Re: VTAM and MS Host Integrated Server IP-DLC (Enterprise Extender)
Tim, Don't worry. You are among friends here who generally bridle at being forced to call out beloved VTAM by some foreign name and perhaps there are some who bridle even more at the forced cohabitation - but at least the bed (if you regard the I/O logic as the bed) is made of robust materials and has a dependable pedigree. Come to think of it there may be some Micro$oft folk who can't get used to their beloved SNA Server wearing different clothes. I always feel that this name changing is to disguise the guilty and confuse the innocent, perhaps not always without cause. As Ed Rabera - almost - says you should subscribe to the IBMTCP-L list - send sub IBMTCP-L your name to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the group/list for the IP side of Communication Server and, hence, Enterprise Extender. It can also, out of frustration over the unavailability of a similar group/list, be the place for purely VTAM issues. However, as you have already worked out, if it's anything to do with IBM 360 successor systems, hardware or software, IBM-MAIN collects it - and many in attendance are themselves IBM 360 successor people g. Here's the documentation you should use: A redbook, maybe the one you already know: Migrating Subarea Networks to an IP Infrastructure Using Enterprise Extender http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg245957.html Three presentations: z/OS CS Enterprise Extender Hints and Tips http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27006650aid=1 Understanding Enterprise Extender, Part 1 - Concepts and Considerations http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27006667aid=1 Understanding Enterprise Extender, Part 2 - Nuts and Bolts http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27006668aid=1 There are a couple of relevant threads running currently on IBMTCP-L: EE Activation steps and Anyone convert their SNI Connection with AGNS/Advantis over to EE yet?. You should check the IBMTCP-L archive, http://vm.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?IBMTCP-L , or use, for example, Google groups, to review past post threads. If the redbook to which you are referring is the one about Enterprise Extender as referenced above, this is still the only one - as far as I know. However, the way you described it put me in mind of a document - I'm not sure it was a redbook - which covered every known way to implement APPC, that is, it covered the intricacies of he definition process on every known platform. I'm sure Pat forgot to add a g or the smiley characters to his final sentence. g There's no reason why you shouldn't use the IBM newsgroups - Pat does - a lot. The great advantage is that they have the developers in attendance - well, one very conscientious one anyhow who can activate others as required. The starting point is http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=2192context=SSRRLBdc=D700uid=swg27005100loc=en_UScs=utf-8lang=en Regarding terminology: VTAM developers are their own worst enemies when it comes to misuse of terminology. Unfortunately, at an early stage in SNA networking evolution when the PU statement was no longer directly associated with the SNA PU entity but with the adjacent link station, the opportunity was missed to change the initials from PU to, say, ALS. This should have happened at the time multiple links between NCPs was introduced. Thus we now have the ridiculous situation with Enterprise Extender where the term PU keeps appearing in a variety of contexts when it usually represents the end-point of a logical link of some sort. Whenever you see PU mentioned think first that it represents an adjacent link station, then possibly a whole node and lastly it might actually refer to the SNA PU entity. Finally, I Googled (HIS Enterprise Extender) in order to see what help might be available for HIS and IP-DLC. Hm, I had already downloaded Configuring IP-DLC Link Service for IBM Enterprise Extender[1] a couple of months ago. I notice the document contains a lot about VTAM and TCP/IP for MVS (as Communication Server IP used to be known before the merger). You should apply the usual rule that, if a document tries to tell you technical things about someone else's product, you should treat it with extreme scepticism. Paying attention to this rule avoids masses of wasted time. It might be useful to ask questions with reference to this document when it concerns HIS IP-DLC matters since it seems to cover each of the configuration panels. Chris Mason [1] http://download.microsoft.com/download/a/f/f/affdc2aa-63ca-48c7-9431-c50736f24236/configuring%20ip-dlc%20link%20service%20for%20ibm%20enterprise%20extender.doc - Original Message - From: Tim Hare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Friday, 24 March, 2006 5:54 PM Subject: VTAM and MS Host Integrated Server IP-DLC (Enterprise Extender) Is this the correct place to ask about VTAM issues? We're trying to move a Microsoft Host Integration Server from 802.2 connection to IP-DLC (AKA Enterprise Extender
Re: VTAM and MS Host Integrated Server IP-DLC (Enterprise Extender)
Tim, Looking for another redbook, I found the document I was puzzling about in my last post. It is a redbook, the Multiplatform APPC Configuration Guide, GG24-4485-00, December 1994. I think I must have seen an earlier version of the document but some clever Raleigh ITSO assignee must have picked it up and made a redbook out of it. Chris Mason - Original Message - From: Tim Hare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Friday, 24 March, 2006 5:54 PM Subject: VTAM and MS Host Integrated Server IP-DLC (Enterprise Extender) Is this the correct place to ask about VTAM issues? We're trying to move a Microsoft Host Integration Server from 802.2 connection to IP-DLC (AKA Enterprise Extender). The documentation we've found, however, doesn't really use the same names everywhere so we're having difficulty relating it to what we want to do. I remember (fondly) an old IBM Redbook which had examples of how to define things on both ends, and also documented what names and parameters had to match. Is there any such thing for HIS and VTAM (sorry Communication Server)? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VTAM and MS Host Integrated Server IP-DLC (Enterprise Extender)
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:54:27 -0600, Tim Hare wrote: Is this the correct place to ask about VTAM issues? We're trying to move a Microsoft Host Integration Server from 802.2 connection to IP-DLC (AKA Enterprise Extender). The documentation we've found, however, doesn't really use the same names everywhere so we're having difficulty relating it to what we want to do. I remember (fondly) an old IBM Redbook which had examples of how to define things on both ends, and also documented what names and parameters had to match. Is there any such thing for HIS and VTAM (sorry Communication Server)? Tim, Perhaps if you have specific configuration questions, someone on the list may be able to help. Other than 3270 terminal access, do use other HIS/SNA Server functions that forces you to keep using MS SNA Server? Can you live with the TN3270 Server on z/OS (OS/390)? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VTAM and MS Host Integrated Server IP-DLC (Enterprise Extender)
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:39:34 -0600, Ed Rabara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:54:27 -0600, Tim Hare wrote: Is this the correct place to ask about VTAM issues? We're trying to move a Microsoft Host Integration Server from 802.2 connection to IP-DLC (AKA Enterprise Extender). The documentation we've found, however, doesn't really use the same names everywhere so we're having difficulty relating it to what we want to do. I remember (fondly) an old IBM Redbook which had examples of how to define things on both ends, and also documented what names and parameters had to match. Is there any such thing for HIS and VTAM (sorry Communication Server)? Tim, Perhaps if you have specific configuration questions, someone on the list may be able to help. Other than 3270 terminal access, do use other HIS/SNA Server functions that forces you to keep using MS SNA Server? Can you live with the TN3270 Server on z/OS (OS/390)? I want to add, since you mentioned Enterprise Extender, you may want to cross post your question at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (IBM TCP/IP List). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
VTAM and MS Host Integrated Server IP-DLC (Enterprise Extender)
Is this the correct place to ask about VTAM issues? We're trying to move a Microsoft Host Integration Server from 802.2 connection to IP-DLC (AKA Enterprise Extender). The documentation we've found, however, doesn't really use the same names everywhere so we're having difficulty relating it to what we want to do. I remember (fondly) an old IBM Redbook which had examples of how to define things on both ends, and also documented what names and parameters had to match. Is there any such thing for HIS and VTAM (sorry Communication Server)? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VTAM and MS Host Integrated Server IP-DLC (Enterprise Extender)
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:54:27 -0600, Tim Hare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this the correct place to ask about VTAM issues? We're trying to move a Microsoft Host Integration Server from 802.2 connection to IP-DLC (AKA Enterprise Extender). ... There really is no good place for VTAM questions any more. Enterprise Extender questions show up occassionally here and more regularly on the TCP/IP Listserver list. (And Chris Mason monitors both so you are in good hands either place.) Some of us on this list have Enterprise Extender experience, but I don't about Microsoft Host Integration Server. (I've never heard of it.) Ask some specific questions and we'll try to answer. The worst that can happen is that you'll get completely wrong and potentially harmful answers. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VTAM and MS Host Integrated Server IP-DLC (Enterprise Extender)
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:39:36 -0600, Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... There really is no good place for VTAM questions any more. ... I should correct that. IBM runs a NewsGroup server with VTAM and APPN newsgroups, with z/CS developers(and Cisco developers) monitoring them. Very useful ... except that they are NewsGroups. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: VTAM and MS Host Integrated Server IP-DLC (Enterprise Extender)
Tim Hare wrote: Is this the correct place to ask about VTAM issues? We're trying to move a Microsoft Host Integration Server from 802.2 connection to IP-DLC (AKA Enterprise Extender). The documentation we've found, however, doesn't really use the same names everywhere so we're having difficulty relating it to what we want to do. I remember (fondly) an old IBM Redbook which had examples of how to define things on both ends, and also documented what names and parameters had to match. Is there any such thing for HIS and VTAM (sorry Communication Server)? Does HIS support EE type connections? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
