Re: Windows application key from a vendor
On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 00:27:11 EDT, A. Harry Williams wrote: It's a security function of the PDF file. Look at the Document Properties (Ctrl-D on Windows) and select the Security Tab. For example, try copying from this http://www.share.org/client_files/docupload/Bit%20Bucket%2026%20(1A).pdf Indeed. I can print it to a PostScript file, and I can render that PostScript with Ghostscript, but when I try: gs -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile=- Bit-Bucket-26-\(1A\).ps ... Ghostscript says: This PostScript file was created from an encrypted PDF file. Redistilling encrypted PDF is not permitted. ... but I have the source code. I wonder what I could do if I were willing to violate the DMCA? Might it be as simple as editing out the lock in the .ps? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Windows application key from a vendor
It's just a weirdity of Acrobat - took me awhile to figure it out as well. Gotta hit that menu button before selecting text. Ed Gould wrote: On Jun 28, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote: ---SNIP Assuming you're using the Adbobe Reader, you simply clock Select in the toolbar across the top. Then, simply select/copy the text in which you're interested. Ed, Seems like I was incorrect or something has changed with PDF's in OS X. It used to be I couldn't do that. If I use the OS X PDF reader it allows me to paste. I learned something new. Thanks for suggesting it. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Windows application key from a vendor
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:33:03 -0700 Edward Jaffe said: Ed Gould wrote: On Jun 28, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Edward Jaffe wrote: Ed Gould wrote: Yes but most of the time the key is either in printed form *OR* some place (PDF) where you can't copy Paste. FWIW, you can almost always copy/paste from a PDF. Maybe in the windows world but I can't seem to do it in the MAC world. I will ask my PDF guru this afternoon to see if its a mac only issue and why. Assuming you're using the Adbobe Reader, you simply clock Select in the toolbar across the top. Then, simply select/copy the text in which you're interested. It's a security function of the PDF file. Look at the Document Properties (Ctrl-D on Windows) and select the Security Tab. For example, try copying from this http://www.share.org/client_files/docupload/Bit%20Bucket%2026%20(1A).pdf but you can from this one http://www.share.org/client_files/docupload/Bit%20Bucket%2001.pdf /ahw -- Edward E Jaffe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Windows application key from a vendor
Ed Gould wrote: On Jun 28, 2007, at 10:15 AM, R.S. wrote: Ed Gould wrote: On Jun 28, 2007, at 9:06 AM, R.S. wrote: ---SNIP-- BTW: Obviously the key presented by David is stupidly long. However it is not a problem if one can simply copy it and paste, without typing. --Radoslaw Skorupka Yes but most of the time the key is either in printed form *OR* some place (PDF) where you can't copy Paste. Bad argument. In *this* case it was copy-paste'able. In other cases I have never seen a key which was 'type-only' and was longer than Windows XP key. I doubt any company which generated 150-chars key would require user to type it. Well I have never run into 150 character key. But I have run into other window type displays that do not allow copy and you have to manually copy the message so you can re-key it into to the PMR its (to me anyway) is on the same level as 150 character key. I sustain my opinion, that copy-paste of 150 characters is piece of cake. It has nothing to do with other products you experienced, since it is possible to use clipboard here. From my experience, one of the longest key I typed is WinXP key and 'unnamed' product for z/OS which also required to be put in assembler source, then assemblation, linking, etc. Say what you want about documentation but most PC type applications would never conceive of a messages and codes manual. Completely different topic. However I remember 'Messages and Codes' for Novell Netware v3. Approx 1990. Since it's not Windows software, does it count ? g Most (except for COBOL) IBM products have them. My OS/2 has not. Did I miss something ? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2007 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci opacony) wynosi 118.064.140 z. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchwa XVI WZ z dnia 21.05.2003 r., kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 118.760.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Windows application key from a vendor
On Jun 28, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote: ---SNIP Assuming you're using the Adbobe Reader, you simply clock Select in the toolbar across the top. Then, simply select/copy the text in which you're interested. Ed, Seems like I was incorrect or something has changed with PDF's in OS X. It used to be I couldn't do that. If I use the OS X PDF reader it allows me to paste. I learned something new. Thanks for suggesting it. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Windows application key from a vendor
My son just purchased a drawing type package for hi sPC. Works in conjunction
with a special pen and pad. Below is the vendor's key. I got a kick out of
it. Didn't count the total characters, but appears to be somewhere around 150
or so.
--Dave
2. Copy this Unlock Key to your clipboard (including '{' '}'):
{7ESQTZKMFNR6SL3P3G9LT75XL34X5BNK5F7F5X6KX7GXXMNFZPT
RT8UH46R2DBERJF68YEXRNQ24N5AMC725FZJDHSVHECHF8TXUKFH
QPH6C4TPJKWDE-4DWXAA18WMUAB3F1BAHAFCSMLN371M95LDU7N}
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Re: Windows application key from a vendor
snip
2. Copy this Unlock Key to your clipboard (including '{' '}'):
{7ESQTZKMFNR6SL3P3G9LT75XL34X5BNK5F7F5X6KX7GXXMNFZPT
RT8UH46R2DBERJF68YEXRNQ24N5AMC725FZJDHSVHECHF8TXUKFH
QPH6C4TPJKWDE-4DWXAA18WMUAB3F1BAHAFCSMLN371M95LDU7N}
snip
Amazing how un-secured the PC really is. Seems to me they are really
paranoid over someone hacking into their code. Hum - I have seen keys
on the mainframe as short as 8-10 bytes and no one has decoded them yet.
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Re: Windows application key from a vendor
Larry Dinwiddie wrote: snip Amazing how un-secured the PC really is. Seems to me they are really paranoid over someone hacking into their code. Hum - I have seen keys on the mainframe as short as 8-10 bytes and no one has decoded them yet. How do you know ? I heard about guys which were able to upgrade 9672 machine via microcode (enable existing CPs). They did it for monye, but never advertised in press. I also heard about case of software hacking (directly from a person who did it). I think you shouldn't expect 'cracks codes' page for z/software. Not to much private mainframe owners interested in illegal operations, and much less of them interested in contributing those 'cracks' to everyone. Much simpler (and usually *legal*) would be to share some service passwords for hardware - I googled for some of them - found no reference. Last but not least: how many TRIED to break any key on mainframe ? How many licenses of key-locked products are sold ? BTW: Obviously the key presented by David is stupidly long. However it is not a problem if one can simply copy it and paste, without typing. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2007 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci opacony) wynosi 118.064.140 z. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchwa XVI WZ z dnia 21.05.2003 r., kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 118.760.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Windows application key from a vendor
On Jun 28, 2007, at 9:06 AM, R.S. wrote: ---SNIP-- BTW: Obviously the key presented by David is stupidly long. However it is not a problem if one can simply copy it and paste, without typing. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Yes but most of the time the key is either in printed form *OR* some place (PDF) where you can't copy Paste. ED -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Windows application key from a vendor
Ed Gould wrote: Yes but most of the time the key is either in printed form *OR* some place (PDF) where you can't copy Paste. FWIW, you can almost always copy/paste from a PDF. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Windows application key from a vendor
Ed Gould wrote: On Jun 28, 2007, at 9:06 AM, R.S. wrote: ---SNIP-- BTW: Obviously the key presented by David is stupidly long. However it is not a problem if one can simply copy it and paste, without typing. --Radoslaw Skorupka Yes but most of the time the key is either in printed form *OR* some place (PDF) where you can't copy Paste. Bad argument. In *this* case it was copy-paste'able. In other cases I have never seen a key which was 'type-only' and was longer than Windows XP key. I doubt any company which generated 150-chars key would require user to type it. BTW: I have a software on z/OS which require approx 20 hex characters to be put in load module on linklist. So, I have to copy-paste it (in the past to type it), then assemble link the module, then refresh LLA. Is it so smart ? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2007 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci opacony) wynosi 118.064.140 z. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchwa XVI WZ z dnia 21.05.2003 r., kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 118.760.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Windows application key from a vendor
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:06:05 +0200, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you shouldn't expect 'cracks codes' page for z/software. Not to much private mainframe owners interested in illegal operations, and much less of them interested in contributing those 'cracks' to everyone. Much simpler (and usually *legal*) would be to share some service passwords for hardware - I googled for some of them - found no reference. Many are documented in the mainstream hardware publications. Last but not least: how many TRIED to break any key on mainframe ? Well I sort of tried once, just out of curiosity. There seem to be two basic forms of keys I've seen in mainframe products (and on other platforms too): One is a longish key that in itself contains the licence information, i.e. enables some mix of product features, and possibly contains an encrypted CPU id, etc. This key is entirely opaque, and is presumably decrypted by the software to find out the operating parameters. The other is a plain text licence of some sort, plus a signature or hash so that the recipient can't just change the plaintext portion. Often the plaintext is long, and the signature is pretty short. Or sometimes the signature is public-key based, and is typically quite a bit longer. Regardless, if you make a one-bit change to the plaintext portion (say, have the vendor correct a one character spelling error in the company address), typically the signature changes a lot. Some of our own products use an XML file that can get quite wordy, with a 128 byte signature. But no one is asked to cut paste this; you just install the shipped licence file and go. What I idly looked into breaking (i.e. by eyeballing) was a licence key that contains some plain text (CPU serial, features, date) plus a not-too-long magic hex string. I just happened to have a few of these keys in a file from several years worth of updates, and noticed that the hex string changes very little with small predictable changes in e.g. the date. So it clearly is not strongly encrypted, because one would expect the string to change radically with even a tiny change in the input. Yet the string isn't long enough to contain the CPU serial or much else, so I suspect extremely weak hashing. It looks like a puzzle worthy of a weekend newspaper, but the few minutes I spent wasn't enough. And no, I am not going to send out the list for others to play with. Now I'll expect some bogus extraterritorial DMCA notice from each of a bunch of companies who think theirs is the key in question. :-) Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Windows application key from a vendor
On Jun 28, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Edward Jaffe wrote: Ed Gould wrote: Yes but most of the time the key is either in printed form *OR* some place (PDF) where you can't copy Paste. FWIW, you can almost always copy/paste from a PDF. Maybe in the windows world but I can't seem to do it in the MAC world. I will ask my PDF guru this afternoon to see if its a mac only issue and why. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Windows application key from a vendor
Ed Gould wrote: On Jun 28, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Edward Jaffe wrote: Ed Gould wrote: Yes but most of the time the key is either in printed form *OR* some place (PDF) where you can't copy Paste. FWIW, you can almost always copy/paste from a PDF. Maybe in the windows world but I can't seem to do it in the MAC world. I will ask my PDF guru this afternoon to see if its a mac only issue and why. Assuming you're using the Adbobe Reader, you simply clock Select in the toolbar across the top. Then, simply select/copy the text in which you're interested. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Windows application key from a vendor
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:33:03 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: FWIW, you can almost always copy/paste from a PDF. Maybe in the windows world but I can't seem to do it in the MAC world. I will ask my PDF guru this afternoon to see if its a mac only issue and why. Assuming you're using the Adbobe Reader, you simply clock Select in the toolbar across the top. Then, simply select/copy the text in which you're interested. Or, in Preview, select Tools-Text -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
