Re: HCD Question

2016-07-25 Thread גדי בן אבי 
Thanks
That was what I was looking for
Gadi

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I cannot give a complete answer, but I would think that the first step is to 
convert the IOCP statements into a separate IODF:

+--- Migrate Configuration Data +
|   
 |
|   
 |
| Select one of the following tasks.   |
|   
|
| __  1.  Migrate IOCP/OS data  |
| 2.  *Migrate switch configuration data |
|   
   |
| * = requires TSA I/O Operations   |
|   
   |
|   
   |
|   
  |
+--+

The second step would be to merge the IODFs. For years we maintained two 
separate IODFs for our two data centers. Eventually they were combined (by 
someone else) into one. Worst case would be to manually define the smaller of 
the two into the larger one. I suspect that merging must be a largely manual 
process anyway because HCD (or HCM) would have no way to resolve conflicts.

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Hi,

I would like to merge IOCP statements into an existing IODF.

How do I do this?

Gadi

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Re: Upcoming Share Conference events in 2017

2016-07-25 Thread Edward Finnell 
Looks like LAX to BOS then shuttle to Providence is best West Coast  option.
 
https://shuttlewizard.com/providence-boston-logan-airport-shuttle-transporta
tion-car-service-taxi-limo-2902
 
 
In a message dated 7/25/2016 9:31:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
stars...@mindspring.com writes:

Enjoy an  enhanced travel experience in Business Class and you'll have 
access to  exclusive amenities such as complimentary non-alcoholic beverages, 
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Re: OT "The joy of data" BBC4

2016-07-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin 
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 19:13:10 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:

>Not disputing what you say, but just wondering why you conclude it is ripped 
>off rather than posted legitimately.
>
No basis; just sarcasm about DMCA.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html
From what I've heard, IEBGENER should be illegal because it doesn't
check for and enforce copyright notices.

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Boulder and Rochester Servers

2016-07-25 Thread Field, Alan 
Trying to download HOLDDATA. Same job I've used for years.

GIM69195S ** RECEIVE PROCESSING HAS FAILED. THE SERVER AT
 https://eccgw01.boulder.ibm.com/service/projects/ecc/ws/ DETECTED
 AN ERROR: 404 - Not Found.

Does IBM have a problem or did something change and I missed the notification?


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Re: Upcoming Share Conference events in 2017

2016-07-25 Thread Lizette Koehler 
Looking up AMTRACK website and just putting in a random date, there is an 80 
Business Premium seat


With spacious, comfortable seats, you can fold down your extra-large tray 
table, plug in to an at-seat power outlet and get to work. There's more legroom 
than Coach, so when you need to take a break, just recline, stretch out your 
legs and relax.

Business Class seats are in a separate car are located near the rear of the 
train to reduces the amount of foot traffic up and down the aisle. Don't forget 
— Amtrak Guest Rewards members earn a 25% point bonus for traveling in Business 
Class.

Enjoy an enhanced travel experience in Business Class and you'll have access to 
exclusive amenities such as complimentary non-alcoholic beverages, foot rests

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> Subject: Re: Upcoming Share Conference events in 2017
> 
> Even though it's not Friday, I need to know what $84 gets you that $15 does
> not. A cushy seat vs. hanging on the outside of the tender? Champagne vs.
> generic light beer? Gotta factor in all the variables.
> 
> .
> .
> .
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> Southern California Edison Company
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> Behalf Of Charles Mills
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 9:48 AM
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> 
> T is as little as 1:29 and $13.50.
> 
> Charles
> 
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> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 9:35 AM
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> 
> Amtrak is $15 to $84 dollars for a 90 minute ride.  51 miles 1 hour to drive.
> https://www.amtrak.com/home
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Re: Upcoming Share Conference events in 2017

2016-07-25 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson 
Even though it's not Friday, I need to know what $84 gets you that $15 does 
not. A cushy seat vs. hanging on the outside of the tender? Champagne vs. 
generic light beer? Gotta factor in all the variables.  

.
.
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Southern California Edison Company
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SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
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Of Charles Mills
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T is as little as 1:29 and $13.50.

Charles

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Amtrak is $15 to $84 dollars for a 90 minute ride.  51 miles 1 hour to drive.
https://www.amtrak.com/home


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Re: OT "The joy of data" BBC4

2016-07-25 Thread CM Poncelet 

Thanks for that. Cheers, Chris Poncelet (retired sysprog)

Paul Gilmartin wrote:


On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 01:09:02 +0100, CM Poncelet  wrote:

 


Interesting documentary on the collection and processing of data
throughout the ages:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07lk6tj/the-joy-of-data

This documentary is apparently not accessible from outside the UK. I
have recorded it on DVD (PAL format, not NTSC). Let me know offline if
you want a copy of it and - if so - to where I should send it.

   


It's been ripped off and posted on YouTube with some commercial popups.
Don't know how long until DMCA knocks it down.  Use your ethical judgment.
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjDLakFBzWM

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Re: OT "The joy of data" BBC4

2016-07-25 Thread Charles Mills 
Not disputing what you say, but just wondering why you conclude it is ripped 
off rather than posted legitimately.

Charles
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On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 01:09:02 +0100, CM Poncelet  wrote:

>Interesting documentary on the collection and processing of data 
>throughout the ages:
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07lk6tj/the-joy-of-data
>
>This documentary is apparently not accessible from outside the UK. I 
>have recorded it on DVD (PAL format, not NTSC). Let me know offline if 
>you want a copy of it and - if so - to where I should send it.
> 
It's been ripped off and posted on YouTube with some commercial popups.
Don't know how long until DMCA knocks it down.  Use your ethical judgment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjDLakFBzWM

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Re: OT "The joy of data" BBC4

2016-07-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin 
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 01:09:02 +0100, CM Poncelet  wrote:

>Interesting documentary on the collection and processing of data
>throughout the ages:
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07lk6tj/the-joy-of-data
>
>This documentary is apparently not accessible from outside the UK. I
>have recorded it on DVD (PAL format, not NTSC). Let me know offline if
>you want a copy of it and - if so - to where I should send it.
> 
It's been ripped off and posted on YouTube with some commercial popups.
Don't know how long until DMCA knocks it down.  Use your ethical judgment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjDLakFBzWM

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OT "The joy of data" BBC4

2016-07-25 Thread CM Poncelet 
Interesting documentary on the collection and processing of data 
throughout the ages: 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07lk6tj/the-joy-of-data


This documentary is apparently not accessible from outside the UK. I 
have recorded it on DVD (PAL format, not NTSC). Let me know offline if 
you want a copy of it and - if so - to where I should send it.


CP

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Re: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

2016-07-25 Thread Jim Mulder 
> The system we're experimenting with does not even use tape, so it 
> has default values of 3 minutes according to the doc. That's over 1,
> 500 devices at 3 min. each. If they're all failing to respond, which
> we don't know. The delay message refers to chpid rather than device. 

  MIH monitoring starts during Master Scheduler Initialization.
MIH is not active during NIP.

Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test, etc. IBM Corp. 
Poughkeepsie, NY



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Re: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

2016-07-25 Thread Steve Beaver 
Some years back, I added several LCU's for DASD and did not set the MIH.
The system immediately started screaming.
Manually add a MIH at 3 min and see what happens

Steve 

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Subject: Re: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

The system we're experimenting with does not even use tape, so it has
default values of 3 minutes according to the doc. That's over 1,500 devices
at 3 min. each. If they're all failing to respond, which we don't know. The
delay message refers to chpid rather than device. 

.
.
.
J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler 
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
323-715-0595 Mobile
626-302-7535 Office
robin...@sce.com


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Behalf Of Steve Beaver
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 3:52 PM
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Subject: (External):Re: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

What is your MIH timeout value?

Steve

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Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 5:40 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

Well, this is at once suddenly simpler and more complicated. First off,
PARMLIB content cannot matter because we're talking about early IPL. During
NIP OS doesn't even know where PARMLIB is located, let alone CONSOLxx
contents. 

It turns out that we've seen this problem before but did not recognize it
this time. After putting the console chpids back online, we got IPLed in the
usual way except for this message for each of three different chpids:

IOS125I CHPID xx IS EXPERIENCING MULTIPLE I/O TIMEOUTS CAUSING PROLONGED
INITIALIZATION.

Each of the three chpids connects a large number of Oracle/STK virtual tape
units. It appears that some or all of these devices are non-responsive
during IPL, causing MIH waits. So we configured the three tape chpids
offline and IPLed again. This time (with console chpids back offline) we got
NIP messages immediately on OpSysMsg screen. 

We're left with this puzzle. With console chpids online and tape chpids also
online, we still got NIP messages pretty quickly. But with console chpids
offline, delay was so bad we thought NIP messages were lost in outer space.

So we more or less understand the tape chpid problem. We do not understand
the difference in behavior with and without MCS consoles available. That is,
after putting tape chpids offline, NIP messages went immediately to HMC. 

We have opened a PMR with IBM.  

.
.
.
J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
323-715-0595 Mobile
626-302-7535 Office
robin...@sce.com

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Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:18 PM
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Subject: (External):Re: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

Have you got an entry for the HMC in your CONSOLxx member?

//
 /*  INTEGRATED 3270 CONSOLE ON HMC. Z/OS 2.1 AND LATER  */
 //
 /**/  
CONSOLE DEVNUM(HMCS)   /* DEVICE NUMBER   */   
AUTH(MASTER)   /* ALL COMMANDS CAN BE ENETERED*/   
USE(FC)/* FULL CAPABILITY */   
NAME() /* CONSOLE NAME   */   
ROUTCODE(1-10,12)  /* 14=IEFACTRT, 15=TDS999  */   
CON(N) /* NON-CONVERSATIONAL MODE */   
SEG(19)/* NUMBER OF LINES THAT CAN BE DEL */   
DEL(R) /* ROLL*/   
RNUM(39)   /* MAX LINES IN ONE MESSAGE ROLL   */   
RTME(1/4)  /* NUMBER SECONDS BETWEEN MSG ROLL */   
MFORM(J,T,S)   /* MESSAGE DISPLAY INCLUDES JOBNAME*/   
MSCOPE(*ALL)   /* *ALL = DISPLAY ALL MSGS */   
AREA(NONE) /* SIZE OF OUT OF LINE DISPLAY AREA*/   
PFKTAB(PFKMSTR)/* NAME OF PFK TABLE   */   

Alan Field
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Blue Cross Blue Shield of MN

651.662.3546


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Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 4:15 PM
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Subject: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

We've discussed on this List configuring no NIP console device and using HMC
instead. I'm testing that practice for the future by

Re: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

2016-07-25 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson 
The system we're experimenting with does not even use tape, so it has default 
values of 3 minutes according to the doc. That's over 1,500 devices at 3 min. 
each. If they're all failing to respond, which we don't know. The delay message 
refers to chpid rather than device. 

.
.
.
J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler 
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
323-715-0595 Mobile
626-302-7535 Office
robin...@sce.com


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Steve Beaver
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 3:52 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

What is your MIH timeout value?

Steve

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Jesse 1 Robinson
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 5:40 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

Well, this is at once suddenly simpler and more complicated. First off, PARMLIB 
content cannot matter because we're talking about early IPL. During NIP OS 
doesn't even know where PARMLIB is located, let alone CONSOLxx contents. 

It turns out that we've seen this problem before but did not recognize it this 
time. After putting the console chpids back online, we got IPLed in the usual 
way except for this message for each of three different chpids:

IOS125I CHPID xx IS EXPERIENCING MULTIPLE I/O TIMEOUTS CAUSING PROLONGED 
INITIALIZATION.

Each of the three chpids connects a large number of Oracle/STK virtual tape 
units. It appears that some or all of these devices are non-responsive during 
IPL, causing MIH waits. So we configured the three tape chpids offline and 
IPLed again. This time (with console chpids back offline) we got NIP messages 
immediately on OpSysMsg screen. 

We're left with this puzzle. With console chpids online and tape chpids also 
online, we still got NIP messages pretty quickly. But with console chpids 
offline, delay was so bad we thought NIP messages were lost in outer space.

So we more or less understand the tape chpid problem. We do not understand the 
difference in behavior with and without MCS consoles available. That is, after 
putting tape chpids offline, NIP messages went immediately to HMC. 

We have opened a PMR with IBM.  

.
.
.
J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
323-715-0595 Mobile
626-302-7535 Office
robin...@sce.com

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Field, Alan
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:18 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

Have you got an entry for the HMC in your CONSOLxx member?

//
 /*  INTEGRATED 3270 CONSOLE ON HMC. Z/OS 2.1 AND LATER  */
 //
 /**/  
CONSOLE DEVNUM(HMCS)   /* DEVICE NUMBER   */   
AUTH(MASTER)   /* ALL COMMANDS CAN BE ENETERED*/   
USE(FC)/* FULL CAPABILITY */   
NAME() /* CONSOLE NAME   */   
ROUTCODE(1-10,12)  /* 14=IEFACTRT, 15=TDS999  */   
CON(N) /* NON-CONVERSATIONAL MODE */   
SEG(19)/* NUMBER OF LINES THAT CAN BE DEL */   
DEL(R) /* ROLL*/   
RNUM(39)   /* MAX LINES IN ONE MESSAGE ROLL   */   
RTME(1/4)  /* NUMBER SECONDS BETWEEN MSG ROLL */   
MFORM(J,T,S)   /* MESSAGE DISPLAY INCLUDES JOBNAME*/   
MSCOPE(*ALL)   /* *ALL = DISPLAY ALL MSGS */   
AREA(NONE) /* SIZE OF OUT OF LINE DISPLAY AREA*/   
PFKTAB(PFKMSTR)/* NAME OF PFK TABLE   */   

Alan Field
Systems Engineer Principal
Blue Cross Blue Shield of MN

651.662.3546


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Jesse 1 Robinson
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 4:15 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

We've discussed on this List configuring no NIP console device and using HMC 
instead. I'm testing that practice for the future by configuring off the two 
chpids that support all MCS/NIP consoles for one LPAR. I have done that in the 
past when actual NIP device(s) would not work. NIP messages showed up on 
Operating System Messages and all was fine.

Now however we are getting no NIP messages at all. Three HMCs each with an 
integrated 3270 at z/OS 2.1. We expected NIP messages on either the 3270 or on 
traditional Op Sys

Re: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

2016-07-25 Thread Steve Beaver 
What is your MIH timeout value?

Steve

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 5:40 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

Well, this is at once suddenly simpler and more complicated. First off,
PARMLIB content cannot matter because we're talking about early IPL. During
NIP OS doesn't even know where PARMLIB is located, let alone CONSOLxx
contents. 

It turns out that we've seen this problem before but did not recognize it
this time. After putting the console chpids back online, we got IPLed in the
usual way except for this message for each of three different chpids:

IOS125I CHPID xx IS EXPERIENCING MULTIPLE I/O TIMEOUTS CAUSING PROLONGED
INITIALIZATION.

Each of the three chpids connects a large number of Oracle/STK virtual tape
units. It appears that some or all of these devices are non-responsive
during IPL, causing MIH waits. So we configured the three tape chpids
offline and IPLed again. This time (with console chpids back offline) we got
NIP messages immediately on OpSysMsg screen. 

We're left with this puzzle. With console chpids online and tape chpids also
online, we still got NIP messages pretty quickly. But with console chpids
offline, delay was so bad we thought NIP messages were lost in outer space.

So we more or less understand the tape chpid problem. We do not understand
the difference in behavior with and without MCS consoles available. That is,
after putting tape chpids offline, NIP messages went immediately to HMC. 

We have opened a PMR with IBM.  

.
.
.
J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
323-715-0595 Mobile
626-302-7535 Office
robin...@sce.com

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
Behalf Of Field, Alan
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:18 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

Have you got an entry for the HMC in your CONSOLxx member?

//
 /*  INTEGRATED 3270 CONSOLE ON HMC. Z/OS 2.1 AND LATER  */
 //
 /**/  
CONSOLE DEVNUM(HMCS)   /* DEVICE NUMBER   */   
AUTH(MASTER)   /* ALL COMMANDS CAN BE ENETERED*/   
USE(FC)/* FULL CAPABILITY */   
NAME() /* CONSOLE NAME   */   
ROUTCODE(1-10,12)  /* 14=IEFACTRT, 15=TDS999  */   
CON(N) /* NON-CONVERSATIONAL MODE */   
SEG(19)/* NUMBER OF LINES THAT CAN BE DEL */   
DEL(R) /* ROLL*/   
RNUM(39)   /* MAX LINES IN ONE MESSAGE ROLL   */   
RTME(1/4)  /* NUMBER SECONDS BETWEEN MSG ROLL */   
MFORM(J,T,S)   /* MESSAGE DISPLAY INCLUDES JOBNAME*/   
MSCOPE(*ALL)   /* *ALL = DISPLAY ALL MSGS */   
AREA(NONE) /* SIZE OF OUT OF LINE DISPLAY AREA*/   
PFKTAB(PFKMSTR)/* NAME OF PFK TABLE   */   

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Subject: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

We've discussed on this List configuring no NIP console device and using HMC
instead. I'm testing that practice for the future by configuring off the two
chpids that support all MCS/NIP consoles for one LPAR. I have done that in
the past when actual NIP device(s) would not work. NIP messages showed up on
Operating System Messages and all was fine.

Now however we are getting no NIP messages at all. Three HMCs each with an
integrated 3270 at z/OS 2.1. We expected NIP messages on either the 3270 or
on traditional Op Sys Msg. Nada. Has anyone with a NIPless configuration
reached 2.1? Any special considerations?

.
.
.
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Re: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

2016-07-25 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson 
Well, this is at once suddenly simpler and more complicated. First off, PARMLIB 
content cannot matter because we're talking about early IPL. During NIP OS 
doesn't even know where PARMLIB is located, let alone CONSOLxx contents. 

It turns out that we've seen this problem before but did not recognize it this 
time. After putting the console chpids back online, we got IPLed in the usual 
way except for this message for each of three different chpids:

IOS125I CHPID xx IS EXPERIENCING MULTIPLE I/O TIMEOUTS CAUSING PROLONGED 
INITIALIZATION.

Each of the three chpids connects a large number of Oracle/STK virtual tape 
units. It appears that some or all of these devices are non-responsive during 
IPL, causing MIH waits. So we configured the three tape chpids offline and 
IPLed again. This time (with console chpids back offline) we got NIP messages 
immediately on OpSysMsg screen. 

We're left with this puzzle. With console chpids online and tape chpids also 
online, we still got NIP messages pretty quickly. But with console chpids 
offline, delay was so bad we thought NIP messages were lost in outer space.

So we more or less understand the tape chpid problem. We do not understand the 
difference in behavior with and without MCS consoles available. That is, after 
putting tape chpids offline, NIP messages went immediately to HMC. 

We have opened a PMR with IBM.  

.
.
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Have you got an entry for the HMC in your CONSOLxx member?

//
 /*  INTEGRATED 3270 CONSOLE ON HMC. Z/OS 2.1 AND LATER  */
 //
 /**/  
CONSOLE DEVNUM(HMCS)   /* DEVICE NUMBER   */   
AUTH(MASTER)   /* ALL COMMANDS CAN BE ENETERED*/   
USE(FC)/* FULL CAPABILITY */   
NAME() /* CONSOLE NAME   */   
ROUTCODE(1-10,12)  /* 14=IEFACTRT, 15=TDS999  */   
CON(N) /* NON-CONVERSATIONAL MODE */   
SEG(19)/* NUMBER OF LINES THAT CAN BE DEL */   
DEL(R) /* ROLL*/   
RNUM(39)   /* MAX LINES IN ONE MESSAGE ROLL   */   
RTME(1/4)  /* NUMBER SECONDS BETWEEN MSG ROLL */   
MFORM(J,T,S)   /* MESSAGE DISPLAY INCLUDES JOBNAME*/   
MSCOPE(*ALL)   /* *ALL = DISPLAY ALL MSGS */   
AREA(NONE) /* SIZE OF OUT OF LINE DISPLAY AREA*/   
PFKTAB(PFKMSTR)/* NAME OF PFK TABLE   */   

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Subject: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

We've discussed on this List configuring no NIP console device and using HMC 
instead. I'm testing that practice for the future by configuring off the two 
chpids that support all MCS/NIP consoles for one LPAR. I have done that in the 
past when actual NIP device(s) would not work. NIP messages showed up on 
Operating System Messages and all was fine.

Now however we are getting no NIP messages at all. Three HMCs each with an 
integrated 3270 at z/OS 2.1. We expected NIP messages on either the 3270 or on 
traditional Op Sys Msg. Nada. Has anyone with a NIPless configuration reached 
2.1? Any special considerations?

.
.
.
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Southern California Edison Company
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SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
323-715-0595 Mobile
626-302-7535 Office
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Re: codepage restrictions on IBM applications

2016-07-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin 
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:46:30 -0500, Janet Graff wrote:
>
>Since WTO is restricted to CP-37 displayable EBCDIC characters this means that 
>the system console messages, and the job log messages are restricted to 
>readable EBCDIC characters.  That codepage does define accented and 
>non-English characters so this would mean that some of these products could 
>issue latin codepage messages that were non-English.
> 
It's worse than that.   One may safely use those characters that are called
in manuals Alphabetic, Numeric, or Special.  They're enumerated. all others
are considered Invalid.  Alphabetic does *not* include lower case.  The
motivation: there are some terminals that support those three classes then
dedicate other code points, particularly Latin lower case to Katakana, Cyrillic,
or ...

To accommodate this, our products which have mixed-case message templates
have a switch selecting whether message texts should be translated to upper
case for display.

>Can anyone confirm that they do that?  If configured properly, will 
>DB2/IMS/CICS issue non-English messages to the console or job logs?
>
>In the local output files (non-console or job log) for the products do they go 
>beyond CP-37?  Do they have output in non-latin codepages? Might they contain 
>DBCS?
> 
DFSORT is quite eclectic.  It allows specification independently of
code page and collating sequence, for example En_GB.UTF-8.  I
don't know whether it will infer the code page from the UNIX file
tag.  But the collating sequence for En_US seems badly broken.
I need to renew an old PMR concerning that.

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Re: Upcoming Share Conference events in 2017

2016-07-25 Thread Art Gutowski 
On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 20:58:20 -0400, Edward Finnell  wrote:

>Checking the Delta reservations from SFO to PVD there's no direct flight.
>The fastest is 7 1/2 hrs. It's a one stop in DTW(Detroit) and a plane change
> from 757 to Airbus A320 into Providence. Their booking only goes thru June
>2017  so it's an approximation at this time. Haven't checked American.

With any luck, I'll be at the stopover with my thumb out, so to speak.  I 
briefly considered driving (or riding), but it might be just a bit too far for 
a day's ride.  When Delta bought out Northwest, they got their own terminal, 
and DTW became a Delta hub (hint, hint :).

Regards,
Art Gutowski
General Motors, LLC
Warren, Michigan

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codepage restrictions on IBM applications

2016-07-25 Thread Janet Graff 
I understand that IBM left it up to the product owners to decide what NLS 
support meant to their products.

Can anyone give me information on how codepages are supported by some of the 
more popular products ( like DB2, IMS, CICS)?

Since WTO is restricted to CP-37 displayable EBCDIC characters this means that 
the system console messages, and the job log messages are restricted to 
readable EBCDIC characters.  That codepage does define accented and non-English 
characters so this would mean that some of these products could issue latin 
codepage messages that were non-English.

Can anyone confirm that they do that?  If configured properly, will 
DB2/IMS/CICS issue non-English messages to the console or job logs?

In the local output files (non-console or job log) for the products do they go 
beyond CP-37?  Do they have output in non-latin codepages? Might they contain 
DBCS?

Janet

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Re: SMP/E packaging question

2016-07-25 Thread Longabaugh, Robert E 
What is the format of your JCLIN?  Binder or IEBCOPY?  The answer to that will 
determine the need for a relfile to contain the module you have to provide to 
get the new JCLIN to take effect.   

FILES(n) on the ++PTF statement means how many external files that SMP/E will 
need.  For PTFs, this should be zero.  JCLIN can be inline in the sysmod.  It 
does not have to be in a relfile. If the JCLIN is inline, then you code 
"++JCLIN" instead of "++JCLIN RELFILE(n)". If you have no relfiles, then there 
is no FILES(n) on the ++PTF.


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On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 18:38:37 +, Way, Richard wrote:

>Or am I misunderstanding it even more basically, and my example will work, but 
>with FILES(1)? In other words, does the file count specifically exclude the 
>JCLIN? Or does it only exclude the JCLIN when the JCLIN is inline as opposed 
>to coming from a RELFILE?
>
Files() counts all the RELFILEs including JCLIN.  If you code FILES(0) it 
causes a syntax error -- you must entirely omit FILES().  (Grrr... Why?
It's a PITA when generating MCS with a program.)

If your PTF contains only JCLIN, APPLY will receive RC4, and as mentioned 
earlier, no modules will be relinked.  (Grrr PITA; worth RFE someday.)

Why deliver a PTF in RELFILE format rather than inline?  It proliferates TLIBs 
and inflates the catalog.

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Re: codepage restrictions on the system console

2016-07-25 Thread Janet Graff 
John,

Thanks, I looked up WTO and for the TEXT parameter it says "only standard 
printable EBCDIC characters are passed to MCS-managed display devices. "

Not quite at the codepage level but good enough for me.

Janet

>On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Janet Graff <
>004dc9e91b6d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

>> I have a theory question rather than a how-to-implement question.
>>
>> Does anyone know what the codepage restrictions are on the system console?
>> Can you have a French console and have messages containing letters with
>> french accents?
>> What about non-latin codepages?  Can you have a Kanji, Katakana or Urdu
>> system console with those non-latin characters?
>> How about DBCS?  Can you have Kanji DBCS system messages on the console
>> and have them readable?
>>

​>You talking z/OS? As I recall, the WTO interface in z/OS only allows
>"printable" CP-037 characters. ​



>>
>>
>> Thanks!
> Janet
>>

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Re: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

2016-07-25 Thread Field, Alan 
Have you got an entry for the HMC in your CONSOLxx member?

//
 /*  INTEGRATED 3270 CONSOLE ON HMC. Z/OS 2.1 AND LATER  */
 //
 /**/  
CONSOLE DEVNUM(HMCS)   /* DEVICE NUMBER   */   
AUTH(MASTER)   /* ALL COMMANDS CAN BE ENETERED*/   
USE(FC)/* FULL CAPABILITY */   
NAME() /* CONSOLE NAME   */   
ROUTCODE(1-10,12)  /* 14=IEFACTRT, 15=TDS999  */   
CON(N) /* NON-CONVERSATIONAL MODE */   
SEG(19)/* NUMBER OF LINES THAT CAN BE DEL */   
DEL(R) /* ROLL*/   
RNUM(39)   /* MAX LINES IN ONE MESSAGE ROLL   */   
RTME(1/4)  /* NUMBER SECONDS BETWEEN MSG ROLL */   
MFORM(J,T,S)   /* MESSAGE DISPLAY INCLUDES JOBNAME*/   
MSCOPE(*ALL)   /* *ALL = DISPLAY ALL MSGS */   
AREA(NONE) /* SIZE OF OUT OF LINE DISPLAY AREA*/   
PFKTAB(PFKMSTR)/* NAME OF PFK TABLE   */   

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Subject: IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

We've discussed on this List configuring no NIP console device and using HMC 
instead. I'm testing that practice for the future by configuring off the two 
chpids that support all MCS/NIP consoles for one LPAR. I have done that in the 
past when actual NIP device(s) would not work. NIP messages showed up on 
Operating System Messages and all was fine.

Now however we are getting no NIP messages at all. Three HMCs each with an 
integrated 3270 at z/OS 2.1. We expected NIP messages on either the 3270 or on 
traditional Op Sys Msg. Nada. Has anyone with a NIPless configuration reached 
2.1? Any special considerations?

.
.
.
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Southern California Edison Company
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SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
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IPLing z/OS 2.1+ with no NIP console

2016-07-25 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson 
We've discussed on this List configuring no NIP console device and using HMC 
instead. I'm testing that practice for the future by configuring off the two 
chpids that support all MCS/NIP consoles for one LPAR. I have done that in the 
past when actual NIP device(s) would not work. NIP messages showed up on 
Operating System Messages and all was fine.

Now however we are getting no NIP messages at all. Three HMCs each with an 
integrated 3270 at z/OS 2.1. We expected NIP messages on either the 3270 or on 
traditional Op Sys Msg. Nada. Has anyone with a NIPless configuration reached 
2.1? Any special considerations?

.
.
.
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Southern California Edison Company
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SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
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Re: codepage restrictions on the system console

2016-07-25 Thread John McKown 
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Janet Graff <
004dc9e91b6d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> I have a theory question rather than a how-to-implement question.
>
> Does anyone know what the codepage restrictions are on the system console?
> Can you have a French console and have messages containing letters with
> french accents?
> What about non-latin codepages?  Can you have a Kanji, Katakana or Urdu
> system console with those non-latin characters?
> How about DBCS?  Can you have Kanji DBCS system messages on the console
> and have them readable?
>

​You talking z/OS? As I recall, the WTO interface in z/OS only allows
"printable" CP-037 characters. ​



>
>
> Thanks!
> Janet
>


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Re: SMP/E packaging question

2016-07-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin 
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 18:38:37 +, Way, Richard wrote:

>Or am I misunderstanding it even more basically, and my example will work, but 
>with FILES(1)? In other words, does the file count specifically exclude the 
>JCLIN? Or does it only exclude the JCLIN when the JCLIN is inline as opposed 
>to coming from a RELFILE?
>
Files() counts all the RELFILEs including JCLIN.  If you code FILES(0) it
causes a syntax error -- you must entirely omit FILES().  (Grrr... Why?
It's a PITA when generating MCS with a program.)

If your PTF contains only JCLIN, APPLY will receive RC4, and as mentioned
earlier, no modules will be relinked.  (Grrr PITA; worth RFE someday.)

Why deliver a PTF in RELFILE format rather than inline?  It proliferates
TLIBs and inflates the catalog.

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codepage restrictions on the system console

2016-07-25 Thread Janet Graff 
I have a theory question rather than a how-to-implement question.

Does anyone know what the codepage restrictions are on the system console?
Can you have a French console and have messages containing letters with french 
accents?
What about non-latin codepages?  Can you have a Kanji, Katakana or Urdu system 
console with those non-latin characters?
How about DBCS?  Can you have Kanji DBCS system messages on the console and 
have them readable?


Thanks!
Janet

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Re: Upcoming Share Conference events in 2017

2016-07-25 Thread Charles Mills 
> Will a car be needed while at Share in Providence?

I have not generally had a car while at SHARE.

Charles

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[Default] On 25 Jul 2016 09:34:31 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
mike.a.sch...@gmail.com (Mike Schwab) wrote:

>Amtrak is $15 to $84 dollars for a 90 minute ride.  51 miles 1 hour to
drive.
>https://www.amtrak.com/home
>
Acela is 35 -38 minutes, Northeast Regional is 40 - 52 minutes Boston South
Station - Providence.  Acela is the extra fare high speed service.  Use the
Silver Line airport bus on the MBTA to South Station taking another 23
minutes or less depending on the terminal.  I would allow 10 - 15 minutes
for the transfer at South Station.  All of the Amtrak trains are reserved
but I have purchased a ticket 15 minutes before train time.  Note that none
of the service is regular interval so you have to know the train times.
There may be airport buses or Super Shuttle type service from Logan to
Providence.  The MBTA trains also from South Station run about every two
hours from 11:05 AM to
11:10 PM (23:10) on Sundays and take 1 hour 5 minutes to 1 hour 10 minutes.
There is Monday thru Friday service MBTA train service to the T F Greene
Airport, the one for Providence.  Will a car be needed while at Share in
Providence?

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Re: Upcoming Share Conference events in 2017

2016-07-25 Thread Clark Morris 
[Default] On 25 Jul 2016 09:34:31 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
mike.a.sch...@gmail.com (Mike Schwab) wrote:

>Amtrak is $15 to $84 dollars for a 90 minute ride.  51 miles 1 hour to drive.
>https://www.amtrak.com/home
>
Acela is 35 -38 minutes, Northeast Regional is 40 - 52 minutes Boston
South Station - Providence.  Acela is the extra fare high speed
service.  Use the Silver Line airport bus on the MBTA to South Station
taking another 23 minutes or less depending on the terminal.  I would
allow 10 - 15 minutes for the transfer at South Station.  All of the
Amtrak trains are reserved but I have purchased a ticket 15 minutes
before train time.  Note that none of the service is regular interval
so you have to know the train times.  There may be airport buses or
Super Shuttle type service from Logan to Providence.  The MBTA trains
also from South Station run about every two hours from 11:05 AM to
11:10 PM (23:10) on Sundays and take 1 hour 5 minutes to 1 hour 10
minutes.  There is Monday thru Friday service MBTA train service to
the T F Greene Airport, the one for Providence.  Will a car be needed
while at Share in Providence?

Clark Morris
>
>On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson
> wrote:
>> Charles's observation about driving from Boston is sounding better and 
>> better.
>>
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> J.O.Skip Robinson
>> Southern California Edison Company
>> Electric Dragon Team Paddler
>> SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
>> 323-715-0595 Mobile
>> 626-302-7535 Office
>> robin...@sce.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
>> Behalf Of Ed Jaffe
>> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 7:34 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: (External):Re: Upcoming Share Conference events in 2017
>>
>> On 7/24/2016 5:58 PM, Edward Finnell wrote:
>>> Checking the Delta reservations from SFO to PVD there's no direct flight.
>>
>> No direct flight from LAX on AA. Gotta fly through PHL, ORD, CLT or DCA.
>>
>> Seems like you and I are in the same boat, Skip... ;)
>>
>> --
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>> 831 Parkview Drive North
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Re: SMP/E packaging question

2016-07-25 Thread Tom Marchant 
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:51:28 -0500, Tom Marchant  
wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 18:36:13 +, Way, Richard wrote:
>
>>I should have mentioned that we have customers run a separate link job anyway 
>>after the RECEIVE/APPLY/ACCEPT.
>
>Why?

What I mean is, do you run an SMP/E LINK LMODS or LINK MODULE command? Or do 
you link edit the modules outside of SMP/E? And in either case, why do you do 
that?

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Re: SMP/E packaging question

2016-07-25 Thread Tom Marchant 
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 18:36:13 +, Way, Richard wrote:

>I should have mentioned that we have customers run a separate link job anyway 
>after the RECEIVE/APPLY/ACCEPT.

Why?

>I thought we could do something like this:  
>
>++PTF(xx) FILES(0) 
>++VER (Z038) FMID()
>++JCLIN   RELFILE(1)

Why do you want to package your PTF in RELFILE format?

There are examples of how to package a PTF with JCLIN in the SMP/E Reference 
under JCLIN. Have you looked at them?

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Re: SMP/E packaging question

2016-07-25 Thread Way, Richard 
Or am I misunderstanding it even more basically, and my example will work, but 
with FILES(1)? In other words, does the file count specifically exclude the 
JCLIN? Or does it only exclude the JCLIN when the JCLIN is inline as opposed to 
coming from a RELFILE?

Sorry for the basic questions.

Rich Way

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Thanks, Bob. I should have mentioned that we have customers run a separate link 
job anyway after the RECEIVE/APPLY/ACCEPT. I think we'd just have to ask them 
to rerun this external link job. This was sounding simple, since I thought we 
could do something like this:  

++PTF(xx) FILES(0) 
++VER (Z038) FMID()
++JCLIN   RELFILE(1)

But is FILES(0) even acceptable if one ONLY wants to change the JCLIN? 
Apparently NOT, according to the reference guide at least (1-).

It sounds like I do have to include something else - even if it's not an object 
module. Dang.

Rich Way

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To get SMP/E to relink the load module, which would be the trigger for adding 
the alias, you would have to provide one or more of the modules (defined by 
++MOD) that are contained in the load module.  

If you update the JCLIN without providing any elements, SMP/E does not relink 
the module at that time, but it does update the definition for the next time 
the load module does need to be relinked.  This information is available in the 
SMP/E Reference Guide under ++JCLIN.

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I need to provide SMP service to an existing released product to fix the binder 
control cards (only) due to some missing load module ALIASes. Can someone 
assist with identifying the steps we'd follow to accomplish this, please? I 
know what changes I want to make to the binder control cards, but I am not 
versed in SMP/E (obviously). I believe we'd just need to update the JCLIN and 
get them to RECEIVE/APPLY/ACCEPT the resultant PTF, but I am unclear on the 
details.

Thanks!

Rich Way
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Re: SMP/E packaging question

2016-07-25 Thread Way, Richard 
Thanks, Bob. I should have mentioned that we have customers run a separate link 
job anyway after the RECEIVE/APPLY/ACCEPT. I think we'd just have to ask them 
to rerun this external link job. This was sounding simple, since I thought we 
could do something like this:  

++PTF(xx) FILES(0) 
++VER (Z038) FMID()
++JCLIN   RELFILE(1)

But is FILES(0) even acceptable if one ONLY wants to change the JCLIN? 
Apparently NOT, according to the reference guide at least (1-).

It sounds like I do have to include something else - even if it's not an object 
module. Dang.

Rich Way

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To get SMP/E to relink the load module, which would be the trigger for adding 
the alias, you would have to provide one or more of the modules (defined by 
++MOD) that are contained in the load module.  

If you update the JCLIN without providing any elements, SMP/E does not relink 
the module at that time, but it does update the definition for the next time 
the load module does need to be relinked.  This information is available in the 
SMP/E Reference Guide under ++JCLIN.

Bob Longabaugh
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Subject: SMP/E packaging question

I need to provide SMP service to an existing released product to fix the binder 
control cards (only) due to some missing load module ALIASes. Can someone 
assist with identifying the steps we'd follow to accomplish this, please? I 
know what changes I want to make to the binder control cards, but I am not 
versed in SMP/E (obviously). I believe we'd just need to update the JCLIN and 
get them to RECEIVE/APPLY/ACCEPT the resultant PTF, but I am unclear on the 
details.

Thanks!

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Re: SMP/E packaging question

2016-07-25 Thread Longabaugh, Robert E 
To get SMP/E to relink the load module, which would be the trigger for adding 
the alias, you would have to provide one or more of the modules (defined by 
++MOD) that are contained in the load module.  

If you update the JCLIN without providing any elements, SMP/E does not relink 
the module at that time, but it does update the definition for the next time 
the load module does need to be relinked.  This information is available in the 
SMP/E Reference Guide under ++JCLIN.

Bob Longabaugh
CA Technologies


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Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 12:49 PM
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Subject: SMP/E packaging question

I need to provide SMP service to an existing released product to fix the binder 
control cards (only) due to some missing load module ALIASes. Can someone 
assist with identifying the steps we'd follow to accomplish this, please? I 
know what changes I want to make to the binder control cards, but I am not 
versed in SMP/E (obviously). I believe we'd just need to update the JCLIN and 
get them to RECEIVE/APPLY/ACCEPT the resultant PTF, but I am unclear on the 
details.

Thanks!

Rich Way
HPE Security - Data Security

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SMP/E packaging question

2016-07-25 Thread Way, Richard 
I need to provide SMP service to an existing released product to fix the binder 
control cards (only) due to some missing load module ALIASes. Can someone 
assist with identifying the steps we'd follow to accomplish this, please? I 
know what changes I want to make to the binder control cards, but I am not 
versed in SMP/E (obviously). I believe we'd just need to update the JCLIN and 
get them to RECEIVE/APPLY/ACCEPT the resultant PTF, but I am unclear on the 
details.

Thanks!

Rich Way
HPE Security - Data Security

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Re: HCD Question

2016-07-25 Thread R.S. 

W dniu 2016-07-25 o 15:29, גדי בן אבי pisze:

Hi,

I would like to merge IOCP statements into an existing IODF.

How do I do this?


Case a) - statements are "compatible" - simply merge text files. This is 
very unlikely.


Case b) - you have to rename chpids, CU's, devices. In that case you 
should interprete statements and rere-enetr it using new numbering 
schema. In other words, there is no simple solution, not requiring man work.


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Writing the Definitive Systems Programmer Resume

2016-07-25 Thread Joe Gallaher 
I would like to invite anyone attending next week's SHARE conference in Atlanta 
to come to my session entitled "Writing the Definitive Systems Programmer 
Resume" (session 19522, Tuesday, August 2, 2016: 12:30 PM-1:30 PM). It is the 
11th time I have given this presentation at SHARE and it contains a lot of 
useful information and samples for the aspiring resume writer. Here is a link 
to my session:

http://s23.a2zinc.net/clients/SHARE/Summer2016/Public/SessionDetails.aspx?FromPage=Sessions.aspx=1499

If you cannot attend, feel free to send me an email (or LinkedIn message) and I 
will send you a link to my PowerPoint slides. 

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Re: Upcoming Share Conference events in 2017

2016-07-25 Thread Charles Mills 
T is as little as 1:29 and $13.50.

Charles

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Amtrak is $15 to $84 dollars for a 90 minute ride.  51 miles 1 hour to drive.
https://www.amtrak.com/home

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Re: Upcoming Share Conference events in 2017

2016-07-25 Thread Charles Mills 
There is also good public transit. I've done it. Kind of a pretty ride. An hour 
and a half. Watch the schedules: less service weekends than weekdays. Don't let 
that get you.

Charles

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Charles's observation about driving from Boston is sounding better and better.

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Re: Upcoming Share Conference events in 2017

2016-07-25 Thread Mike Schwab 
Amtrak is $15 to $84 dollars for a 90 minute ride.  51 miles 1 hour to drive.
https://www.amtrak.com/home


On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson
 wrote:
> Charles's observation about driving from Boston is sounding better and better.
>
> .
> .
> .
> J.O.Skip Robinson
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>
> On 7/24/2016 5:58 PM, Edward Finnell wrote:
>> Checking the Delta reservations from SFO to PVD there's no direct flight.
>
> No direct flight from LAX on AA. Gotta fly through PHL, ORD, CLT or DCA.
>
> Seems like you and I are in the same boat, Skip... ;)
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Re: HCD Question

2016-07-25 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson 
I cannot give a complete answer, but I would think that the first step is to 
convert the IOCP statements into a separate IODF:

+--- Migrate Configuration Data +
|   
 |
|   
 |
| Select one of the following tasks.   |
|   
|
| __  1.  Migrate IOCP/OS data  |
| 2.  *Migrate switch configuration data |
|   
   |
| * = requires TSA I/O Operations   |
|   
   |
|   
   |
|   
  |
+--+

The second step would be to merge the IODFs. For years we maintained two 
separate IODFs for our two data centers. Eventually they were combined (by 
someone else) into one. Worst case would be to manually define the smaller of 
the two into the larger one. I suspect that merging must be a largely manual 
process anyway because HCD (or HCM) would have no way to resolve conflicts.

.
.
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Hi,

I would like to merge IOCP statements into an existing IODF.

How do I do this?

Gadi

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Re: Upcoming Share Conference events in 2017

2016-07-25 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson 
Charles's observation about driving from Boston is sounding better and better.

.
.
.
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On 7/24/2016 5:58 PM, Edward Finnell wrote:
> Checking the Delta reservations from SFO to PVD there's no direct flight.

No direct flight from LAX on AA. Gotta fly through PHL, ORD, CLT or DCA.

Seems like you and I are in the same boat, Skip... ;)

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Re: Upcoming Share Conference events in 2017

2016-07-25 Thread Charles Mills 
ETOPS = Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim

Charles

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The 747 was designed as a cargo plane to compete with supersonic passenger jets 
(Europe, Russian, and American planes were being designed).  It was designed to 
hold 2 cargo containers side by side and to fly at about 575 mph 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747 .
Most other commercial planes fly about 500 mph
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_(aeronautics) .  747s do take extra fuel 
to fly this fast and is one reason why they are fairly limited in market 
penetration.  Long over ocean routes used to be limited to 4 engine planes, but 
2 engine planes are being allowed to fly further and further from the nearest 
airport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS .

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Re: Upcoming Share Conference events in 2017

2016-07-25 Thread Mike Schwab 
The 747 was designed as a cargo plane to compete with supersonic
passenger jets (Europe, Russian, and American planes were being
designed).  It was designed to hold 2 cargo containers side by side
and to fly at about 575 mph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747 .
Most other commercial planes fly about 500 mph
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_(aeronautics) .  747s do take
extra fuel to fly this fast and is one reason why they are fairly
limited in market penetration.  Long over ocean routes used to be
limited to 4 engine planes, but 2 engine planes are being allowed to
fly further and further from the nearest airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS .



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>>
>> A long way to fly in a 737!
>
> Don't all the jets fly at roughly the same speed?  If you are in coach, what
> difference does the size of the cigar tube make?
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Re: 737 ( was RE: Upcoming Share Conference events in 2017)

2016-07-25 Thread Edward Gould 
> On Jul 25, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Charles Mills  wrote:
> 
> Winair? Saba?
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiVM0w9YquQ 
> 
> Charles


This was a top a lava rock that seemed to jut out of the ocean for a good 800 
(or more) feet.

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Re: 737 ( was RE: Upcoming Share Conference events in 2017)

2016-07-25 Thread Charles Mills 
Winair? Saba?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiVM0w9YquQ 

Charles

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> On Jul 24, 2016, at 7:19 PM, Edward Finnell 
> <000248cce9f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> Better avionics, higher altitude. One of my roughest rides was into 
> Denver from Houston on a Delta DC-8.
> The thunder cloud tops were so high we couldn't fly over so the pilot 
> flew around like the ex-fighter pilot he was. It was like a forty 
> thousand foot roller coaster. Lots of flight bags got filled up that night.
> 
> 
I used to fly around the Caribbean back in the 70-80’s quite a bit.
It was not uncommon that they would weigh the passengers (as well as the 
luggage) before take off.
Its been a while but one stop was at a airport that was a top of a mountain 
(yes a real mountain) Both take off and landing was an experience I will never 
try again.
Just can’t remember the island St Nevis??? all I know is that the wouldn’t 
allow us to get out and stretch our legs as we would have to go through 
customs/immigration then.

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HCD Question

2016-07-25 Thread גדי בן אבי 
Hi,

I would like to merge IOCP statements into an existing IODF.

How do I do this?

Gadi



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Re: DEVTYPE INFO=DASD

2016-07-25 Thread Reichman Joseph 
First I want to make clear this posting contains nothing but general code 
(nothing to do with taxpayer code) there isn’t any IRS tax payer info in this 
post



 L 11R?+106 L(30) XC
 0002CFEC.  FFF0 000F F000 01000800  *...00...*  
     *..  *
 TEST

This is where AREA is at so area is at 11R? + 106

00110C 2086 AREA DSXL16 
006

Mapped by the IHADVA macro right ? Am I missing something ?


000 00010  9801+DVAIDASD DSECT  
   @H5A 01-
   
9802+***
   9803+*SECTION FOR INFO=DASD. 
   @H5C
   
9804+***
00 9805+ DS0CL16 INFOLIST 
POINTS TO LIST WITH INFO=DASD@H5C 01-
00 9806+DVAICYL  DSFL4   NUMBER OF 
CYLINDERS, EXCLUDING ALTERNATES @H5A 01-
04 9807+DVAITRK  DSFL4   TRACKS PER 
CYLINDER   @H5A 01-
08 9808+DVAIFLAG  DS   0XL1  FLAGS  
   @LvC 01-
08 9809+DVAIFLAG1 DS   X FLAGS WITH 
PREFERRED SYMBOLS  @H5A 01-
  000809810+DVAECKD1 EQU   X'80' ECKD 
SUPPORTED, ALSO ON FOR VIO DATA SETS @LvC 01-
  000409811+DVALRE1  EQU   X'40' LOCATE RECORD 
EXTENDED IS SUPPORTED   @H4A 01-


00110C 2086 AREA DSXL16


This is the beginning of my program


  F  19+R15  EQU   15
  E  21 XLNK EQU   14
00 90EC D00CC22  STM   R14,R12,12(R13)   SAVE 
CALLER'S REGISTERS
04 0DC0  23  BASR  R12,0 
ESTABLISH ADDRESSABILITY
R:CB  6  24  USING *,R12,R11 BASE 
REGISTER OF EXECUTING PROGRAM
06 41B0 CFFF00FFF25  LAR11,4095(,R12)
0A 41B0 B001126  LAR11,1(,R11)

This is DEVTYPE macro R6 points the DDNAME from SVC 99

0002D2 4160 C5F5005FB   224  LA R6,RETDDN+6 
0
225  DEVTYPE 
(R6),(AREA,L'AREA),INFOLIST=ILIST2 0
0002D6 0700 226+ CNOP  0,4ENSURE 
PARAMETER LIST ALIGNMENT  @L1A 0
0002D8 4D10 C2EE002F4   227+ BAS   1,IHB0032  SKIP OVER 
PARAMETER LIST @02C 0
0002DC 18   228+ DC0F'0',AL1(24)  LENGTH OF 
PARAMETER LIST @02C 0
0002DD 01   229+ DCAL1(1) VERSION 
OF PARAMETER LIST@L1A 0
0002DE 8000 230+ DCX'8000'DD NAME 
LOCATION WAS CODED0
0002E0  231+ DCA(0)   ADDRESS 
OF DD NAME0
0002E4  232+ DCA(0)   RESERVED 
OR UCB LIST LENGTH   0
0002E8 110C 233+ DCA(AREA)ADDRESS 
OF RESULT AREA   @L1A 0
0002EC 0010 234+ DCA(L'AREA)  SIZE OF 
RESULT AREA  @L1A 0

6R? L(8) XC
0002C4DB.  E2E8E2F0 F0F0F0F6*SYS6*  
TEST

This is the list of the DEVTYPE


  000314 07FE 251  BR R14   
  0
 252 ILIST2   DEVTYPE INFO=DASD 
 0
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

DFSORT DYNALLOC/DYNAPCT question

2016-07-25 Thread Vernooij, CP (ITOPT1) - KLM 
Hello DFSORT experts,

The DYNALLOC description says that the default number of SORTWKs is 4 and not 
to specify an unnecessary high number.
The DYNAPCT parameter allocates an extra number of SORTWKs to be used in case 
the DYNALLOC number of SORTWKs appears to be not enough.

I can:

a.   raise the DYNALLOC default to 6 SORTWKs

b.  set the DYNAPCT value to 50
In each case 6 SORTWKs are allocated. What is the difference and what is 
advisable?

Kees.


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