland Hills . TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone . john.mck...@healthmarkets.com . www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets® is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company®, Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:30 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I > hope interesting > > http://plugable.com/products/ > > The two products are already in production. This kickstarter project > is to do 1 large order for a lower unit cost. > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:05 AM, McKown, John > wrote: > > Doesn't really say __how__ it works internally. The author > simply says that, on Fedora 17, it is truly "plug and play". > He plugged it into a PC running Fedora and he immediately saw > a GDM login screen. He said performance was generally good, > except for some HD video from YouTube. > > > > This is a "Kickstart" project, which means it isn't ready > yet. From the Kickstart page, it implies this is an all > hardware solution using ASICs. > > > > > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1666707630/plugable-thin-c > lient-the-50-computer > > > > -- > > John McKown > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > >> [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 7:41 AM > >> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > >> Subject: Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I > >> hope interesting > >> > >> On Wed, 2 May 2012 07:00:37 -0500, McKown, John wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=plugable_mu > ltiseat_kick&num=1 > >> > > >> >This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running > >> Linux (Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a > >> DisplayLink monitor, USB keyboard and mouse to the device. > >> And you have a multi-user system on a single PC. Not a > >> "server" PC with other PCs connected as "clients", but just > >> one single PC. Reminds me of what could be done with MP/M-80 > >> (the multiuser version of CP/M-80), except back then it was a > >> serial (RS-232?) connected keyboard/display. Or, maybe, an > >> S/360 with a 2260(?) or 3272(?). > >> > > >> Ah! The complement to the KVM switch! But it probably has > >> the "client" PC > >> embedded in the USB plug. I wonder what OS it runs? Is > there an X11 > >> server either in the USB plug or in the DisplayLink monitor? > >> Does it need > >> a driver? > >> > >> -- gil > > -- > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
