Google Groups Stopped reading IBM-MAIN
I usually monitor IBM-MAIN with GoogleGroups https://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.ibm-main/topics but that stopped showing updates on Friday, August 1st. My daily digest showed me I was missing the traffic, just thought I would post. (Though anyone else using GoogleGroups will also only see this in the digest. Guess I need to use another reader. Al Sherkow, I/S Management Strategies, Ltd. Consulting Expertise on Capacity Planning, Performance Tuning, WLC, LPARs, IRD and LCS Software Seminars on IBM SW Pricing, LPARs, and IRD Voice: +1 414 332-3062 Web: www.sherkow.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Google Groups Stopped reading IBM-MAIN
Maybe the clock broke, my prophylaxis was Thursday the 4th! In a message dated 8/7/2011 9:42:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, a...@sherkow.com writes: updates on Friday, August 1st. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: google groups
In f792e230ab8bd4489c7e7305832bba30307...@daemsg01.eur.ad.sag, on 04/12/2010 at 04:12 PM, Grimmette, John john.grimme...@softwareag.com said: well I also have a problem with my posts. I forget the exact mailserver message as I put the replies I receive in the bit-bucket myself. Our Mailserver or better said our SPAM checking system objects to ANY listserver reply in my name, simply because it says this mail says it came from our domain and it plainly didn't. Then their software is broken, because e-mail from the list has a reverse path of owner-ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu and the headers include Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu. I know it is possible to define each listserver, Google or Yahoo group to avoid this, There should be no need; they should have someone who understands RFC 5321 and RFC 5322 fix their filters. The messages from the list appear to be properly formatted. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: google groups
Hallo, well I also have a problem with my posts. I forget the exact mailserver message as I put the replies I receive in the bit-bucket myself. Our Mailserver or better said our SPAM checking system objects to ANY listserver reply in my name, simply because it says this mail says it came from our domain and it plainly didn't. I know it is possible to define each listserver, Google or Yahoo group to avoid this, but isn't life too short for this. Especially for Darren Evans-Young a big thank-you for your efforts! Best Wishes John Grimmette Software AG - Sitz/Registered office: Uhlandstra?e 12, 64297 Darmstadt, Germany, - Registergericht/Commercial register: Darmstadt HRB 1562 - Vorstand/ Management Board: Karl-Heinz Streibich (Vorsitzender/Chairman), David Broadbent, Mark Edwards, Dr. Peter Kurpick, Ivo Totev, Arnd Zinnhardt; - Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender/ Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Dr. Andreas Bereczky - http://www.softwareag.com/ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Darren Evans-Young Sent: 10 April 2010 17:56 To: ibm-main@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: google groups On Wed, 7 Apr 2010, Ed Gould wrote: I have had a problem with the person responsible for the list for about 9 months (approximately). i think by their non answer they are stumped. Or else they tossed the issue in the bit bucket (take your pick). Aw, come on Ed. You've had a problem with me for more than 9 months! Look, your settings are set for you to receive a copy of your own post when you send something to IBM-MAIN. If you don't receive your own copy, it is not going to be Listserv's fault. It is most likely the fault of the server where you receive your email. If this was a Listserv issue, I would be swamped with complaints from the majority of subscribers. Listserv isn't going to selectively pick you out and decide not to send Ed Ghould a copy of his own post. I can't get that proof to you because I cannot access the mail logs like I used to. Even then, the logs would not show that your domain decided to drop the email in the bit bucket. It would show the email got delivered. What your domain does after that, I or Listserv have no control over. The best advice I can offer is when you send your email to IBM-MAIN, check the archives at: http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=IBM-MAIN If it appears in the archives, then it got processed and sent out, regardless of who does or does not actually receive it. Darren Evans-Young IBM-MAIN List Owner -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: google groups
From: Darren Evans-Young dar...@bama.ua.edu To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Sat, April 10, 2010 10:56:26 AM Subject: Re: google groups On Wed, 7 Apr 2010, Ed Gould wrote: I have had a problem with the person responsible for the list for about 9 months (approximately). i think by their non answer they are stumped. Or else they tossed the issue in the bit bucket (take your pick). Aw, come on Ed. You've had a problem with me for more than 9 months! ---snip--- Now and then sure but nothing like some people on here that live in Canada. You make sense, that more than I can say for the 6 wives of Sir Ted of Canada. = Look, your settings are set for you to receive a copy of your own post when you send something to IBM-MAIN. If you don't receive your own copy, it is not going to be Listserv's fault. It is most likely the fault of the server where you receive your email. If this was a Listserv issue, I would be swamped with complaints from the majority of subscribers. Listserv isn't going to selectively pick you out and decide not to send Ed Ghould a copy of his own post. I can't get that proof to you because I cannot access the mail logs like I used to. Even then, the logs would not show that your domain decided to drop the email in the bit bucket. It would show the email got delivered. What your domain does after that, I or Listserv have no control over. The best advice I can offer is when you send your email to IBM-MAIN, check the archives at: http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=IBM-MAIN If it appears in the archives, then it got processed and sent out, regardless of who does or does not actually receive it. --- I had already checked the setting before contacting you. I have never been interested in the working of the listserv (except for the 100 or so line limitation that you have implemented). The last I thought you said you were going to check with the people who had access and that was many months ago. I know this is not a major issue, but it does impact multiple people. SInce I am not the only one effected it would be helpful to know that the software did send it out. At least IO have (albeit small) information to go after Google or Yahoo. Thanks for keeping me in the loop? Ed Darren Evans-Young IBM-MAIN List Owner -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: google groups
On Wed, 7 Apr 2010, Ed Gould wrote: I have had a problem with the person responsible for the list for about 9 months (approximately). i think by their non answer they are stumped. Or else they tossed the issue in the bit bucket (take your pick). Aw, come on Ed. You've had a problem with me for more than 9 months! Look, your settings are set for you to receive a copy of your own post when you send something to IBM-MAIN. If you don't receive your own copy, it is not going to be Listserv's fault. It is most likely the fault of the server where you receive your email. If this was a Listserv issue, I would be swamped with complaints from the majority of subscribers. Listserv isn't going to selectively pick you out and decide not to send Ed Ghould a copy of his own post. I can't get that proof to you because I cannot access the mail logs like I used to. Even then, the logs would not show that your domain decided to drop the email in the bit bucket. It would show the email got delivered. What your domain does after that, I or Listserv have no control over. The best advice I can offer is when you send your email to IBM-MAIN, check the archives at: http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=IBM-MAIN If it appears in the archives, then it got processed and sent out, regardless of who does or does not actually receive it. Darren Evans-Young IBM-MAIN List Owner -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: google groups
From: McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 7:28:00 AM Subject: Re: google groups -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Schaefer Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: google groups I don't have access to IBM-main from work (we've tried many times to get this resolved with no success). I've tried posting via google groups but the posts don't show up (except on google groups). Any ideas (other than getting my works email fixed)? I have had a problem with the person responsible for the list for about 9 months (approximately). i think by their non answer they are stumped. Or else they tossed the issue in the bit bucket (take your pick). I have a feeling the problem has to do with both Google and Yahoo (guessing here). The message gets to the list but the message does not show up back in the senders email box. *GUESS* here it has to do with Google Yahoo spam rules. If its really bothering you you can read the the group online using John McGowns's instructions. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: google groups
Ed Gould wrote: I have had a problem with the person responsible for the list for about 9 months (approximately). i think by their non answer they are stumped. Or else they tossed the issue in the bit bucket (take your pick). bit bucket. file 13. /dev/null ;-D If its really bothering you you can read the the group online using John McGowns's instructions. Watch out: It is John McKown! He'll put a Gown over your head! ;-D ;-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: google groups
In 4bbc7573.5040...@gmail.com, on 04/07/2010 at 08:07 AM, Bruce Schaefer bruce.s...@gmail.com said: I don't have access to IBM-main from work (we've tried many times to get this resolved with no success). I've tried posting via google groups but the posts don't show up (except on google groups). Google groups is merely an archive; bit.listserv.ibm-main is a normal news groups. If you want your posts to show up on IBM-MAIN then you need to send them to IBM-MAIN, *not* to bit.listserv.ibm-main. If your posts through google groups are not showing up on bit.listserv.ibm-main then that's something only google can help you with. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
google groups
I don't have access to IBM-main from work (we've tried many times to get this resolved with no success). I've tried posting via google groups but the posts don't show up (except on google groups). Any ideas (other than getting my works email fixed)? -- /* //* Bruce Schaefer //* mailto:bruce.s...@gmail.com // -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: google groups
Bruce Schaefer bruce.s...@gmail.com wrote in message news:4bbc7573.5040...@gmail.com... I don't have access to IBM-main from work (we've tried many times to get this resolved with no success). I've tried posting via google groups but the posts don't show up (except on google groups). Any ideas (other than getting my works email fixed)? -- /* //* Bruce Schaefer //* mailto:bruce.s...@gmail.com // The List is echoed to the newsgroups, not visa versa. However, this is no problem. I have made an account on the List, read the posts via the newsgroups, but send posts via email to the List server (IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu). Kees. For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: google groups
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Schaefer Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: google groups I don't have access to IBM-main from work (we've tried many times to get this resolved with no success). I've tried posting via google groups but the posts don't show up (except on google groups). Any ideas (other than getting my works email fixed)? -- /* //* Bruce Schaefer //* mailto:bruce.s...@gmail.com Have you tried posting via the Web site? http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
[Fwd: google groups]
Thanks John! That is a great idea. Have you tried posting via the Web site? -- /* //* Bruce Schaefer //* mailto:bruce.s...@gmail.com // -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups
In 97df.56802524.38973...@aol.com, on 01/31/2010 at 02:13 PM, Ed Finnell efinnel...@aol.com said: Seems like there ought to be a UUNET utility that would SYNC the feeds and the posts and ding group owners for being down level, There are no group owners. Usenet is a distributed network implemented by autonomous peers; the admin of each news server runs it in accordance with his local policy. See RFC 3977 and 5537. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: There are no group owners. Usenet is a distributed network implemented by autonomous peers; the admin of each news server runs it in accordance with his local policy. See RFC 3977 and 5537. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#31 Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups as mentioned in this post ... there seems to have been several usenet problems about the time of reports of wierd SSL attacks: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010c.html#47 Extracting STDOUT data from USS Besides missing posts on usenet ... during the period, I was also getting sporadic wierd characteristic attempting to (SSL) connect to my usenet server (time-outs, connection drops, long outages when couldn't connect, reading email connected fine ... but unable to post, things appearing to post ... and then not showing up, etc). Usenet started out based on UUCP protocol. these were a lot of sporadically dialup connections ... which would transfer accumulated email and other stuff ... like usenet news ... some refs: http://www.uucp.org/history/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUCP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_UsenetOverviewHistoryandStandards-3.htm while the internal network ... some past posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet was larger than the arpanet/internet from just about the beginning until possibly late '85 or early '86. One of the major contributors to internet exceeding size of internal network at that time ... was appearance of workstations PCs as network nodes ... while on the internal network ... these machines were restricted to terminal emulation ... misc. past posts mentioning terminal emulation http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#emulation a listing of approx. nodes sometime 1985 (aka VNET was internal network) BITNET435 ARPAnet 1155 CSnet 104 (excluding ARPAnet overlap) VNET 1650 EasyNet 4200 UUCP 6000 USENET 1150 (excluding UUCP nodes) ... snip ... I had gotten blamed for computer conferencing on the internal network in the late 70s and early 80s. There was then an official facility deployed on the internal network called TOOLSRUN ... that could operate either in USENET mode or mailing list mode. Later, there was something similar deployed on BITNET supporting just mailing list mode ... historical reference: http://www.lsoft.com/products/listserv-history.asp BITNET used somewhat similar technology as was used on the internal network (and ibm-main mailing list originated on BITNET) ... misc. past posts mentioning BITNET (and/or EARN ... bitnet outside US) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#bitnet USENET also was distributed over other media. For a time there was special modem that received USENET over unused part of broadcast TV signal. There was also service that broadcast USENET over satellite. In 1993, I did device driver for a number of platforms (dos/windows, a couple different unixes) for such a service ... along with article in boardwatch (BBS industry mag) ... and got free dish/modem/service ... old posts (with picture of me in backyard with R/O satellite dish): http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001h.html#66 UUCP email http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005l.html#20 Newsgroups (Was Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009j.html#19 Another one bites the dust http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009l.html#21 Disksize history question during the 90s, majority of USENET moved off of other distribution media to tcp/ip and the internet. from my rfc index: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/rfcietff.htm click on Term (term-RFC#) in the RFCs listed by section, then click on NNTP in the Acronym fastpath section: network news transfer protocol (NNTP ) 4644 4643 4642 3977 2980 977 then there is: 1036 - Standard for interchange of USENET messages, Adams R., Horton M., 1987/12/01 (19pp) (.txt=45825) (Obsoleted by 5536) (Obsoletes 850) (Ref'ed By 1468, 1554, 1580, 1630, 1700, 1738, 1842, 1922, 1945, 2068, 2076, 2110, 2557, 2616, 2924, 2980, 3864, 3977, 4707, 5064, 5536, 5537) ... also, some number of the BITNET mailing lists created distribution gateway to USENET (usually just one direction, i.e. outbound traffic only) ... distributed email simulating USENET post in the usenet bit.listserv hiearchy. GOOGLE supports two-way gateway between USENET and google groups ... aka (old bitnet) mailing list gatewayed to USENET bit.listserv hierarchy then gatewayed to google groups. As mentioned ... during the wierd SSL attack period ... I was seeing strange operation connecting to USENET server ... so I suspect that the various gateways also were seeing strange behavior. misc. past posts mentioning TOOLSRUN http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001c.html#5 what makes a cpu fast http://www.garlic.com/~lynn
Re: Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups
In blu137-w226dc0c084578fb0fd248fa3...@phx.gbl, on 01/28/2010 at 02:46 PM, J R jayare...@hotmail.com said: I'm perplexed. I use google groups to monitor ibm-main, Google's software for news groups has been degrading for a long time. You'll find that bit.listserv.ibm-main is not the only news group for which there are issues. Which doesn't guaranty that that's the problem this time. Any idea why? Google is broken again? Problems in the gayeway to Usenet? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups
In a message dated 1/31/2010 9:47:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net writes: Google is broken again? Problems in the gayeway to Usenet? Seems like there ought to be a UUNET utility that would SYNC the feeds and the posts and ding group owners for being down level, but then somebody would have to manage it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups
For years already I read the group via a newsreader and newsserver and also do posting via mail. I have always noticed that some posts do not reach the newsgroup. I notified Darren when he still was in charge of the group, but he replied that everything was echoed to the newsgroup and it were problably newsgroup problems that made me miss some posts. I learned to live with it. If anybody can find out how to echo 100% of the posts to the newsgroup, I would appreciate it too. Kees. J R jayare...@hotmail.com wrote in message news:blu137-w226dc0c084578fb0fd248fa3...@phx.gbl... Ron, I'm perplexed. I use google groups to monitor ibm-main, using the email interface only when posting. In general, this works well for me. However, just recently, posts from your good self are not showing up unless someone quotes them. Any idea why? Enquiring minds want to know. Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:51:41 -0800 From: ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: SMS Compression - Software or Hardware To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu David, SMS uses hardware compression. It has an asymmetric CPU cost, where decompressing the data uses 80% less CPU than compressing it. Ron _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups
Arthur T. ibmm...@intergate.com wrote in message news:6.2.1.2.2.20100128151115.06ece...@127.0.0.1... On 28 Jan 2010 11:46:49 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:blu137-w226dc0c084578fb0fd248fa3...@phx.gbl) jayare...@hotmail.com (J R) wrote: Ron, I'm perplexed. I use google groups to monitor ibm-main, using the email interface only when posting. In general, this works well for me. However, just recently, posts from your good self are not showing up unless someone quotes them. Any idea why? The problem is not with Google Groups. It appears that some posts are not making it to Usenet. What's odd is that recently this happened in at least one other newsgroup (comp.risks). Some posts are not making it through the mirrors to Usenet. I doubt that there is anything odd in Ron's post; he's a victim, too. -- For years already I read the group via a newsreader and newsserver and also do posting via mail. I have always noticed that some posts do not reach the newsgroup. I notified Darren when he still was in charge of the group, but he replied that everything was echoed to the newsgroup and it were problably newsgroup problems that made me miss some posts. I learned to live with it. If anybody can find out how to echo 100% of the posts to the newsgroup, I would appreciate it too. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups
Ron, I'm perplexed. I use google groups to monitor ibm-main, using the email interface only when posting. In general, this works well for me. However, just recently, posts from your good self are not showing up unless someone quotes them. Any idea why? Enquiring minds want to know. Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:51:41 -0800 From: ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: SMS Compression - Software or Hardware To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu David, SMS uses hardware compression. It has an asymmetric CPU cost, where decompressing the data uses 80% less CPU than compressing it. Ron _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups
On 28 Jan 2010 11:46:49 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:blu137-w226dc0c084578fb0fd248fa3...@phx.gbl) jayare...@hotmail.com (J R) wrote: Ron, I'm perplexed. I use google groups to monitor ibm-main, using the email interface only when posting. In general, this works well for me. However, just recently, posts from your good self are not showing up unless someone quotes them. Any idea why? The problem is not with Google Groups. It appears that some posts are not making it to Usenet. What's odd is that recently this happened in at least one other newsgroup (comp.risks). Some posts are not making it through the mirrors to Usenet. I doubt that there is anything odd in Ron's post; he's a victim, too. -- I cannot receive mail at the address this was sent from. To reply directly, send to ar23hur at pobox dot com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups
ibmm...@intergate.com (Arthur T.) writes: The problem is not with Google Groups. It appears that some posts are not making it to Usenet. What's odd is that recently this happened in at least one other newsgroup (comp.risks). Some posts are not making it through the mirrors to Usenet. I doubt that there is anything odd in Ron's post; he's a victim, too. initially I first thot it was the usenet service I was using ... i.e. after I double posted: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#99 The Naked Mainframe (Forbes Security Article) then followup http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010b.html#100 The Naked Mainframe (Forbes Security Article) when I checked found the posts were showing up in ibm-main archive http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- 42yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups
No idea. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of J R Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: [IBM-MAIN] Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups Ron, I'm perplexed. I use google groups to monitor ibm-main, using the email interface only when posting. In general, this works well for me. However, just recently, posts from your good self are not showing up unless someone quotes them. Any idea why? Enquiring minds want to know. Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:51:41 -0800 From: ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: SMS Compression - Software or Hardware To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu David, SMS uses hardware compression. It has an asymmetric CPU cost, where decompressing the data uses 80% less CPU than compressing it. Ron _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups
While on the subject of google groups for ibm-main, posts from Lynn Wheeler seem to show up in duplicate. Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:45:03 -0500 From: l...@garlic.com Subject: Re: Posts missing from ibm-main on google groups To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Google groups and IBM-MAIN
- Original Message From: Jon Brock jbr...@ghs.org has anyone else begun having problems with searching IBM-MAIN posts in Google Groups? I always used it because: a) It kept some load off the archive servers; and b) It was faster anyway. These days, though, it seems as if it has forgotten all of the old posts. I had problem, too. About three months ago I searched something like 'FlashCopy vs. Concurrent Copy' using the Google Group, and found several posts. The same search three months later brought almost nothing. Ever since I search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html . Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer BELENUS LOB Informatic GmbH Munich - Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Google groups and IBM-MAIN
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 14:12:51 -0400, Jon Brock jbr...@ghs.org wrote: As long as I have temporarily left lurk mode, has anyone else begun having problems with searching IBM-MAIN posts in Google Groups? I always used it because: a) It kept some load off the archive servers; and b) It was faster anyway. These days, though, it seems as if it has forgotten all of the old posts. Jon A few months ago (maybe a little longer) I noticed that I wasn't getting hits like I did in the past. I get better results by searching for the specific group: group:bit.listserv.ibm-mainwhat_I_want_to_search -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Google groups and IBM-MAIN
As long as I have temporarily left lurk mode, has anyone else begun having problems with searching IBM-MAIN posts in Google Groups? I always used it because: a) It kept some load off the archive servers; and b) It was faster anyway. These days, though, it seems as if it has forgotten all of the old posts. Jon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Post not in Archive but in Google Groups
On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:38:23 -0600, howard.bra...@cusys.edu wrote: On 19 Jul 2009 09:27:30 -0700, ric...@panix.com (Rich Greenberg) wrote: 1) Subscribe to the mailing list. 2) Set yourself to NOMAIL on the listserv. 3) When responding to a usenet post, DON'T use Followup. Instead use Reply and make sure that the email address gets set to: To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu. I'm not familiar with Followup, but I did set my newsreader to have an IBM-main persona that replied to the e-mail address. One nice thing about this solution, is we don't send out messages of the nature of Howard Brazee is out of the office, please contact... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Post not in Archive but in Google Groups
Rich Thanks for your very clear explanation. but there is no reverse gateway. There used to be but it was taken down due to abuse. That will explain why am being sold fake Rolexes in the Google Groups digests - I use it for a number of lists - but not thankfully in the genuine archives. Your point 3 is handy. I'll try it the next time I come across one of these wayward posts - and add all three points as advice for the poster. Chris Mason On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:26:16 -0400, Rich Greenberg ric...@panix.com wrote: In article listserv%200907191100179096.0...@bama.ua.edu you write: I follow the list using Google Groups digest in order to be prompted to check topics and the archives for when I want to contribute. From time to time with a topic which appears in the Google Groups digest in which I may be interested I discover that a post has not managed to get into the archives while it is found - bright-eyed and bushy-tailed - in Goggle Groups. Has anyone an explanation for that and, if so, have they any standard advice I can pass on to the contributor who very possibly is not getting to the audience he or she thinks he or she should be reaching and possibly whose erudite contributions will not be getting into the archive that matters to say nothing of the contributor waiting for the gem that is going to solve his or her problem - possibly disguised as an issue? No, its not an issue, its just an artifact of how this list works. You may not realize it but there are TWO entities called IBM-MAIN. One is a mailing list hosted at the listserver at bama.ua.edu. The second is the usenet group named bit.listserv.ibm-main. The mailing list has a gateway to the usenet group but there is no reverse gateway. There used to be but it was taken down due to abuse. So if someone originates a post by sending it to the mailing list, it will appear there and ALSO on the usenet group. But if someone originates a post on usenet, it will not be sent to the mailing list. Google Groups is fed from usenet so it is complete. The mailing list archives are ONLY fed by the listserv so they will miss anything that was only posted on usenet. For folks who normally read usenet or Google Groups (which IS usenet although Goggle would like you to believe otherwise) here is what I do and what I suggest all usenet readers do also: 1) Subscribe to the mailing list. 2) Set yourself to NOMAIL on the listserv. 3) When responding to a usenet post, DON'T use Followup. Instead use Reply and make sure that the email address gets set to: To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu. That way your response will be seen on both the mailing list and on usenet, and will be in the IBM-MAIN archives at bama. -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red, Shasta Casey (RIP), Red Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Post not in Archive but in Google Groups
Ok, so are we saying that we should post in the BAMA listserv and not in the Google group? -- Bruce -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Post not in Archive but in Google Groups
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bruce McKnight Ok, so are we saying that we should post in the BAMA listserv and not in the Google group? Correct. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Post not in Archive but in Google Groups
Ok... Now, how do I get the listserv to show a preview of the like Google groups? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Post not in Archive but in Google Groups
On 19 Jul 2009 09:27:30 -0700, ric...@panix.com (Rich Greenberg) wrote: 1) Subscribe to the mailing list. 2) Set yourself to NOMAIL on the listserv. 3) When responding to a usenet post, DON'T use Followup. Instead use Reply and make sure that the email address gets set to: To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu. I'm not familiar with Followup, but I did set my newsreader to have an IBM-main persona that replied to the e-mail address. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Post not in Archive but in Google Groups
On 20 Jul 2009 04:55:51 -0700, mcknight-...@excite.com (Bruce McKnight) wrote: Ok... Now, how do I get the listserv to show a preview of the like Google groups? I'd find a newsreader you like that's powerful enough to let you tell it to reply to the e-mail address for this newsgroup. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Post not in Archive but in Google Groups
howard.bra...@cusys.edu wrote in message news:1rs865hfs4qtjr02gs26cechepb9v30...@4ax.com... On 20 Jul 2009 04:55:51 -0700, mcknight-...@excite.com (Bruce McKnight) wrote: Ok... Now, how do I get the listserv to show a preview of the like Google groups? I'd find a newsreader you like that's powerful enough to let you tell it to reply to the e-mail address for this newsgroup. I simply use Outlook Express and just have to take care not to reply to group', but ot reply to Sender. If the post comes from the listserver, its address will be automatically set, otherwise I have to type an I to just fill out the IBM-MAIN's address. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Post not in Archive but in Google Groups
I follow the list using Google Groups digest in order to be prompted to check topics and the archives for when I want to contribute. From time to time with a topic which appears in the Google Groups digest in which I may be interested I discover that a post has not managed to get into the archives while it is found - bright-eyed and bushy-tailed - in Goggle Groups. Has anyone an explanation for that and, if so, have they any standard advice I can pass on to the contributor who very possibly is not getting to the audience he or she thinks he or she should be reaching and possibly whose erudite contributions will not be getting into the archive that matters to say nothing of the contributor waiting for the gem that is going to solve his or her problem - possibly disguised as an issue? If you want an example - the straw that broke the camel's back which prompted this request - the last contribution in the tortured thread 3174-1 pack system from Bruce McKnight appears in Google Groups but does not appear in the IBM-MAIN archicves. Chris Mason -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Post not in Archive but in Google Groups
In article listserv%200907191100179096.0...@bama.ua.edu you write: I follow the list using Google Groups digest in order to be prompted to check topics and the archives for when I want to contribute. From time to time with a topic which appears in the Google Groups digest in which I may be interested I discover that a post has not managed to get into the archives while it is found - bright-eyed and bushy-tailed - in Goggle Groups. Has anyone an explanation for that and, if so, have they any standard advice I can pass on to the contributor who very possibly is not getting to the audience he or she thinks he or she should be reaching and possibly whose erudite contributions will not be getting into the archive that matters to say nothing of the contributor waiting for the gem that is going to solve his or her problem - possibly disguised as an issue? No, its not an issue, its just an artifact of how this list works. You may not realize it but there are TWO entities called IBM-MAIN. One is a mailing list hosted at the listserver at bama.ua.edu. The second is the usenet group named bit.listserv.ibm-main. The mailing list has a gateway to the usenet group but there is no reverse gateway. There used to be but it was taken down due to abuse. So if someone originates a post by sending it to the mailing list, it will appear there and ALSO on the usenet group. But if someone originates a post on usenet, it will not be sent to the mailing list. Google Groups is fed from usenet so it is complete. The mailing list archives are ONLY fed by the listserv so they will miss anything that was only posted on usenet. For folks who normally read usenet or Google Groups (which IS usenet although Goggle would like you to believe otherwise) here is what I do and what I suggest all usenet readers do also: 1) Subscribe to the mailing list. 2) Set yourself to NOMAIL on the listserv. 3) When responding to a usenet post, DON'T use Followup. Instead use Reply and make sure that the email address gets set to: To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu. That way your response will be seen on both the mailing list and on usenet, and will be in the IBM-MAIN archives at bama. -- Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red, Shasta Casey (RIP), Red Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
