Re: LPAR MOBILITY

2015-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 5540078572993283.wa.wwwdieuyahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on
05/28/2015
   at 07:31 AM, IBMZOS
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Sysplex do the job,

You can switch to a standby server, but you can't migrate an address
space to another LPAR or CEC. Not at all equivalent to what SSI does.
 
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Re: CA-7 question

2015-05-31 Thread Tony Thigpen
I was hoping someone was watching the list today that could help me get 
over the hump on this one.


I know there is some pattern, but it's just not clicking. Some jobs seem 
to jump in several hours early, while other jump in only 30 minutes 
before their time.


Tony Thigpen

Lizette Koehler wrote on 05/31/2015 04:06 PM:

I might recommend that, if you have not done so, join the CA Community for CA7. 
 Or open a case with CA.  You may get a much faster response.

Lizette



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I am trying to better understand why jobs show up in the REQ when the
show up.
For example, I have a job with the following:
ID=003   ROLL=D  INDEX=+000
SCAL=DOTM=1640  LEADTM=0010  SUBTM=1630  STARTM=1630
   WEEKLYDAY=SUN

And it already in the queue two hours early:
   LQ,SEQ=JOB
XXX REQ 0823 151/1630 151/1630 151/1640  ALL- 003 SSCN  001
SLIF-00 REQUEST COMPLETED AT 14:44:59 ON 15.151

Yet, other jobs don't seem to appear until almost the time they need to run. I
think it has to do with the SSCAN values, but nothing seems to be making
sense at this point:
SSCAN
  CURRENT SCHEDULE SCAN VALUES
  
  SPAN = 120 INCREMENT = 60
  QUEUE DWELL = 30  SKELETON RETRY = 0
  REPROMPT= 10
  LEAD TIME   = 0
  STATUS:   REQQ IS ACTIVE  ABR MSGS  = NO
RDYQ IS ACTIVE  HOLD JOBS = NO
  NEXT SCAN WAKE-UP = 15151 AT 1517
NEXT SCAN PERIOD START TIME = 15151 AT 1647

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Re: GENERATED STATEMENT!?

2015-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 2133628351749565.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
05/27/2015
   at 11:37 AM, Paul Gilmartin
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Where does 41 //SYSIN DD *   GENERATED STATEMENT
come from? 

It used to come from the R/I, but in MVS I'm not sure if it's C/I or
JES[2|3].

What does it mean? 

What it's always meant.

(I had no stray data cards.)

Are you a betting man?

 1. Reproduce the problem with a program that echoes SYSIN

 2. Post the input here

 3. Look at SYSIN form SDSF.
 
 4. Check whether C/I or JES
a. Handles SYSIN
b. Expands symbols.

The most likely explanation is that JES handles SYSIN before the
symbols are substituted. 
 
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Re: LPAR MOBILITY

2015-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 0912959236903597.wa.wwwdieuyahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on
05/28/2015
   at 04:22 AM, IBMZOS
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thought Z was at the top of technology.

Z is missing things that IBM developeds on S/360 and S/370. The
cobbler's son is barefoot.
 
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Re: Question on 3270 Devices

2015-05-31 Thread zMan
Right, but this wasn't IBM, and was color (3279). Clearly a 3290 competitor.

On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 10:57 PM, Linda linda.lst...@comcast.net wrote:

 We had several of these. IBM 3290. Ours were coax attached to a couple of
 IBM 3174 Controllers.  Black background, orange character set.

 Linda

 Sent from my iPhone

  On May 30, 2015, at 5:27 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  OK, this is sorta OT, but related: in the late 1990s I had the pleasure
 of
  working for a while at a customer site. Some of the time I used a
  coax-connected device with a large (for the time) screen that could
 either
  support four 3279 sessions at once, or one 3279 session that took the
 whole
  screen (you could switch modes; in single-session mode, you'd then cycle
  through the sessions). The single-session mode was great late at night
 when
  very tired.
 
  Anyone remember this device? It wasn't IBM.
 
  On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Pommier, Rex rpomm...@sfgmembers.com
  wrote:
 
  Probably the last time they sold one.  :-)
 
  Rex
 
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  revision date 12/26/2003 ???
 
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Re: OMVS command history

2015-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In
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on 05/25/2015
   at 10:55 AM, Ken MacKenzie ken.macken...@pramerica.ie said:

My question, then, is why is my command history kept if I can't use
it? 

Your question has an assumption contrary to fact. In fact, you *can*
use it. See the history command.
 
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Re: GENERATED STATEMENT!?

2015-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In
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on 05/27/2015
   at 04:54 PM, J O Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com said:

//SYMS2 DD  *IFSYM,SYMBOLS=(EXECSYS,LOGDD2)

There is no space between asterisk and ampersand. Could that be
right?

That depends on whether the JES expands the symbols or only the
Converter does.

If the first, it looks not only right but necessary. If the second,
BAD.
 
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Re: Notify for XMIT

2015-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 555fe63d.3010...@acm.org, on 05/22/2015
   at 09:30 PM, Joel Ewing jcew...@acm.org said:

But from APPENDIX A in TSO/E Customization, any command invoked 
directly from the TMP that returns a non-0 return code causes the 
TMP to end.

If true, then 10.2  Writing error routines in the CLIST manual is in
error, Has anybody tried

 ERROR +
DO
   WRITE SEND retu7rned cc LASTCC
   RETURN  
END
 SEND 'message' USER(FOO) NOW

where the SEND gets a nonzero RC?   
 
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Re: List of all on-line volumes

2015-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 55673d3b.2020...@vse2pdf.com, on 05/28/2015
   at 12:07 PM, Tony Thigpen t...@vse2pdf.com said:

Is there simple batch method to get a list of all on-line dasd
volumes  without actually coding the volumes in the JCL?

There are several tools available from batch TSO, assuming
authorization. Are you permitted to use CONSOLE? Also lots of CBTTAPE
teeols, e.g., PDG86.
 
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Re: SMPE MCS construction question re aliases

2015-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 0bf72eb9d750401a98a23caab0737...@exmbxprd01.ad.ufl.edu, on
05/28/2015
   at 07:57 PM, Nims,Alva John (Al) ajn...@ufl.edu said:

 The ++PROGRAM MCS describes a program element (a pre-built load
module or a program object). It must immediately precede the load
module or program object when they are within the SYSMOD.

That would be a good trick. I might believe a GIMZIP compressed
version.
 
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Re: Mysterious U4088-63 from RPTSTG(ON)

2015-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 0a0e01d0994a$e99c0410$bcd40c30$@mcn.org, on 05/28/2015
   at 06:33 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:

Well, I moved ISAUTH() unchanged to its own assembler module. No
change in the error. I removed the IEABRCX DEFINE and bingo! It
works.

My guess is that it doesn't recognize the eye catcher unless there's a
B in front of it. Personally, I consider IEABRCX DEFINE to be a
ticking time bomb and would only use it under duress.
 
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Re: New Line vs. Line Feed

2015-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 5567e81c.4040...@vse2pdf.com, on 05/29/2015
   at 12:16 AM, Tony Thigpen t...@vse2pdf.com said:

1960's ATT pushes for a replacement of ITA2 which the ATA published
as  ASCII in 1963.

I might believe ASA, through several iterations. I hate overloaded
code points!
 
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Check out Argecy: Thin Clients, Terminals, and Displays - Insync - IN 3483

2015-05-31 Thread Ed Finnell
_Argecy: Thin  Clients, Terminals, and Displays - Insync - IN 3483_ 
(http://www.argecy.com/index.php?pfile=IN3483)  
 
Maybe baby!

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Re: Where can a running TSO program get its terminal name

2015-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 03d701d09566$b22a3de0$167eb9a0$@mcn.org, on 05/23/2015
   at 07:42 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:

@Shmuel, MVS Assembler Services Guide says

In what context and section? Is the reference to the AMODE24 flag in
the load module or to the actual addressing mode?

The AMODE24 pseudo-op implies RMODEANY, but dynamically setting the
PSW to 24-bit mode does not.
 
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Re: AW: Re: OMVS command history

2015-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In ez-1136710568.1293527...@gmx.ch, on 05/25/2015
   at 09:27 PM, Peter Hunkeler p...@gmx.ch said:

but OMVS has no access to this file.

What about the history command?
 
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Re: Did I really need a CLIST???

2015-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 20150524072331.5312595.17320.38...@yahoo.ca, on 05/24/2015
   at 03:23 AM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca said:

Real programmers don't document code

ITYM real hackers don't document code.

Real men aren't afraid to do something just because some idiotic book
presents a stereotype as mandatory.
 
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Re: Where can a running TSO program get its terminal name

2015-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 03fa01d09573$5a824990$0f86dcb0$@mcn.org, on 05/23/2015
   at 09:13 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:

Sorry to belabor this thread but for the sake of future Googlers 
felt I needed to say that a global IEABRCX DEFINE is probably a 
necessary part of this solution.

Not if you use MF=. IEABRCX DEFINE might cause collatral damage, but
it's not my dog.
 
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Price of OSA Express card

2015-05-31 Thread R.S.

What is the price of OSA Express5S 1000BaseT (copper) ?
FC 0417 AFAIK.

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Re: Question on 3270 Devices (3290 Orange Screen!)

2015-05-31 Thread Tony's Outlook via Mozilla
I loved the 3290, it was the best ever device to design a nicely 
readable report when configured in Cinemascope.  Wish I could emulate it 
on my large monitor.


Always wishing to push a limit I once split my 3290 into 4 screens, each 
having a blinking Omegamon screen running.  I could hear the little gas 
gizmos complaining.


On 5/30/2015 9:57 PM, Linda wrote:

We had several of these. IBM 3290. Ours were coax attached to a couple of IBM 
3174 Controllers.  Black background, orange character set.

Linda

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On May 30, 2015, at 5:27 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote:

OK, this is sorta OT, but related: in the late 1990s I had the pleasure of
working for a while at a customer site. Some of the time I used a
coax-connected device with a large (for the time) screen that could either
support four 3279 sessions at once, or one 3279 session that took the whole
screen (you could switch modes; in single-session mode, you'd then cycle
through the sessions). The single-session mode was great late at night when
very tired.

Anyone remember this device? It wasn't IBM.

On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Pommier, Rex rpomm...@sfgmembers.com
wrote:


Probably the last time they sold one.  :-)

Rex

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revision date 12/26/2003 ???

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Re: Question on 3270 Devices

2015-05-31 Thread Linda
No, I had a 3279 SG3 on my desk.  It was also 4 session, but could have only 
one session in the foreground at a time.  The 3290 could display all four 
sessions on screen at the same time. There was a RPQ for the controller to 
support it. All were IBM branded. 

Linda

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 On May 31, 2015, at 10:54 AM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Right, but this wasn't IBM, and was color (3279). Clearly a 3290 competitor.
 
 On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 10:57 PM, Linda linda.lst...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 We had several of these. IBM 3290. Ours were coax attached to a couple of
 IBM 3174 Controllers.  Black background, orange character set.
 
 Linda
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 30, 2015, at 5:27 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 OK, this is sorta OT, but related: in the late 1990s I had the pleasure
 of
 working for a while at a customer site. Some of the time I used a
 coax-connected device with a large (for the time) screen that could
 either
 support four 3279 sessions at once, or one 3279 session that took the
 whole
 screen (you could switch modes; in single-session mode, you'd then cycle
 through the sessions). The single-session mode was great late at night
 when
 very tired.
 
 Anyone remember this device? It wasn't IBM.
 
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 wrote:
 
 Probably the last time they sold one.  :-)
 
 Rex
 
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Re: Question on 3270 Devices

2015-05-31 Thread Ed Finnell
Some just like to argue. ISPF has had SPLIT since the beginning and if it  
was on a 3290 device SPLITV.
Typically multiple sessions(VTAM) would be a mix of  
ISPF/CICS/OMEGAMON/BETA42 or RMF. 
 
 
In a message dated 5/31/2015 10:15:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
charl...@mcn.org writes:

One  could argue both ISPF and
the 3290 support split  screen.


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Re: CA-7 question

2015-05-31 Thread Rajesh Kumar
Hi Tony,

I could see span value is *SPAN = 120  and  INCREMENT = 60 from sscan* ;
Span=120 is 2 hrs yearly,  (span value must be less than increment)


 SPAN=- CHANGES NUMBER OF HOURS SCHEDULE SCAN IS TO LOOK
FORWARD, DURING EACH WAKE-UP, FOR JOBS THAT MUST
BE ADDED TO THE QUEUES. VALUE MUST BE A NUMBER OF
HOURS FROM 1 TO 24. SPAN VALUE MUST NOT BE LESS
THAN THE INCR VALUE.


Hope now you understood yearly showing of job now

Regards,
Rajesh

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Tony Thigpen t...@vse2pdf.com wrote:

 I was hoping someone was watching the list today that could help me get
 over the hump on this one.

 I know there is some pattern, but it's just not clicking. Some jobs seem
 to jump in several hours early, while other jump in only 30 minutes before
 their time.

 Tony Thigpen


 Lizette Koehler wrote on 05/31/2015 04:06 PM:

 I might recommend that, if you have not done so, join the CA Community
 for CA7.  Or open a case with CA.  You may get a much faster response.

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 Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 12:53 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: CA-7 question

 I am trying to better understand why jobs show up in the REQ when the
 show up.
 For example, I have a job with the following:
 ID=003   ROLL=D  INDEX=+000
 SCAL=DOTM=1640  LEADTM=0010  SUBTM=1630  STARTM=1630
WEEKLYDAY=SUN

 And it already in the queue two hours early:
LQ,SEQ=JOB
 XXX REQ 0823 151/1630 151/1630 151/1640  ALL- 003 SSCN  001
 SLIF-00 REQUEST COMPLETED AT 14:44:59 ON 15.151

 Yet, other jobs don't seem to appear until almost the time they need to
 run. I
 think it has to do with the SSCAN values, but nothing seems to be making
 sense at this point:
 SSCAN
   CURRENT SCHEDULE SCAN VALUES
   
   SPAN = 120 INCREMENT = 60
   QUEUE DWELL = 30  SKELETON RETRY = 0
   REPROMPT= 10
   LEAD TIME   = 0
   STATUS:   REQQ IS ACTIVE  ABR MSGS  = NO
 RDYQ IS ACTIVE  HOLD JOBS = NO
   NEXT SCAN WAKE-UP = 15151 AT 1517
 NEXT SCAN PERIOD START TIME = 15151 AT 1647

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Re: Question on 3270 Devices

2015-05-31 Thread Charles Mills
It's really TSO that does not, no? If I could just sign onto TSO multiple
times then my desktop with its two 24 monitors would give me all the
multiple sessions I could use.

And I suppose one could argue semantics here. One could argue both ISPF and
the 3290 support split screen.

Charles
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Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 8:06 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Question on 3270 Devices

On 2015-05-30, at 18:36, J O Skip Robinson wrote:

 Sounds a lot like 3290, which was very much an IBM device. Had a large gas
panel display with orange on black. (Netflix anyone?) Configurable in
various ways as you describe. 
 .
An example of how IBM hardware design outpaces its software design.
A couple decades after an IBM terminal supported multiple sessions, ISPF
doesn't support a user's having multiple sessions.

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CA-7 question

2015-05-31 Thread Tony Thigpen
I am trying to better understand why jobs show up in the REQ when the 
show up.

For example, I have a job with the following:
ID=003   ROLL=D  INDEX=+000
SCAL=DOTM=1640  LEADTM=0010  SUBTM=1630  STARTM=1630
 WEEKLYDAY=SUN

And it already in the queue two hours early:
 LQ,SEQ=JOB
XXX REQ 0823 151/1630 151/1630 151/1640  ALL- 003 SSCN  001
SLIF-00 REQUEST COMPLETED AT 14:44:59 ON 15.151

Yet, other jobs don't seem to appear until almost the time they need to 
run. I think it has to do with the SSCAN values, but nothing seems to be 
making sense at this point:

SSCAN
CURRENT SCHEDULE SCAN VALUES

SPAN = 120 INCREMENT = 60
QUEUE DWELL = 30  SKELETON RETRY = 0
REPROMPT= 10
LEAD TIME   = 0
STATUS:   REQQ IS ACTIVE  ABR MSGS  = NO
  RDYQ IS ACTIVE  HOLD JOBS = NO
NEXT SCAN WAKE-UP = 15151 AT 1517
  NEXT SCAN PERIOD START TIME = 15151 AT 1647

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Re: New Line vs. Line Feed

2015-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 838271083.1045039.1432870193420.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com, on
05/29/2015
   at 03:29 AM, Ze'ev Atlas
004b34e7c98a-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu said:

Does anybody know why do we need two characters that seem to do the
same thing

No, especially since they *don't* do the same thing. A better question
would be why Eunix hijacked the Line Feed instead us using CRLF.
 
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Re: New Line vs. Line Feed

2015-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 8215077812992901.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
05/29/2015
   at 12:27 AM, Paul Gilmartin
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu said:

Using a device-specific hardware command to separate records in a
general file makes as little sense as Assembler H's use of machine
carriage control.

Or as Eunix using LF as a record separator.

A device-neutral convention might have beem
Record Separator, ASCII 0x1e.

Please inform Ken Thomson.

IBM clearly violates a standard.

That's not at all clear. What do POSIX et all formally say about the
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Re: SMPE MCS construction question re aliases

2015-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 2008381733857340.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
05/28/2015
   at 04:10 PM, Paul Gilmartin
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu said:

If it's a real mainframe program, it's delivered in individual
++MOD elements and linked at customer's site with ++JCLIN.

Or individual ++SRC elements.
 
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Re: Notify for XMIT

2015-05-31 Thread Joel Ewing
On 05/31/2015 09:32 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
 In 555fe63d.3010...@acm.org, on 05/22/2015
at 09:30 PM, Joel Ewing jcew...@acm.org said:
 
 But from APPENDIX A in TSO/E Customization, any command invoked 
 directly from the TMP that returns a non-0 return code causes the 
 TMP to end.
 
 If true, then 10.2  Writing error routines in the CLIST manual is in
 error, Has anybody tried
 
  ERROR +
 DO
WRITE SEND retu7rned cc LASTCC
RETURN  
 END
  SEND 'message' USER(FOO) NOW
 
 where the SEND gets a nonzero RC?   
  
 
The above CLIST code should presumably work as you expect for
intercepting SEND CLIST errors in an Interactive TSO/E, ISPF
environment where TSO is invoked via a TSO logon PROC as IKJEFT01 and
not as IKJEFT1A or IKJEFT1B.  I think the usage of IKJEFT1A/IKJEFT1B is
only possible (certainly only reasonable) in batch TSO, and this was the
context for our discussion with IBM.  The TSO/E CLISTS manual appears to
be written from the standpoint of an Interactive TSO environment where
there is an associated terminal user, which admittedly is the more
common environment for CLIST usage and the environment that has the
fullest capability.

If you look at the referenced TSO/E/Customization Appendix A, you will
find that it explicitly deals with executing the TSO TMP in background
-- i.e. Batch TSO, not interactie TSO.  The rules for batch TSO are
peculiar to that environment -- as obviously you can't expect to do
things from a CLIST in batch TSO that require dynamic decisions by an
interactive user.

The CLIST manual is not in error, just perhaps incomplete in not
explicitly mentioning all limitations when running in a batch TSO
environment or under IKJEFT1A or IKJEFT1B  One could however rationalize
that Since this is not really a limitation of CLISTs but of a specific
TSO/E environment in which it runs, that it makes more sense for the
TSO/E Customization manual and TSO/E User's Manual to lay out this and
other Batch-TSO limitations (which they do) since they are the manuals
that describe how to run TSO in batch, and I suspect they are also the
only manuals that discuss how to use the IKJEFT1A and IKJEFT1B TSO/E
entry points.

I cannot recall years later the historical reason why we started using
IKJEFT1A/IKJEFT1B for Batch TSO rather than IKJEFT01, only that at the
time it seemed like the logical thing to do.  It didn't bite us until
years later when we migrated to TSO user log files for terminal messages
because of our usage of SEND under a ClIST under batch TSO under
IKJEFJ1A.  From our experience, I'm certain The CLIST ERROR handling
code in the above example would never be reached if the CLIST were
directly executed under IKJEFT1A in batch TSO.

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Re: CA-7 question

2015-05-31 Thread Lizette Koehler
I might recommend that, if you have not done so, join the CA Community for CA7. 
 Or open a case with CA.  You may get a much faster response.

Lizette


 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
 On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen
 Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 12:53 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: CA-7 question
 
 I am trying to better understand why jobs show up in the REQ when the
 show up.
 For example, I have a job with the following:
 ID=003   ROLL=D  INDEX=+000
 SCAL=DOTM=1640  LEADTM=0010  SUBTM=1630  STARTM=1630
   WEEKLYDAY=SUN
 
 And it already in the queue two hours early:
   LQ,SEQ=JOB
 XXX REQ 0823 151/1630 151/1630 151/1640  ALL- 003 SSCN  001
 SLIF-00 REQUEST COMPLETED AT 14:44:59 ON 15.151
 
 Yet, other jobs don't seem to appear until almost the time they need to run. I
 think it has to do with the SSCAN values, but nothing seems to be making
 sense at this point:
 SSCAN
  CURRENT SCHEDULE SCAN VALUES
  
  SPAN = 120 INCREMENT = 60
  QUEUE DWELL = 30  SKELETON RETRY = 0
  REPROMPT= 10
  LEAD TIME   = 0
  STATUS:   REQQ IS ACTIVE  ABR MSGS  = NO
RDYQ IS ACTIVE  HOLD JOBS = NO
  NEXT SCAN WAKE-UP = 15151 AT 1517
NEXT SCAN PERIOD START TIME = 15151 AT 1647
 
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Re: QUESTION ABOUT SPACE ABEND

2015-05-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In
ofa502b2ad.1606c58d-onc1257e54.00463b1c-c1257e54.0046a...@se.ibm.com,
on 05/29/2015
   at 02:51 PM, Steve Coalbran coal...@se.ibm.com said:

What happened to the X37 exit.

As I recall, it was added for the ASB Reader, which did not carry over
to AOS (OS/VS). The exit might still be there, but I doubt that it is
supported.

I thought it had been incorporated into JES2.

That would have been bizarre. Perhaps you're confusing the exit with
the ASB Reader, which is not needed if you are running ASP, HASP or
JES[123]
 
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Re: CA-7 question

2015-05-31 Thread Rajesh Kumar
if jobs are demand , you can see entry mode of job isDEMD .. not
REQ ; Also if job is demand to ca7 it will not waiting for time or date
 request , it will immediately start running.

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Lucas Rosalen rosalen.lu...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Are you sure the other jobs are being added by SSCN? Maybe they have/had
 been demanded?

 Lucas
 On May 31, 2015 11:19 PM, Rajesh Kumar herowith.z...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi Tony,
 
  I could see span value is *SPAN = 120  and  INCREMENT = 60 from sscan* ;
  Span=120 is 2 hrs yearly,  (span value must be less than increment)
 
 
   SPAN=- CHANGES NUMBER OF HOURS SCHEDULE SCAN IS TO LOOK
  FORWARD, DURING EACH WAKE-UP, FOR JOBS THAT MUST
  BE ADDED TO THE QUEUES. VALUE MUST BE A NUMBER OF
  HOURS FROM 1 TO 24. SPAN VALUE MUST NOT BE LESS
  THAN THE INCR VALUE.
 
 
  Hope now you understood yearly showing of job now
 
  Regards,
  Rajesh
 
  On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Tony Thigpen t...@vse2pdf.com wrote:
 
   I was hoping someone was watching the list today that could help me get
   over the hump on this one.
  
   I know there is some pattern, but it's just not clicking. Some jobs
 seem
   to jump in several hours early, while other jump in only 30 minutes
  before
   their time.
  
   Tony Thigpen
  
  
   Lizette Koehler wrote on 05/31/2015 04:06 PM:
  
   I might recommend that, if you have not done so, join the CA Community
   for CA7.  Or open a case with CA.  You may get a much faster response.
  
   Lizette
  
  
-Original Message-
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 ]
   On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen
   Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 12:53 PM
   To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
   Subject: CA-7 question
  
   I am trying to better understand why jobs show up in the REQ when the
   show up.
   For example, I have a job with the following:
   ID=003   ROLL=D  INDEX=+000
   SCAL=DOTM=1640  LEADTM=0010  SUBTM=1630  STARTM=1630
  WEEKLYDAY=SUN
  
   And it already in the queue two hours early:
  LQ,SEQ=JOB
   XXX REQ 0823 151/1630 151/1630 151/1640  ALL- 003 SSCN  001
   SLIF-00 REQUEST COMPLETED AT 14:44:59 ON 15.151
  
   Yet, other jobs don't seem to appear until almost the time they need
 to
   run. I
   think it has to do with the SSCAN values, but nothing seems to be
  making
   sense at this point:
   SSCAN
 CURRENT SCHEDULE SCAN VALUES
 
 SPAN = 120 INCREMENT = 60
 QUEUE DWELL = 30  SKELETON RETRY = 0
 REPROMPT= 10
 LEAD TIME   = 0
 STATUS:   REQQ IS ACTIVE  ABR MSGS  = NO
   RDYQ IS ACTIVE  HOLD JOBS = NO
 NEXT SCAN WAKE-UP = 15151 AT 1517
   NEXT SCAN PERIOD START TIME = 15151 AT 1647
  
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Re: List of all on-line volumes

2015-05-31 Thread Graham Harris
MXI is another option.

On 31 May 2015 at 14:19, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:

 In 55673d3b.2020...@vse2pdf.com, on 05/28/2015
at 12:07 PM, Tony Thigpen t...@vse2pdf.com said:

 Is there simple batch method to get a list of all on-line dasd
 volumes  without actually coding the volumes in the JCL?

 There are several tools available from batch TSO, assuming
 authorization. Are you permitted to use CONSOLE? Also lots of CBTTAPE
 teeols, e.g., PDG86.

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Re: CA-7 question

2015-05-31 Thread Lucas Rosalen
Are you sure the other jobs are being added by SSCN? Maybe they have/had
been demanded?

Lucas
On May 31, 2015 11:19 PM, Rajesh Kumar herowith.z...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Tony,

 I could see span value is *SPAN = 120  and  INCREMENT = 60 from sscan* ;
 Span=120 is 2 hrs yearly,  (span value must be less than increment)


  SPAN=- CHANGES NUMBER OF HOURS SCHEDULE SCAN IS TO LOOK
 FORWARD, DURING EACH WAKE-UP, FOR JOBS THAT MUST
 BE ADDED TO THE QUEUES. VALUE MUST BE A NUMBER OF
 HOURS FROM 1 TO 24. SPAN VALUE MUST NOT BE LESS
 THAN THE INCR VALUE.


 Hope now you understood yearly showing of job now

 Regards,
 Rajesh

 On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Tony Thigpen t...@vse2pdf.com wrote:

  I was hoping someone was watching the list today that could help me get
  over the hump on this one.
 
  I know there is some pattern, but it's just not clicking. Some jobs seem
  to jump in several hours early, while other jump in only 30 minutes
 before
  their time.
 
  Tony Thigpen
 
 
  Lizette Koehler wrote on 05/31/2015 04:06 PM:
 
  I might recommend that, if you have not done so, join the CA Community
  for CA7.  Or open a case with CA.  You may get a much faster response.
 
  Lizette
 
 
   -Original Message-
  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
  On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen
  Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 12:53 PM
  To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
  Subject: CA-7 question
 
  I am trying to better understand why jobs show up in the REQ when the
  show up.
  For example, I have a job with the following:
  ID=003   ROLL=D  INDEX=+000
  SCAL=DOTM=1640  LEADTM=0010  SUBTM=1630  STARTM=1630
 WEEKLYDAY=SUN
 
  And it already in the queue two hours early:
 LQ,SEQ=JOB
  XXX REQ 0823 151/1630 151/1630 151/1640  ALL- 003 SSCN  001
  SLIF-00 REQUEST COMPLETED AT 14:44:59 ON 15.151
 
  Yet, other jobs don't seem to appear until almost the time they need to
  run. I
  think it has to do with the SSCAN values, but nothing seems to be
 making
  sense at this point:
  SSCAN
CURRENT SCHEDULE SCAN VALUES

SPAN = 120 INCREMENT = 60
QUEUE DWELL = 30  SKELETON RETRY = 0
REPROMPT= 10
LEAD TIME   = 0
STATUS:   REQQ IS ACTIVE  ABR MSGS  = NO
  RDYQ IS ACTIVE  HOLD JOBS = NO
NEXT SCAN WAKE-UP = 15151 AT 1517
  NEXT SCAN PERIOD START TIME = 15151 AT 1647
 
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Re: Question on 3270 Devices

2015-05-31 Thread Thomas Conley

On 5/31/2015 11:05 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

On 2015-05-30, at 18:36, J O Skip Robinson wrote:


Sounds a lot like 3290, which was very much an IBM device. Had a large gas 
panel display with orange on black. (Netflix anyone?) Configurable in various 
ways as you describe.
.

An example of how IBM hardware design outpaces its software design.
A couple decades after an IBM terminal supported multiple sessions,
ISPF doesn't support a user's having multiple sessions.

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Incorrect.  ISPF supports multiple user sessions as of z/OS V2R1. 
However, the only 'sploiter Luthy, is z/OSMF.


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AW: Re: AW: Re: OMVS command history

2015-05-31 Thread Peter Hunkeler
but OMVS has no access to this file.
What about the history command?



Well, as I wrote, the OMVS command processor has no access to the .sh_history 
file (because it has not been programmed that way). You can of course use the 
histroy shell command. But this is not related to what the OP asked about.


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Re: Question on 3270 Devices

2015-05-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On 2015-05-30, at 18:36, J O Skip Robinson wrote:

 Sounds a lot like 3290, which was very much an IBM device. Had a large gas 
 panel display with orange on black. (Netflix anyone?) Configurable in various 
 ways as you describe. 
 .
An example of how IBM hardware design outpaces its software design.
A couple decades after an IBM terminal supported multiple sessions,
ISPF doesn't support a user's having multiple sessions.

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Re: Where can a running TSO program get its terminal name

2015-05-31 Thread Charles Mills
The master of the out-of-context quote.

Charles

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Subject: Re: Where can a running TSO program get its terminal name

In 03fa01d09573$5a824990$0f86dcb0$@mcn.org, on 05/23/2015
   at 09:13 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:

Sorry to belabor this thread but for the sake of future Googlers felt I 
needed to say that a global IEABRCX DEFINE is probably a necessary part 
of this solution.

Not if you use MF=. IEABRCX DEFINE might cause collatral damage, but it's
not my dog.
 

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AW: Re: JES2 Exit 23

2015-05-31 Thread Peter Hunkeler
Long time ago (MVS/ESA 3.x in the late 80ies), I wrote JES2 and PSF exits 
to provide (part of) the accounting information as well as some other stuff to 
PSF. It was a combination of JES Exits 3 and 23, as well as PSF exits 1 and 2.
At that time, I did not want to take the burden to extend any JES2 control 
blokc held on the spool, and since it was sufficient, I used some user fields 
in the JCT so save acoounting information in JES2 exit 3.
Later, JES2 exit 23 aquired some storage (getmain) to store this data for PSF 
exits 1 and 2. PSF exit 2 (job end) was in charge of releasing the storage 
after use.

This is from a quick refresh of my memory. Note also that I have not verified 
if there is an easier way nowadays.

I'll send you some code snippets offlist.

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Peter Hunkeler


 Von: Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com An:   
IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Betreff: Re: JES2 Exit 23 Datum: 31.05.15 07:49


I have not found any definitive info on how to extract the Accounting 
information on a JOB producing output and getting it to the APSUX01/APSUX01P  
exit.

You might want to contact IBM directly via an SR for assistance.

What version of PSF are you running?  Are you using Assembler or C Language?
Have you looked at the IEFJESCT to see what is available in the JES2 
Communications Area?

Lizette


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 Subject: Re: JES2 Exit 23

 If you are not aware, there is also a JES2 List that might be helpful as well.
 IBMMAIN or JES2 will be good.

 To join JES2 - use this URL
 JES2  http://listserv.vt.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=jes2-l

 Have you looked at the JES2 EXITS manual?  SA22-7534-13   z/OS JES2
 Installation Exits

 Lizette



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  Subject: JES2 Exit 23
 
  Hallo,
  I?m for the first time involved with JES2 exits.  The issue is
  printing with PSF. I have to write accounting information from the Job
  Card on the Job Header Page. This will be done in PSF Header Exit
  APSUX01. The question is how to get the information there. I would
  like to pass the accounting field  by putting it in the  JSPA in JES2
  Exit 23  HASX23A. Can somebody give me a hint, how to get the Jobcard in
 HASX23A, or an other solution?
  Best regards
  Markus Haselbach
  Credit-Suisse AG


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Re: Question on 3270 Devices

2015-05-31 Thread Ed Finnell
We had a couple of these for operators. It was a box like the INFO windows  
that a large screen TV. Four DFT sessions. No micro code at controller. 
Don't  remember if it was DATA21 or Barr. 
 
 
In a message dated 5/30/2015 9:57:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
linda.lst...@comcast.net writes:

Anyone  remember this device? It wasn't  IBM

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