Re: Token Ring and z9 Processor
Frank Lawrence wrote: I was surprised to find today that IBM no longer offers OSA Token Ring as of the introduction of the zSeries z9-109 processor line. Apparently they made some statement of direction about this last year, but then who takes those things seriously. It's sort of like when IBM responds to a SHARE requirement with the words future design consideration --- you just don't believe it is really going to happen. I have no information about OSA Token Ring, but you should _always_ take announced statements of direction seriously. snip -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Token Ring and z9 Processor
Shmuel Metz , Seymour J. wrote: snip It's sort of like when IBM responds to a SHARE requirement with the words future design consideration --- you just don't believe it is really going to happen. Why? I know of one that IBM implemented after rejecting it. This is not terribly unusual. Many requirements are rejected on the basis that we'll probably never get to them, even if they're good ideas. This is often because the cost of changing the code appears to put the item out of reach for the foreseeable future when compared to other things that are higher in priority. But sometimes opportunities to open up the code arise for some unrelated reason and we wind up being able to accommodate the request after it's been rejected. (I know I did this in a ServerPac design or two.) -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Token Ring and z9 Processor
Skip Robinson wrote: We have not had ANY token ring applications for years except as required for mainframe interconnection. Our network folks would be happy to see its demise altogether. It have been possible for years (since G5 AFAIK) to get rid of TR, even for SE-HMC connections. AFAIR z/990 have Ethernet as the only option for such connection. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Token Ring and z9 Processor
We have not had ANY token ring applications for years except as required for mainframe interconnection. Our network folks would be happy to see its demise altogether. . . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frank Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNTRUST.COM To Sent by: IBM IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Mainframe cc Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject .EDU Token Ring and z9 Processor 12/19/2005 03:45 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU I was surprised to find today that IBM no longer offers OSA Token Ring as of the introduction of the zSeries z9-109 processor line. Apparently they made some statement of direction about this last year, but then who takes those things seriously. It's sort of like when IBM responds to a SHARE requirement with the words future design consideration --- you just don't believe it is really going to happen. Well, we have a large demand for token ring among out sites, and will have for at least the next few years. So, how much demand is out there for Token Ring in other mainframe customer locations? If you don't mind sharing, I'd like to hear back from shops using Token Ring and your thoughts on how this will impact your upgrade decisions. Also, if you have already addressed this limitation with some third party OEM solution, please share that, too. - Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Token Ring and z9 Processor
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/19/2005 at 05:45 PM, Frank Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Apparently they made some statement of direction about this last ?year, but then who takes those things seriously. The prudent. It's sort of like when IBM responds to a SHARE requirement with the words future design consideration --- you just don't believe it is really going to happen. Why? I know of one that IBM implemented after rejecting it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Token Ring and z9 Processor
We are still in the process of converting all regional buildings from Token Ring to Ethernet but Ethernet only connections at the MF are not a problem in fact that's where we already are. The PC's on token ring are generally on the other side of the WAN cloud. Do you really need a Token Ring network attachment of your zSeries processor or just the continued use of Token Ring attached clients to access mainframe resident applications? Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Lawrence Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 6:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Token Ring and z9 Processor I was surprised to find today that IBM no longer offers OSA Token Ring as of the introduction of the zSeries z9-109 processor line. Apparently they made some statement of direction about this last year, but then who takes those things seriously. It's sort of like when IBM responds to a SHARE requirement with the words future design consideration --- you just don't believe it is really going to happen. Well, we have a large demand for token ring among out sites, and will have for at least the next few years. So, how much demand is out there for Token Ring in other mainframe customer locations? If you don't mind sharing, I'd like to hear back from shops using Token Ring and your thoughts on how this will impact your upgrade decisions. Also, if you have already addressed this limitation with some third party OEM solution, please share that, too. - Thanks This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Token Ring and z9 Processor
I was surprised to find today that IBM no longer offers OSA Token Ring as of the introduction of the zSeries z9-109 processor line. Apparently they made some statement of direction about this last year, but then who takes those things seriously. It's sort of like when IBM responds to a SHARE requirement with the words future design consideration --- you just don't believe it is really going to happen. Well, we have a large demand for token ring among out sites, and will have for at least the next few years. So, how much demand is out there for Token Ring in other mainframe customer locations? If you don't mind sharing, I'd like to hear back from shops using Token Ring and your thoughts on how this will impact your upgrade decisions. Also, if you have already addressed this limitation with some third party OEM solution, please share that, too. - Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Token Ring and z9 Processor
Frank Lawrence wrote: I was surprised to find today that IBM no longer offers OSA Token Ring as of the introduction of the zSeries z9-109 processor line. Apparently they made some statement of direction about this last year, but then who takes those things seriously. It's sort of like when IBM responds to a SHARE requirement with the words future design consideration --- you just don't believe it is really going to happen. Well, we have a large demand for token ring among out sites, and will have for at least the next few years. So, how much demand is out there for Token Ring in other mainframe customer locations? If you don't mind sharing, I'd like to hear back from shops using Token Ring and your thoughts on how this will impact your upgrade decisions. Also, if you have already addressed this limitation with some third party OEM solution, please share that, too. - Thanks As we have requirments for both Ethernet and Token Ring we have taken the stance that all new MF will only have Ethernet and we will use routers to get to the Token Ring segments. The MF will have Gigabit Ethernet only. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
