Re: WLM managed initiators

[Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM]

The basic principle of WLM managed Initiators is to achieve the Goals you have 
set. 
If WLM decides to have a certain number of jobs active at a time, then this 
will be enough to honor the Goals. If you think WLM does not do it right, 
change the Goals.
For WLM it does not matter where the job resides, running in an initiator or 
waiting in the input queue. If you force it to run an extra job, the set of 
jobs will probably not receive more resources and will therefor run slower than 
before.

Kees.

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Hi,
Is there a way to force WLM or JES2 to have a minimum number of jobs running in 
a WLM managed class?

We are running z/OS v2.1

Gadi



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Re: Outsourcing Stories Good or Bad!

[Robert Hahne]

>Hopefully Mainframe Companies should perform a strict due diligence>before 
>choosing the offshore partners. The interview should not only happen>to 
>Technicians but to the managers level
This is a nice thought which can do justice to the people working on both the 
sides  . ie , "outsourced" as well as "outsourcing" companies .  This way , the 
work goes only to deserving hands which of course improves the support quality .
 Again the amount of work getting outsourced would come down drastically if 
Mainframe companies start choosing offshore partners based on skill . 
Interviews should happen at manager level so the practice of illiterate guys 
managing technical teams would stop .  But then , how many companies are 
willing to do this ? 
Robert Hahne 


> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 15:22:37 -0500
> From: idfzos...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Outsourcing Stories Good or Bad!
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> 
> I would like to weight in here. Dealing with customers everyday,
> unfortunately business has changed, what I am saying is a lot of places it
> seems to me, don't have a lost of good technical folks. If a person is
> willing to learn and acknowledge the source I have no problem.
> 
> I have a problem when a person would like "us" do technical planning for
> example for free without a SOW ...maybe I contracted too long, but I don't
> like being used for free.
> 
> 
> Scott
> 
> On Sunday, February 28, 2016, Ed Gould  wrote:
> 
> > On Feb 28, 2016, at 12:41 AM, baby eklavya wrote:
> >
> > *"The saddest part was the manager was not even literate on zOS systems.
> >> All he knew was to save cost. So slowly most of the wannabe system
> >> programmer left. Now he wants a 2 year experienced guys to run equal to
> >> his
> >> peer."*
> >> This is exactly what i was trying to convey . At the end , they never save
> >> anything . Whatever money they think they had saved by replacing
> >> experienced staffs with freshers goes out again in the form of penalty ,
> >> missed SLA , change failures .
> >>
> >> Skill shortage is just one side of the story . When the work environment
> >> is
> >> controlled by such managers who only focus on saving cost , life becomes
> >> too difficult for beginners who want to learn and enhance their skills .
> >> They eventually lose their interest in the technology  .
> >>
> >> I remember a recent quote from Forbes.com -   "People don't leave the
> >> companies , they leave their managers"
> >>
> >> __SNIP__
> >
> > I had one of those at a company I worked for. He was officially a gas
> > meter maid that got promoted way over his position in life.
> > He would come to work everyday and sharpen pencils and stare at his wall.
> > He had no DP experience and wouldn't know how to logon to anything.
> > I sympathize for you but he can be gotten around. Now if his superior is
> > like him to you do have a problem.
> > I found it better to start looking.
> >
> > Ed
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Catalog Search Interface - DEVTYPE

[Ravi Gaur]

Hi I need to exclude the DISK datasets and hence was thinking to use the CSI 
with DEVTYPE to identify however doesn't seems to be reaching to the correct 
position can somebody give me a position idea for the DEVTYPE if I have below 
definition in the CSI REXX.

CSINUMEN = '0001'X   
CSIFLD1  = 'DEVTYP  '

WORKLEN = 4096   
DWORK = '1000'X || COPIES('00'X,WORKLEN-4)   

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Re: IBM-MAIN and what it is for

[Tom Marchant]

On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 09:55:07 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 23:00:21 -0500, ibmmain.10.ats...@xoxy.net wrote:
>
>>If you don't want anonymous
>>posts, don't show the enormous power anonymous posters have
>>to hijack threads.
>
>This from an anonymous poster who has only posted twice, and only in this 
>thread. 

Having posted the above, I would like to acknowledge that, as much as I 
sometimes 
find it irritating, there are those who have reasons not to post their name in 
a format 
such as this. I don't claim to understand those reasons.

There are some regular contributors to this list who use a pseudonym. Zman 
comes to 
mind. We have no idea who he is, but he seems to be knowledgeable and is 
willing to 
help. My intention in mentioning him is not to suggest that he should identify 
himself, but 
merely to use him as an example of someone who apparently has reason to remain 
anonymous.

As far as that goes, most of the readers of this list have no way to know 
whether "Tom 
Marchant" is my real name or a nym. I can assure you that it is my name, and 
there are 
a few here who know that.

I will ask this of those who have criticized folks for using  nym here. Would 
you rather 
have someone make up a name that sounds like it could be a real name, or use a 
nym 
that is clearly a nym?  IIRC, "Michael Butz" has admitted that it is not his 
real name.

I believe that the issue is not one of whether or not a contributor uses their 
real name, 
but whether they are willing to be contributing members of this community. Does 
the 
poster asking the question seem to have tried to find the answer for themself? 
Do they 
give sufficient information for someone to be able to help them or do they 
expect us to 
guess?

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Re: Outsourcing Stories Good or Bad!

[Scott Ford]

I would like to weight in here. Dealing with customers everyday,
unfortunately business has changed, what I am saying is a lot of places it
seems to me, don't have a lost of good technical folks. If a person is
willing to learn and acknowledge the source I have no problem.

I have a problem when a person would like "us" do technical planning for
example for free without a SOW ...maybe I contracted too long, but I don't
like being used for free.


Scott

On Sunday, February 28, 2016, Ed Gould  wrote:

> On Feb 28, 2016, at 12:41 AM, baby eklavya wrote:
>
> *"The saddest part was the manager was not even literate on zOS systems.
>> All he knew was to save cost. So slowly most of the wannabe system
>> programmer left. Now he wants a 2 year experienced guys to run equal to
>> his
>> peer."*
>> This is exactly what i was trying to convey . At the end , they never save
>> anything . Whatever money they think they had saved by replacing
>> experienced staffs with freshers goes out again in the form of penalty ,
>> missed SLA , change failures .
>>
>> Skill shortage is just one side of the story . When the work environment
>> is
>> controlled by such managers who only focus on saving cost , life becomes
>> too difficult for beginners who want to learn and enhance their skills .
>> They eventually lose their interest in the technology  .
>>
>> I remember a recent quote from Forbes.com -   "People don't leave the
>> companies , they leave their managers"
>>
>> __SNIP__
>
> I had one of those at a company I worked for. He was officially a gas
> meter maid that got promoted way over his position in life.
> He would come to work everyday and sharpen pencils and stare at his wall.
> He had no DP experience and wouldn't know how to logon to anything.
> I sympathize for you but he can be gotten around. Now if his superior is
> like him to you do have a problem.
> I found it better to start looking.
>
> Ed
>
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Apply PTF on DB2 10 (z/os 1.12)

[Walter Marguccio]

Mehrshad,
you can use the EXCLUDE parameter on the APPLY command if you don't wantto 
apply one or more PTFs. The syntax is easy: EXCLUDE(ptf1 ptf2 ptf3).Could you 
post the SMP/E statements you used for your last APPLY run ? Walter Marguccio
z/OS Systems Programmer
BELENUS LOB Informatic GmbH
Munich - Germany

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Should original poster apply DB2 V10 was Re: Apply PTF on DB2 10 (z/os 1.12)

[Clark Morris]

On 28 Feb 2016 06:29:34 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main Lizette wrote:

>> First of all the DB2 sub system is not installed yet because I have
>> 1500 PTF for FMID HDBAA10 and before installing DB2 I decided to
>> apply all the PTFs. So in this way may I could use
>> BYPASS(ACTION,DB2BIND,DOC). (Please let me your Idea?)
>
>Here are some helpful links I found while searching www.ibm.com
>
>http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/tips0106.html?Open
>SMP/E HOLDERROR Processing
>
>
>http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247892.html?Open
>DB2 10 for z/OS Technical Overview
>
>http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/dsnigm0i.pdf
>DB2 10 Installation and Migration Guide

Given that DB2 V10 has already been withdrawn from marketing, would it
make better sense to abandon the effort to install V10 and work on
doing a clean install of V11?  What are the acceptable migration paths
to V11?

Clark Morris
>
>Lizette
>
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Re: Debugging APAR statement

[Ted MacNEIL]

I Googled IBM APAR closing codes and found a doc in the IBM Knowledge Centre.

You could have done this, too.

-teD
  Original Message  
From: Peter
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 09:31
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
Subject: Re: Debugging APAR statement

Hi Lizette

Thank you for pointing me to that link i was rather specifically looking
keywords inside a APAR member. Generally like a template and each keywords
written by IBM and it's explanation.
On Feb 28, 2016 7:31 PM, "Lizette Koehler"  wrote:

> A quick internet search brought up this link. See if it helps.
> I used
> IBM ++APAR for the search keywords
>
> http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21424131
>
> If you have more specific questions, please let us know.
>
>
> Lizette
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> > Behalf Of Peter
> > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 5:30 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Debugging APAR statement
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Apology in advance for asking a basic question.
> >
> > I am preparing a notes for my team members. Is there any URL or Manual
> where
> > it explains each keywords of an APAR ?
> >
> > Any pointers would be much appreciated.
> >
> > Peter
> >
>
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Re: Debugging APAR statement

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 18:00:08 +0530, Peter  wrote:
>
>I am preparing a notes for my team members. Is there any URL or Manual
>where it explains each keywords of an APAR ?
> 
SMP/E documentation is at:

http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.gim/gim.htm

What's your objective?  If you are a software provider, you should study
the syntax of the Modification Control Statements:
++FUNCTION
++APAR
++PTF
++USERMOD
and the various element MCS, all in the Reference manual.  You should have a
specialist to build your SYSMODS.  The PRE and SUP operands are the most
challenging: creating them should be mechanized if you expect to issus more
than a handful of PTFs.

If you are a software consumer, you should be more familiar with RECEIVE,
APPLY, and ACCEPT in the Commands manual.  See the "...APPLY..." thread
in this forum in the last few days for more suggestions.

Never BYPASS(ID) or BYPASS(PRE).

-- gil

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Re: IBM-MAIN and what it is for

[Tom Marchant]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2016 23:00:21 -0500, ibmmain.10.ats...@xoxy.net wrote:

>Hmm.  Four(*) follow-ups (plus this one), and only one
>(mine) in response to the OP.  If you don't want anonymous
>posts, don't show the enormous power anonymous posters have
>to hijack threads.

This from an anonymous poster who has only posted twice, and only in this 
thread. 
And of the six posts that I see on this thread on the listserv, only his are 
anonymous. 
"Only one ... in response to the OP." Do you mean by this that the other posts 
were 
in response to other posts, yet consistent with what the OP wrote?

So I wonder. Are you a newcomer here,or did you create yet another anonymous 
email just for these posts about anonymous posters?

>(*) If you see only three, it's because you're reading the
>listserv rather than the newsgroup.

This a listserv, not a newsgroup. That someone has created a newsgroup to copy 
messages from the listserv does not change that fact. From time to time someone 
sends out a reminder to that fact. Posts to the newsgroup are not part of this 
list, and 
I see no reason that I should seek them out.

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Re: Debugging APAR statement

[Roger Bolan]

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/mobile/#!/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.gim2000/mcsapr.htm

The IBM Knowledge Center is your friend.  The above link is from my mobile
phone.  You can find all the topics that mention your keyword and then work
your way up and down through the context of the books.
On Feb 28, 2016 7:31 AM, "Peter"  wrote:

> Hi Lizette
>
> Thank you for pointing me to that link i was rather specifically looking
> keywords inside a APAR member. Generally like a template and each keywords
> written by IBM and it's explanation.
> On Feb 28, 2016 7:31 PM, "Lizette Koehler" 
> wrote:
>
> > A quick internet search brought up this link.  See if it helps.
> > I used
> > IBM ++APAR for the search keywords
> >
> > http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21424131
> >
> > If you have more specific questions, please let us know.
> >
> >
> > Lizette
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Peter
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 5:30 AM
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Debugging APAR statement
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Apology in advance for asking a basic question.
> > >
> > > I am preparing a notes for my team members. Is there any URL or Manual
> > where
> > > it explains each keywords of an APAR ?
> > >
> > > Any pointers would be much appreciated.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> >
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Re: Debugging APAR statement

[Peter]

Hi Lizette

Thank you for pointing me to that link i was rather specifically looking
keywords inside a APAR member. Generally like a template and each keywords
written by IBM and it's explanation.
On Feb 28, 2016 7:31 PM, "Lizette Koehler"  wrote:

> A quick internet search brought up this link.  See if it helps.
> I used
> IBM ++APAR for the search keywords
>
> http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21424131
>
> If you have more specific questions, please let us know.
>
>
> Lizette
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> > Behalf Of Peter
> > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 5:30 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Debugging APAR statement
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Apology in advance for asking a basic question.
> >
> > I am preparing a notes for my team members. Is there any URL or Manual
> where
> > it explains each keywords of an APAR ?
> >
> > Any pointers would be much appreciated.
> >
> > Peter
> >
>
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Re: Debugging APAR statement

[Lizette Koehler]

Another thought, the apar and ptf are very similar, so the SMP/E manuals should 
be a good place to start

publibz.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/gimpkg80.pdf
Standard Packaging Rules for z/OS-Based Products

The SMP/E Reference and Users guides as well.

Lizette


> -Original Message-
> From: Lizette Koehler [mailto:stars...@mindspring.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 7:01 AM
> To: 'IBM Mainframe Discussion List' 
> Subject: RE: Debugging APAR statement
> 
> A quick internet search brought up this link.  See if it helps.
> I used
> IBM ++APAR for the search keywords
> 
> http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21424131
> 
> If you have more specific questions, please let us know.
> 
> 
> Lizette
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU]
> > On Behalf Of Peter
> > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 5:30 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Debugging APAR statement
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Apology in advance for asking a basic question.
> >
> > I am preparing a notes for my team members. Is there any URL or Manual
> > where it explains each keywords of an APAR ?
> >
> > Any pointers would be much appreciated.
> >
> > Peter
> >

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Re: Apply PTF on DB2 10 (z/os 1.12)

[Lizette Koehler]

> First of all the DB2 sub system is not installed yet because I have
> 1500 PTF for FMID HDBAA10 and before installing DB2 I decided to
> apply all the PTFs. So in this way may I could use
> BYPASS(ACTION,DB2BIND,DOC). (Please let me your Idea?)

Here are some helpful links I found while searching www.ibm.com

http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/tips0106.html?Open
SMP/E HOLDERROR Processing


http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247892.html?Open
DB2 10 for z/OS Technical Overview

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/dsnigm0i.pdf
DB2 10 Installation and Migration Guide

Lizette

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Re: Debugging APAR statement

[Lizette Koehler]

A quick internet search brought up this link.  See if it helps.
I used
IBM ++APAR for the search keywords

http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21424131

If you have more specific questions, please let us know.


Lizette


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Peter
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 5:30 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Debugging APAR statement
> 
> Hi
> 
> Apology in advance for asking a basic question.
> 
> I am preparing a notes for my team members. Is there any URL or Manual where
> it explains each keywords of an APAR ?
> 
> Any pointers would be much appreciated.
> 
> Peter
> 

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Debugging APAR statement

[Peter]

Hi

Apology in advance for asking a basic question.

I am preparing a notes for my team members. Is there any URL or Manual
where it explains each keywords of an APAR ?

Any pointers would be much appreciated.

Peter

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Re: Outsourcing Stories Good or Bad!

[Ed Gould]

On Feb 28, 2016, at 12:41 AM, baby eklavya wrote:

*"The saddest part was the manager was not even literate on zOS  
systems.

All he knew was to save cost. So slowly most of the wannabe system
programmer left. Now he wants a 2 year experienced guys to run  
equal to his

peer."*
This is exactly what i was trying to convey . At the end , they  
never save

anything . Whatever money they think they had saved by replacing
experienced staffs with freshers goes out again in the form of  
penalty ,

missed SLA , change failures .

Skill shortage is just one side of the story . When the work  
environment is
controlled by such managers who only focus on saving cost , life  
becomes
too difficult for beginners who want to learn and enhance their  
skills .

They eventually lose their interest in the technology  .

I remember a recent quote from Forbes.com -   "People don't leave the
companies , they leave their managers"


__SNIP__

I had one of those at a company I worked for. He was officially a gas  
meter maid that got promoted way over his position in life.
He would come to work everyday and sharpen pencils and stare at his  
wall. He had no DP experience and wouldn't know how to logon to  
anything.
I sympathize for you but he can be gotten around. Now if his superior  
is like him to you do have a problem.

I found it better to start looking.

Ed

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Re: WLM managed initiators

[Ed Jaffe]

On 2/28/2016 3:06 AM, גדי בן אבי wrote:

Hi Ted,
The only reference I found to Resource Classes is RACF related.
Could you point me to a manual?
Gadi


ITHM Resource Groups, but I don't think that will do what you want.

It's not uncommon to have several pre-started initiators to handle 
so-called "hot" batch. But, those are normally JES initiators.


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Re: WLM managed initiators

[גדי בן אבי]

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
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Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 1:18 PM
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Subject: Re: WLM managed initiators

Sorry resource GROUP.

-teD
  Original Message
From: גדי בן אבי
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 06:07
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Subject: Re: WLM managed initiators

Hi Ted,
The only reference I found to Resource Classes is RACF related. 
Could you point me to a manual?
Gadi

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Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 12:58 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: WLM managed initiators

Per system? Per PLEX‎?
Also, what happens if there aren't enough resources to support that minimum?

Have a look at Resource Classes. It may ‎answer your needs -- it's based on 
resources rather than jobs.

-teD
  Original Message
From: גדי בן אבי
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Subject: WLM managed initiators

Hi,
Is there a way to force WLM or JES2 to have a minimum number of jobs running in 
a WLM managed class?

We are running z/OS v2.1

Gadi



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שמה המודפס ובצירוף חותמת החברה. בהעדר מסמך כאמור (לרבות מסמך סרוק) המצורף 
להודעת דואר אלקטרוני זאת, אין לראות באמור בהודעה אלא משום טיוטה לדיון, ואין 
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Re: WLM managed initiators

[Ted MacNEIL]

Sorry resource GROUP.

-teD
  Original Message  
From: גדי בן אבי
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 06:07
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
Subject: Re: WLM managed initiators

Hi Ted,
The only reference I found to Resource Classes is RACF related. 
Could you point me to a manual?
Gadi

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Ted MacNEIL
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 12:58 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: WLM managed initiators

Per system? Per PLEX‎?
Also, what happens if there aren't enough resources to support that minimum?

Have a look at Resource Classes. It may ‎answer your needs -- it's based on 
resources rather than jobs.

-teD
  Original Message
From: גדי בן אבי
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 04:37
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
Subject: WLM managed initiators

Hi,
Is there a way to force WLM or JES2 to have a minimum number of jobs running in 
a WLM managed class?

We are running z/OS v2.1

Gadi



לשימת לבך, בהתאם לנהלי חברת מלם מערכות בע"מ ו/או כל חברת בת ו/או חברה קשורה שלה 
(להלן : "החברה") וזכויות החתימה בהן, כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, 
מחייבים מסמך נפרד וחתום על ידי מורשי החתימה של החברה, הנושא את לוגו החברה או 
שמה המודפס ובצירוף חותמת החברה. בהעדר מסמך כאמור (לרבות מסמך סרוק) המצורף 
להודעת דואר אלקטרוני זאת, אין לראות באמור בהודעה אלא משום טיוטה לדיון, ואין 
להסתמך עליה לביצוע פעולה עסקית או משפטית כלשהי.

Please note that in accordance with Malam and/or its subsidiaries (hereinafter 
: "Malam") regulations and signatory rights, no offer, agreement, concession or 
representation is binding on the Malam, unless accompanied by a duly signed 
separate document (or a scanned version thereof), affixed with the Malam seal.

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Re: WLM managed initiators

[גדי בן אבי]

Hi Ted,
The only reference I found to Resource Classes is RACF related. 
Could you point me to a manual?
Gadi

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Ted MacNEIL
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 12:58 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: WLM managed initiators

Per system? Per PLEX‎?
Also, what happens if there aren't enough resources to support that minimum?

Have a look at Resource Classes. It may ‎answer your needs -- it's based on 
resources rather than jobs.

-teD
  Original Message
From: גדי בן אבי
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 04:37
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
Subject: WLM managed initiators

Hi,
Is there a way to force WLM or JES2 to have a minimum number of jobs running in 
a WLM managed class?

We are running z/OS v2.1

Gadi



לשימת לבך, בהתאם לנהלי חברת מלם מערכות בע"מ ו/או כל חברת בת ו/או חברה קשורה שלה 
(להלן : "החברה") וזכויות החתימה בהן, כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, 
מחייבים מסמך נפרד וחתום על ידי מורשי החתימה של החברה, הנושא את לוגו החברה או 
שמה המודפס ובצירוף חותמת החברה. בהעדר מסמך כאמור (לרבות מסמך סרוק) המצורף 
להודעת דואר אלקטרוני זאת, אין לראות באמור בהודעה אלא משום טיוטה לדיון, ואין 
להסתמך עליה לביצוע פעולה עסקית או משפטית כלשהי.

Please note that in accordance with Malam and/or its subsidiaries (hereinafter 
: "Malam") regulations and signatory rights, no offer, agreement, concession or 
representation is binding on the Malam, unless accompanied by a duly signed 
separate document (or a scanned version thereof), affixed with the Malam seal.

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Re: WLM managed initiators

[Ted MacNEIL]

Per system? Per PLEX‎?
Also, what happens if there aren't enough resources to support that minimum?

Have a look at Resource Classes. It may ‎answer your needs -- it's based on 
resources rather than jobs.

-teD
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From: גדי בן אבי
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 04:37
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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Subject: WLM managed initiators

Hi,
Is there a way to force WLM or JES2 to have a minimum number of jobs running in 
a WLM managed class?

We are running z/OS v2.1

Gadi



לשימת לבך, בהתאם לנהלי חברת מלם מערכות בע"מ ו/או כל חברת בת ו/או חברה קשורה שלה 
(להלן : "החברה") וזכויות החתימה בהן, כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, 
מחייבים מסמך נפרד וחתום על ידי מורשי החתימה של החברה, הנושא את לוגו החברה או 
שמה המודפס ובצירוף חותמת החברה. בהעדר מסמך כאמור (לרבות מסמך סרוק) המצורף 
להודעת דואר אלקטרוני זאת, אין לראות באמור בהודעה אלא משום טיוטה לדיון, ואין 
להסתמך עליה לביצוע פעולה עסקית או משפטית כלשהי.

Please note that in accordance with Malam and/or its subsidiaries (hereinafter 
: "Malam") regulations and signatory rights, no offer, agreement, concession or 
representation is binding on the Malam, unless accompanied by a duly signed 
separate document (or a scanned version thereof), affixed with the Malam seal.

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WLM managed initiators

[גדי בן אבי]

Hi,
Is there a way to force WLM or JES2 to have a minimum number of jobs running in 
a WLM managed class?

We are running z/OS v2.1

Gadi



לשימת לבך, בהתאם לנהלי חברת מלם מערכות בע"מ ו/או כל חברת בת ו/או חברה קשורה שלה 
(להלן : "החברה") וזכויות החתימה בהן, כל הצעה, התחייבות או מצג מטעם החברה, 
מחייבים מסמך נפרד וחתום על ידי מורשי החתימה של החברה, הנושא את לוגו החברה או 
שמה המודפס ובצירוף חותמת החברה. בהעדר מסמך כאמור (לרבות מסמך סרוק) המצורף 
להודעת דואר אלקטרוני זאת, אין לראות באמור בהודעה אלא משום טיוטה לדיון, ואין 
להסתמך עליה לביצוע פעולה עסקית או משפטית כלשהי.

Please note that in accordance with Malam and/or its subsidiaries (hereinafter 
: "Malam") regulations and signatory rights, no offer, agreement, concession or 
representation is binding on the Malam, unless accompanied by a duly signed 
separate document (or a scanned version thereof), affixed with the Malam seal.

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Re: Outsourcing Stories Good or Bad!

[baby eklavya]

*"Hopefully Mainframe Companies should perform a strict due diligence
before choosing the offshore partners. The interview should not only happen
to Technicians but to the managers level as well to know how enthusiastic
are they to grow the legacy knowledge under them."*

very well said I too wish if there was like button indeed :)

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Jake Anderson 
wrote:

> Baby
>
> There Should be a like button.
>
> When it comes to offshoring the managers Just think a way to please the
> customer is by laying off the senior resource and want to compromise with
> the freshers.
>
> Hopefully Mainframe Companies should perform a strict due diligence before
> choosing the offshore partners. The interview should not only happen to
> Technicians but to the managers level as well to know how enthusiastic are
> they to grow the legacy knowledge under them.
> On Feb 28, 2016 12:11 PM, "baby eklavya"  wrote:
>
> > *"The saddest part was the manager was not even literate on zOS systems.
> > All he knew was to save cost. So slowly most of the wannabe system
> > programmer left. Now he wants a 2 year experienced guys to run equal to
> his
> > peer."*
> > This is exactly what i was trying to convey . At the end , they never
> save
> > anything . Whatever money they think they had saved by replacing
> > experienced staffs with freshers goes out again in the form of penalty ,
> > missed SLA , change failures .
> >
> > Skill shortage is just one side of the story . When the work environment
> is
> > controlled by such managers who only focus on saving cost , life becomes
> > too difficult for beginners who want to learn and enhance their skills .
> > They eventually lose their interest in the technology  .
> >
> > I remember a recent quote from Forbes.com -   "People don't leave the
> > companies , they leave their managers"
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jake Anderson <
> justmainfra...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Looking at this discussion I really wanted to share something over here
> > > which was shared by one of my colleague.
> > >
> > > One of an American ISV company off shored their work to India.
> > >
> > > The technicians in India wanted to get trained in many areas like zVM
> but
> > > the Indian manager was too hesitant and said there should be lot of
> > tickets
> > > or incidents so that he can get a training. The saddest part was the
> > > manager was not even literate on zOS systems. All he knew was to save
> > cost.
> > > So slowly most of the wannabe system programmer left. Now he wants a 2
> > year
> > > experienced guys to run equal to his peer.
> > >
> > > So this is one of a case where they are not interested to address the
> > skill
> > > shortages.
> > >
> > > Jake
> > > On Feb 27, 2016 5:26 PM, "baby eklavya" 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > As i stated earlier , i didn't intend to offend you . I don't have
> > > anything
> > > > personal against anyone in this list .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *"If you read what I said instead of sending out the first thing that
> > > came
> > > > to your mind, you would understand that I basically agree to
> everything
> > > > you've said here, and that I've literally conveyed the same points"*
> > > >
> > > > If that's the case , I am happy for that and i apologize if any of my
> > > > comments did offend you .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh <
> > > > vignesh.v.sankaranaraya...@marks-and-spencer.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > To the person hiding behind a misnomer,
> > > > >
> > > > > " And there would be hundreds of people like me in this list who
> > would
> > > > > agree to what I am saying ."
> > > > > If you read what I said instead of sending out the first thing that
> > > came
> > > > > to your mind, you would understand that I basically agree to
> > everything
> > > > > you've said here, and that I've literally conveyed the same points.
> > > > > Am I arrogant? Of course I am, everyone is in ways they want to be,
> > > but I
> > > > > don't believe I was with regards to this mail chain.
> > > > > Am I an amateur? Of course, I'm not arrogant enough to think I know
> > > > > everything.
> > > > >
> > > > > – Vignesh
> > > > > Mainframe Infrastructure
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:
> IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > ]
> > > On
> > > > > Behalf Of baby eklavya
> > > > > Sent: Friday, Feb 26, 2016 11:32 PM
> > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > > Subject: Re: Outsourcing Stories Good or Bad!
> > > > >
> > > > > Vignesh ,
> > > > >
> > > > > Please stop this arrogance...This is not a place to cry for the
> lack
> > of
> > > > > education / exposure you didn't get on the Mainframe . I am from
> > India
> > > > and
> > > > > i respect the technicians in IBM MAIN a lot . When i started my
> > career
> > >